i have had these too. they have been around sydney for about 2 months or so. they are ok, i have seen some people get quite messy from them. Large pill, not a very hard pressed pill and crumbly, they are the same ones no doubt. My experience, was ok, little messy,little chargy. Im a bit unsure of the contents due to the way different people have reacted. Id give them a 5 or 6, theres alot better out there, but of course personal opinion!