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manwithaplan
16-12-2010, 17:05
I've always hated having Suboxone under my tongue, I feel like it hardly works when compared to snorting it. Is there any way to snort these film? I heard mixing it with a drop of water or so but that's like sniffing goo, which seems really terrible, haha. What can I do?

ILikeSub
17-12-2010, 03:36
turn it into a liguid solution and inject/snort that liquid solution.

I use an oral syringe.
.3ML of water,sometimes .2 per 1mlg of Bup.

I mix it in a spoon,draw it up,put the needless syringe in my nose tily my head back and snort the soluton LIGHTLY.

bennoculus
17-12-2010, 21:52
turn it into a liguid solution and inject/snort that liquid solution.

I use an oral syringe.
.3ML of water,sometimes .2 per 1mlg of Bup.

I mix it in a spoon,draw it up,put the needless syringe in my nose tily my head back and snort the soluton LIGHTLY.

Hello. I've been lurking around Bluelight for quite some time, just never posted.

I'm on Suboxone film as well, my doctor recently switched us all from the tablets to the film. I, too, am interested in snorting the film.

How well does snorting the film work in the way you described? Is it any stronger? When I snorted the tablets, I definetly could tell it had more pronounced effects. Is it the same with the film?

opiatekrzy
17-12-2010, 22:09
ill agree, when i used to be on the suboxone tablets, i used to get euphoria and high from snorting 2mg, over time snorting it didnt do anything different then sublingual, when i did sublingual being nieve to it, i just got the classic opiate effects with no euphoria as snorting it did. but im NOW on the mindframe to take suboxone for 1. to stay off heroin/opiates, also blocking effects of any opiates, 2. it gives me energy and mood enhancing qualities. im on 20mg bupe daily, but i dont like to take more than 8mg at once, ill get headaches and have irritability, only in the morning i can take 8mg and be fine, usually i take 4mg at a time. Lets all face the music people if ur on sub strips and trying to find ways to snort it, obviously that drug addict seeking behavior is still carrying you, people trying to put the FILM in a nasal spray bottle, etc..
Even if you were to get the film strip in a nasal bottle, BE CAREFUL if you sniff too hard, you will bypass the mucous membranes in your nose and end up having it go to ur throat , to ur stomach thus wasting bupe. just take the films for what they are RX'ed for, once inawhilw ill get tablets from ppl whose doc hasnt given them film strips and snort 2mg at a time, other then that i just take it for what i mentioned above

bennoculus
17-12-2010, 22:15
Even if you were to get the film strip in a nasal bottle, BE CAREFUL if you sniff too hard, you will bypass the mucous membranes in your nose and end up having it go to ur throat , to ur stomach thus wasting bupe. just take the films for what they are RX'ed for, once inawhilw ill get tablets from ppl whose doc hasnt given them film strips and snort 2mg at a time, other then that i just take it for what i mentioned above

That's what I've been doing. When I want to abuse the subs, I'll trade a strip to a friend who has the tablets still and I'll snort that.

I'm just wondering how well it will work.

Personally, I've never been good at snorting liquid. It usually all goes down to my stomach because I DO snort it a little to hard, like you mentioned.

Also, and not to derail this thread, is it true that snorting 2mg is more beneficial than say, 8mg?

opiatekrzy
17-12-2010, 22:51
ID SAY SNORTNG 8MG U def WILL WASTE MOST OF IT AND IT GO DOWN TO UR BELLY, plus 2mg believe it or not is alot of powder, it sucks for me, cuz with my nose one nostril is always plugged leaving one clear, oddly one day my left nostril is plugged, next day its the right one, but on stimulants both clear up...but anyways sniffing a quarter of a sub (2mg) actually is a lot of pwder, soi take my time, if i were to sniff 8mg, lol if waste it all

opiatekrzy
17-12-2010, 23:00
you asked if snorting 2mg is more beneficial then snorting 8mg: my opinion: YES for the reason less powder going thru ur nose and absobing in ur mucous membraines, verse snorting 8mg, only so much will be absorbed by ur membranes, while rest goes to waste. Now as taking lower doses of suboxone like 2mg being more beneficial then 8mg: Yes and No, The more suboxone you take at one time, you will expereince some of the bad side effects such as headaches, irritablity, trouble sleeping, with 2mgs you avoid all nasty side effects and will feel a buzz, and for NO my reasoning is because someone people take up to 32mgs subs a day (4 pills), if they were to take 2mg then Withdrawl would DEF occur as such a huge drop in dose...for me personally on suboxone, i can handle 8mg at once without side effects, if i dose 2 subs at once or 1 and a half ill feel the bad side effects, but if i take benzos with it i dont feel the bad side effects and actually feel better

that less is better is bullshit with suboxone, unless people mean that by saving on suboxone and stocking up and making an 8mg pill last 4 days, or keeping your tolerance down/still being able to get high on opiates because 2mgs u cn bust thru for sure, even 4mg. i taken 10mg bupe one morning, shot 3 bags heroin later that evening still got high. 16mgs or more all opiates will be blocked..anyone care to share there opinion on why dosing less is better?

bennoculus
17-12-2010, 23:09
you asked if snorting 2mg is more beneficial then snorting 8mg: my opinion: YES for the reason less powder going thru ur nose and absobing in ur mucous membraines, verse snorting 8mg, only so much will be absorbed by ur membranes, while rest goes to waste. Now as taking lower doses of suboxone like 2mg being more beneficial then 8mg: Yes and No, The more suboxone you take at one time, you will expereince some of the bad side effects such as headaches, irritablity, trouble sleeping, with 2mgs you avoid all nasty side effects and will feel a buzz, and for NO my reasoning is because someone people take up to 32mgs subs a day (4 pills), if they were to take 2mg then Withdrawl would DEF occur as such a huge drop in dose...for me personally on suboxone, i can handle 8mg at once without side effects, if i dose 2 subs at once or 1 and a half ill feel the bad side effects, but if i take benzos with it i dont feel the bad side effects and actually feel better

that less is better is bullshit with suboxone, unless people mean that by saving on suboxone and stocking up and making an 8mg pill last 4 days, or keeping your tolerance down/still being able to get high on opiates because 2mgs u cn bust thru for sure, even 4mg. i taken 10mg bupe one morning, shot 3 bags heroin later that evening still got high. 16mgs or more all opiates will be blocked..anyone care to share there opinion on why dosing less is better?

I take 24mg a day (8mg strips, 3x/day). The reason why I asked if 2mg is more beneficial wasn't exactly because of the powder/mucus absorbtion issue. I remember reading somewhere that bupe changes to another sub-chemical of itself, (kind of like heroin changes to morphine in the brain) thus providing a bigger buzz. I believe it was another site someone knew all the technicalities as to why 2mg is MORE beneficial for a buzz than 8mg.

I can try and find the post, I just don't know if I'm allowed to provide links to other drug forums on Bluelight.

And that's interesting you get major side effects taking 8mg at a time, such as irritability. I notice I can be a bit irritable the hour before I'm supposed to take my next dose.

Edit: I found my source. The reason why smaller doses are key to a glow is because buprenorphine, being a partial agonist is a prodrug to norbuprenorphine, which is a FULL mu-opioid agonist. Lower doses apparently allow more of the prodrug to fill the mu receptors. Where as higher doses will fill all the receptors with buprenorphine, not allowing the prodrug norbupe to enter the receptors.

I don't know if that's 100% true or not, but it makes some sense. At least to me...

K'd-OUT-in-AZ
17-12-2010, 23:26
I think that 2mg's of Suboxone are just as much beneficial as 8mg. I get about the same mood lift from both doses. I'm on 2mg and I didn't feel much withdrawals at all from tapering down from 16mg. However, once you taper down to 1mg it gets a little rougher, not horrible but you nitice the withdrawals.

But anyway, I don't see any reason to increase my 2mg dose to anything higher. I feel better that if I'm low I won't have to worry about as much withdrawals as you'd get from having to go cold turkey from 16 or 24mg.

OaKland430
07-01-2011, 23:14
I have just been prescribed the suboxone film, the only way to snort these would be to add water to it, and from there snort the gel/goo?....Can't you just cut it up into tiny pieces and snort? I would def like some input for i am new to both suboxone and bluelight...

verso
07-01-2011, 23:24
No one has been able to say with any certainty whether or not suboxone can be taken more effectively in the nose than under the tongue, right? For the life of me I cannot find an answer to this question anywhere, and it looks to me like it is just a matter of preference/opinion.

OaKland430
07-01-2011, 23:49
I know with the tablets you can snort, but the new film is the question...

PcChip
08-01-2011, 20:19
To the person that asked, I can say for sure with 100% confidence that snorting 1/3rd of a sub feels like 1/2 taken sublingually.

That is, 2.666mg snorted feels like 4mg sublingual.

Also, you get a faster onset of effects - for me it starts at 30-45 minutes instead of 60-75 minutes for sublingual administration. Also, just for reference, I read a usenet post from someone who injects a full tablet daily, he said the effects were felt in 5 minutes.

For those curious about the naloxone, buprenorphine has a higher binding affinity - so basically they can both be floating around in your bloodstream and when they come to a mu-receptor the bupe will always win.

sulliest.1980
14-01-2011, 22:52
I've always hated having Suboxone under my tongue, I feel like it hardly works when compared to snorting it. Is there any way to snort these film? I heard mixing it with a drop of water or so but that's like sniffing goo, which seems really terrible, haha. What can I do?

I think you may have used too little water, next time try using about 3 drops of water. Its seems to work better for me, I just tilt my head back using an oral syringe just breathing in through the nose. You DONT have to technically "snort" the liquid, just breathing in is enough to get the Sub to the membranes. I had been taking the film for 2months and feeling like I needed more and more to feel "normal"...then I discovered this method and suddenly feel better, go figure!! Take care

opiatekrzy
15-01-2011, 02:48
personally, i would feel guilty if i attempted to snort a film strip, i just put it under my tongue, when i get tablets sometimes, ill snort 2mg, or IV 2mg, other thent hat, i do it as prescribed im not gonna jump thru hoops to water down a film strip to snort when u probably wont get much success with it. plugging is good though. point of suboxone is to stop opiates, not abuse suboxone when its meant to stop abuse..

K'd-OUT-in-AZ
15-01-2011, 03:06
Not everyone uses them to stay off opiates, some people just obtain them to have something to prevent the withdrawals of whatever they were using and stop it when they finally get their opiate of choice.

laudium
20-01-2011, 04:40
Do whatever you want with YOUR prescription.

Seriously guys, if you are buying or selling suboxone. STOP.
You are going to ruin this wonderful drug for EVERYONE.

DEA is considering putting Suboxone in C II status. I heard this at a conference I attended...

Slightly off topic, sorry, but needed to be said.
DRH

Kudders
20-01-2011, 05:38
I remember someone mentioning putting the strip up your nose.....jam that sucker in and keep it there and don't swallow anything - I always spit out weather I use tabs and insufflate or strips sublingual - but when it's in these mucous membrane areas it has it's best BA......less is always more as well.....but yea I mean you could stick it up there haaa

xkidx
07-02-2011, 18:17
I just started doing this and I personally can tell a pretty decent difference. I'm going to post a picture of what MY example looks like I'm not going to say its wrong nor right I'm just going to share MY experience. I'm using 1mg, and 3 drops from a straw.
http://i53.tinypic.com/2zevxu9.jpg
I use a regular Table spoon and just a little cup of water for dripping. I use as little as straw as I possibly can so that there's less surface area for the liquid to stick to when it travels up the straw to my nose. I can smell the orange citrus so I know its going up there. Also like the gentlemen said above, sniff lightly but hard enough to get it all up there. After which (again this is just what I do) there will be what looks like a little sediment in your spoon. I take 2-3 drops of water and slightly sniff it up the same way through the other nostril so to get any I missed WHILE ALSO getting any remainder that might have gotten left in the straw. Now I used to think that this shit isn't working very well because I didn't really feel much in my nose at first, BUT, do you remember the slight burning sensation when we snort the pill powder? (well at least I do). Well after snorting the liquid all up, in a few moments I can feel that welcoming burning sensation I long for. That is play by play, exactly what I do. I hope this helps. Again, I'm ONLY giving my opinion and experience, I'm not saying you should do this at all, But I always love input and help making any experience an easier or better one. Thanks a lot, and good luck.
kid

*edit* I now only use about a drop, drop and a half of water. Just thought I'd add that.

spazgettio69
11-02-2011, 02:49
Ive been thinking of this every since I was put on the film. I Finally tried it last night. I placed half of an 8mg strip on the bottom of a soda can (a spoon would work). Using an insulin needle i drew up 1 half a cc of citrus vodka (strongest clear alcohol i had) and added it to the strip. Next I removed the plunger from the syringe and used it to stir until the whole strip dissolved. I took an equate diphanhydramine pill (generic benadryl) and cut it open adding the powder to the mix. After stirring it in with the plunger I allowed it to sit over night to evaporate the alcohol. Today I scraped the powder off the bottom of the can and snorted it. It burnt more than the suboxone pills but it worked. Ive only tried this once and im sure there is a better way just wanted to share my experience with the strips.

kurt_cocaine
11-02-2011, 04:29
ive snorted a few. just tear a piece off and then tear that into little tiny bits. then snort them a few bits at a time. they can actually be torn pretty easy if you do it a little at a time.

cupcakex13
11-02-2011, 04:46
get orange octogans..

xkidx
22-02-2011, 14:44
Thats obviously not the point to the dude above. And hey why add the dyphenhydramine? And vodka? What are your reasons behind this?
I like the idea I'm just very curious.
kid

Drowxy
23-02-2011, 01:52
the alcohol is to aid extraction of the bup from the methylcellulose and the benadryl is just his choice of powder to to let the bup dry in, mostly likely due to the fact that benadryl increases opiates effects. That might have affected the outcome though because even a opiate tolerant user who doesn't get high anymore will get the sleepy "nod-type" effect from mixing the two. If you have the quantity, I would try taking ten and do a chemical extraction, then let that dry. I would have to get the specifics, but its as easy as baking a cake. it should dry into put crystals if you did it right. If anyone tries that, remember, cut it into ten piles and they are roughly 8mg a peice, it will look like nothing.

SPC123
23-02-2011, 05:45
If you can make a liquid solution, couldn't you just use a vaporizer to snort it? Anything that gets past the mucous membrane would then go into your lungs, which are also pretty amazing at rapidly introducing drugs to the bloodstream. Just a thought.

EspAaron
09-03-2011, 22:43
I don't know how I stumbled upon this site, but I just have to respond to this....


I take 8mg of suboxone film every day as a painkiller. I've never even heard of people snorting the film. Or shooting it up. It's a film, come on. How desperate are you? Trying to do that is some real low life drug addict crap.

You fellas sound like you're complete druggies. Maybe you should consider help. I can't imagine why you'd spend so much time and effort just to get high. It can't feel that good can it?

spazgettio69
12-03-2011, 11:47
Thats obviously not the point to the dude above. And hey why add the dyphenhydramine? And vodka? What are your reasons behind this?
I like the idea I'm just very curious.
kid

Drowxy is pretty close except nothing was extracted just powder added as a filler. I used citrus vodka because it was the only clear ethyl alcohol I had. My reason for using alcohol is 1) Its a solvent, 2) its relatively safe should there be any left in the mix, and 3) it evaporates much faster than water (everclear would have been ideal). I used diphenhydramine mostly because it was what i had, also its whats used to whip heroin, it potentates the effects of opiates, and i have used it many times in combination with suboxone iv with good results. The diphenhydramine was a little harsh on the nose though im sure there are a ton of other things that could be used as a filler without the burning sensation. I haven't tried this again because I've been stuck in an iv rut. I tried tearing it into little pieces once they all just stuck together. drowxy id like to hear more about this extraction especially if it is as easy as you make it sound.

spazgettio69
12-03-2011, 12:15
Well suboxone is prescribed to drug addicts so of course you going to find a bunch of druggies on a forum about it. I don't snort or iv suboxone for a high its expensive and u get twice the ba as sublingual (only need to take half a dose).

youngna
14-03-2011, 06:38
i can personally say that after being switchin from the tabs to the films i was scared that i couldnt snort them but after reading on here ive been using 2mg sub to 1ml water in an oral syring and shoot that into my nose with my head tilted back. i do it about 4 times a day and i feel in my opinion that it is DEF. better than sublingual its faster onset, stronger effects, and best of all it doesnt have the disgustin taste. easily as good as snorting the tabs

nickpaulsen36
18-03-2011, 06:38
turn it into a liguid solution and inject/snort that liquid solution.

I use an oral syringe.
.3ML of water,sometimes .2 per 1mlg of Bup.

I mix it in a spoon,draw it up,put the needless syringe in my nose tily my head back and snort the soluton LIGHTLY.

can you please tell me ho to shot subs the right wway or a link to shot subs

youngna
28-03-2011, 21:06
ok so ive posted before on this thread and ill start off by saying ive been snorting suboxone for about a year now, the films for about a month and at first i was dissolving a 2mg portion of film in a spoon with 1ml of water and sucking it up with a 10ml oral syringe and it was horrible, the burn was crazzzzy and most of the liquid went right down my throat even when i lightly BREATHED in not snorted. but now i get a 1ml oral syringe for free from the pharmacy (looks just like 1cc syringe without needle) i BACKLOAD the 2mg peice of film into the oral syringe and fill it with .3-.4ml of warm water and shake untill dissolved. i then tilt my head back while lightly breathing in through my nose and it works perfect no drip at all, no burn whatsoever, and the high i get is much more enjoyable then taking 4mg sublingually. it works great for conserving subs i can personally use 4mg through my method and feel just as good as 10mgs spaced through the day. hope this helps anyone interested in trying.

Bojangles69
27-04-2011, 00:23
I wanted to bump this to give you guys a super easy way to snort these things. Tried and approved by me, but it does require a tiny bit of work.

You need a big square mirror, prefrably at least a 1ft X 1ft. The regular face mirrors will work too.
Anyway, put the strip on the mirror, add a few drops of alcohol just a tiny amount to dissolve it.

Get a blow dryer, hold it about 2 feet away so it doesn't shoot the liquid off the mirror. It takes about 2-3mins to vaporize the alcohol. Take the dried sub, powder it, snort, and you're good to go.

thurston
28-04-2011, 21:59
I second what laudnum said. Stop using subs as a drug to get high. Its a fucking miricle drug for those try to kick the habit and is hard enough to get already. The last thing we need is to get it labeled as a recreational drug.

~NaStYNaI~
13-05-2011, 04:39
ive snorted a few. just tear a piece off and then tear that into little tiny bits. then snort them a few bits at a time. they can actually be torn pretty easy if you do it a little at a time.

Look,I found a way where you don't have to "snort" these strips.Especially if you're actually snorting the strips.Just stick it up there!! Here's what I do:First blow your nose out and get all those boogers(yes ALL the boogers)Then I take a q-tip or a piece of toilet paper, dip the q-tip some ISO alcohol and rub on the inside of your nose,especially where you're gonna put it.(yes it will burn for a few seconds,I actually like the burn)Then just stick the piece of strip in your nose,prob as far as you can get it to the membranes.I have put it on the inside of my nose on the flesh where the cartilage is,and it just sticks and eventually melts in you nose.

I also try to have my strip ready if Im gona put it in my nose,so when i rub the inside with alcohol I like to time it so there's just enough ISO where I put it to help with the absorption,since alcohol helps with that.But I will say,even though nasal does seem to work fast.I have just been putting them under my tongue(anywhere from .5 -1.5mg)and it seems to work pretty fast.And thats the strips Im talking about.And even tho those strips do stick pretty good to anything wet,especially the inside of your nose,just keep checking on it with a flashlight to make sure its still there.Im pretty sure it still will be.Oh,also when you place it in your nose,make sure you get it where you want it it,because if you try to move it especially when it's wet,it will most likely get stuck to your finger and it will be almost impossible to get it back in.And then you have to 'try' and put it under your tongue or get it wet in a solution just so you dont waste it.

I hope this has helped any with the nasal route administration of suboxone strips.Again since they do have hardly any fillers,the drug will work faster anyway you administer.And I can vouch for the "less is more" theory.I have done opiates for ~8yrs,and have had a problem with the needle,and just plain 'ol drugs,period.But,I do feel that less IS MORE because of the whole norbuprenorphine being able to attach to your receptors if you take less suboxone.I also think it works better in less amounts,since low doses are used for pain,and higher doses are used more for opiate dependence and has its blockade effect.Again, hope this helps if you are considering the nasal route.:

trophytaker308
03-06-2011, 22:04
im going to give you the 100% correct way to snort the films...first get you some hot water,then put your film in a siringe like the docotor would give a baby or small child to take liquid medicine.draw up 1mm off water and then pull back on the siringe so you have more room for the film to disolve when you are shaking it up to form a liquid,and know it will not be gooie at all.when you are done push it back to the 1mm mark and take very little drops in each nostril,wait and breath threw your nose so it will dry,and so on until finished....whatever you do dont let it go back in your throat..i have done this so many times i cant count,the better you keep it in your nose the better it will work.it will take you a few times to find out how to do it right..goodluck,and know its not as good as buzz as snorting 2mg of the tablets,but it works..

trophytaker308
04-06-2011, 05:07
I don't know how I stumbled upon this site, but I just have to respond to this....


I take 8mg of suboxone film every day as a painkiller. I've never even heard of people snorting the film. Or shooting it up. It's a film, come on. How desperate are you? Trying to do that is some real low life drug addict crap.

You fellas sound like you're complete druggies. Maybe you should consider help. I can't imagine why you'd spend so much time and effort just to get high. It can't feel that good can it?

yes it does feel much better,and do it the way i posted,and if you get the tablets and snort 1/4,it is a big time diference in the feeling,,,,way way better.you will be wide fucking open all day and fell like superman....thats why i love the tablets.i trade 2 strips for one tablet anyday of the week....period.

KeepTryin
06-06-2011, 16:52
If you snort little tiny pieces at a time hard through a straw it works. It sticks and obsorbs through the mucous membraines at a faster rate than under the tongue... and you get that nose burning sensation as well. It work just the same way as snorting the tabs. That also is absorbed through the mucous membraine in the nose.

I suggest using the drug for what it is for though... it is a life saving drug to alot of addicts, and we need to keep it available to them (us). God Bless you all, and keep tryin! The cycle will break sooner or later!

Sobobuser89
24-06-2011, 22:34
Idk if anyone still reads this forum but I just wanna say I do this all the time and I'll tell ya it works GREAT..

Actually this forum is where I got the idea. I see most people are using specific CC's of water, but I just guesstimate. I gotta do like 1mg or less, put it in a spoon, Use a dropper to add water I use maybe three or four drops, then "stir" with the eye dropper (just suck up the water and squirt it at the strip till it dissolves), then suck up maybe a half drop to a whole drop and tilt the head back and drop 'er in..

A couple notes about this I find important:

1) The amount of water does not matter, BUT less water more sub burns more in my experience, ALSO more water less sub takes longer..

2) It also works with a small straw as before mentioned, ALTHOUGH that much liquid is much easier to accidentally swallow and it tastes miserable. Plus suboxone on the stomach always makes me pukey lol On the same note it does the same thing doing too much with the dropper. Yeah it takes longer, but I feel more gets to the sinuses and less to the stomach.


Also, maybe off topic, but when i mix up the solution it all turns orange normally but at the same time there are like minute flakes of orange shit at the bottom.. I cant help but think these are naloxone. Surely a rookie mistake but hey who knows.

My first post BTW! I love me some bluelight. Im sure this site has saved my life a time or two, as I'm quite reckless when I'm sober and desperate lol.

Edited; Also when sublingually dosing I have to do 4mg's or so, but when I do it this junkie-ish way I only have to do 1mg or less

TheMoney
26-06-2011, 00:16
So, I'm trying to get this straight because I'm trying to get the most out of my limited suboxone. I have 22mg left, I've already cut them up into 7 2mg strips and 2 4mg strips left, obviously I can cut them smaller.


First, do you need to chop the piece of strip up or can you just put it in a spoon whole and put water in it to dissolve it by stirring it with the rubber end of the syringe pusher?


Or would it be best to just put it in the syringe whole, and then put water in it and shake it up?

Once it's dissolved, lean your head back and slowly push it in while lightly breathing?

jb0nez
19-10-2011, 01:01
I just chop it into little pieces, make a line, snort. Then go take a drop or two of water on the end of my finger and snort that. Works, burns, has a little drip if I snort too hard but a drop comes out the front if not hard enough.

And it just seems to work better than sublingual that way for me. Sub just makes me feel normal, wish I got all these amazing effects you guys claim, but I'm using it for its intended purpose so have pretty high and stable blood plasma levels already. But for some reason snorting it makes me feel *more* normal. I know that doesn't make sense, that's why I say it just seems more effective to me.

effie
19-10-2011, 01:27
Snorting has a higher bioavailability than sublingual, so that probably explains why it helps you more..

Thank you for your advice :) however, this is quite an old thread and we try to avoid ressurecting old threads and keeping them going for a long time - take a look at the "State of BDD" sticky to see why :)

Closing this, but feel free to shoot me a pm if you have any queries.