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SpunkySkunk347
22-04-2008, 23:52
This is truly amazing, I was unaware that for $5 I could go to my local k-mart and buy 50mg of the l-isomer of methamphetamine.
Why isn't this more widespread?
Does anyone else use l-methamphetamine?

GenericMind
22-04-2008, 23:54
Because it sucks.

CloudyHazeD
22-04-2008, 23:54
I was always under the impression the L isomer of meth is all but totally useless, as it won't cross the blood brain barrier well enough to get you 'high'.

IAmJacksUserName
23-04-2008, 00:01
Judging by his writing, something must be getting him tweaked.

SpunkySkunk347
23-04-2008, 00:11
Oh god, the smell/taste is getting to me! Is that lavendar?

johanneschimpo
23-04-2008, 00:16
LOL. L-meth is whats in vicks inhalers. It does a great job of clearing your nasal passages, but does not give any drug like effects. Well, besides headaches.
And no, it cannot be used as a precursor to make anything from.

psychedelic nod
23-04-2008, 00:17
^^^ so because it doesnt cross the BBB, and it cant be a precursor for synthesis, its basically useless right?

disasterline
23-04-2008, 00:19
for rec purposes i would say the benz inhaler is much much better. the vicks one has vary little use rec wise

SpunkySkunk347
23-04-2008, 00:21
I'm reading through other people's experiences and it does have some limited recreational value.
What would be the best way to get the l-methamphetamine out of the cotton into a liquid?
Would putting it in any acidic liquid and then filtering out the cotton work? (I.e., orange juice or coffee)

Edit: I have heard of benzedrex inhalers before, are they over-the-counter like l-methamphetamine?

I have done more research now on L-Methamphetamine and now know that it is anywhere from 5-10 times less potent than D-Methamphetamine, and has a much higher affinity for norepinephrine than 5-HT or Dopamine.
So if you like the feeling of a meth-crash minus any possible euphoria then I guess levomethamphetamine is right for you.

Tsukasa
23-04-2008, 00:47
l-methamphetamine is useless. I found it more dysphoric than euphoric.

Benzedrex is what you want which contains hexahydromethamphetamine (propylhexedrine). It's atleast worth a shit. Better than adderall IMO.

johanneschimpo
23-04-2008, 00:55
^^^ so because it doesnt cross the BBB, and it cant be a precursor for synthesis, its basically useless right?

Well it's very useful if you have nasal congestion. Other than that, its useless.

SpunkySkunk347
23-04-2008, 01:41
So if someone were to want to use l-methamphetamine, how could they successfully get it out of the cotton?

Tsukasa
23-04-2008, 01:47
^ Dude, don't be stubborn. Trust me, you do not want to inject that crap, it's effects are actually very unpleasant, and i've done it 3 times as an experiment to be sure something else wasn't involved.

If you want a good otc amphetamine high, return that vicks inhaler and get a benzedrex inhaler. Extraction is simple, just look through the forum and you'll find it.

gethigh
23-04-2008, 02:21
i know this is illegal but im high and i can barely type so i didnt read the post cuz my sight is blurry but would it be possible to convert whatever drug ur talking about intp meth?

zombiesarepeaceful
23-04-2008, 02:35
^No.

And it's not illegal, lmao...but your eyes aren't too blurry to read NO, right? how's this, NO.

Mr Blonde
23-04-2008, 02:52
i know this is illegal but im high and i can barely type so i didnt read the post cuz my sight is blurry but would it be possible to convert whatever drug ur talking about intp meth?


^No.

And it's not illegal, lmao...but your eyes aren't too blurry to read NO, right? how's this, NO.

I don't know about Zombies, but I personally have a magic wand that changes that levo handed molecule into a dextro. Very useful ;)

Even if there was a scientific way to do it, no synth talk is allowed.

SKL
23-04-2008, 02:54
in b4 isomer fairy

johanneschimpo
23-04-2008, 03:18
i know this is illegal but im high and i can barely type so i didnt read the post cuz my sight is blurry but would it be possible to convert whatever drug ur talking about intp meth?

If you had actually read the thread, you would have noticed that within 6 posts I made that entirely clear:


And no, it cannot be used as a precursor to make anything from.

Now some people may say what I'm about to say is harsh coming from a moderator, but its the truth. Perhaps if you actually used the search engine for basic questions, and read the other posts in a thread before asking a stupid (and illegal) question that has already been answered, and didn't start threads asking for advice then ignoring everything everybody says to you... then maybe, just maybe, you wouldn't have to send me PMs all the time asking "why does everybody always pick on me? waaahhhhhh." Get with the program, or GTFO =D

SpunkySkunk347
23-04-2008, 04:18
If only the press were to gain awareness that methamphetamine was being sold at k-mart legally for $5 a hit

The press pretty much shat their pants with the whole pseudoephedrine epidemic a year ago.

Whats even funnier is that they cleverly misspelled Levo-Methamphetamine as "levmetamfetamine" on the package so that it would go under most people's radar screens.

psychedelic nod
23-04-2008, 04:33
^^^^^ ROFL.
wiki says that the company/government intentionally misspelled it to deter people from thinging that it has any recreational value haha metamfentamine sounds very, very stupid.



i think that someone should inform CNN/Fox/NBC/CBS immedietly.

SpunkySkunk347
23-04-2008, 05:50
i think tomorrow im going to take this l-methamphetamine
does anybody see any danger in doing this?
im just going to put the cotton in about a cup of gatorade, shake, then filter it through a coffee filter to get out any cotton, drink, chase down with some soda.

I just want the "been there, done that" aspect, i dont expect any recreational effects.

brutus
23-04-2008, 06:05
Sounds pointless to me.

ebola?
23-04-2008, 08:26
>>
I just want the "been there, done that" aspect, i dont expect any recreational effects.>>

This is a horrid reason to ingest quasi-psychoactive substances.

ebola

Riconoen
23-04-2008, 08:30
The DEA doesn't care becuase you can't make crank with it and has little recreational value. Now if Benzedrex gets as widespread as the tussin it'll be pulled from the shelves in about ten seconds.

johanneschimpo
23-04-2008, 10:44
i think tomorrow im going to take this l-methamphetamine
does anybody see any danger in doing this?
im just going to put the cotton in about a cup of gatorade, shake, then filter it through a coffee filter to get out any cotton, drink, chase down with some soda.

I just want the "been there, done that" aspect, i dont expect any recreational effects.

Have fun feeling like shit. And when you do, please don't make a thread about it. We all told you its an awful idea.

(Now you'll probably make a thread saying it was awesome just to contradict me :p )

ARCHANGEL21
23-04-2008, 10:57
Listen To THE CHIMP!!!!!

NO RECREATIONAL VALUE......

SpunkySkunk347
23-04-2008, 16:15
well, i didnt notice any effects at all really. Except about an hour afterwards my heart was pounding for a good 30 minutes. And the taste wasn't so bad at first but as you keep burping it up it tastes narsty.
I feel burnt out right now.

Tsukasa
23-04-2008, 21:39
^ was it worth it?

gethigh
23-04-2008, 21:47
^No.

And it's not illegal, lmao...but your eyes aren't too blurry to read NO, right? how's this, NO.
well im not high aprrox 5 minutes after i posted that i blacked out

Tsukasa
23-04-2008, 22:49
^ what were you on?

stonedandrolling89
18-07-2008, 05:23
Bad, bad joo-joo.

I tried this once, out of desperation.

Never again.

Tchort
18-07-2008, 06:42
Extracting Levo-Methamphetamine from Vicks and generic brand inhalers can result in a number of charges, ranging from manufacturing of a controlled substance, intent to distribute a controlled substance, possession of a controlled substance, etc. The CSA specifically states that L-Meth is a Schedule II controlled substance, except in the form of the Vicks nasal inhaler, which as a proprietary formula/product can be sold OTC. Once removed from the inhaler, L-Meth is CII, just like D-Meth. There are cases of people being prosecuted for this in the mid-'80s. Copies of case law are strewn throughout the net.

The consensus is that it isn't active. This is only partially true. Inactive in the same doses as Dextro or Racemic Meth. Some say it is 7 to 10 times less potent than D-Meth, so if 50mg D-Meth gets one person high, they'd need 350mg-500mg L-Meth to get high. Some cooks liked to speculate as such online anyway. $5 a pop, maybe 40-70% yield for someone without chemistry experience, you could practically buy a gram of crystal for the cost of enough Vicks to extract and get high on. If you are to believe anonymous polydrug abusers and selfproclaimed kitchen chemists on the internet.

For a long time it was the same story with Benzedrex. Propylhexedrine was a Schedule V substance, except in the form of a Benzedrex inhaler. There are also cases of people being charged with manufacturing/sale/possession of a controlled substance with Propylhexedrine. It was removed from the CSA sometime in the '90s I think.

I like reading the posts here elsewhere where highschool age kids think they discovered Benzedrex, like it's a brand new drug, or a brand new 'thing'. People have been eating/extracting and shooting Propylhexedrine since the Benzedrex inhaler was introduced back in '71. It's just been low key and more or less off the internet until the last year or so. Abuse has always been widespread, I work for a large chain pharmacy, and every quarterly report on shoplifting company wide going back decades has the Benzedrex inhaler being listed as a top 5 most stolen product in every single report.

danalprazolam
18-07-2008, 06:53
Before they put propylhexedrine in it, they used to put d amphetamine. I remember somone telling me about how when they were kids they would always get them. They gradually got worse and worse.

So I wouldn't waste my time sense I have dexedrine but how does propylhexedrine compare?

Tchort
18-07-2008, 06:57
State v. Erban

Erban argued that 1-desoxyephedrine was not controlled by state and federal law and therefore it was not unlawful for him to attempt to manufacture it.

...

If the substance intended to be manufactured was not controlled, it would have had a clear impact on the verdict and conviction would be a serious injustice. If Erban's assertion is correct, then his actions were not criminal. One cannot be convicted of attempt to manufacture a controlled substance if the intended substance is not controlled.

...

To analyze Erban's argument an outline of state and federal drug laws is useful. Section 19-03.1-23(l), N.D.C.C., makes it unlawful to manufacture a "controlled substance," which is defined in Section 19-03.1-01(4), N.D.C.C., as a "drug, substance, or immediate precursor" listed in schedules set out in the Code. "[A]ny material, compound, mixture, or preparation which contains any quantity of" methamphetamine, its salts, isomers, and salts of isomers are listed as Schedule II controlled substances. Section 19-03.1-07(5), N.D.C.C. Thus, according to expert witnesses in this case, 1-desoxyephedrine is an isomer of methamphetamine and is controlled.

Section 19-03.1-02(4), N.D.C.C., however, says:


"If any substance is designated, rescheduled, or deleted as a controlled substance under federal law and notice thereof is given to the [North Dakota controlled substances] board, the board shall similarly control the substance under this chapter after the expiration of thirty days from publication in the federal register of a final order designating a substance as a controlled substance or rescheduling, or deleting a substance, unless within that thirty-day period, the board objects to inclusion, rescheduling, or deletion. In that case, the board shall publish the reasons for objection and afford all interested parties an opportunity to be heard. At the conclusion of the hearing, the board shall publish its decision, which shall be final unless altered by statute. Upon publication of objection to inclusion, rescheduling, or deletion under this chapter by the board, control under this chapter is stayed until the board publishes its decision."
Thus, under certain circumstances, a drug which is deleted from the federal drug schedules will automatically be deleted from the state schedules.

The federal drug statutes similarly set out schedules of controlled substances and grant the Attorney General authority to add, delete, or reschedule drugs based upon statutory criteria. See Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act, 21 U.S.C. 801 et seq. "[A]ny material, compound, mixture, or preparation which contains any quantity of" methamphetamine, its salts, isomers, and salts of isomers are currently listed as Schedule II controlled substances under federal law. 21 C.F.R. 1308.12(d) (1988).

Erban argued that the substance 1-desoxyephedrine was excluded from the federal schedules, and thus from the state schedules, pursuant to the regulation codified at 21 C.F.R. 1308.22 (1988), which excluded from all schedules certain nonnarcotic substances which may be lawfully sold over the counter. Excluded by this listing was the Vicks inhaler containing 1-desoxyephedrine.

Erban argued that it was the substance 1-desoxyephedrine itself which was excluded from the schedules by this regulation, not just the Vicks inhaler which contains a small amount of it. The statutory and regulatory arrangement, however, demonstrates that 21 C.F.R. 1308.22 excluded only the over-the-counter preparation listed, not it's component which is also listed. The clearest indication is separate listings of different over-the-counter preparations, each containing the same controlled substance

...

If the Attorney General intended to exclude all forms of 1-desoxyephedrine from the schedules of controlled substances, he could simply list that substance once, without mentioning each different over-the-counter preparation containing it.

Therefore, we conclude that 1-desoxyephedrine was not deleted from the federal schedules of controlled substances, and it therefore remained controlled under Section 19-03.1-07(5), N.D.C.C.

http://www.court.state.nd.us/court/opinions/870281.htm


Some more on the 7x less potent from BL's memory:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-167754.html


Before they put propylhexedrine in it, they used to put d amphetamine. I remember somone telling me about how when they were kids they would always get them. They gradually got worse and worse.



Benzedrine was Racemic Amphetamine (D,L-Amp).


Amphetamine Kicks
TIME Magazine, circa 1959

Society's troubles with amphetamine go back almost 20 years to a time when the most popular inhaler contained Benzedrine (Smith, Kline, & French Laboratories' trade name for one form of amphetamine). Prison wardens complained that accordion-pleated paper fillers loaded with 250 mg. of amphetamine (15 times the average daily dose a doctor would prescribe for reducing or lethargic patients) were being smuggled to convicts, who chewed them and went on violent rampages. Then S.K.F. chemists found a better decongestant, propylhexedrine (not an amphetamine or a stimulant), to put in inhalers, and changed the name to Benze-drex. The problem died down until five years ago, when St. Louis' Pfeiffer Co. began marketing a 200-mg. inhaler called Valo, once again containing amphetamine. It sold well, and the old problem of misuse soon recurred.

Hypos & Photos. The current Missouri flurry got its impetus two football seasons ago, when eight Kansas City high-school students piled into two jalopies and roared off to see a game in Oklahoma City. Local teen-agers showed them how to extract the amphetamine from a Valo inhaler and inject it with a hypodermic needle. (Oldfashioned ways of getting the kick by chewing the cartridge or drinking beer in which it had been swished around were no longer popular, because Pfeiffer had added a bitter, nauseating chemical.) The venturesome eight had a ball -and spread the craze back home.

Each week, recently, at least ten users of amphetamine for kicks have been questioned at Kansas City police headquarters. Virtually all, says Lieut. John Flavin of the narcotics bureau, have admitted robberies, holdups and muggings, committed while they were hopped up. Adds Flavin: "There are at least 200 known users in the city, and at least twice as many that we don't know about. The men range from 18 up, with most in their early 20s. The women are mainly from 14 to 25. They come from the most expensive neighborhoods and the poorest, and some are in the city's best high schools."

In one case Flavin had the best selfincriminating evidence imaginable. Gary A. Hamilton, 22, ordered tea at a drugstore lunch counter, poured the hot water into an inhaler, and while still in the store went into an automatic photo booth and took six pictures of himself injecting the soup into his arm. Why the pictures? Said Hamilton: to impress his friends, and also to show them the technique. Sentence: 60 days.


http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,894117,00.html

SilverFeniks
01-01-2009, 05:52
I'd never even heard of or seen benzedrex inhalers, but once upon a time I saw the levmethamphetamine inhalers @ a store, and couldn't resist .. I'm no chemistry whiz, but I figured anything containing the full word 'methamphetamine' had to have some effect.

I thought better of eating cotton, so I just swished 2 cottons (100 mg max of the active ingredient) around in some water briefly, and shot it down.

I had about 2 minutes of moderate stomach discomfort (likely from the inactive ingredients), and expected nothing good to come of it ... but I was quite plesantly surprised; I was truly tweaked out for the entire day .. Couldn't feel much dopamine release, but I felt all the normal effects of an amphetamine .. Very speedy with mood & sociability boost, comparable to perhaps 15mg of adderol with no tolerance (and there's no telling how muh of the 100mg made it to my system)

For a street meth user / seasoned junkie, l-meth is surely worthless .. But for the indiscriminate lightweight, I beg to differ with most Bluelighter encounters ..

SilverFeniks
01-01-2009, 06:26
If it was all but totally useless, then that would mean that it is entirely useful.

omg8)

If you're going to get technical, "all but totally useless" = entire spectrum of descriptive possibilities except totally useless ;-)

negrogesic
01-01-2009, 07:42
L-methamphetamine is certainly active, but is not terribly potent and has selectivity ratios that are unfavorable for abuse. Its most potent action is in the release of norepinephrine; if I recall correctly the IC50 is something like ~30nM (I forget the precise number). However, the selectivity ratio of release (NE:DA) is something like 1:14 (or perhaps it was 1:15) which means that l-methamphetamine will make you feel awake and stimulated, but it will not be particularly pleasant. L-meth's affinities for NE/DA/5-HT are actually quite similar to phentermine, only somewhat worse.

Occasionally, some heavy meth abusers prefer d,l-meth because of the stronger rush it provides upon injection. I have heard it referred to as "prop dope", as d,l-methamphetamine is synthesized from phenyl-2-propanone (p2p).

Although still pretty shitty, you'd be better off making some methcathinone (it is quite simple).

muie
01-01-2009, 19:54
Is Benzedrex in Canada OTC as well...simply curious not into speed or stimulants.

johanneschimpo
01-01-2009, 23:35
^ All you gotta do is call up a local pharmacy/drugstore/supermarket/whatever and ask if they carry it.





Listen To THE CHIMP!!!!!
I love this quote. =D

dextroisomer
22-07-2010, 15:55
i think tomorrow im going to take this l-methamphetamine
does anybody see any danger in doing this?
im just going to put the cotton in about a cup of gatorade, shake, then filter it through a coffee filter to get out any cotton, drink, chase down with some soda.

I just want the "been there, done that" aspect, i dont expect any recreational effects.

If you insist, make sure you have some benzos. In case you need to counteract, if any, the unpleasant feelings of having drank 12 cups of freshly brewed coffee...
wishing you the best of luck.
Be safe.

b4rd
22-07-2010, 20:27
Judging by his writing, something must be getting him tweaked.

Lol I would have to agree.

HigherAwareness
16-11-2010, 10:14
i think tomorrow im going to take this l-methamphetamine
does anybody see any danger in doing this?
im just going to put the cotton in about a cup of gatorade, shake, then filter it through a coffee filter to get out any cotton, drink, chase down with some soda.

I just want the "been there, done that" aspect, i dont expect any recreational effects.


Don't do it. I use the walgreens brand inhaler w/ has l metamfetamin in it. I have never opened it but I use it for my allergies. It works well. However no rec value. i already looked it up. It is common knowledge that it won't do anything. I have a benzedrex inhaler and it gives me a little pep when i sniff it but i have yet to open it. Sounds like too many ill effects to me.

pumkin_escobar
16-11-2010, 21:27
everyone who thinks they can get high off of l-meth, they need to FIRST read what an ISOMER actually IS!

DavisK4high247
16-11-2010, 21:36
other than headaches and shaking that all the been there ,done that,you will get from it..Why do you think it is available when many states have a limit on the amount of pseudoephedrine you can buy and in some states it is by prescitption only?!! Because you cannot make d,meth aka crank ,crystal meth ,ICE ,etc.. from the l,meth,unlike with pseudoepedrine...lol..

DavisK4high247
16-11-2010, 21:40
L-methamphetamine is certainly active, but is not terribly potent and has selectivity ratios that are unfavorable for abuse. Its most potent action is in the release of norepinephrine; if I recall correctly the IC50 is something like ~30nM (I forget the precise number). However, the selectivity ratio of release (NE:DA) is something like 1:14 (or perhaps it was 1:15) which means that l-methamphetamine will make you feel awake and stimulated, but it will not be particularly pleasant. L-meth's affinities for NE/DA/5-HT are actually quite similar to phentermine, only somewhat worse.

Occasionally, some heavy meth abusers prefer d,l-meth because of the stronger rush it provides upon injection. I have heard it referred to as "prop dope", as d,l-methamphetamine is synthesized from phenyl-2-propanone (p2p).

Although still pretty shitty, you'd be better off making some methcathinone (it is quite simple).

I have done P2P dope aka d,l meth and the rush was not as intense as good d,meth powder aka Crank ...d,l meth is just meth with trash in it the levo isomer..lol..gimme d,meth or crank ,crystal,etc.. fuck the P2P dope...had that ,had all other kinds of meth ,as in d, meth and prefer shooting d,meth anytime..

Cface
17-11-2010, 02:55
I'm no chemist but i've been wondering why you can't use it to make d-meth. It's impossible to remove the l-isomer and add other one?

And yeah... l-meth is bunk.

Seattle_Stranger
17-11-2010, 03:22
I had the benzedrex inhaler, felt fan-fucking-tastic for a couple hours, then thought I was going to die. Apparently an alien hatched in my stomach and another one in my head. I lied on the floor, with a fan blowing in my face, saying out loud "OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD", considering calling the paramedics before it finally subsided.

I didn't eat the cotton either, I just made 'tea' from it. Once and never again.

iceicebaby
17-11-2010, 06:24
Go get the Benzedrex and use the search for extraction. Don't waste your time on levmetamfetamine (*giggles at that spelling*). And grow up.

sir_thizzalot
17-11-2010, 06:31
Doesn't pretty much anything that raises your heart rate have a chance of making you feel good (used loosely) from some dopamine release? I mean pseudoephedrine doesn't make it to your brain, but I get the slightest light feel and mood lift from it that i'd get from a little amphetamine.

I think it goes, amphetamine (phenethylamine, with one methyl atom added on) and methamphetamine (another methyl on the now amphetamine molecule) directly releases dopamine, while phenethylamine (ephredine is a phenethylamine... i think pseudoephedrine is very similar) doesn't make it to your brain(at least not much at all), but raises your heart rate, which in some people (especially healthy ones I believe) will release a noticeable amount of dopamine.
And l,meth does something very similar to that (what I said about phenethylamine).

My point being, this is retarded, I see no reason why it would be any better than sudafed, and it'd be sad if you're using sudafed to try to truely get high.

Anybody, mind pointing out if anything I just said was wrong and correcting it?

StaySedated
17-11-2010, 19:40
i've tried l-meth. its better than ephedrine, but not as good as amphetamine or prophylhexedrine(benzedrex nasal inhalers). it will stimulate you and give you some euphoria, but the vasoconstriction and other side effects are rather unpleasant.

i'd rate it with(maybe a little lower) oral methylphenidate but with the "overall feeling" more similar to amphetamine.