View Full Version : Benzos + Barbs = Danger, But How Much?
So, I take alprazolam daily. I have been on about 2 to 3 mg for maybe 6 weeks. Before that I was on average taking 1.5 mg clonazepam for maybe 8 weeks. So I have accumulated some benzo tolerance, not a giant tolerance, but some.
Anyhow, I wanted to know if lowish dose barbs (50 - 100 mg butalbital) would be okay to combine with moderate to higher dose alprazolam (1.5 - 2 mg). I know benzos and barbs combined are a real no-no, but would this combo be very dangerous in nature? I need my Xanax everyday, but wouldn't mind a little fun fucked upness especially since I can't my hands on any opiates yet. :( I've taken 50 mg butalbital on top of my Xanax doses spaced out, but haven't taken a large dose of alprazolam along with 50 - 100 mg of butalbital. Would this combo have me falling down, slurring speech, stuporous? Higher dose benzos I can usually maintain myself enough, but how hard would this combo hit? I don't really mind being obviously impaired, but don't want to be out of control, with complete amnesia either. Let's say I decide to dose high and take 100 mg butalbital with 2 mg alprazolam, would I be able to even stay awake? Would the results be disastrous? Also, which should I dose first, probably the butalbital right?
BTW, I do feel 50 mg butalbital, even when I wasn't taking benzos everyday. I say this because a lot of people say butalbital is a shitty barb.
K'd-OUT-in-AZ
15-02-2011, 01:56
As this is a harm reduction site I would highly advice against that. The LD50 for barbiturates is very low which means it doesn't take much more than the recommended dose to OD and adding a moderately high dose of a benzodiazepine equals danger!
Yes, I am aware. I assume conciousness would be lost before death though, correct?
K'd-OUT-in-AZ
15-02-2011, 02:04
Yes it would. Personally I've been prescribed the two at the same time but it is dangerous. I didn't tell the doctor prescribing it (Butalbital) that I was also on Klonopin. Don't know if I would have gotten it.
Would this this cocktail (2 mg alprazolam, 100 mg butalbital) make it impossible to stay awake? It would preferably be used in the daytime. Would this induce stupor? How much synergism is going to take place?
Psychedelic Jay
15-02-2011, 02:51
Butalbital is just not potent enough to have the standard worry associated with most of the barbs.
Do not expect knockout power, but a smooth cool calming high with a higher sedation than benzos, but way less than more potent barbs.
To a novice 100mg of butalbital and 1.5-2 mg of xanax is fine. This combo is prescribed along with painkillers... For really, really, really brutal headaches....
K'd-OUT-in-AZ
15-02-2011, 02:54
They would have synergy and I guess at those doses it could be alright, I mean I have but I've done very dangerous things. I was prescribed 8mg of Klonopin when I was prescribed it and it didn't do too much but I had massive tolerance. But still not recommended.
This is a tough question to answer because the effects vary a lot from person to person, everyone has a different tolerance. Some people can handle boatloads of CNS depressants and be fine, while other people are very prone to the sedative effects and can have serious consequences such as respiratory depression or worse. Combining the two will certainly create a synergistic effect, the degree depends on your tolerance and body size. I think it'd be better to NOT combine them, and if you so desire a more hypnotic effect than what you're already taking, just take a slightly larger dose than usual of either one by itself.
Not that I recommend the combo, but taking the butalbital along with the xanax is akin to having a bit of alcohol with the xanax. If you drink often you may have a cross tolerance to barbs.
NeighborhoodThreat
15-02-2011, 04:18
I'm with K'ed on this one, better be safe and not combine them.
I took 100mg butalbital and drank and woke up 20 blocks from where I thought I was naked in my shower with the water on cold. Bad times.
Butalbital doesn't have the power of the barbs from the 50s and 60s, but it is still a very slippery slope when combined with other downers.
K'd-OUT-in-AZ
15-02-2011, 04:19
Correct, if you drink you will have a cross tolerance to barbiturates and benzodiazepines as all these CNS depressants act in the same way. So if you are tolerant to one, you will be tolerant to another.
Psychedelic Jay
15-02-2011, 04:40
I'm with K'ed on this one, better be safe and not combine them.
I took 100mg butalbital and drank and woke up 20 blocks from where I thought I was naked in my shower with the water on cold. Bad times.
Butalbital doesn't have the power of the barbs from the 50s and 60s, but it is still a very slippery slope when combined with other downers.
Alcohol was not mentioned, alcohol has a special place in downers, it just causes more of a profound impact of disinhibition...
Okay well, today was the combo. I felt okay as I do have a pretty established benzo tolerance, and have taken butalbital a handful of times since the summer. It was about 9 hours ago, and I had a pretty good time. I took only 50 mg butalbital with 2 mg alprazolam, instead of 100 mg butalbital. I dosed the butalbital 20 minutes before the alprazolam as I wanted them to hit at about the same time. The effects were definite. Markedly increased disinhibition, mood lift, sedation, increased anxiolysis (especially with social anxiety, and obsessive anxiety), slight ataxia, slight amnesia. I found the effects to be most pronounced and enjoyable for maybe the first four hours. The effects of course continued on, and I steel feel pretty calm. It didn't fuck me up as much as I thoght it would, but I don't normally seek that in drugs. This time, however, I did want a strong experience. It was pretty noticeable, but I was pretty much able to keep myself together, well for the most part 8).
Alprazolam isn't euphoric in and of itself, but I haven't decided if butalbital is. Butalbital certainly isn't euphoric like opiates are, but I think it does have a special something to it that benzos lack. It is a fun drug, and I think until now I might have overlooked that some. I know benzos and barbs combined are extremely dangerous, and wouldn't recommend this combo to anyone without serious tolerance, even then it isn't the safest, but for me I don't think it is going to get very dangerous. I want to try this combo again, but am thinking of upping the butalbital dose, and keeping or lowering the alprazolam dose. Would 50 mg butalbital + 2 mg alprazolam be significantly different than 100 mg butalbital + 2 mg alprazolam? I'm really growing fond of butalbital with opiates out of the picture temporarily, so I might do this combo tomorrow or the next day. It produces such delicious dishinbition :D.
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