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doppelganga196
07-01-2011, 17:40
I think it may have something to do with the pot i've been smoking, but it has occured sober too; my hands too numb to grip, i can type but actual sensation is like pins/needles or goosebumps instead. Rubbing my hand on my jeans is also unusual.

This has rarely happened to me in a decade of marijuana smoking. I can barely pull my trousers up as my fingers cant/wont grip properly. It comes & dissipates.

Anybody had a case of this? I use opiates too so i posted in od but please move to cannabis discussion if appropriate.

p.s anybody think something like a b vitamin injection might help?

Deadhead420
07-01-2011, 18:08
You're an IV drug user. Don't blame the pot.

Don't shoot up vitamin B.

See a doctor if this doesn't improve.

DuckSauce
07-01-2011, 19:57
maybe your hands fell asleep? maybe bad circulation? sounds like a question you should be asking your doctor

debaser
07-01-2011, 20:01
I know with all the medications I take at night (I don't IV btw), sometimes I fall asleep on my hand(s) and they're all numb when I wake up during the night.

I have to shake them for the circulation to recover. Thank god at least I wake up in time. I have to be careful.

hobhead
07-01-2011, 20:04
from my perspective - it sounds as if the ulnar nerve is damaged .
it can take a lot of abuse over a lot of time but the tingling and the failure of muscles in the hand gets progressively worse .

if it persists you will have to have a nerve conductivity test performed . that locates precisely where the nerve or nerves are damaged . surgery to follow .

HdoubleODeezy
07-01-2011, 20:12
i cut my wrists and throat with a serrated knife in june of '07 and needed 21 stitches (7 on each wrist and 7 on my neck) don't flame me about it, i know it is selfish and would be horrible for my kids blah blah ive heard it all a million times since everyone who see's me knows since i have huge scars in all 3 areas.

But i have no feeling in my right pinky finger but i have all movement and can do everything i used to do. It would suck to have that numb dead feeling throughout my whole hand. I don't think you would like it to be permanent.. Deff see a doctor about what's going on with you.

Ascii
07-01-2011, 21:52
Hey Doppelganga, I used to get this exact same thing a while back and I think it is cannabis related. When I was getting this tingling feeling, the only substances I was using were alcohol and cannabis; no history of anything IV/IM. Though I can see why people have made the link from needle use to the nervous system.

I've posted on Cannabis Discussion (about 4 years ago, post has since been purged) about this and nobody could really explain it. It's such a bizarre feeling, I remember getting it first whilst heavily stoned for the first time. One thing I have noticed is that it seems to occur when I've had a really long break from weed and my tolerance is null.

At first I noticed that the only time it would come on was when I would be stoned and just kinda accepted it as an individual effect that I got. However, what concerned me was that it'd come on at random times even if I hadn't smoked weed in days prior. I would just be carrying out day to day activities like shopping and I would get a growing 'fizzing' tingling sensation. I considered at first that it may be could be anxiety related but when it occured I often would be relaxed and comfortable.

The feeling itself is probably best comparable to pins and needles type feeling. Weirdly enough, I find that soft fabrics feel so bizzare but solid metal objects, china or glass feel normal to the touch. Like you say Doppelganga, it is most prevalant when touching soft fabrics like clothing, bed sheets etc.

It's a really odd side effect of cannabis that it really quite undocumented, presumably as it effects such a tiny minority of users. I'm linking an erowid question from another person with the same complaint.

https://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=88

I personally find that cannabis has a strong physical effect on my muscles, I'm not sure if this is the same for you Doppelganga? I get a lot of twitching and weird little spasms. When I've been asleep after being stoned, people have noticed that as I slept, I would twitch my fingers one by one; from little finger to thumb then repeat. 8o

Like I say, I've only noticed this effect when I've taken a really long break from weed and even then it's never as strong as it was when I first started smoking. Hope this helps you!

amapola
07-01-2011, 22:09
I'd say it's more likely to just be a poor circulation issue than nerve damage.

OP do your hands feel cold often as well? Or do they turn blue or white while the tingling is occurring? Next time you get the numbness try doing a capillary refill test on your finger nails and see how it turns out. Also you should check your resting heart rate and blood pressure (doctor would be easiest for that and everything honestly).

Good luck!

doppelganga196
07-01-2011, 22:24
Hey Doppelganga, I used to get this exact same thing a while back and I think it is cannabis related. When I was getting this tingling feeling, the only substances I was using were alcohol and cannabis; no history of anything IV/IM. Though I can see why people have made the link from needle use to the nervous system.

I've posted on Cannabis Discussion (about 4 years ago, post has since been purged) about this and nobody could really explain it. It's such a bizarre feeling, I remember getting it first whilst heavily stoned for the first time. One thing I have noticed is that it seems to occur when I've had a really long break from weed and my tolerance is null.

At first I noticed that the only time it would come on was when I would be stoned and just kinda accepted it as an individual effect that I got. However, what concerned me was that it'd come on at random times even if I hadn't smoked weed in days prior. I would just be carrying out day to day activities like shopping and I would get a growing 'fizzing' tingling sensation. I considered at first that it may be could be anxiety related but when it occured I often would be relaxed and comfortable.

The feeling itself is probably best comparable to pins and needles type feeling. Weirdly enough, I find that soft fabrics feel so bizzare but solid metal objects, china or glass feel normal to the touch. Like you say Doppelganga, it is most prevalant when touching soft fabrics like clothing, bed sheets etc.

It's a really odd side effect of cannabis that it really quite undocumented, presumably as it effects such a tiny minority of users. I'm linking an erowid question from another person with the same complaint.

https://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=88

I personally find that cannabis has a strong physical effect on my muscles, I'm not sure if this is the same for you Doppelganga? I get a lot of twitching and weird little spasms. When I've been asleep after being stoned, people have noticed that as I slept, I would twitch my fingers one by one; from little finger to thumb then repeat. 8o

Like I say, I've only noticed this effect when I've taken a really long break from weed and even then it's never as strong as it was when I first started smoking. Hope this helps you!

Thanks man, sounds like you know exactly what i mean. btw i've never iv'd anything either

squills
07-01-2011, 22:53
I'm no doctor but it sounds to me like you're having bad circulation if you said it happens sober. I would call a doctor if it does not get better

Captain.Heroin
08-01-2011, 09:08
You're an IV drug user. Don't blame the pot.

Don't shoot up vitamin B.

See a doctor if this doesn't improve.

Vitamin B12 in the form of cyanocobalamin is meant to be administered in intramuscular or subcutaneous shots.

artaxerxes
08-01-2011, 09:30
I'd say it's more likely to just be a poor circulation issue than nerve damage.

OP do your hands feel cold often as well? Or do they turn blue or white while the tingling is occurring? Next time you get the numbness try doing a capillary refill test on your finger nails and see how it turns out. Also you should check your resting heart rate and blood pressure (doctor would be easiest for that and everything honestly).

Good luck!

I'm not contradicting the previous post re: cannabis intake, but all of your symptoms correlate with poor circulation. Perhaps due to smoking cigs or smoking weed frequently, ie. all day. Just something to consider.

Do you do intense aerobic exercise? If not, that's a great way to counteract these symptoms even if you keep smoking (if you do).

And just to confirm CaptH's post, B-12 is administered IV or IM. My dad (who has never used an illicit drug and has only drunk in moderation. He's 81) gets his B-12 shots at the hospital every month. Hands are too shaky to self-administer.

A monthly B-12 shot wouldn't be enough to cause the OPs condition anyway.

Captain.Heroin
08-01-2011, 09:52
And just to confirm CaptH's post, B-12 is administered IV or IM. My dad (who has never used an illicit drug and has only drunk in moderation. He's 81) gets his B-12 shots at the hospital every month. Hands are too shaky to self-administer.

A monthly B-12 shot wouldn't be enough to cause the OPs condition anyway.

Are you sure he receives it IV?


Note: Cyanocobalamin should not be administered i.v. http://www.rxmed.com/b.main/b2.pharmaceutical/b2.1.monographs/CPS-%20Monographs/CPS-%20(General%20Monographs-%20R)/RUBRAMIN.html

Thomas29
09-01-2011, 05:36
It could be anything THB good luck though I am experiencing the exact same problem.

Captain.Heroin
09-01-2011, 05:54
For the record, please do not bump your own posts.

I understand your reluctance to get people's feedback, opinions, experiences, etc. but just give it time. :)

Altered Perception
09-01-2011, 11:56
I'm no expert but it sounds like the side effect of inhaling any sort of smoke on a regular basis as the carbon monoxide effects the amount of blood in your oxygen and circulation.

lizcass
09-01-2011, 19:07
i had loss of sensation in a hand for almost a month once. But it has nothing to do with pot and if you think it does and you are a IV user you are retarded. Shit like that starts happening when you start losing circulation due to collapses in veins or inflammation among other things dont blame the pot.

doppelganga196
09-01-2011, 20:17
Mods can this be moved to cannabis discussion please!

ragemaxis
09-01-2011, 21:50
i've had numb hands quite often, mostly my left and lately my right - it worries me a bit as a friend of the family had a series of minor strokes. I have a genetic cholesterol problem that I have fairly well managed but I just try to always have a blood thinner as well as a vasodilator every day. Unfortunately because statins dont work for me, eventually I will have an even larger chunk fly into my brain some day and die on the toilet like all my heroes. However, the numb hands seem to be partly a parietal glitch and partly veins that are constricted in the extremeties because the brain or lungs are demanding too much rich blood. Learning how to do yogic breathing is a must for anyone who does potential OD drugs, or is developing COPD - once you make it a habit and don't shoot drugs without salt added you will always have enough oxygen rich red blood cells. The main thing that ages and kills junkies, especially IV junkies is the fact that normal water destroys red blood cells as well as not getting enough sun in your eyes. 15 minutes wearing UV sunglasses (not the total sun blocker ones they make you use, or staring into a sunny sky for even 15 minutes a day (not AT the sun) will get those cells right loaded up again with b-12, oxygen and iron. I've tried many times to compare a b-12 injection and just eating healthy and getting sun, and the b-12 just made me jittery and then as fast as I got it back to normal. Its a whole downward cycle particularily with amphetamines and a vegetarian or pop and junk food diet because you need sun, you need iron and you really, really need FOOD sources of the amino acid building blocks to rejuvenate the dopamine receptor supplies. I'm sure everyone who has done amphetamines knows that point where it goes from being a pleasurable dopamine experience to being a terrifying norepinephrine fight or flight one, I know too many SWIM's who have very rapidly ended up in an isolation cell or police car after thinking "they" are coming because they tapped their adrenal glands out and their diet of pop and twinkies forced their body to start digesting muscle to try and get amino acids.

doppelganga196
09-01-2011, 22:05
^ Thought that post might be a drunken rant without the paragraphs but it was in fact very apt & enjoyable.

Thank you ragemaxis. I was gonna say welcome to bluelight but i see you've been greenlighting for over 3 years now!

ragemaxis
09-01-2011, 22:14
I am a bit of a savant, and definitely not drunk - i'm 18 months sober right now. Some people can't function with how I write but i'm not exactly a brilliant scholar, so I figure either people read it or not, if they launch into a personal attack at me because I dont write at a grade 3 level, so be it.

ragemaxis
09-01-2011, 22:18
> I'm no expert but it sounds like the side effect of inhaling any sort of smoke on a regular basis > as the carbon monoxide effects the amount of blood in your oxygen and circulation.

I was just in the hospital, I have a partially caved in part of my abdomen and can't even figure out which past sin caused it. It was really enlightening to be hooked up to a blood oxygen meter, I feel like a healthy enough person but I had no idea how low my blood oxygen was when I was just letting my sympathetic nervous system do the breathing. I am probably going to get an oxygen tank soon for at night with a mask since i've been starting to wake up every day feeling like the worst hangover of my life except with no clear cause. An ex of mine also observed I frequently stop breathing for over a minute sometimes at night, and that was before most of the sins happened. Slow, miserable deaths caused by your own stupidity not only scare the shit out of me, but garner very little respect and care from family and professionals.

mikemikemike
10-01-2011, 01:22
Some folks, at the onset of diabetes, get numbness in toes/fingers/feet/hands. That could be a possibility. This same thing used to happen to me when I was a pothead, smoking super 4-6x daily, I don't think it got as bad as yours seems to be though.

Captain.Heroin
10-01-2011, 02:55
Mods can this be moved to cannabis discussion please!

Sure, if that's what you want. No problem.

Mafioso
10-01-2011, 04:04
OP, i don't know if it can be directly attributed to smoking cannabis, but i think the smoke in and of itself may be the cause of the problem. as others have said, smoking anything is going to lower your blood oxygen levels. you said you've been smoking for a decade- it could just be poor circulation caused by inhaling smoke.

i would suggest you take your serious health concerns to a doctor. he might not tell you what you want to hear but hopefully he can tell you what you need to hear. from what i understand poor circulation can be a sign of serious health problems.

ss2brandon
10-01-2011, 04:21
with my constant opiate use, my circulation is no where near as good as it used to be. i can say that is one of the few health issues it has presented and manifested.

jamesmartin
10-01-2011, 04:44
It's the vitamin b dude

Chainer
10-01-2011, 06:28
It's not.

You were better off with the OD group's advice. This is in no way cannabis discussion. Most readers here have no idea how about to get into injection.



I'm no doctor but it sounds to me like you're having bad circulation if you said it happens sober. I would call a doctor if it does not get better


I'm tempted to close this because this is the very best advice given thus far. We are not doctors... exactly the reason you should see one!

doppelganga196
10-01-2011, 18:43
^Dude i never said I was doing any bloody injections! Forget what i said about b vitamins.
This is a bizzare sensation that has occured when high on smoke, a handful (pun) of times in a decade. It doesn't always come on when smoking.

See the post on page 1 from Ascii, he described it with more clarity & obviously felt the same thing, also when high.

This is related to cannabis discussion, after all i'm asking people if they've had this experience when smoking cannabis.

Thanks for being so quick in your temptations to close this 'chainer3k' but i'd like peoples personal views, not a doctor.

Captain.Heroin
10-01-2011, 18:51
I am still experiencing a nerve block so I have no feeling in my entire right arm.

doppelganga196
11-01-2011, 17:30
cmon people some of you veteran pot smokers must have felt like there hands were buzzing before!

Naggers
11-01-2011, 17:47
I had this, exactly as you describe it, about 2 years ago, but for the life of me I can't remember if I was smoking pot at the time (I only smoke occasionally and when I can get it). I had a nerve conduction test which came out normal, they said to try and use the computer less (I was an IT technician at the time), give it a month and see if it sorts itself out. Didn't use the computer less but it did stop completely after a few weeks. Not experienced it since, light cannabis use every few months.

w01fg4ng
11-01-2011, 19:47
I think it may have something to do with the pot i've been smoking, but it has occured sober too; my hands too numb to grip, i can type but actual sensation is like pins/needles or goosebumps instead. Rubbing my hand on my jeans is also unusual.

This has rarely happened to me in a decade of marijuana smoking. I can barely pull my trousers up as my fingers cant/wont grip properly. It comes & dissipates.

Anybody had a case of this? I use opiates too so i posted in od but please move to cannabis discussion if appropriate.

p.s anybody think something like a b vitamin injection might help?
I get this sometimes, but it definitely does not have to do with me smoking cannabis. I have poor blood circulation in my hands, so they numb up real easy in cold weather. I smoke weed everyday, and it does nothing to my condition, so I would say it's something else.

godlovesugly
14-01-2011, 01:06
i clicked on this thread because i can definitely relate. i have the same problem. i was going to ask if you use any other drugs besides weed.

you said you use opiates too. i would say that is probably the cause of it. not the weed.

i started having this problem around the time of my heavy heavy drug use, about 5 years ago. when i was abusing methadone, my hands would become numb, tingly, like they're asleep...it become a real problem and i knew something wasn't right. so i stopped with the methadone. i was taking massive amounts of it...ofcourse i went onto other drugs. but i still have this issue with my hands. never got it checked out by my doctor, but its just my guess and opinion that its from drug use.

doppelganga196
16-01-2011, 16:42
i clicked on this thread because i can definitely relate. i have the same problem. i was going to ask if you use any other drugs besides weed.

you said you use opiates too. i would say that is probably the cause of it. not the weed.

i started having this problem around the time of my heavy heavy drug use, about 5 years ago. when i was abusing methadone, my hands would become numb, tingly, like they're asleep...it become a real problem and i knew something wasn't right. so i stopped with the methadone. i was taking massive amounts of it...ofcourse i went onto other drugs. but i still have this issue with my hands. never got it checked out by my doctor, but its just my guess and opinion that its from drug use.

Thanks man. Thing is, it has occured though use of pot alone. It has never even happened on opium or morphine alone. So although i doubt they exactly help i dont think they hurt either...

doppelganga196
18-11-2011, 03:44
Christ it's back again, like i've had a shot of lidocaine in my fingertips - its proper bloody difficult to get dressed when i'm this ripped!

Kipo
18-11-2011, 09:06
Vitamin B12 in the form of cyanocobalamin is meant to be administered in intramuscular or subcutaneous shots. Lol, the more you know... GI JOE

anywho, I get the same problem when i binge on weed. never on jwh-122 tho.

xstayfadedx
18-11-2011, 11:26
Wow, captainheroin is no longer a moderator...shit I'm slow on these things. Anyways I think Chainer should just close this. We're not doctors and there's no way we can diagnose what may be the cause of your problem. The best answer is go to the doctors and if it ever gets really worse then go to the emergency room. Things like this you shouldn't play around with or spend too much time questioning about it..

doppelganga196
18-11-2011, 11:43
^WTF man why close it!? It's not as bad as i make it out to be & it only happens when smoking Acii - i think his name is, on the 1st page experienced the same phenomenon.

I'm not looking for a diagnosis, just other peoples experiences et cetera. I'm hardly gonna go to the er saying 'i just smoked a few pipes & i'm having a weird tingling numbness in my hands' then wait 6 hours for a doctor to tell me smoking drugs is bad for you!

xstayfadedx
18-11-2011, 11:47
There just really isn't much to say about this issue, you already have an idea on what it is and that is all.... having random posters go oh that happens to me sometimes doesn't really seem like a good reason to keep the thread open is all I'm saying. There just isn't much to discuss on this topic/issue.

Maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm not. Its just we're not doctors... What causes a loss of feeling in one person may not be the explanation for your loss of sensation.

jamesmartin
18-11-2011, 17:44
You're an IV drug user. Don't blame the pot.

Don't shoot up vitamin B.

See a doctor if this doesn't improve.

If this guy is telling the truth about you shooting b vitamins then it's definitely that that's fucking with you .
Too much b vitamins can result in toxicity and fuck up your nerves !
Look it up if you don't believe me .
Shooting b vitamins as well probably makes it alot more stronger as it prolly has a higher bioavailability .

Chainer
18-11-2011, 18:46
I'm going to have to close this instead of what I had planned to do: merge it into our MEGA Idiosyncratic thread. Reason being, this thread is pretty old, and would lose any semblance of post order it had once merged.

I'm of the personal belief that this is not really CD discussion material, but I'm not against the discussion. I ask that you please just move it to the appropriate mega thread.

here is a link (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/559902-MEGA-Idiosyncratic-Unusual-Responses-to-Cannabis).

If I had to take my best educated guess, I'd echo what many here have said: circulation or nerve damage. I have pretty decent nerve damage in my left hand from a fracture in my elbow I never really got "fixed," left me with weakened pinkie - ring finger and pins and needles sensation. Gabapentin helps, so does lyrica, but I mostly use that for nerve damage in my neck.

Good luck

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