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shwagg
11-02-2011, 03:10
Just picked up an 8th of shrooms, probably cubies. i want to get like 3 or 4 less intense trips out of them. what is the most effective way to eat mushrooms? the flavor generally doesn't bother me.

shady4091
11-02-2011, 03:33
An eighth simply isn't enough for three or four trips. Even less intense ones. Maybe two trips, but that's it. I usually eat an eighth to myself for a moderate to moderately intense trip.

The most effective way is to just eat them straight up. Chew them up really good and hold them in your mouth for a little bit before swallowing.

shwagg
11-02-2011, 03:45
thanks!
But...
I heard these shrooms were insane, like you munch a gram and you trip balls. i usually eat an 8th, though im not expirenced with just mushrooms. ive had weak/bunk shrooms, and ive hippiefliped, acid is more of my thing.

IamMe90
11-02-2011, 03:53
probably exaggerations. if they're cubes, you're not going to trip balls off of a gram. period.

shady4091
11-02-2011, 03:54
It's true they do very in potency, but I've never had any where one gram would do me in. I live where there's pretty awesome shrooms almost all the time and the best ones I ever had were some kind of gold-caps. Two grams felt about as strong as eighth, and they were raved about the whole time they were around. I've never had what I would call really bad shrooms but I live really close to British Columbia where shrooms grow fantastically. I guess you'll have to just start with a gram then and see what happens. Let me know if you trip like "an eighth worth" off one gram, that would be sweet haha.

I agree as well, acid is where it's at. My favorite.

perKeceT
11-02-2011, 03:57
theyre probably penis envy mushrooms. which are 2-3x as potent as average shroomies. they used to be the only mushrooms around my area, more than a handful of dealers didnt understand what they had and sold them as regular potency mushrooms. good times were had =) 1 gram of penis envy's is roughly equal to 2.5 grams or so of normal mushrooms IMO/E.

dg420
11-02-2011, 04:01
rue extract taken before hand will greatly enhance the experience
read up on maoi saftey first

still though, 4 trips from 1/8 of cubes is unlikely

PsilocybinSoldier
11-02-2011, 04:43
Ive always found the best way to take mushrooms is by tea, Hits quick, and i just dont like eathing over 30-40 dried mushrooms(newfoundland mushrooms). Its a cleaner more intense buzz.

But id say Just eat the eight all at once, youll get more out of it than trying to get 2 or 3 trips...sure you can get "high" 3 times, but there will be hardly no visuals, and it wont be nearly as intense as you would want it to be...just a little high, which is more than a tease than anything.

shady4091
11-02-2011, 05:04
Ive always found the best way to take mushrooms is by tea, Hits quick, and i just dont like eathing over 30-40 dried mushrooms(newfoundland mushrooms). Its a cleaner more intense buzz.

But id say Just eat the eight all at once, youll get more out of it than trying to get 2 or 3 trips...sure you can get "high" 3 times, but there will be hardly no visuals, and it wont be nearly as intense as you would want it to be...just a little high, which is more than a tease than anything.

I agree, I hate it when I don't get enough. It's such a nuisance because I'm not high enough to enjoy the trip at all, but I'm too high to sleep or go about my normal business. Such a piss off.

nopipesdfw
11-02-2011, 05:05
theyre probably penis envy mushrooms. which are 2-3x as potent as average shroomies. they used to be the only mushrooms around my area, more than a handful of dealers didnt understand what they had and sold them as regular potency mushrooms. good times were had =) 1 gram of penis envy's is roughly equal to 2.5 grams or so of normal mushrooms IMO/E.


There is no way they are 2.5 more potent than other cubes, they are still cubes. (I have had them from jar growers multiple times and they were good, but not in that staggering of a proportion of potency.)

moe.ron
11-02-2011, 05:37
you guys are wrong about PE (penis envy) although they are cubes they are deffinitely much more potent and 1 gram will provide your average person with a ++ trip. But any way you look at it they are more potent by weight then B+'s and other strains of cubensis

Not that im saying the OP has PE, or a particulary potent strain, just that they definitely exist

delta_9
11-02-2011, 06:01
Unfortunately there is no way to truly tell how potent mushrooms are. An inconvenience to be certain, and one I've always disliked :\

However, an 8th is sufficient in most cases for 2 ++ trips. You will likely not get significant enough effects if you tried to squeeze 4 separate doses from 3.5g.

I usually opt to eat 3g to start and supplement with .5g at around T+40 but I prefer a stronger trip, and when I'm with others they have there own anyway so I don't feel bad if I don't share. :)


you guys are wrong about PE (penis envy) although they are cubes they are deffinitely much more potent and 1 gram will provide your average person with a ++ trip. But any way you look at it they are more potent by weight then B+'s and other strains of cubensis

Not that im saying the OP has PE, or a particulary potent strain, just that they definitely exist A well known and potent starting spore collection is all well and good, however if the mushrooms are grown improperly they will still be weak.
As with most psychoactive containing organisms, be it cannabis, mushrooms, cacti, or even bufo frogs, the nutrients and the growing conditions these organisms receive will have the final say.

greenmeanies
11-02-2011, 06:23
to the OP.

if you have access to syrian rue (and have read up on it and determined your personal safe dose range), it's a great way to turn a small amount of shrooms into a highly intense experience. but it's not as fun, IMO.

1g of cubes alone, depending on tolerance and personal chemistry, is probably a +1 at best. you might feel something for an hour, and if you take it with the intention of performing tasks that require dexterity, you might get something out of it intellectually. but more than likely it would just be a brief colorful mind-burp that dissipates within a few minutes.

delta_9
11-02-2011, 06:31
^Why? Mushrooms are already active when taken orally, so this is just not necessary. I've never fancied the idea of MAOIs and psychedelics. Things have been known to go wrong on many occasions.
IMO if you're going to use MAOIs with psychedelics use them with something like DMT.

shwagg
11-02-2011, 06:36
Well, OP here. I'm not sure what they are, i said probably cubies because thats very common. i think ill eat the 8th in two parts, as ive had very little luck with mushrooms alone. suprisingly my mushroom hookup is also going to be an acid hookup, so we'll have to see where that goes. Thanks to you all, and ill get back with the half an 8th report. with the 3 to 4 i was looking at more or less enhancing experiences that were already going to be fun and fueled with natural endorphins, just to see what happens. i was going to try to hide that i was on anything with sober kids around nightsledding. =)
as for syian rue, i believe ive read of this, being on erowid all the time, its related to ayusuca right? or it goes with it?

will report back, and seriously thanks much.

delta_9
11-02-2011, 06:44
Well, OP here. I'm not sure what they are, i said probably cubies because thats very common. i think ill eat the 8th in two parts, as ive had very little luck with mushrooms alone. suprisingly my mushroom hookup is also going to be an acid hookup, so we'll have to see where that goes. Thanks to you all, and ill get back with the half an 8th report. with the 3 to 4 i was looking at more or less enhancing experiences that were already going to be fun and fueled with natural endorphins, just to see what happens. i was going to try to hide that i was on anything with sober kids around nightsledding. =)
as for syian rue, i believe ive read of this, being on erowid all the time, its related to ayusuca right? or it goes with it?

will report back, and seriously thanks much.

It is a species of plant in the Nitrariaceae family. It contains βcarboline harmala alkaloids which act as reversible MAOIs, able to potentiate simple amine compounds. Tryptamines and phenethylamines being the most common examples.

It has most certainly been used is ayahuasca preparations, however the b. caapi plant is much more common I believe.

Certain harmala alkaloids have been known to show activity by themselves if I recall. I believe there are a few threads about this here in PD.*

*Edit - Indeed it seems I was right - The Big and Dandy Harmala/ MAOI-alkaloids thread (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=61037&highlight=harmala)

moe.ron
11-02-2011, 06:45
A well known and potent starting spore collection is all well and good, however if the mushrooms are grown improperly they will still be weak.
As with most psychoactive containing organisms, be it cannabis, mushrooms, cacti, or even bufo frogs, the nutrients and the growing conditions these organisms receive will have the final say.

Right but that doesnt really have to do with what I was trying to say. See if Penis Envy Cubensis and B+ Cubensis were both grown in ideal settings the PE would be the considerably more potent of the two. But saying different strains of cubensis cant be more/less potent from one to next is like saying all Cannabis Indicas will be the same... or at least thats the best comparison I can think of atm lol

rocker97x
11-02-2011, 06:46
I would like to vouch for the Penis Envy's also. My supplier introduced me to this variety after trying many others, and I found them incredibly strong. 1.75 was enough for a good +++. 1 gram of them was plenty for a nice little trip, so long as you dont have any tolerance.

delta_9
11-02-2011, 06:52
Right but that doesnt really have to do with what I was trying to say. See if Penis Envy Cubensis and B+ Cubensis were both grown in ideal settings the PE would be the considerably more potent of the two. But saying different strains of cubensis cant be more/less potent from one to next is like saying all Cannabis Indicas will be the same... or at least thats the best comparison I can think of atm lol

Ah it seems I misunderstood what you were saying then. I thought you meant that certain strains of mushrooms are always de facto extremely potent, which is not the case.

rocker97x
11-02-2011, 07:26
I think the penis envys just happen to be premium genetics and so they have a tendency to be dank.

IamMe90
11-02-2011, 07:36
you guys are wrong about PE (penis envy) although they are cubes they are deffinitely much more potent and 1 gram will provide your average person with a ++ trip. But any way you look at it they are more potent by weight then B+'s and other strains of cubensis

Not that im saying the OP has PE, or a particulary potent strain, just that they definitely exist

I wouldn't call a ++ "tripping balls" though dude.

moe.ron
11-02-2011, 07:38
@rocker97x PE's are definitely hybrid cubes... Most people will tell you they were developed by Terence Mckenna, but this about all we know for sure:

"When Shroom pioneer Terrance McKenna first opened his online store, many years ago, the name of the site was Sysygy… it carried one type of un-named cubensis...
The original, or actual name or geographic location origins remain a mystery now, as they did then. But… They are McKenna originals."

IamMe90
11-02-2011, 07:38
^Why? Mushrooms are already active when taken orally, so this is just not necessary. I've never fancied the idea of MAOIs and psychedelics. Things have been known to go wrong on many occasions.
IMO if you're going to use MAOIs with psychedelics use them with something like DMT.

Uh dude, the MAOI + tryptamine combination, particularly MAOI + mushrooms is a highly prized combo by many people. it is supposed to potentiate the psilocyn experience to a very incredible degree for a lot of people. i can see why it would it would be alluring

greenmeanies
11-02-2011, 07:45
i wouldn't call it potentiation.

"psilohuasca" (syrian rue + psilocybe shrooms) is definitely more on the level of ayahuasca and DMT. the experience is only a little bit more visual than normal. the major change is the headspace, emotional intensity, and complete face-shredding power.

psilohuasca is the single most powerful experience i have ever had, and it is NOTHING like a "standard shroom trip"

moe.ron
11-02-2011, 07:47
I wouldn't call a ++ "tripping balls" though dude.

Right. which is why I said ++. All I am saying is that there are different strains of cubensis with different potencies. And for the record I would wager a gram of PE in an indivual who has never tripped on mushrooms before would be more then enough for a first time. Im not pulling this out of my ass there is a lot of info online about PE, but this all irrelevent since its (almost definitely) not the strain the OP has anyways.

delta_9
11-02-2011, 07:52
Uh dude, the MAOI + tryptamine combination, particularly MAOI + mushrooms is a highly prized combo by many people. it is supposed to potentiate the psilocyn experience to a very incredible degree for a lot of people. i can see why it would it would be alluring

Yes I'm well aware of this, and I'm quite familiar with damn near everything 'psychedelic'.

All I was saying is that we already have MAO enzymes so there is no actual need to take an MAOI with an orally active amine.

I didn't say there was no appeal, I said that there was no necessity.

Difference.

IamMe90
11-02-2011, 07:53
well, this thread wasnt about necessity, it was about how to get the most out of an eighth of shrooms.

delta_9
11-02-2011, 07:57
Fair enough. You are correct after all.

However there have already been several "off" topics discussed here (difference in strain potency, best way to consume, etc)

In any event, I'm not interested in starting an argument. I'll kindly take my leave as I've said what I wanted to say in my first few posts.

OP, please be safe, and I very much hope you enjoy your experience. Mushrooms are a truly wonderful tool :D I do hope you write a trip report as I look forward to reading it.

shwagg
12-02-2011, 04:21
If you saw this thread last night and helped me out with any insight or anything, thanks man.

as for that 8th of mushrooms... well if i ate the whole thing i probably would have gone fucking nuts.

i ate maybe a gram and a half at max, and gave one of my best friends roughly a gram or a gram and a half(they were eyeballed doses) and had a hell of a time. one of the best trips ive had to date.

spent most of the night conversing about the universe, and watch world and book world. you know what im talking about.
great time, im obviously still comming down off this thing, and its fantastic. thanks bluelighters. thanks a whole lot.

shady4091
12-02-2011, 04:34
Awesome, good to hear. :) How were the visuals?

shwagg
12-02-2011, 04:48
Pretty solid, classic mushroom wavyness. and what i call 3D vision, which is where everything separates and one part is red, and one part is blue. these i feel like were more of a mind load then a visual load, the whole time i was driving around and after conversation i would say "how the fuck am i flying the space shuttle right now?" And my car is now titled the space shuttle. all in all a great time.

at one point:
Me:"wavy gravy"
C:"i was thinking the exact same thing"

it was his first trip, and these were prime mushrooms for a first trip, they were really solid for at least 5 hours,

im still a little trippy.

Solipsis
12-02-2011, 23:54
I hope you weren't the one behind the wheel because driving while tripping is totally irresponsible!

Anyway I merged your threads together, glad you had a nice trip man. :)

boiledfruit
13-02-2011, 05:36
What I usually do to get the most out of my zooms is grind them to powder and put them into '00' capsules. Pop about 3-6 to get an initial high, and 10+ to start flyin'! It seems to hit quicker but the trip is shortened by about an hour, at least that's what I've noticed. Being in powder seems to make it a lot more potent.

Mountain Magic
13-02-2011, 18:06
lemon juice blew my head off in terms of how quickly and intensely it hits

moe.ron
13-02-2011, 18:25
^i completely forgot about lemon teking. definitely the way to go if you need to make a little mush go a long way... or if you just want to get the most out of yours. Myself, I dont bother with it but its definitely a nifty trick to have up your sleeve

shwagg
13-02-2011, 23:14
Based on what i experienced and i looked at the rest of the bag, there probably is 2 more trips in there. not insane ones, but definitely trips. Id like to learn about lemon teking, sounds like it might be a really good thing to do. tell me more?

webbykevin
13-02-2011, 23:54
try smoking couple of bongs of harmaline seeds, about 1 hour in, you can get seeds from any iranian or middle eastern food store or market, i think they call them hurmane, Terrence McKenna said it was a great way to potentiate low dose mushroom trips.

he called it vegetable TV

MrFaust
14-02-2011, 02:16
theyre probably penis envy mushrooms. which are 2-3x as potent as average shroomies. they used to be the only mushrooms around my area, more than a handful of dealers didnt understand what they had and sold them as regular potency mushrooms. good times were had =) 1 gram of penis envy's is roughly equal to 2.5 grams or so of normal mushrooms IMO/E.

nice speculation but thats a crock of shit, strain doesnt matter nearly as much as quality of the growing environment, proper substrate etc.

moe.ron
14-02-2011, 03:04
^yah but the point is, is that if you took PE and a more common milder strain like B+, and grew them both in the ideal conditions the PE would easily be the more potent of the two.. Idk how you can call common knowledge a "crock of shit" with out even considering for a moment that you might be wrong. Yes, if you grew PE in a shitty enviroment they would turn out shitty, but hopefully people growing drugs know how to do so. fact is the OP very probably doesnt have PE, and yes people will say they have PE or a stronger strain talking out their ass when they really have a common strain like B+, but that doesnt mean the real deal isnt out there, or that there isnt a ton of information varifying this

moe.ron
14-02-2011, 03:21
Based on what i experienced and i looked at the rest of the bag, there probably is 2 more trips in there. not insane ones, but definitely trips. Id like to learn about lemon teking, sounds like it might be a really good thing to do. tell me more?

Basically lemon teking mushrooms is just grinding and chopping up your mushrooms and letting them sit in a glass submerged in lemon juice for like 20 minutes, then you just drink the lemon juice, and you can throw the mushrooms out cause all the the psilocybin and psilocin is now in the lemon juice (but I always eat em anyways just incase ;)). Now what the lemon juice does, and Im forgetting the exact word, is convert all the psilocybin to psilocin while your letting them soak instead of letting you naturally convert the psilocybin to psilocin in your body, so it makes the experience come on quite a bit faster and with a hell of an extra punch, but will also make your trip a bit shorter (not by much though, an hour at tops).

greenmeanies
14-02-2011, 06:48
personally i doubt the lemon actually speeds up the conversion of psilocybin to psilocin-- really all it is is an acidic extraction that also has enzymes that can break open the tough dried mushroom cell walls before you consume.

IamMe90
14-02-2011, 09:58
personally i doubt the lemon actually speeds up the conversion of psilocybin to psilocin-- really all it is is an acidic extraction that also has enzymes that can break open the tough dried mushroom cell walls before you consume.

this goes against everything i've heard about the lemon tek, but i really have no idea. i'd like to hear some other opinions on this from some pharmacologically snazzy people

delta_9
14-02-2011, 12:12
An acid (or base) can definitely be the catalyst for a dephosphorylation reaction.
I've never done this tek myself, and while lemon juice may not be the strongest acid in the world (relative pH ~2.5), this seems entirely plausible to me.

I would personally rather just eat the mushrooms though.

shwagg
15-02-2011, 03:24
Good to know. i also read that it has the consistency and flavor of vomit, any word on that?

delta_9
15-02-2011, 05:30
If by 'more intense', you mean 'faster onset' , then yes this is indeed the case. Psilocybin is a prodrug and needs dephosphorylation in vivo.
However, the actual amount of alkaloids will remain constant.

Tunnelfission
15-02-2011, 06:16
If your brand new to mushrooms I would suggest dosing 0.5 grams the first trip, then a gram the second trip then the remaining 2 grams for the final trip.

I didn something similar my first experience with mushrooms I took a small amount the first day then the next day about 2 grams and the day after about 4.5-5 grams which I felt was the perfect introduction to mushrooms for me personally. you can handle the heavier dose because your tolerance is up by then. but trust me it still gets pretty on top of you.

This strategy with your doses will likely be less intense but a very similar introduction method.

MrFaust
15-02-2011, 20:10
^yah but the point is, is that if you took PE and a more common milder strain like B+, and grew them both in the ideal conditions the PE would easily be the more potent of the two.. Idk how you can call common knowledge a "crock of shit" with out even considering for a moment that you might be wrong. Yes, if you grew PE in a shitty enviroment they would turn out shitty, but hopefully people growing drugs know how to do so. fact is the OP very probably doesnt have PE, and yes people will say they have PE or a stronger strain talking out their ass when they really have a common strain like B+, but that doesnt mean the real deal isnt out there, or that there isnt a ton of information varifying this

First PE my be more potent on average but if you grow any kind of strain well its really not gonna matter nearly as much as everyone makes it out to be. All the companies selling theses spores have just realized that if they slap goofy names on very similar products and tell people varying facts about the "different" strains theyre gonna sell a lot more shit. Its like the whole weed strain craze but worse because there actually are noticable differences in effect with weed whereas with mushrooms there are a few active ingredients with one chemical responsible for the vast majority of effects. The strains might have slight differences if grown perfectly by an experienced person but the vast majority of mushrooms on the street are grown more for quantity instead of quality. I know someone whos been growing B+ for years and half an eighth is better then a lot of bags I've had of shit thats supposed to be more potent. It almost entirely depends on your set up and how much care you give them

Psyke
15-02-2011, 21:56
What I usually do to get the most out of my zooms is grind them to powder and put them into '00' capsules. Pop about 3-6 to get an initial high, and 10+ to start flyin'! It seems to hit quicker

I do this to! Seems to hit much slower IMO, because the gelatin capsules have to break down first.
I find around 8 capsules is a perfect spot to be at.

I like this too because you can keep popping them throughout.
I usually eat like 4, then 10 min later eat 2, then 10 min later eat 2 and then maybe a couple more scattered throughout to make the trip nice and looonnggg.

tBirdee
15-02-2011, 22:13
rue extract taken before hand will greatly enhance the experience
read up on maoi saftey first

still though, 4 trips from 1/8 of cubes is unlikely

this.

if you can get rue seeds just eat like 3 grams around a half hour before you eat the mushies, just make sure you are educated on MAOi's and follow the diet nessesary both the day before and after the trip.

i find the rue adds a very interesting character to the trip, i wish i could elaborate more but ive only done it twice, each time with around a gram and a half of shrooms and 3 grams of rue seeds.

also i just literally dump the rue seeds in my mouth and swallow with water and i find this works fine.

Be safe and happy tripping! <3

We are all ONE
15-02-2011, 22:29
If you want to get the most out of them, eat the entire eighth