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killarava2day
18-02-2003, 17:01
Police road blitz on ravers nets drugs
By MARIZA FIAMENGO
Sunday, 16 February 2003
"It became very obvious that as we pulled a car in another 20 would be getting past that were probably carrying drugs."
POLICE arrested 37 people for drug offences as they headed to a dance party on the outskirts of Ballarat on Saturday night.
About 25 police officers conducted general car checks and breath tested motorists at a road block on the Western Hwy at Bungaree between 7.30pm and 11.30pm.
Police seized:
132 ecstasy tablets from 11 people
17 quantities of amphetamines of various sizes
24 amounts of cannabis
18 doses of LSD.
All the people charged for drug offences told police they were heading to the Kryal Castle dance party and none were from Ballarat.
Detective Sergeant Gerry Rudkins, of Bacchus Marsh CIU, said more arrests would have been made if more police resources were available.
"I was surprised at how common it was in the cars we were stopping," he said.
"It became very obvious that as we pulled a car in another 20 would be getting past that were probably carrying drugs."
Police stopped 1000 cars for alcohol breath tests and made two arrests of people driving with a blood alcohol reading above .05.
Police conducted full checks on up to 50 cars.
Kryal Castle owner Keith Ryall said he was surprised by the results of the police road block.
Mr Ryall said he saw no open drug taking at the dance party which attracted 3500 people.
"I have no knowledge of nor have I seen anyone popping drugs in the whole eight years the dance parties have been running at Kryal Castle," he said.
He said up to 40 security officers were employed on Saturday night and anyone caught trying to sell drugs would have been handed to police.
The Kryal Castle dance parties have been plagued by complaints relating to noise, the use of illegal fireworks and litter in the past year.
Moorabool Shire Council gave the tourist park one last chance to host an incident-free dance party and placed a range of conditions on Saturday night's event.
These conditions included the creation of noise, traffic and emergency management plans.
Mr Ryall said he was not aware of any complaints from neighbouring residents about noise levels on Saturday night.
Representatives from the Environmental Protection Authority also attended Saturday's event and were satisfied with the noise levels of the dance party, Mr Ryall said.
Ballarat Courier (http://ballarat.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?story_id=209865&class=news)

Pleonastic
18-02-2003, 19:53
132 tablets? Thank god! Now our children are safe!

Jokerswild
19-02-2003, 01:00
Surely those same police resources would have been better utilized outside the First Commercial or Colonist Hotels in Ballarat. I’m sure the return would have been much higher than 2 drink drivers from 1000 stopped???? Hell I bet you probably would have ended up with a shitload more pot and amphetamines too. But I guess cops don’t want to be arresting their mates from down the local, there would be a community revolt, better off arresting and victimizing some out of towners and blaming them for the towns youth issues. Hell lets send TT or ACA down there next time to make an objective expose on the issue.
Yep on my soap box again, and loving it
Cheers
JoKeR

Padawhuan Pinger
19-02-2003, 09:17
what a farking joke
what do 'full' car checks mean??
those poor buggers....
oh and 132 pills? yeah more like 200 we'll just keep a few for....ehhh...'study'
peace
PP

Jokerswild
19-02-2003, 10:11
[quote]Originally posted by Padawhuan Pinger:
132 pills? yeah more like 200 we'll just keep a few for....ehhh...'study'
PP
How very true, how very very true

eddi spgeddi
19-02-2003, 10:21
OMG
very bad news indeed.
possibly the end of the kryal era?

Cowboy Mac
19-02-2003, 11:21
it is well known that this was perhaps the last kryal party as locals have been pushing to get events banned at the venue due to noise, illegal fireworks, litter etc. I think this was a reaction by the police due to the local community opposition to dance events at kyral, and that this will be used as ammunition against future parties.

reapa
19-02-2003, 16:47
Well a freind of a freind got done that night with 100. so that leaves FUCK ALL
so they really didn't do that well just fucking lucky otherwise would of only been 30+

Luven it
19-02-2003, 17:02
Yeah. The filth and there searches. One for the boss one for me, one for boss one for bill. Why at this time of high terrorism would they bother with a few happy go lucky party people.??? They are simply trying to rid people of there party's...

Its Chaos
20-02-2003, 00:35
Random Car search??? wus that? can that be done,or is going to kryle suspicious activity enough?
anyways,what ever the hell you do in Melb/Vic you get POLICED!POLICED!POLICED!POLICED!POLICED!

BigTrancer
20-02-2003, 02:08
^ You're right on that Chaos... I think the hook was that people were ostensibly being 'breath tested'. Those that blew a reading on the PBT would then be classed as 'driving under the influence' and perhaps the police classed THAT as reasonable suspicion of possession?
Anyway at midnight in Ballarat, nobody can hear you scream... they can pretty much do what they want unless you're VERY assertive of your rights, or have a video camera.
BigTrancer :)

Cowboy Mac
20-02-2003, 03:12
as the law stands they can search you and your car if they believe you to be in possession of drugs, its always such a grey issue here as what exactly constitutes a policemans perception of if you have drugs on you? a car full of ravers on the way to ballarat with fat pants might, but then again that could also be considered discrimination, as just because you are going somewhere and perhaps dressed a certain way it is assumed you will be having drugs. my advice is know your rights and put your drugs in your underwear, i doubt they will ask you more than empty your pockets.
[edit:]have a look at those pics, those are your rights! (read below, bt scanned and OCR'ed).
[ 20 February 2003: Message edited by: Cowboy Mac ]

BigTrancer
20-02-2003, 04:15
Thanks for reminding me CowboyMac!! I have one of those cards in my wallet, everyone should...
Quick scan and a bit of an edit... and here we go:



FOR YOUNG PEOPLE IN TROUBLE WITH THE POLICE

... who live, work or study in ...
Fitzroy - Collingwood - Richmond - North Melbourne - East Melbourne - Brunswick - Carlton
Fitzroy Legal Service Inc. -- This project was funded by the Victoria Law Foundation.

ALPHALINE 9419 7427 - EMERGENCY 24 HOURS FREE LEGAL ADVICE
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1. You should give your name and address to police if requested: Police must tell you their reason for questioning you and give their name, rank and place of work if asked by you. If you refuse or give a false name and address you can be charged and fined $500.

2. You do not have to go anywhere with the police unless arrested. The police must tell you "you are under arrest" and why you are under arrest.

3. If arrested you have the right to ring a lawyer: You should ask for this. You also have the right to ring a friend or relative

4. You do not have to answer other police questions: Be calm and polite. There is no such thing as an "off the record" statement. If you have a clear explanation of your innocence it may be advisable to give this although you should speak to a lawyer first. Sometimes you can get into more trouble by answering police questions. To each and every question (other than your name and address) answer "No comment until I get legal advice".

5. If you are under 17 years, the police cannot question you without a parent, guardian or an independent adult present.

6. You 'have to' give your fingerprints if you are 15 years old or over, and the police suspect that you have committed an offence. Police may use reasonable force to take your fingerprints. If you are between 10 and 14 years you "don't have to' give your fingerprints unless both you and a parent/guardian agree, or the police obtain a court order.

7. You have the right to refuse your photograph being taken, or being put in an identification 'line-up'!

8. Police may request that you undergo a forensic procedure: (eg blood sample, taking pubic hair or saliva). Say no to this as the police must get a court order to do so.

9. Police can only search you, or your car, if they reasonably suspect illegal drugs, weapons, stolen goods, or to preserve evidence. Otherwise a search warrant is required.

10. Police must provide an interpreter if they believe that you require one. Alphaline cannot provide this service.

11. If you are hurt see a doctor immediately and ring Alphaline. If you want to complain about your treatment you can report this to the State Ombudsman, the officer in charge of the police station (when leaving or later) or Police Ethical Standards - ring Alphaline for advice.

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Anything that you say to the police can be used against you.
There is no such thing as an off the record statement - don't "chat" to police on the
way to the station!.

If arrested ask what for and tell friends or onlookers to contact a lawyer or a relative about where you have been taken to and why. Phone Alphaline. Give your friends your date of birth and full name.

If questioned you don't have to say anything except your name and address.

You have the right to say "No comment" to all questions except for your name and address.

If injured by the police you may want to report it to the officer in charge of the police station (now or later). See a doctor immediately and talk to a youth worker and lawyer as soon as possible.

Be politely firm about your rights! Do not loose (sic) your cool.

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• Fitzroy Legal Service: (legal information and referral) 9419 3744
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Rockin. BigTrancer :)

Munchee
20-02-2003, 05:46
Still on the slightly_off_topic, but is that information in the FAQ for Aus Drug Discussion? It should be!

BeatBreaker
20-02-2003, 14:06
this is a clear example of what happends when police are not bribed enough by the party organisers. its a shame that the kids have to suffer hey?

Schizo
25-02-2003, 15:02
I think that what people need to remember is that the drugs they are using are illegal. So if and when you get busted, don't whinge about it.
If I got busted, the only thing I'd be doing is kicking myself for not being crafty enough to avoid it.
That is all.

Scrambled_On_Eggs
25-02-2003, 17:05
The same style deal happened in Cairns last year, in march...
It was at a remote location with only one road in, and the police were around a blind corner with sniffer dogs, etc, the whole lot...
Many many many people got busted, many many more were a little too off chops from having to gobble gobble gobble! Lessons for all that nite...
I agree, it is illegal drugs, however in our case they netted no real dealers (and im sure they made it in) just users, with nothing more than a few pills or a quarter of dope...
I think they need to rethink there strategies a little, in the end id say the operation netted no real outcomes, i bet they were really expecting to do a lot better, probably enough drugs for the cairns drug squad to have a nice little party!
It is a crazy game, and they do have every rite to be doing what they do, however i dont like how ravers are singled out, "oh he must have drugs coz hes got fluro pants" style attitude, but i guess thats just a given.
Peaz
[Edit: Venue details removed. BT]
[ 25 February 2003: Message edited by: BigTrancer ]

BigTrancer
26-02-2003, 00:19
Munchee posted: [quote]Still on the slightly_off_topic, but is that information in the FAQ for Aus Drug Discussion? It should be!Good suggestion... consider it done!!
The Alphaline information has been appended to our Main FAQ --> here (http://www.bluelight.ru/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=35&t=000032&p=2#000172) <-- (that thread is our primary information dump, everything you always wanted to know and a billion things more).
BigTrancer :)
PS: The New Bluelight is in no way affiliated with Fitzroy Legal Service, or Alphaline.

Spheroid_C11H15NO2
26-02-2003, 01:20
Good Work and well done Big Trancer, we need to know our rights ! That is a MUST read.

anfalicious
28-02-2003, 13:36
If stopped by a cop and they ask to search the car, are we allowed to ask why they believe we would have something they would want to find in the car?
Like, if they say "cos you've got a garfield sticker on the window" is there any way to avoid the search?
The main reason I ask this is not because I usually have something to hide, but because my brother gets stopped and searched about once a month, and a friend of his had some very extensive damage caused to his car during one search (they cut open the seats).

doodie
28-02-2003, 14:44
Isn't it sad we have to know how to protect ourselves from the people who "Serve and Protect"

mort
28-02-2003, 21:50
[quote]Originally posted by doodie:
Isn't it sad we have to know how to protect ourselves from the people who "Serve and Protect"
Remember, that if you get caught it's because your doing something illegal - and the job of the police is to protect the innocent (which you are no longer part of).
That said, I don't think searching cars travelling to a party (especially using sniffer dogs) is 'reasonable' at all. If I was going to a party, and not taking anything illegal with me, then I would feel invaded and victimized. Even if the majority of people doing what I'm doing (wearing funky clothes and going to a 'Rave') are doing illegal drugs, I don't think that gives the police a right to subject me to that.
I also wonder if a lawyer could sucessfully argue that such a search was unreasonable in the case of those who were caught.

nickthecheese
01-03-2003, 05:44
Does this apply to all states? or is it just VIC specific?
A worthy addition to the FAQ I reckon, maybe a repost in law q&a is a good idea?

harl3quin
01-03-2003, 15:27
I heard from a friend who went that car searches were conducted under the pretense of searching for illegal fireworks (with sniffer dogs..)
the moral of the story..hide your drugs really really well ;)

mort
01-03-2003, 23:47
I'm curious - everything I've ever read or been told tells you that the first thing you should do in these situations is to call a lawyer. So, does everyone on here have a lawyer organised (and their all-hours telephone number handy)?
I know there's groups like the legal aid - but perhaps there are independant lawyers who are 'friendly' to the cause, who would be better in these situations?

Pill_Poppa
02-03-2003, 03:04
This is just great. Next thing will probably be the police and their dog's running around a rave venue sniffing everyone out.

Gobsmacked
02-03-2003, 10:36
read this on a website. what do u think of this peeps? im not certain if it was specific to pot or drugs in general. was in relation to 'ways to avoid dogs being able to sniff u out'
Wrap your stash tightly then put it in another bag with vinegar."
Wear chilli powder or juice (particularly habernero chillies) on your clothes and shoes," it advises.
Put your stash inside a full peanut butter jar."
If in a large group, get everyone to carry peppermint joints. A large number of smell sources can confuse a dog, and cause lots of dud searches

Pill_Poppa
02-03-2003, 10:39
[quote]Originally posted by Gobsmacked:
read this on a website. what do u think of this peeps? im not certain if it was specific to pot or drugs in general. was in relation to 'ways to avoid dogs being able to sniff u out'
Wrap your stash tightly then put it in another bag with vinegar."
Wear chilli powder or juice (particularly habernero chillies) on your clothes and shoes," it advises.
Put your stash inside a full peanut butter jar."
If in a large group, get everyone to carry peppermint joints. A large number of smell sources can confuse a dog, and cause lots of dud searches
Would this just not make us stick out. Just look for the group of people that look like Voodoo Shamen. :)

Gobsmacked
02-03-2003, 10:52
lol. i was thinking there are the more discreet options like i dunno...pack a picnic of smoe sort and make sure u pack the peanut butter with of course ur extras in it. i dunno though. hehe

phase_dancer
03-03-2003, 03:24
Vacuum sealed preserving jars. Use correctly, preheating and handling with disposable gloves. Don't allow contents (presealed in bag etc.) to make ANY contact with the rim, seal or outside of the jar.
Only use jars and seals once for this purpose. But don't throw them out, they're still great for pickles ;)
There's no guarantees this will work, but it's pretty hard to imagine any smells escaping from a negative pressure vessel. Afterall the same process is employed in biohazard labs.

harl3quin
04-03-2003, 05:03
I've read through most of the old threads I could find about sniffer dogs etc, but what I think is lacking that might be useful (both to a lot of people here and maybe the cops too 8( )
is if you are going to a big event, and you know there is gonna be dogs and cops searching people, what are some tips on how to get past them, and hopefully avoid them the rest of the night, after you violated any kind of safety sealing precautions you took initially?
There are gonna be maybe 20,000+ people going to * in melb this weekend, and obviously a lot of them are gonna be on something, and the cops aren't gonna be able to arrest thousands of people..but it would still be good to not be going there with a building sense of anxiety like I am developing after hearing about * 8(
[Edit: Venue details removed in line with Guidelines. BigTrancer]
[ 04 March 2003: Message edited by: BigTrancer ]

anfalicious
04-03-2003, 10:46
Just shaft everything before you go.
Including the nangs. (yes it can be done, ask wazza)

secret squirrel
05-03-2003, 02:14
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mort:
[QB]
Remember, that if you get caught it's because your doing something illegal - and the job of the police is to protect the innocent (which you are no longer part of).
who's side are you on?
we as a drug taking community are all innocent victims of persecution by law makers and enforcers. We hurt no one except maybe ourselves with our extra carricular activities, there should be no such thing as a victimless crime!
what's criminal is that drugs are illegal

anfalicious
05-03-2003, 11:50
errr squirrel, do the police make the laws? No, so therefore, they are just doing their job. Sure some of them may get overzealous, but the guy who thought of the kryal raid probably didnt even attend it.

Hardicus
05-03-2003, 12:00
secret squirrel - grow up!
We live in a country, which has certain guidelines pertaining to what is legal and what is not. The use of illicit substances is *ILLEGAL* and whether we like it or not we are expected to abide by the laws of our country. If we choose to break the laws...obviously we believe the laws to be unjust, but it's not our place (or the place of the police for that matter) to "fight for our right" unless we decide to actually take political action to get the laws changed.
The police are not the *enemy* they are an inconvenience to people who break the law, namely, a large proportion of bluelighters. Treat them with respect and know your rights. And if all else fails, move to scandinavia.

payaya
05-03-2003, 13:43
isnt there like a swipe test they use now, to see if a driver is under the influence?

Hardicus
05-03-2003, 13:54
The mysterious saliva test?

Sketchwreck
19-03-2003, 15:04
I was one of those breath tested i had a full car load of party kids some going to their first ever party we all dropped at the BP few k's before the road block and the fresh meat were sweating like crazy in the back trying to hide a bong without spilling the water yet somehow we didnt seem sus at all ... go figure