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hooks
03-01-2011, 01:35
OK, I got a strip of Tramadol, 50mg capsules. My question is how many of these would I need to swallow to get a decent buzz? 4, 10, 20? I got a gear habit but cud use them on top of my methadone or whatever, I dunno how good they are...

Chemical Samile
03-01-2011, 01:39
No more than ~300mg as it increase the risk of seizures

slim567
03-01-2011, 01:41
I wouldnt even bother, most folks i know just give them away for free, gave some to my mate, he does the odd codeine CWE, he had 10 and felt fuck all.

Yeah and watch out for that seizure threshold being lowered.

abrad84
03-01-2011, 02:31
If you already have a smack habit and you're on methadone you will be very unlikely to feel anything at all. And as has been mentioned, they lower the seizure threshold so don't take a high dose to try and get a buzz.

Ismene
03-01-2011, 10:58
Hold on a minute kids, this "they lower the seizure threshold" is complete and utter fucking horseshit. That only happens in about 1% of the people who take an absolutely gigantic overdose (700mg+) and who are already vulnerable to seizures. I'm not sure which fuckwit first started spreading this urban myth but lets not spread it anymore. It seems to be the only thing people "know" about tramadol and it's complete bullshit.

If you have a gear habit you arn't going to feel much from tramadol. For most people without any tolerance 150mg will give you an enjoyable, pleasant all day buzz.

Ismene
03-01-2011, 11:10
There's a little rhyme you can tell yourself to remember the rules for taking the tram:

"If you are an epileptic,
To take 700mg of Tramadol
Why, you'd need to be a fuckwit"

slim567
03-01-2011, 11:16
Uhm surely on this website it is sensible to mention that it lowers the seizure threshold? Harm reduction and all that!

And this fella would likely be taking a dose well over 700MG cus he has a tolerance to opiates.

Ismene
03-01-2011, 11:28
Yeah Slim, but it only lowers the threshold in 1% of the people who are ALREADY VULNERABLE TO SEIZURES and who TAKE AN ENORMOUS OVERDOSE. That doesn't mean it lowers the threshold in everyone who takes 150mg.

Obviously taking 700mg of tramadol is fucking stupid.

badandwicked
03-01-2011, 14:17
Hold on a minute kids, this "they lower the seizure threshold" is complete and utter fucking horseshit. That only happens in about 1% of the people who take an absolutely gigantic overdose (700mg+) and who are already vulnerable to seizures. I'm not sure which fuckwit first started spreading this urban myth but lets not spread it anymore. It seems to be the only thing people "know" about tramadol and it's complete bullshit.

If you have a gear habit you arn't going to feel much from tramadol. For most people without any tolerance 150mg will give you an enjoyable, pleasant all day buzz.

^ this.

But OP may be in that 1% so worth mentioning surely? Then at least if he fits he'll know why.

Transform
03-01-2011, 14:18
I wasn't aware that you needed to be already susceptible. One of my friends had his only seizure while using tramadol and caffiene.

4x4ledbury
03-01-2011, 14:42
if you take methadone i read on the net that tramadol will take you into straight withdraws i got some at home but aint done em yet

badandwicked
03-01-2011, 15:00
^ can you remember where you saw that?

parttime crackhead
03-01-2011, 15:12
I don't find that tramadol gives that much of a noticeable "buzz". More just a bit of a mood lift & the odd wee day dream, where you sort of zone out for a bit (that's usually when stoned)

150mg seems a bit low for a recreational dose, that's what I'd normally take in the morning for pain relief, followed by another 100mg 3 or 4 times through the day. Even the doctor suggested taking 100mg at a time 4 times a day, I don't think she was trying to get me wasted.

I've not went over the 150mg at a time, because people on here had me para about this "seizure threshold" thing & I do need to take them a few times a day for pain relief.

slim567
04-01-2011, 00:35
Yeah Ismene thats true, I think it might be perhaps overstated, but maybe cus its a well known that it does affect the seizure threshold, people just say it, just in case.

I know a epileptic and he wasnt allowed to be put on any amount of tramadol, just to be on the safe side, was well controlled 2.

Oh and taking 700MG of tramadol is silly, just do a CWE on some codeine or DHC that be much better! :D

Mongoose
04-01-2011, 00:41
Listen the seizure stuff is marginal I don't ever have em. However o just answer your post with no b.s is 150 mg with NO OPIATE tolerence it worked for me everytime male 187lbs for a month until I used harder drugs.. The seizure stuff..hmmm when I did take it and was going to bed I would have like a almost asleep fucked up twich but it didn't freak me out i just never took more that 300mg but now I'm on subs 24mgs a day if that tells you anything so if no tolerance 150 is good.. Also I noticed if I drank like a beer or two I get nauseous

parttime crackhead
04-01-2011, 00:52
I'm 5'9, 12 stone & 150mg tramadol doesn't really do too much. I certainly wouldn't call it recreational. Might try 200 or 250 the mora & see how that goes.

What sort of a dunt are you getting off 150mg tramadol? Like, what effects does it give?

badandwicked
04-01-2011, 00:52
Yeah Slim, but it only lowers the threshold in 1% of the people who are ALREADY VULNERABLE TO SEIZURES and who TAKE AN ENORMOUS OVERDOSE. That doesn't mean it lowers the threshold in everyone who takes 150mg.

Obviously taking 700mg of tramadol is fucking stupid.

You failed to mention that the 1 percent risk is those on their 1st tramadol 'prescription'. Risk of seizure is highest amongst several groups including those with four or more scripts.

So to clarify someone who gets their hands on a bunch of tramadol four times or more enters the group of those at highest risk of seizure.

slim567
04-01-2011, 01:16
Its next to useless for getting high, i would try it just so you know how crap it is :D

badandwicked
04-01-2011, 01:29
I get high off it. So do lots of people. Some don't.

parttime crackhead
04-01-2011, 01:44
Aye but what do you mean by "I get high off it". What does it do to you? I get high off ecto, I get high off weed but it's two totally different highs.

badandwicked
04-01-2011, 01:48
I feel euphoric, 'buzzed', floaty, happy, bouncy, totally relaxed, like I'm walking round on springy clouds and nothing can bother me. Like i'm in a nice warm snuggly cocoon. I probably have a stupid grin on my face when i'm not slack jawed. Just an opiate high.

ChinbarWhalloped
04-01-2011, 01:48
I'm 5'9, 12 stone & 150mg tramadol doesn't really do too much. I certainly wouldn't call it recreational. Might try 200 or 250 the mora & see how that goes.

What sort of a dunt are you getting off 150mg tramadol? Like, what effects does it give?

Its just a stoney buzz pal. I take a few tramadol now & then when I'm smoking, it brings the buzz on abit and just generally chills you out to the max.

parttime crackhead
04-01-2011, 01:53
I've basically been smoking a power of dope whenever I've been on tramadol so I'll have just been thinking I'm more stoned than I actually am. Running out of weed though, so a wee stingy dooby is getting smoked & a few tramadol are getting gubbed right now.

I know tramadol & MDMA are not good pals. I last rattled some MD at about 6am on the 1st, probably done in close to a G the night before. Will it be fine to take tramadol now? I'm assuming it should be ok.

fanofyou
04-01-2011, 05:28
Tramadol give me an uppy high, very difficult to sleep. Also when I took them for a few weeks on the go afterwards I suffered from horrible twitching of my eyes and leg twitches aswell for about a month or two afterwards, not really worth it imo.

Ismene
04-01-2011, 09:10
Yeah Ismene thats true, I think it might be perhaps overstated, but maybe cus its a well known that it does affect the seizure threshold, people just say it, just in case.


Strange how that urban myth got started tho. It's the one thing everyone seems to "know" about tramadol. Presumably someone half-read the online info and went to himself "seizure threshold, dude, if I say that people are bound to think I know what I'm talking about". And from then on everyone just took the shit at face value without bothering to read that for the vast majority of the population it has absolutely fuck all to do with any seizure threshold.

Gives you an idea of how fast drug bullshit spreads - even among drug users who ought to know better.

lasthurrah19
04-01-2011, 09:14
I quite enjoy tramadol, problem is I need to take way too much, and it's not safe, so I don' take it anymore. Honestly it's better than hydro for me, possible on par with threshold oxy (for me about 40-60mg, not addicted ATM)... so good luck, hope yo enjoy.

Ismene
04-01-2011, 09:20
You failed to mention that the 1 percent risk is those on their 1st tramadol 'prescription'. Risk of seizure is highest amongst several groups including those with four or more scripts.

So to clarify someone who gets their hands on a bunch of tramadol four times or more enters the group of those at highest risk of seizure.

Someone who isn't at risk of seizure becomes at risk of seizure if the doctor gives them 4 or more tramadol prescriptions?

I'd understand the wiki bit you're quoting to mean that if you are already epileptic then the longer you take tramadol the more likely you are to have a seizure.

Myshkin
04-01-2011, 11:44
Tramadol seizures - no great shakes?

As a one-percenter (and non-epileptic one at that) I'd say the risks outweigh the benefits, but hey...

"In the last five years, tramadol has been the most commonly implicated medicine in reports of seizures to CARM."

Source - Medsafe (http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/PUArticles/TramSerious.htm#Tramadol)

You pays your money, etc. Obviously epilepsy significantly increases the chances, but that doesn't mean you're only going to wobble if you're an epileptic.

Then there's the risk of serotonin syndrome with long-term use. Mmmm! Luvverly!

The only drug I've ever thrown away. Enough said.

badandwicked
04-01-2011, 13:55
Someone who isn't at risk of seizure becomes at risk of seizure if the doctor gives them 4 or more tramadol prescriptions?

I'd understand the wiki bit you're quoting to mean that if you are already epileptic then the longer you take tramadol the more likely you are to have a seizure.

I don't think you should use wiki when it comes to important medical stuff, i used Medscape which is an online info source for medical professionals.


Here's the results of a medical trial


Study
Objective. To investigate the occurrence of tramadol-associated seizures.

Design. Retrospective cohort and case-control studies.

Setting. UnitedHealth Group-affiliated independent practice model health plans, from different regions of the United States, contracting with large networks of physicians.

Intervention. Analysis of administrative data from a large U.S. managed care population.

Patients. A cohort of 9218 adult tramadol users and 37,232 concurrent nonusers.

Measurements and Main Results. Fewer than 1% of users (80) had a presumed incident seizure claim after the first tramadol prescription. Risk of seizure claim was increased 2- to 6-fold among users adjusted for selected comorbidities and concomitant drugs. Risk was highest among those aged 25-54 years, those with more than four tramadol prescriptions, and those with history of alcohol abuse, stroke, or head injury. A case-control study among users was conducted to validate incident seizure outcomes from medical records. Only eight cases were confirmed, and all had cofactors associated with increased seizure risk.

Conclusion. In a general population, risk of seizure may be associated with long-term therapy with tramadol or the presence of cofactors, or confined to a small sensitive population subset.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/409652

Long term use is a factor in increased risk, there's no mention of already be pre-disposed to seizures, although I imagine that's included in 'co-factors'. This article makes it clear they are separate issues.

It is however worth noting the pre-disposition of those with a history of alcohol abuse to seizures from Tramadol.

Myshkin
04-01-2011, 14:01
It is however worth noting the pre-disposition of those with a history of alcohol abuse to seizures from Tramadol.

Aye... :(

Fucking idiot GP prescribes it to my alcoholic father too, along with tricyclics and (get this) co-codamol. At least until I got him to go to his next appointment with a few choice questions. Suddenly the prescription became pure codeine phosphate pills. Wanker.

slim567
04-01-2011, 14:03
Christ that is fucking stupid...... WOW use ya fucking BNF! unless a junkie hasnt stolen it :D

Mr Smokes Blunts.
05-01-2011, 18:12
I took 15 a day of these for quite some time and the withdrawal was horrible. It was like the worst come down ever, and I was just shaking and shitting constantly. On about the 10th day the misery felt like a normal MDMA come down. Obviously 15 a day wasn't for recreational purposes, but I just think I should point out they are pretty horrible to come off because they hit the opiate receptors and the serotonin receptors at the same time, they also seem to hit randomly as well so one minute you can be as high as a kite and pain free and the next stone cold normal and in agony.

It might be helpful to know my tolerance to opiates is zero, and I have never gone through a 'real' heroin withdrawal, which is probably worse. Although i've abruptly stopped morphine before, and although that made me sick for a few days it was much better because the psychological torture wasn't really as present, especially after 3-5 days.

scrooloose
06-01-2011, 09:56
I feel euphoric, 'buzzed', floaty, happy, bouncy, totally relaxed, like I'm walking round on springy clouds and nothing can bother me. Like i'm in a nice warm snuggly cocoon. I probably have a stupid grin on my face when i'm not slack jawed. Just an opiate high.

Pretty much the same. I am a big fan of tramadol. 150mgs doesn't really give a strong buzz but still gives me very powerful anti-depressant effects and motivation.

For more of a buzz,it's the 250-300 mg mark.

parttime crackhead
06-01-2011, 12:08
Aye the anti-depressant/mood-lift feeling that tramadol gives is great.

Myshkin
06-01-2011, 12:15
Good antidepressant.

Shite pseudo-opioid.

33Hz
06-01-2011, 14:27
Good antidepressant.

Shite pseudo-opioid.

I think the opioid effects depend on how good your liver is at metabolising into the more potent μ opioid O-Desmethyltramadol metabolite. it depends on your genetic make up how much you will get from it.

Myshkin
06-01-2011, 14:47
TBH I was completely ignorant about tramadol before somebody who was prescribed them gave me a couple for my fucked knee. I noticed an opioid effect straight from the off. So my knee got worse for a few days, till I ended up coming clean and being given any surplus from the script. I carried on doing this for a looooong time (stupidly) and landed myself firmly in the shit, even though I was careful with dosing.

I progressed from Zydol SR (100s I think) to Zamadol (150s, again memory is hazy) but was always more careful in doing my dosing research than I was in my 'effects of long-term use' research.

So my liver metabolises tram just fine, but ultimately I still find it to be a very unreliable and ultimately unsatisfying 'opioid' high. It's there, but it's one of the few drugs that makes me screw up my face a bit (before probably necking it regardless of course).

33Hz
06-01-2011, 15:15
but ultimately I still find it to be a very unreliable and ultimately unsatisfying 'opioid' high.

Yeah, it can be a bit hit or miss for me as well. Oddly enough, it always seemed to work better if i spaced it out in 50mg doses rather than taking one big dose. The latter would have a more stimmy effect and be somewhat lacking in typical opioid like effects. I slightly prefer it over codeine if I'm honest, though I'm not quite sure why. Can't put my finger on it. :/ Cimetidine is good a potentiating the opioid effect as well. Lasts longer too.

kevc978
06-01-2011, 15:24
Please for the love of god do not take more than 300mg, me and partner have never taken fits but these induced fits, they are the zydol SR

my partner turned blue and lay still, sleeping with eyes open

they are not good!

Myshkin
06-01-2011, 15:30
Hope it turned out okay. :|

I agree it's best avoided but some people are for whatever reason keen to promote it as a safe drug when taken in proper doses. Not least the manufacturers - I remember my ex moving into a room where the only thing left by the previous occupant was a Zydol SR notepad, of all things!

Treacle
07-01-2011, 17:08
I think tramadol provides a great high - better than codeine. 400mg spaced out over a few hours was absolute bliss. Found it made me feel very happy and noddy. It just doesn't do it for some people.

ructions
09-01-2011, 03:23
A few weeks ago i found a clear plastic bag with 25 capsules in it. It was in a car park outside a shop. The capsules are green & yellow. Who ever owned the bag wrote Tradol on the bag. When i goggled Tralol Tramadol came up. It sez Tramadol are sometimes called Tradol in Ireland. (I live in Ireland)

I have the tablets here but i'm afraid to use them in case they are dodgy!! Are Tramadol normally a green & yellow capsule? I should probably throw them away, but i have heard that they are good for H withdrawal? I'm on 60mls of Meth daily, but i often worry that i might miss the chemist as i have to go there every day for my dosage. So is Tramadol any good for withdrawals? But it was dodgy that i found them on the ground, someone may have tampered with them. i really should throw them away!!! Should I?

lasthurrah19
09-01-2011, 05:39
You probably should but likely won't. I probably wouldn't either.

I'm not sure on the colors being legit though, someone else will know.

monstanoodle
09-01-2011, 05:43
Well....

Tramadol do come in green & yellow capsules yes. Does it have any indication of the strength on the capsules?
To be honest, and to inject a bit of common sense into this situation, I would advise you don't touch them.

You can't be sure they're Tramadol for a start, you can't be sure how old they are, you can't be sure if they have any active compound in them at all, you can't be sure of the strength, whether they're extended or instant release... I mean check this picture out:
http://www.pharmer.org/files/images/CollinsCapsule2.jpg

It's practically the same as being given a pill at a rave and not knowing if it contains MDMA, BZP, 2C-B, DOB or PMA :\

Yes, they would help with withdrawals but that's still no reason to risk yer health by ingesting some pills you randomly found.


Oh - On the note of taking them and getting the best results, as mentioned above, it seems to be best to take say 50mg every hour or so. This seems to result in a better serum level build up of O-Desmethyltramadol for reasons unknown to me.
But yes, I wouldn't exceed dosages stated, regardless of if you're prone to seizures or not. It's not worth the Russian roulette.

Ismene
09-01-2011, 11:01
my partner turned blue and lay still, sleeping with eyes open


But he woke up when he broke wind.

scrooloose
09-01-2011, 15:09
Probably not advisable,but has anyone ever tried snorting tramadol,say 100 mgs?

*EDIT i just googled 'snorting tramadol' and the first thing that came up was an old bluelight thread on it. Only read the first page and concluded it's not advisable/waste of time. Question answered.

jancrow
12-01-2011, 19:19
I think there's enough literature and anecdotal evidence out there to support the view that Tramadol can give you seizures.

The mood-lifting qualities are great, though. I have a stinking cold and was lethargic and shitty but I had a couple of 50mgs earlier and apart from the blocked sinuses I feel great now, surprisingly perky and energetic.

hooks
12-01-2011, 19:35
Well I caned 10 of 'em, 500mg and I DID feel happier but can't say it did much else.

Ismene
12-01-2011, 21:09
I think there's enough literature and anecdotal evidence out there to support the view that Tramadol can give you seizures.


Nah, don't confuse some kid misreading the medical advice and then spreading it round the internet with the truth. They arn't the same thing.

Lazyscience
12-01-2011, 21:11
i took 1200mg a day for ages like six months with no seizures. its not exactly evidence but, you know, nothing bad happened.