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K12
04-01-2011, 19:05
Mods can you do a poll?

Seriously. I don't understand why this leaf gets only a hum drum response on BL. I take Vicodin. I take Kratom. I compare the two. Vicodin gives a great euphoria but Kratom gives you euphoria like a thoroughbread racehorse and somehow makes you feel 6 ft. 4 in. and bulletproof. Vicodin just gives you a happy euphoria while Kratom makes you feel invinceable. I can't understand why anyone would prefer hydrocodone over kratom.

Just my $.02

Psychedelic Jay
04-01-2011, 20:30
Kratom is much more subtle, this makes it more stimulating than a lot of opiates.
Hydrocodone doesn't have a real limit to tolerance, and can be abused much more heavily.

So, to the OP...

...No, it is not.

K12
04-01-2011, 21:16
Kratom is much more subtle, this makes it more stimulating than a lot of opiates.

Kratom is extremely stimulating... more than hydrocodone imo. This is why I think it is better choice than vicodin.

NeighborhoodThreat
05-01-2011, 18:01
I never really found kratom stimulating, just opiate-like, but Psychedelic Jay is right, it's more subtle. I think it varies from person to person. I do enjoy taking a 5mg vicodin and some kratom, however. :)

GoldenLovely
05-01-2011, 18:28
I'm starting to get into Kratom. The first time I tried it it was just ok, because I really didn't know what dose to take, but I gave it another shot and I really like it. But I don't think the europhia is better or stronger than vicodin. I do think Kratom is quite subtle. Nothing subtle about Vicodin at all. With Vicodin or other opiates I feel like I'm in love with the world, well that is when my tolerance isn't shot to hell.
With Kratom I just feel comfortable and content but sometimes, that's all I want...so its all good.

nervousone
05-01-2011, 19:12
different people with different brain chemistry enjoy different things.

[lets be polite]

Different stroke/different folks.

StaySedated
05-01-2011, 20:06
i find hydrocodone euphoria a bit better, kratom is bit more similar(in terms of euphoria) to codeine imo.

bpayne
05-01-2011, 20:14
Kratom is cool and works well for withdrawals, but is NOTHING compared to Hydrocodone, and Honestly I'd rather have Tramadol than Kratom,
so.... NO

amapola
05-01-2011, 20:18
Euphoria is an interesting term.

Hydrocodone is the stronger opioid of the two and gives stronger opioid responses including what I consider euphoria. Mainly joy swelling up inside you and running all over your body. That being said Kratom's euphoria is much more 'empathy' where I 'feel' and 'relate' and am in tune with the world. Plus on lower doses Kratom energizes me so my euphoria and empathy are put to better use.

Glow2
05-01-2011, 20:21
Kratom is cool and works well for withdrawals, but is NOTHING compared to Hydrocodone, and Honestly I'd rather have Tramadol than Kratom,
so.... NO

Sounds like somebody has an opiate tolerance...

StaySedated
05-01-2011, 20:24
Kratom is cool and works well for withdrawals, but is NOTHING compared to Hydrocodone, and Honestly I'd rather have Tramadol than Kratom,
so.... NO

i'd take kratom over tramadol any day.

imo tramadol sucks, the euphoria is weak and the SNRI side effects are annoying.

to each is own i guess.

K12
05-01-2011, 21:35
That being said Kratom's euphoria is much more 'empathy' where I 'feel' and 'relate' and am in tune with the world.

What?! When I take between 1-3 grams of UEI kratom I am so energetic and euphoric I feel like a racehorse. It is the only way I can describe the feeling. No way would I characterize ultimate enhanced indonesian kratom as 'empathetic' lol. I want to take on the world! Not sympathize with someone crying over spilt milk, lol. And the feeling UEI gives is intense! Not subtle at all. It is definitely stronger than Vicodin. I suspect that you guys are just getting crap. UEI is a better choice than Vicodin. Not sure where some of you guys are coming from.

f33lg00d
22-07-2013, 22:40
In my experience a good dose of a kratom extract/enhanced leave for someone with no kratom tolerance can provide a stronger high with a stimulating come up then great nodding full body and head high. Hydrocodone can be more euphoric but it's less broad, narrower. But kratom tolerance goes up very fast and turns the high very mild. After using kratom six days in a row, I can take 5 grams of 15x extract (comparable to 75 grams raw leaf) and just feel a mellow buzz not much stronger then a chamomile and green tea combo.

firahs75
23-07-2013, 15:32
Hydro for the win by a long shot. I do feel euphoria from Kratom, but it is nowhere close to hydro (assuming no tolerance) especially if your hydro is combined with a beer or two. Plus the dose needed to get a good kratom buzz is close to the overdose amount. Kratom overdose sucks ass. Dizziness, headache, tightness in eyes and horrible, horrible nausea.

Lemonopi81
23-07-2013, 15:57
I`m glad i came across this thread, cuz as someone with a high opiate tolerance i was curious of the effects of kratom. In my area, i know it`s sold in the head shop. But it always comes down to me spending my last dime [ :( ] on H, so i have nvr had the chance to compare it to anything i`ve tried. Hopefully, when i have the common sense to stop by there, and save the $ thats needed to buy it, i`ll be able to do my own compare & contrast. I`d sure enjoy some right now, as i`ve been w/d since yesterday a.m. when i woke up. Been taking tramadol and neurontin to fight off the demons. Does anyone else out there smoke cigs and when they take tramadol, it makes them taste like shit?! I dont understand why it happens....i do not enjoy that side effect whatsoever!

RTrain
23-07-2013, 16:09
Kratom can theoretically give more euphoria than heroin, too, if you don't specify what the doses are. I'm sure 5-6 g of good kratom will provide more euphoria than 1 mg of H. Oh and nice work bumping the 2 year old thread

Psychedelic Jay
24-07-2013, 05:02
It is all dependent on tolerance.

If you are tolerant to anything past maximum codeine dosages, kratom is going to be quite cost prohibitive.

Enhanced kratom is nothing more than kratom fortified by more kratom extract. This again is cost prohibitive.

Hydrocodone has kratom beat... It has the qualities most opiate users look for... Potency, quality with no variations, and ok price...

With kratom you are paying premium price for mostly sub-standard products (if you got the moneys go for it)... Kratom is not stored properly most of the times and people do not use it efficiently.

Snake_Eyes
24-07-2013, 05:18
It is all dependent on tolerance.

If you are tolerant to anything past maximum codeine dosages, kratom is going to be quite cost prohibitive.

Enhanced kratom is nothing more than kratom fortified by more kratom extract. This again is cost prohibitive.

Hydrocodone has kratom beat... It has the qualities most opiate users look for... Potency, quality with no variations, and ok price...

With kratom you are paying premium price for mostly sub-standard products (if you got the moneys go for it)... Kratom is not stored properly most of the times and people do not use it efficiently.

PLease explain.

I store my kratom in 4oz mason jars which are kept in a safe. I'm at the point where 2 teaspoons of kratom will give me as good if not better euphoria than 20mg hydro.

Psychedelic Jay
24-07-2013, 06:11
PLease explain.

I store my kratom in 4oz mason jars which are kept in a safe. I'm at the point where 2 teaspoons of kratom will give me as good if not better euphoria than 20mg hydro.

Before it gets to you there is very little climate control on a lot of products... I'm talking about after they harvest the plants...

Good for you using mason jars though.

You are still not very tolerant to opiates at just 20 mg of hydrocodone. And it's a pretty good bet you spent well over 10 times the price on the equipotent amount of kratom.

Blind Melon
24-07-2013, 11:02
Yeah, if 20mg of hydrocodone gets you off you really have no place in this discussion. And P Jay just said, you're likely spending much more on the Kratom.... But whatever works for you man, enjoy your high :-)

WorldWarMe
24-07-2013, 20:38
They're very different types of euphoria in my experience. Hydrocodone is more of an intense, empathetic high. Kratom is kind of the same just less intense and no matter how much Kratom you take you can't reach the levels of a high dose Hydrocodone high.

Lady Codone
24-07-2013, 22:53
Threads like this never go anywhere good.

"___ opiate is better than ___ opiate."

"No it's not!"

"Yes it fuckin' is!"

"I slam 40 bags of heroin every day, and that makes me an expert on opiates. This shit sucks!"

"You're a drug addict so your opinion doesn't count!"

Blah. Everyone reacts different to drugs. High doses of kratom (or low doses of the concentrates) can be as potent and euphoric as hydrocodone or oxy for me. For ME. I also enjoy codeine and tramadol to a lesser extent. Some people are addicted to loperamide. YMMV.

Snake_Eyes
25-07-2013, 00:54
Yeah, if 20mg of hydrocodone gets you off you really have no place in this discussion. And P Jay just said, you're likely spending much more on the Kratom.... But whatever works for you man, enjoy your high :-)

How do you figure? The way I see it I fit in perfectly this discussion, people who don't get euphoria from kratom have no place in this discussion. :) The OP gets euphoria from kratom so obviously his opiate tolerance isn't too high and 20mg hydro doesn't really get me off anymore, I get a very mild body high and that's only if I don't do it more than once every couple weeks. Kratom on the other hand will give me similar effects (sometimes better) doing it twice a week and I can get the magic back by taking a week of so off which is something I can't do with true opiods.

I've been taking hydro/oxycodone at least once a month for a year and a half and I have no idea how much it takes to truly give me opiate bliss. The most I've every tried was 20mg oxy and for whatever reason I didn't get much from it. I take my opiates and kratom with weed so I'm all about the synergy between the two and I try not to chase the high as much as I can which so far I've been pretty successful at doing so.

As for cost...hydrocodone isn't readily available where I live (I can find oxy easier) and dose per dose kratom is 1/5 the cost.

Psychedelic Jay
25-07-2013, 01:29
They way I see it is. Euphoria is strictly attached to tolerance with opiate/opioids.

If you want long term usage Kratom is not a viable means to get high. It is great for withdrawal on the other hand.

Pure cheaper, more potent, more refined opiates are more viable for long term usage.

You will get to the point with kratom that it is very inconsistent, especially with it's cost. Hydrocodone will never have this problem.

Snake_Eyes
25-07-2013, 01:55
I agree that once tolerance gets to the point of needing 8+ grams to get anything other than relief kratom could get quite expensive especially if you're a daily to semi daily user.

EarthBounded
25-07-2013, 05:14
Kratom makes me f'ing crazy Vicodin rules

weekend addiction
25-07-2013, 08:51
Bullshit. Vicodin cough syrup beats the hell out of kratom. And I rather enjoy kratom. Kratom is only useful to deal with opiate addiction or to deal with chronic pain. Its very mild and nothing like a solid dose of hydrocodone.

Username123
25-07-2013, 14:24
Kratom is extremely stimulating... more than hydrocodone imo. This is why I think it is better choice than vicodin.

That's precisely what I dislike about kratom. Only helpful for withdrawal's imo.

pally pete
25-07-2013, 20:06
If you have a large Opiate tolerance then Kratom is pretty useless IME.

RodJonse
26-07-2013, 01:58
Are you fucking shitting me up the motherfucking ass?

I take kratom often, it's great, don't get me wrong - but real opiates are better. Vicodin is a much better high IMO, kratom is like an "until I get more hydros or oxys" sort of thing for me.

INFLUENCER
16-10-2013, 08:41
The problem is most of the people posting here have never used real UEI. They took six capsules of something they bought at their local head shop. 3 grams of quality UEI is very comparable to three Norcs. I personally would choose the 3 g of UEI if I had both sitting in front of me, and many of the people bashing it here probably would as well if they tried the good stuff.

Professer
16-10-2013, 17:35
When I was not dependent and an occasional user... I preferred the effects of my fav kratom 'strain' than pills. But I wasn't aiming for a great nod or anything. Kratom won't get you that.

I'm also a spiritual hippie type that loves medicinal herbs or anything natural and have a slight bias to medicinal herbs. I still actually preferred the subjective effects I got from kratom though.

Ziggy stardust
16-10-2013, 18:17
I'm not sure how Kratom would effect a opiate naive person, but after having a opiate habit Kratom helps greatly with withdrawl and PAWS ..taking the edge off of life without opiates. I wouldn't bother with Kratom if I had opiates. It's similar to taking lopermide in opiate WD. It just takes the edge off...no nodding, not even close.

iameatingjam
09-08-2014, 06:15
I hardly get any euphoria from opiates/opiods, and I've tried a lot of different kinds including codeine, hydro, oxy, dilaudid, tramadol and even heroin, I got mild euphoria off of oxys but dilaudid and heroin I get almost nothing. I mean, I know they're working because I get all the other effects, nausea, itchy, irritable, nodding, it just doesn't feel good. Kratom makes me feel how I always imagined opiates to feel for other people; content and happy, relaxed with a enjoyable body high. I only need 4 grams and I feel great. The only shitty thing is that I have to put up with about an hour with sort of uncomfortable, uneasy feelings before I get the good effects.

Hammilton
12-08-2014, 10:35
3 grams of UEI equal to three Norco? 3 grams Ultra Enhanced Indo equal to 15mg Hydrocodone?

No. No fucking way. I would snort 30-45mg of oxy at once then do whatever I had left for the night a half hour later (I'd usually get two roxi's, blow one or one and a half, and finish the rest a bit later). The next day I'd use UEI, and three grams of that was every bit as good as the roxi's I'd have done the night before.

I liked UEI as much as Oxycodone. Didn't hit as fast orally, of course, but it was powerfully euphoric.

nealcassady
04-09-2014, 11:25
Hammilton is right, 3g of proper UEI is very strong. Almost excessive unless you have been using UEI for a couple years. I did not jump up to 3g of UEI until my 3rd or 4th year of x2/x3 daily use.

1.5g of UEI is comparable in strength to functional doses of most pharmaceutical opiates, without taking tolerance into consideration of course. I've always thought of it in terms of UEI carrying the superman qualities amphetamine alongside the comfy head space traits of hydro or oxy. Enough euphoria that you won't fall asleep, and not too much stimulation that you are jumping out of your skin. Perfect middle ground equals a biological match for a proper habit for someone with a personality like mine. Watch out!

TheLostBoys
04-09-2014, 17:32
IMO/IME a good dose of hydrocodone is more euphoric & better as an opiate for me than oxycodone & definitely kratom......

INFLUENCER
28-05-2015, 08:36
Sorry to bump a year old thread but I had to chime in as well. You guys can't just say "Kratom" as a general substance. That's like saying I bought a car today... did you buy a 1999 Ford escape or did you buy a 2015 Lambo? Plain leaf kratom won't really do dick to anyone with any sort of opiate tolerance. Even most 25X or 50X blends are fairly weak, other than to help with withdrawals. But true UEI, 1250mg/25g is gangster shit. I have a high tolerance, been using UEI for about 7 years now, up to 15 grams a day when it gets bad before I need a spin cycle. But I promise you, guys that pop 3 or 4 norco for a dose, take 3 grams of UEI instead. It is legit as legit gets, I would take it over Norco any day. Just make sure you have legit UEI because I have had bogus shit before. And as anything addiction creeps up fast with it, so just make sure if your taking it daily for a month for any reason, do a 5-7 day taper down and it will make withdrawal bearable.

EDIT: I just realized I posted on this a few years ago also, but I will still leave my new post anyways since it's a little more detailed.

Kawboy
27-03-2017, 20:03
To beat the dead horse a bit more. Kratom is great in all its qualities when compared to hydro you can't find or are sick of taking.

T. Calderone
27-03-2017, 20:20
This would be more of a Drug Culture type thread.