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NINDY
22-05-2011, 05:29
I have used and loved meth (IV) 3 times now. First time, injected with 0.25 point or so, liked it and pretty much straight away had a point. That was 22/4. Comedown, though mildish, last for several days.

Second time (with lower qulaity shit) was last Friday week IVd a point, come down prett much done by Monday.

Then, because I wanted to try two weeks in a row, last Friday, two hits (again with the better stuff) first a point then another half point about 2 hours later.

Simple question: Am I taking too much? Until the first time I had Ice injected, I had never really been high.

My intention is to gtry a two nighter come the June look wekend and then drop off for only very irregulsar use.

What level of dosage should I be sticking to? My mate who is injecting me is experienced (and addicted to it even though he denies it) can take much more...

I want to try it and have loved it beyond any of my wildest expecations but I do want to be safe and and I do not want to become addicted (already I have seen the carving for the next hit).

Any afvice please please?

Also, how long should the comedown be if I use 2 nights ina row? Are the risks much graeter?

Thansk

BrokedownPalace
22-05-2011, 05:33
This is some pretty basic stuff so I'm gonna go ahead and move it over to Basic Drug Discussion for ya.

*wooosh>>>>>>>BDD

Captain.Heroin
22-05-2011, 05:34
*whoooosh*

I would suggest trying 0.1g not 0.25g; that is quite a bit. You might experience some headache, restlessness, insomnia, etc. at such a high dosage.

NINDY
22-05-2011, 05:38
Thanks I thought a point was 0.1g...so I sounds like I have not gone too far.

Happ yot be whoosed!

Sweet P
22-05-2011, 09:39
Thanks I thought a point was 0.1g...so I sounds like I have not gone too far.

Yep, a point is 0.1g (one tenth of a gram). Stick to the lowest possible dose. If it's good quality gear, try half a point or even less to begin with, then re-dose if necessary. Injecting meth carries the greatest risk of addiction, so make sure you don't fall into the trap of using regularly. Try to keep it an occasional thing... ideally wait two weeks or more between each session.

SunThatShines
22-05-2011, 20:05
Your pretty much chopping your dick off my trying meth/using meth.

Dont start- It may seem all good now, but it will be your biggest regret ever.

kokaino
22-05-2011, 20:40
I believe the Australian Drug Discussion Forum would be better able to answer your question, so that is where I am sending this thread.

headdah
22-05-2011, 21:05
You IV'd meth as your first time doing meth? wow.

Welcome to the next decade of addiction with our favorite girl TINA :>

and yeah like all other people said, Your dosage is either way too high, or the stuff you are getting is way to cut. u shouldn't need .25 with no tolerance at all to get very very very high.

grugz
23-05-2011, 01:38
Yeh wtf .25 g (2.5points) you should be high as anything. First time I smoked .05(half a point) was up for ages, and smoking is less strong than iv. U either are getting speed or some cut up shit

belarki
23-05-2011, 02:33
Sorry we can't really answer this without knowing the quality/purity of your gear. 0.25g of good shards would be an enormous and potentially dangerous dose for someone with no experience. That said I've had poor quality gear in Brisbane where I'd barely feel 0.25g :/

pisspotnrock
23-05-2011, 09:05
Im positive he/she means 0.25 OF a point.. so a 1/4 point, not 0.25 grams...

Jakeperson
23-05-2011, 10:40
Yeah that's how I read it. In which case, your doses are about right.

Mario_x86_64
23-05-2011, 14:49
Don't inject Methamphetamine, only junkies and people who will sooner or later be junkies IV meth, almost with out exception.

belarki
23-05-2011, 15:51
Im positive he/she means 0.25 OF a point.. so a 1/4 point, not 0.25 grams...

Ooops sorry, my mistake :)

Jakeperson
23-05-2011, 15:54
I actually I IV'd meth once. Won't do it again, smoking is more fun/just as good a high.

I have a pretty addictive personality so I made sure I stayed away. It is possible to do.

pisspotnrock
23-05-2011, 16:21
Don't inject Methamphetamine, only junkies and people who will sooner or later be junkies IV meth, almost with out exception.
haha. yeah right :| 8)

I actually I IV'd meth once. Won't do it again, smoking is more fun/just as good a high.

ehh I disagree, I reckon at the right dose, I.V or a fat tally bomb are the best 'highs' when using methamphetamine..

Jakeperson
23-05-2011, 17:21
I can't do oral anymore, don't get any real euphoria from it.

Twirling the crackie is about the funnest drug taking ritual you can get, for me anyways.

I'm always let down when I eat a heap of pills/tally bomb or whatever and then its over.

pisspotnrock
23-05-2011, 17:34
yeah it usually takes me a good 2 points of quality gear in a tally bomb to get euphoria from it.. gets me goin hard for a good 8 - 10+ hours but and I miss out on alot of sleep lol

now days I also try n stay away from the pipe as much as I can..

pisspotnrock
23-05-2011, 17:43
anyway to the OP, if your just gettin into speed, your better off having no more than half a point of quailty crystal in a night.. stick to that for aslong as you can and try n keep it to no more than once a month/fortnight for aslong as you can to lol


Ooops sorry, my mistake :)
lol I thought he/she ment 0.25g at first glance aswell..

Jakeperson
23-05-2011, 18:14
Also variety helps. I find doing it some where new each time makes it less of a routine you can fall into. Try and make it as difficult as possible to do.

Crankinit
24-05-2011, 04:43
Twirling the crackie is about the funnest drug taking ritual you can get, for me anyways.

Agreed :p I sincerely wish I could dose all of my drugs this way.

pisspotnrock
24-05-2011, 07:02
I find it gets old, real old... not to mention after an hour or two, all you think abouts havin another twirl :p

then before you know it, the weekends over and you have spent half your paycheck on shards :\

Mario_x86_64
24-05-2011, 15:11
Don't inject Methamphetamine, only junkies and people who will sooner or later be junkies IV meth, almost with out exception.


haha. yeah right :| 8)


Depends on what you define as a junkie, you don't have to IV meth everyday to ruin your life. And you may have friends that are addicted to IV methamphetamine and you have little idea about it. Some people manage to hide their addiction quite well considering their drug use.
Maybe you happen to know a whole lot of people who use IV meth and don't abuse it ... would be interesting to know what sort of friends you have.

If you are not using on a regular basis you can still get a great high from using it some other way.
I don't know why you would want to wack something up your arm that could have been quite poorly manufactured, I think you are gambling, although the odds are greatly in your favor you still can lose. If you very knowledgeable on methamphetamine then I guess this may not be a problem.

I've have only met a couple of people that I *think* may have IV'ed meth that weren't drug fucked losers, and even they probably have had meth have a negative impact on their lives.


To quote the OP:

My mate who is injecting me is experienced (and addicted to it even though he denies it)


My advice to anyone with an addictive personality, do not ever even think of IV methamphetamine.

pisspotnrock
24-05-2011, 15:21
IMO anyone with an addictive personally shouldnt touch methamphetamine fullstop...

your post just made you sound like someone who just thinks IV is a dirty way of administration and that nearlly all IV meth users are 'drug fucked losers' :\

what drugs????////
24-05-2011, 17:51
I like smokin pipes o shards i must say, if you can get full-on addicted to it you must be a millionare ! My sat night silly funds are emptly after like half a point lol..

It really is is shit drug though. No matter what form it is in..
Or mabey i just have a shit job, or dealers, or both, ahah.
But I would gladly never touch the shit again, if only MDMA would come back ffs the world was so mcuh better off..
Sorry off topic, umm cant add really - Never tried IV myself, Guess thats why i cliked "Meth - what dose is OK for a newbie?" hehe..
Sounds about as or more unnaffordable than smoking it, really.

drug_mentor
24-05-2011, 18:09
To be honest I think you are getting fucking shit gear, I dont personally inject drugs but I have been using amphetamines for many years, including smoking meth for the last 5, when I buy ice I consider it pretty shit if a point does not last me a number of hours. I have had near pure shit and a point is more than enough to satisfy over a day of being quite high.

I remember seeing someone who supposedly injected a gram of two of 'base' everyday inject like 15-20mg of ice that while good, wasnt particularly great from that source who usually had the kouta, they reckoned that shit was on par with their first ever shot!

If you seriously are shooting points with little to no meth tolerance you are well and truly getting ripped off, especially with todays prices.

Mario_x86_64
27-05-2011, 01:14
IMO anyone with an addictive personally shouldnt touch methamphetamine fullstop...

I agree.
I should have prefixed what I said with "If you are going to use methamphetamine".
Although I know you can easily form an addiction regardless of what method you use.



your post just made you sound like someone who just thinks IV is a dirty way of administration and that nearlly all IV meth users are 'drug fucked losers'

I think it is unnecessary and if you are sticking a needle in your arm you might want to ask yourself where you are in life.

"Almost with out exception", I only say that because that is what I have seen.
A lot of IV meth users are pretty fucked up.

grugz
27-05-2011, 05:13
I couldnt iv anything, hate needles, if its gud shit dun need toworry about route of adminstration

Divine Moments
27-05-2011, 08:00
I couldnt iv anything, hate needles, if its gud shit dun need toworry about route of adminstration

That's a good attitude to have, but you won't find many users who've IV'd that would say the ROA doesn't matter ;)

pisspotnrock
27-05-2011, 08:21
I agree.
I should have prefixed what I said with "If you are going to use methamphetamine".
Although I know you can easily form an addiction regardless of what method you use.




I think it is unnecessary and if you are sticking a needle in your arm you might want to ask yourself where you are in life.

"Almost with out exception", I only say that because that is what I have seen.
A lot of IV meth users are pretty fucked up.

Can you please elaborate a bit more of that one??????

TBH, Ive seen alot more 'fucked up' meth users that are on the pipe rather than the pick...

Through my personal experience, when I was on the pipe, I would go through a half weight (and I shouted cunts) of good gear a weekend (usually thursday or Friday till sunday or monday). Ever since I started I.Vin, I go through no more than 2.5 points threw a weekend and thats only once a fortnight, I no longer feel the need to get on every weekend...

All the pipe did was leave me feenin, literally within two hours of my last smoke, all I would think about is loading up another one 8) When I have a wack, its a good 6 - 8 hours before I feel the need to re-dose and even then, I usually just have some bongs to pick me back up lol

Edit: Sorry if Im comin across as a cunt but your opion is just hell biased and I feel the need to respond..

Crankinit
27-05-2011, 09:10
Can you please elaborate a bit more of that one??????

TBH, Ive seen alot more 'fucked up' meth users that are on the pipe rather than the pick...

Through my personal experience, when I was on the pipe, I would go through a half weight (and I shouted cunts) of good gear a weekend (usually thursday or Friday till sunday or monday). Ever since I started I.Vin, I go through no more than 2.5 points threw a weekend and thats only once a fortnight, I no longer feel the need to get on every weekend...

All the pipe did was leave me feenin, literally within two hours of my last smoke, all I would think about is loading up another one 8) When I have a wack, its a good 6 - 8 hours before I feel the need to re-dose and even then, I usually just have some bongs to pick me back up lol

Edit: Sorry if Im comin across as a cunt but your opion is just hell biased and I feel the need to respond..

To be fair, I can understand what a lot of people have against needles. They come with a whole array of risks that don't apply to any other ROA, and even the most careful user can't avoid these risks entirely. It's more addictive than other ROA's due to the immediate association between administration and the euphoric effect as well as the ability to reach peak plasma levels much faster, it generally comes after the user has graduated from eating/snorting/smoking and last but not least, most people are at least somewhat squeamish when it comes to needles and injection even in a medical setting, let alone when injecting street drugs.

Obviously injecting doesn't automatically entail a more severe level of addiction or health problems, but you can't deny that there's a definite correlation.

pisspotnrock
27-05-2011, 09:36
To be fair, I can understand what a lot of people have against needles. They come with a whole array of risks that don't apply to any other ROA, and even the most careful user can't avoid these risks entirely. It's more addictive than other ROA's due to the immediate association between administration and the euphoric effect as well as the ability to reach peak plasma levels much faster, it generally comes after the user has graduated from eating/snorting/smoking and last but not least, most people are at least somewhat squeamish when it comes to needles and injection even in a medical setting, let alone when injecting street drugs.

Obviously injecting doesn't automatically entail a more severe level of addiction or health problems, but you can't deny that there's a definite correlation.

Hey dont get me wrong, I know and fully understand why people are against needles.. its just when people say pretty much all I.V meths users are drug fuckd losers and Im then asked to have a look at where I am in my life coz I inject, just makes me wanna throw in my two cents 8)

By that logic, smoking it would be equally addictive...

Weird thing is, I used to have a hardcore phobia of needle.. (due to a childhood sporting injury)... fuck, sometimes still when I have to have a blood test done, I need to have numbing cream and cant loook at the nurse stealin my bloodsss... Also took me a while to sum up the courage to register myself (always had it done for me), but as I said.. in all honesty, I personally find the pipe wayyy more fiendish/addictive than the pick..

Btw, I never re-use fits, make sure all filters, spoons, scoops ect are new and sterile and I never have and never will encourage anyone to have a wack :\

symmetry
29-05-2011, 18:37
i don't really get jacking gear over smoking it, i can't imagine it being much better

spacejunk
29-05-2011, 21:25
in my (long abandoned) days of using meth, i found that intravenous use had an interesting effect on the 'addictiveness' of the substance.

yes, dangers and potential for harm are increased, but the compulsiveness of smoking/vapourising is to me, far more fiendishly addictive. it is so compulsive that you are only really satisfied whist you are doing it, in my experience, anyway.

injecting it, on the other hand, does give a certain longevity to the high which enables you to enjoy it without fiending so much for the next hit, like you may if smoking it.

i don't really see the point in articulating distaste for IV users or making judgmental remarks - OP was trying to seek harm minimisation advice, afterall.
each to their own, eh?

headdah
29-05-2011, 21:57
thats what i dont get.

regardless which ROA u take, you are still ingesting the drug.

Just because u pipe or use the needle, doesnt mean u wont be as addicted or more addicted then the other person that does the other.

People should judge people just because they usea diff ROA. hyprocrit muchly. U are still getting high in the end. :)

spacejunk
30-05-2011, 00:06
intravenous drug users are some of the most marginalised people in our society - if a question on bluelight about appropriate dosing inspires judgemental remarks about the ROA, you have to wonder where IV users - or any drug user - can go for unbiased advice on these matters.

this is important stuff. we're talking about people's lives here, and IV users are just like the rest of us, believe it or not.
some people are freaked out by needles, some people aren't.
there is such an amazing wealth of knowledge about taboo things on this forum, it is a shame to see preachy sentiments come in when it comes to this topic. afterall, if someone's already done it a couple of times and digs it, you're hardly in a position to change their mind.
i didn't see what the fuss was all about with meth until i shot it. it's just another part of the drug war propaganda machine - fear and disinformation with little bits of truth thrown in to convince or confuse.

and getting back to the topic, it seems there is a bit of confusion about what dose the OP is actually referring to. fractions of 0.1g or multiple points?
the idea of new users having to take much more than a point would indeed seem either excessive or a very cut product.
the point i would like to reiterate to OP is to stick to the 'irregular use' plan a little more vigilantly.
there is no rush (no pun intended) in getting to know about this kind of stuff, and while it is exciting and hard not to be too eager when playing with a new drug/ROA, regular use and all its consequences (mental/physical health, dependence, financial etc) can catch up on you very quickly.
in your intended moderation - have fun!

pisspotnrock
30-05-2011, 08:13
in my (long abandoned) days of using meth, i found that intravenous use had an interesting effect on the 'addictiveness' of the substance.

yes, dangers and potential for harm are increased, but the compulsiveness of smoking/vapourising is to me, far more fiendishly addictive. it is so compulsive that you are only really satisfied whist you are doing it, in my experience, anyway.

injecting it, on the other hand, does give a certain longevity to the high which enables you to enjoy it without fiending so much for the next hit, like you may if smoking it.

i don't really see the point in articulating distaste for IV users or making judgmental remarks - OP was trying to seek harm minimisation advice, afterall.
each to their own, eh?

Thank you :)

Jakeperson
30-05-2011, 08:34
yes, dangers and potential for harm are increased, but the compulsiveness of smoking/vapourising is to me, far more fiendishly addictive. it is so compulsive that you are only really satisfied whist you are doing it, in my experience, anyway.

This is very true. I was happy to have a shot and go back to partying for hours onwards where as smoking, you'll never get me off the couch lol

Mario_x86_64
01-06-2011, 14:40
but the compulsiveness of smoking/vapourising is to me, far more fiendishly addictive.

I was told by someone who studied psychology at university that smoking meth was the most psychologically addictive.



Can you please elaborate a bit more of that one??????

Maybe when I am sober, I don't think there is much that needs saying. I am sure some people get what I mean.

NINDY
07-06-2011, 16:36
Not sure the second part of my original question was answered...this Friday, I am intending to inject 0.1g of reasonably strong ice and want to try a 2 or 3 day bender (to see what it is like, then drop off for occasional use only - say once a month only., say another 0.1g on Saturday and then see how I feel. Prolly will stop there but might go again Sunday (off work til Wednesday).

Will say 0.2g over 2 days (or 0.3g over 3 days) be too much? Most I have used since starting in April in a night was about 0.125g...

Also, yes I am a he and yes (I hiope this was clearer) never gone over the 0.125 to 0.15g over a half day...

How much higher is the extra risk of going again? While I do want to try the bender thing, I am happy to pass on it if it is too dangerous.

Also, as an aside, until last night, barely thoughtb about using at all...then last night (with long weekend getting closer) dreamed really clearly of injecting ...is this unusual? No cravings for the drug at all really just the needle...

pisspotnrock
07-06-2011, 17:09
TBH, if I ever dreamt of havin a wak, I would probably stay away from the pick as much as possible..

1 point every 24 hours would be enough givin your small experience.. just know when to stop...

Atleast your not cravin the drug :\

spacejunk
07-06-2011, 19:32
this isnt exactly a scientific response, but from what i've observed amongst friends and acquaintances using meth over the years, it would seem to me that it is the extended, multi-day benders that do the most harm.
in my days of using (which were fairly considerable but nowhere near as bad as some) i only got the the third day of abuse on one or two occasions. and while i've heard meth heads say much to the contrary (ben cousins being a very public example), i thought it was horrible.

if you are interested in dabbling with methamphetamine and not affecting your long-term mental health and neurological wellbeing, i would strongly suggest avoiding a deliberate multi-day bender. if it ends up happening, that's cool, but i don't really consider it to be the next thing to try, the next boundary to push.
i'm not one to lecture, but in the harm minimisation context - it pays to respect your body, man! :)

i feel like i emerged from my years of playing with meth pretty much unscathed, unlike a lot of my friends.
i put this down to the fact that i didn't completely overdo it in the sleep deprivation stakes. sleep is vital to your body's functions, healing and repairing.
stimulants make you feel like you don't need sleep (and prevent you from getting it) but they don't stop you from needing sleep.

as i said, this isn't a scientific response, just what i have felt and observed.

you seem to be doing this with your eyes open and with full attention to inherent risks...
it doesn't seem worth it to me.
the high is better when you're fresh, and the longer you go, the more you wear yourself out and take more from your body than it has to give you. when you've been up for a night or two, you get frazzled, scattered, and you need to keep re-dosing in order to focus and function.
this might be part of the cycle of methamphetamine use for some folks, but i get bored spending hours compulsively doing repetitive tasks with all that fucked-up neurotic energy, waiting to come down or have another hit.
all-nighters are par for the course, but multi-nighters are where you start slipping into 'abuse' territory IMO.

also, i don't think dreaming about drugs is necessarily unusual or a problem.
i dream about drugs all the time, but this doesn't mean they are central to my thoughts or that i am some kind of dope fiend (*ahem*)
it's certainly a stretch to say that if you're dreaming about having a shot, that you're doomed to become a homeless junkie or something. the subconscious can draw on any number of things when you are dreaming.
i bet footy jocks dream about rolling around in the mud with men in little shorts - it doesn't mean they're homosexual. it just means they think about football enough for it to enter their dreams.

DavisK4high247
08-06-2011, 14:39
Damn, Here in The US, I first did meth at age 18 in 1995, and first injected it in ealry 2006, and we had very pure meth, as the guys I was doing it with were making it, as were many others in my area at the time. I first injected a 1/4 gram aka. .25 g, and have inkected as much as a 1/2 gram of pure Ice at one time, this being said , I have also smoked a lot of meth as well ,and I prefered a nice .25 (1/4 gram injection) of very pure ICE,and the joined the rest of the people who were smoking it, we could sit and smoke several grams over the course of 16 hours or so, although that was with a roomfull of people, with another dozen or so stopping by to buy some ICe from my friend, who sold anywhere from a 1/4 gram min. to an Ounce at a time. Smoking was more of a casual party type thing, while injecting was reserved for me and my friend and one or two other "old school tweekers" who had been doing meth for 10+ years. I quit using meth totally though about 3 years or so ago, had a serious cocaine injecting habit, 3 grams of very pure coke per 12 hours or more. Also had a long term addcition to heroin powder, snorted it as well as IV use. Quit injecting heroin about 8 years ago, and did not use it for a year or so and went back to snorting the good to "fire" colombian #4 powder heroin, on a more occasional basis. I think since drugs are so much cheaper in the US for high purity product, it's easier to get addicted and keep it semi- secret for a long time. I never had to steal or pay the super costly prices you people in Australia do, or I could have never afforded such habits they way I did here in the US..
IV use of meth has led many of my friends to jail, and death , not from OD, but from car, motorcycle wrecks, and suicide as well as murder. I cannot judge and do not judge anyone for IV or smoking or however they choose to get high, but be very careful with the needle with meth, it is very seductive and a much more intense high injected. Smoking meth seems to be a Obsession though with many as well. Anyway just be aware that using the needle for any drug, be it meth,cocaine, or heroin has a certain "high" in the ritaul of preparing the shot after a while, the needle becomes like a drug or high in itself, so just use clean needles, be sure and wipe the area you are injecting with an alcohol wipe or something to clean the skin, hepatitis can live on the human skin and not effect you, until you inject through the skin without washing it off with alcohol first, putting the hepatitis directly into the bloodstream via the tip of the needle. This is fairly rare though, but it's one of the reasons the hospitals all sterilize an IM or IV injection site prior to the injection, to prevent infection from any germs that may be on the skin..

ashakilee
10-06-2011, 22:08
hi,
i'm new to meth, and like it.

it was LSD before, but meth is my 'new thing' i guess.

I'm cruising at a point, once a week on friday night or saturday night.
Is that a lot?

The risk of becoming incapacitated through addiction is my biggest fear.

blah_blah1991
11-06-2011, 18:02
drug_mentor, 0.1g isn't that much to bang, as in when I do that amount I run around talking heaps fast for about 2 hours then can dance for 8 easily and will find it hard to sleep the next day but its not to strong, wouldn't go higher then that though.

To the other people I would agree, smoking ICE is more addictive and fiendish, when you IV its just once and then you don't really think about it again.

To the OP id say 0.1g on the first night then 0.05g top ups after that should be fine. Make sure you eat something even if its a banana.

revelator
27-06-2011, 05:06
after reading to me i cant belive you can bang a point at a time. thats 100mg do you mean 10mg -25mg i mean smoking 10-30mg can get me spun a point lasting about a day but thats hitting the pipe. i havnt injected but thats even less amount than smoking. well i could never imagine hitting a whole point at once unless i had tolerance or crap gear. i have neither.

pisspotnrock
27-06-2011, 05:40
after reading to me i cant belive you can bang a point at a time. thats 100mg do you mean 10mg -25mg i mean smoking 10-30mg can get me spun a point lasting about a day but thats hitting the pipe. i havnt injected but thats even less amount than smoking. well i could never imagine hitting a whole point at once unless i had tolerance or crap gear. i have neither.

just answered your own question.. 8):p

EDIT: wait, that wasnt a question.. statement? IDK, who cares :p

revelator
27-06-2011, 06:31
lol guess i did. cheers.

pisspotnrock
27-06-2011, 08:02
how often do you use and how long have you been using for? (out of curiosity) 30mg of pure in the pipe wouldnt even have me satisfied.. let alone charging lol

revelator
27-06-2011, 09:43
hi i use like rarely once or twice a year so no telrance yeah 30 mg is def all i need to be spun. i can feel it for hours and hours even at 15mg hit. must be very pure over this side of the planet.