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Fresco
07-01-2012, 18:05
I wanna try this kratom + cimetidine thingie. But those online sources for cimetidine dont ship to Canada, so if anyone knows of where to buy this (online or locally here in Toronto) then please post that source

euphoric123
07-01-2012, 18:56
Tried some Bali Kratom to see what all the fuss was. I have a pretty decent opiate tolerance, I only respond to Opana. Saying this, I consumed 5 grams of it and didn't feel a thing. Does this stuff really work? Do i have to bump it up to like 8 g's to feel anything?

Pothedd
07-01-2012, 19:03
I'd say 20g, but if I'm not mistaken that may cause projectile vomiting...

If you have opiate tolerance, kratom will be no good for a buzz, but may alleviate withdrawal symptoms.

I think I once had Maeng Da, covered with full spectrum extract.
That was one of the best products I'd tried.

Flyhigh88
07-01-2012, 21:34
Hey so have never done kratom before and had a few questions regarding kratom and opiate w/d. Does anyone have any experience with using kratom to help with opiate detox? If so, what would be a recommended starting does for someone with a moterately high (.3< diacetylmorphine smoked a day) tolerance for alitlle over a year? Also does anyone know if it can be used with suboxone without risking precipitated w/d i.e. Does it bind with the same receptors? Does kratom have any Interactions if taken with benzos? What is the best way for consumption (perferably not plugged)? Are there any potentiators? What is the strongest type and form to get it in e.g. Powder or leaves (saw numberous different types on different websites)? Sorry for all the questions, have researched a bit but it's always good hearing first hand as apposed to reading different arguements people have on other forums. Have seen it in smoke shops but always so expensive. Thanks all and sorry for all the questions. Like i said have not tried kratom before but am really interested in it but want to understand and know the facts first about it.

Oxide
07-01-2012, 23:10
I would start with about 6 grams (2 tsp) or so, work your way up if need be. Powdered leaf is the way to go in my opinion, just get plain bali.

There are a couple of ways to use it, mainly making it into a tea and drinking it (i can provide a recipe if needed) or just eating the powdered leaf itself.

The interaction with benzos would be the same as with opiates, or at least that's the best way to compare it.

EDIT: I found this (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/540581-The-Kratom-Thread?p=9052780&viewfull=1#post9052780) regarding Kratom and bupe, hope it helps.

euphoric123
08-01-2012, 03:14
I'd say 20g, but if I'm not mistaken that may cause projectile vomiting...

If you have opiate tolerance, kratom will be no good for a buzz, but may alleviate withdrawal symptoms.

I think I once had Maeng Da, covered with full spectrum extract.
That was one of the best products I'd tried.

Did you feel anything off the extract? Like any type of the warm euphoric feeling stronger opiates give?

trintdaddy
08-01-2012, 04:47
I'd like to hear how everyone takes their kratom. The taste is awful and its getting to where I can barely swallow it. So what do you mix it with. I usually mix it with iced tea. I've tried the hot tea way, applesauce, koolaid, and lemonade. Anuy other suggestions? Those of youthat parachute, how do you go about doinf that? Toilet paper?

Yall have a good night now, ya hear?

5StarSquatHotel
08-01-2012, 12:23
I'd like to hear how everyone takes their kratom. The taste is awful and its getting to where I can barely swallow it. So what do you mix it with. I usually mix it with iced tea. I've tried the hot tea way, applesauce, koolaid, and lemonade. Anuy other suggestions? Those of youthat parachute, how do you go about doinf that? Toilet paper?

Yall have a good night now, ya hear?

In soya milk I found to be best.

Pothedd
08-01-2012, 12:46
Did you feel anything off the extract? Like any type of the warm euphoric feeling stronger opiates give?
That was the best Kratom I'd tried. An extract alone was lacking, as was plain leaf, but leaf coated with full-spectrum extract provided a much more potent high, better than hydrocodone imo, with no nausea, and much smaller doses needed than plain leaf.
So yes, I had the nice, warm, opioid glow from only a couple grams.

Fresco
08-01-2012, 16:03
I'd like to hear how everyone takes their kratom. The taste is awful and its getting to where I can barely swallow it. So what do you mix it with. I usually mix it with iced tea. I've tried the hot tea way, applesauce, koolaid, and lemonade. Anuy other suggestions? Those of youthat parachute, how do you go about doinf that? Toilet paper?

Yall have a good night now, ya hear?
Really?? I find it tastes not bad at all, a bit like green tea.

Maybe some brands taste worse then others??



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stupidretard
08-01-2012, 20:39
I down mine usually with Grapefruit juice if I gots it..kills the awful taste, and from some reading I have done has been known to potentiate it's effects a bit.

Euphoric123...if you've got a pretty decent Opie tolerance, then the regular kratom blends won't really do much for getting you lifted, not relieving WD's. There are stronger extracts which will probably do the trick, but they can be pretty costly. UEI is sort of the go to for a potent, strong extract that can knock you on your behind. I've tried it many times, and it is definitely the best stuff on the market IMO. All depends on tolerance though and where your at. If your tolerance is low at the moment, a gram or less could get you some serious face scratching, pain killing, euphoric effects...

Careful though. UEI (as well as any kratom really) can kick your but and is addicting after you put some time in with it...

euphoric123
08-01-2012, 21:14
Hey man....so that UEI stuff could give someone the warm euphoric feeling that stronger opiates provide?

Fresco
08-01-2012, 22:38
Hey man....so that UEI stuff could give someone the warm euphoric feeling that stronger opiates provide?
They can, but be careful because UEI can give nasty withdrawal symptoms also

Pothedd
08-01-2012, 23:54
Toss n wash here. Threw it all into the back of my throat, slammed some apple juice, all gone, barely tasted a thing.

Edit: UEI, Isn't that that leaf coated with a full-spectrum extract?
Think that's what I had and it kicked ass.

Fresco
09-01-2012, 22:26
This method will reduce your kratom withdrawal by about 95%, and it'll allow you to go to work regularly without suffering from WD's while at work. Its a true, tried and tested method:

Step 1. Try to taper down your kratom use to 2-4 grams twice or 3 times daily (I'm talking about the powder, not extract)

Step 2. Take your last 2-4 grams of powder after dinner, so around 7 or 8 PM. This will ensure a decent night sleep.

Step 3. Your WD's should start next day around noon to afternoon. As soon as you feel them coming on take the following: 1x250 mg Phenibut + 1x500 mg GABA.

Step 4. You need to take those 2 capsules every 2 to 3 hours during the first 3 worst days of your withdrawal. After 3 days you can taper it off to maybe taking them every 4 to 6 hours.

Step 5. You can also take loperamide if you get loose stool or diarrhea

And that is that, your WD's should only last 5 to 6 days at the most and you will barely feel a damn thing.

For some reason phenibut in combination with GABA works amazingly well, as opposed to phenibut alone. I believe the GABA takes care of the body WD's, and phenibut takes care of brain WD's since it does cross the BB barrier while GABA doesnt.

Good luck ;)
So get a load of this. I posted this exact same post as above on another forum, and they banned me for it. Even though I was just trying to help people.

I was a bit shocked, but then I did some digging and found out why. See here:

http://www.zimbio.com/The+social+consequences+of+mental+illness.+Dealing +with+stigma/articles/bN6z96B6Nq7/Kratom+Forum+Scammed+Banned


The Kratom Forum (www.thekratomforum.com) : Scammed or Banned !

We frequently receive complaints from users about a kratom forum, named The Kratom Forum. It appears as a so called objective place where kratom users can share information in a closed forum and post reviews of their beloved vendors, but there is a bit more you should know about this forum.

The forum which presents itself as objective, was originally set up by kratom sellers, we wont mention them, since we have really no intention of promoting these. Jacky, an old member already observed this in 2009 (1);

“the impression that I got, is that a few people own that website that also own small companies that sell kratom. and they think they might be keeping a lid on things.”

Over the years the forum has changed and it currently tries to present a number of sellers who will get “open” and “objective” reviews from the members. Really ? No way! The fact is that users are seeing a small selection of sellers, these sellers charge relatively a lot more for their kratom, while other, much more ecoonical sellers are simply being blocked or rated negatively (positive reviews are being removed). Buyers who post their real experiences on the kratom forum are simply being banned and the posts are being deleted. Here is one such report from Liviana.

” They banned me without reason. They got pissy after I reported IAMSHAMAN or charging my credit card and lying about refunds… and said that my ban was because I advertised innapropriate content. I didn’t advertise anything. ” (2)

This member was directly banned, simply for addressing a very serious issue. It is not uncommon that users are being banned for telling the truth and warning other buyers for certain practices that might be negative for the Kratom Forum owners and sponsors. This includes discussions about the quality of the kratom. So what happens when someone writes something positve about another seller on this forum? Believe it or not, but they get banned as well!

See the following message we received last week for example.

“I also am a member on TKF I tried to defend XXXX as some things they was saying about XXXX was not true but I got a warning that I would be banned if I posted any thing GOOD about XXXX and they deleted my post.”

These kind of messages reach us often, users are being pressured and censured. The newcomers on the forum, unaware of these practices, are being fooled by positive reviews from sellers that are charging 2 and even 3 times more than non-TKF sellers.

On the Mitragyna Speciosa facebook page (3) we discussed this issue with some other kratom users and community members. One long time community member noted the following(4)

“Because that forum is run by vendors and if people discovered they could buy quality leaf/powder at a fraction of the price it would ruin the american and european vendors ability to milk people for their cash.”

And the word “pricefixing” showed up;

“I still find it amazing that these so called ‘reputable vendors’ get away with the price fixing, they are quick off the mark to big up each other and put down anyone who does not follow their pricing guide lines.

Another source (5) came to the following conclusion, that was shared by many others,

“I’d recommend you stay away from thekratomforum if you want open an honest discussion.”

We could go on and fill this page with a lot similar quotes, but we hope the message is clear

Escapedysphoria
09-01-2012, 22:47
I'd love to find some of this around where I live (Dayton, OH) for opioid addiction maintenance. Bupe works really well to kick my withdrawals and my habit and can be stimulating, same I heard can happen with Kratom except not nearly as potent. I really need motivation. My friend brought some down from Michigan. I need to find a vendor near me ASAP!

Seattle_Stranger
09-01-2012, 23:46
So get a load of this. I posted this exact same post as above on another forum, and they banned me for it. Even though I was just trying to help people.

I was a bit shocked, but then I did some digging and found out why. See here:

http://www.zimbio.com/The+social+consequences+of+mental+illness.+Dealing +with+stigma/articles/bN6z96B6Nq7/Kratom+Forum+Scammed+Banned

Funny, I got banned from the same place for the same reason. The people on that forum were really cool and fun to hang out with, and I even met some very cool, generous vendors, however the nazi-admins have some kind of power/control/paranoia complex and it's absolutely pathetic. They think that 'burning kratom' makes them the leaders of some secret underground society, and that no one should ever talk about it, even though they have a forum for it. Basically, if you posted almost anything pertaining to kratom, your post would get deleted or locked because of some retarded rule they just made up the day before.

I was directly banned after spending quite a while on there, built a reputation, had several hundred posts, and one day just BAM got permanently banned with absolutely no chance of appeal, and when I asked what rule I had broken because I truly had no idea what I did wrong, I was told BY THE FORUM'S OWNER "some rules are assumed"!! I'm not kidding!! I literally got permanently banned for a rule that isn't even posted. WTF?

Trust me, I understand why people shouldn't go around posting "OMG I GET WASTED ON KRATOM ERRYDAY!!1" because it's an amazing plant with tons of benefits, and luckily it remains legal for us to purchase. If the internet is buzzing with people talking about getting high on kratom, it'll be scheduled in no time, it's already on it's way. However the way that forum is run by it's admins is a fucking joke. Shame, because like I said, some cool folks hang out there.

Ah well. There's always BL. :)


Anyway, enough bashing TKF, onto better things:


Tried some Bali Kratom to see what all the fuss was. I have a pretty decent opiate tolerance, I only respond to Opana. Saying this, I consumed 5 grams of it and didn't feel a thing. Does this stuff really work? Do i have to bump it up to like 8 g's to feel anything?

DO NOT take 20g like that one guy said, that is way too much and you will have a shitty day as a result. Try ~8-10g of bali. The way I prepare it, is first of all, pop a 200mg cimetidine before you start preparation, that way you give it time to start working. Using up a small ~20oz empty soda bottle, fill about 1/4 of the bottle with orange juice. Weight out about 8 or 9 grams of bali powder, and dump it into the bottle. Shake it vigorously so it infuses into the water. The kratom powder will not dissolve so don't expect it to. Once you've shaken it enough to where it looks completely suspended in the OJ, allow it to sit so the foam dissipates and you have just a dark brown/green grainy looking liquid. Grab a glass of water, and place it in front of you, you'll want this later. Open the cap of the kratom bottle, swish it around gently so the particles are good and suspended, but not enough to cause foam again, place it to your lips and chug that shit! Put on music, close your eyes, hold your nose, do whatever it takes to chug all the liquid down without spewing it back up. Don't sip it, it will be worse, you'll just lengthen the process and won't hit you as well, just CHUG it all at once. As soon as you're done, grab that glass of water and chug a few mouthfuls of that to flush out/wash down all the nasty kratom leftover in your mouth. Once you've done that, sit back and enjoy the waves of euphoria as they pour over you. Even with an opioid tolerance, this should get you SOMETHING. Remember, kratom is NOT an opiate, and is not nearly as potent. The effect is very nice, but can be subtle.

Oxide
10-01-2012, 02:31
Tried some Bali Kratom to see what all the fuss was. I have a pretty decent opiate tolerance, I only respond to Opana. Saying this, I consumed 5 grams of it and didn't feel a thing. Does this stuff really work? Do i have to bump it up to like 8 g's to feel anything?


Once you've done that, sit back and enjoy the waves of euphoria as they pour over you. Even with an opioid tolerance, this should get you SOMETHING.

If you are taking and have a tolerance to Opana, I don't think any dosage of plain powdered leaf is going to give you any euphoria whatsoever.

However, it will still do you a lot of good if you are in withdrawal.

eternalhigh
10-01-2012, 03:43
Ok sorry bro. I'm new and that's all i'm used to seeing elsewhere :-)

I fade out like whoa on Dramamine.

eternalhigh
10-01-2012, 03:46
I've tried Kratom 15x extract multiple times. It came in a 3g package. What I used to disguise the taste was a bottle of snapple apple. I poured the pouch into my drink and shook it up until it was all mixed up. Chugged it as quick as i could, 30 mins later i feel good.

I tried 6g's of the 15x extract and it made me kinda nod out. But from the few times I tried it, it upset my stomach only once. <snip>

in128770
11-01-2012, 23:12
Funny, I got banned from the same place for the same reason. The people on that forum were really cool and fun to hang out with, and I even met some very cool, generous vendors, however the nazi-admins have some kind of power/control/paranoia complex and it's absolutely pathetic. They think that 'burning kratom' makes them the leaders of some secret underground society, and that no one should ever talk about it, even though they have a forum for it. Basically, if you posted almost anything pertaining to kratom, your post would get deleted or locked because of some retarded rule they just made up the day before.

I was directly banned after spending quite a while on there, built a reputation, had several hundred posts, and one day just BAM got permanently banned with absolutely no chance of appeal, and when I asked what rule I had broken because I truly had no idea what I did wrong, I was told BY THE FORUM'S OWNER "some rules are assumed"!! I'm not kidding!! I literally got permanently banned for a rule that isn't even posted. WTF?

Trust me, I understand why people shouldn't go around posting "OMG I GET WASTED ON KRATOM ERRYDAY!!1" because it's an amazing plant with tons of benefits, and luckily it remains legal for us to purchase. If the internet is buzzing with people talking about getting high on kratom, it'll be scheduled in no time, it's already on it's way. However the way that forum is run by it's admins is a fucking joke. Shame, because like I said, some cool folks hang out there.

Ah well. There's always BL. :)


Anyway, enough bashing TKF, onto better things:



DO NOT take 20g like that one guy said, that is way too much and you will have a shitty day as a result. Try ~8-10g of bali. The way I prepare it, is first of all, pop a 200mg cimetidine before you start preparation, that way you give it time to start working. Using up a small ~20oz empty soda bottle, fill about 1/4 of the bottle with orange juice. Weight out about 8 or 9 grams of bali powder, and dump it into the bottle. Shake it vigorously so it infuses into the water. The kratom powder will not dissolve so don't expect it to. Once you've shaken it enough to where it looks completely suspended in the OJ, allow it to sit so the foam dissipates and you have just a dark brown/green grainy looking liquid. Grab a glass of water, and place it in front of you, you'll want this later. Open the cap of the kratom bottle, swish it around gently so the particles are good and suspended, but not enough to cause foam again, place it to your lips and chug that shit! Put on music, close your eyes, hold your nose, do whatever it takes to chug all the liquid down without spewing it back up. Don't sip it, it will be worse, you'll just lengthen the process and won't hit you as well, just CHUG it all at once. As soon as you're done, grab that glass of water and chug a few mouthfuls of that to flush out/wash down all the nasty kratom leftover in your mouth. Once you've done that, sit back and enjoy the waves of euphoria as they pour over you. Even with an opioid tolerance, this should get you SOMETHING. Remember, kratom is NOT an opiate, and is not nearly as potent. The effect is very nice, but can be subtle.

Kratom is not an opiate... What???? Please explain that stance and maybe I'll learn something

Oxide
12-01-2012, 01:45
Kratom is not an opiate in the sense of traditional, poppy-derived opiates like morphine or codeine because of just that - kratom is not a poppy plant.

The term 'opiates' generally applies to the active alkaloids of the poppy plant and their derivatives. Kratom is special because certain alkaloids in the leaf are opiate receptor agonists, and that characteristic is usually exclusive to things that come from a poppy plant.

in128770
12-01-2012, 04:24
^
Thanks, Oxide, I see what you're saying. I was thinking opiate=opioid. Because, technically it is an opioid. Wouldn't you agree...

DroneLore
12-01-2012, 06:47
How long should one boil the leafs when making tea? Also is it okay to boil vigorously on high heat or should it be more of a simmer?

Oxide
12-01-2012, 17:38
A simmer. Boiling is bad, and will destroy alkaloids.

A low simmer for twenty minutes should suffice when brewing tea.


^
Thanks, Oxide, I see what you're saying. I was thinking opiate=opioid. Because, technically it is an opioid. Wouldn't you agree...

No, I can't say that I would. Kratom is neither opiate, nor opioid. It is a special leaf that deserves a special category. It's not fair to lump Kratom in with opiates/opioids.

Seattle_Stranger
12-01-2012, 19:00
A simmer. Boiling is bad, and will destroy alkaloids.

A low simmer for twenty minutes should suffice when brewing tea.



No, I can't say that I would. Kratom is neither opiate, nor opioid. It is a special leaf that deserves a special category. It's not fair to lump Kratom in with opiates/opioids.

It's not an opiate, but it is an opioid. Opiates are alkaloids that are directly derived from the papver somniferum, like morphine, codeine, and heroin. Opioids are simply alkaloids that have affinity for the opioid receptors, such as DXM, salvia and of course, kratom. I used to think otherwise as well until I actually looked it up. :)

Seattle_Stranger
12-01-2012, 19:08
Just incase anyone is curious, I'd like to share some recently gained experience.

I currently have a goal of tapering off my daily bali kratom habit down to where I feel like I can go over a week without it by April. I've been using for over a year and got up to a point where I was ingesting 30g a day. I started a tapering down process including limiting myself to ONE ~7-10g dose a day, as well as a strict regimen of switching between strains every day so I'm not on bali every single day. So far, this has worked TREMENDOUSLY for my tolerance. Now, that one simply dose keeps me happy all day long again and also, the thought of going days without it is seeming less and less scary. Switching between strains is even making a great deal of the 'magic' return! I think my April deadline will be easily met. :)

Just some data for the masses.

needhelpshakin
12-01-2012, 20:33
is there any difference using capsules instead of drinking it

Fresco
12-01-2012, 20:47
is there any difference using capsules instead of drinking it
Not that I have noticed. Taking it in capsules or tea produces the same buzz with me

Oxide
12-01-2012, 21:26
It's not an opiate, but it is an opioid. Opiates are alkaloids that are directly derived from the papver somniferum, like morphine, codeine, and heroin. Opioids are simply alkaloids that have affinity for the opioid receptors, such as DXM, salvia and of course, kratom. I used to think otherwise as well until I actually looked it up. :)

Yep, you're right. The definition of "opioid" can indeed cover Kratom. Sorry for the confusion, I was giving my opinion more than anything. Ahh, semantics.

DroneLore
13-01-2012, 02:09
A simmer. Boiling is bad, and will destroy alkaloids.

A low simmer for twenty minutes should suffice when brewing tea.

is it necessary to add an acid? Also, would it be okay to just let the leaves be loose in the pan, or is a strainer recommended? I don't have a strainer, so would tea bags work? For simplicities sake, f I can just put them in the pot with the water that'd be nice.

Seattle_Stranger
13-01-2012, 02:43
is there any difference using capsules instead of drinking it

Speed of onset is far slower, duration might be slightly extended, peak of the buzz will be not as 'rushy', etc.. Basically think about it like this: Your stomach has to melt and break down the capsule, then saturate and break down the kratom leaf material, extract the alkaloids and then allow them to seep into your bloodstream, and that's not counting all the other contents of your stomach at the time slowing down the process even further. If you mix the kratom into something like orange juice, you're already eliminating half the break-down process, you're already saturating the powder, and even extracting some of the alkaloids out into the liquid already, so by the time it hits your stomach, you're already absorbing the opioid, even if there are contents in your stomach already.

Same concept if you were to take a bunch of vicodin, crush it up and drop it into water and drink. You're getting the exact same amount of drug, but you will feel it MUCH MUCH quicker and the peak will be stronger than if you simply swallowed the pills whole.

Make sense?

Hobbit2011
13-01-2012, 02:59
Kratom is awesome! I bought some thai green vein kratom about a week ago and it was a very nice substance to reasearch in my lab.

ErgicMergic
13-01-2012, 03:27
^So you gave up your ring but now youre messing with Kratom? Samwise would be disappointed. 8)

highhooked
13-01-2012, 05:04
People are always saying that if you have any type of opiate tolerance kratom will be a waste. I can snort 20mg of opana no problem without even catching a nod. Then i take just 5 grams of maeng da kratom in the morning on an empty stomach and achieve a fantastic buzz with lots of energy along with a substantial moodlift. I guess it just depends on the person or what type of buzz they are looking for. I actually prefer the kratom buzz to opana. Although the opana is obviously more strong i honestly recieve more of a moodlift from kratom and actually prefer it. Just putting that out there so people arnt so quick to toss kratom aside because it is a FANTASTIC herb.

AMKR
13-01-2012, 06:54
I used to be able to stomach large ammounts of kratom - but recently I've been getting nausea from as little as 4 g's (weighed out in gel caps). I've been downing some lime juice before the caps and taking smaller ammounts, seems to have helped. I think it might be this current batch.

ErgicMergic
13-01-2012, 09:05
Just putting that out there so people arnt so quick to toss kratom aside because it is a FANTASTIC herb.

Kratom is amazing, up there with Cannabis as the two top gifts from mother nature :D

needhelpshakin
13-01-2012, 14:56
Speed of onset is far slower, duration might be slightly extended, peak of the buzz will be not as 'rushy', etc.. Basically think about it like this: Your stomach has to melt and break down the capsule, then saturate and break down the kratom leaf material, extract the alkaloids and then allow them to seep into your bloodstream, and that's not counting all the other contents of your stomach at the time slowing down the process even further. If you mix the kratom into something like orange juice, you're already eliminating half the break-down process, you're already saturating the powder, and even extracting some of the alkaloids out into the liquid already, so by the time it hits your stomach, you're already absorbing the opioid, even if there are contents in your stomach already.

Same concept if you were to take a bunch of vicodin, crush it up and drop it into water and drink. You're getting the exact same amount of drug, but you will feel it MUCH MUCH quicker and the peak will be stronger than if you simply swallowed the pills whole.

Make sense?

hey u seem to have the knowlegde i am looking for. very new to this so if say something wrong very sorry. trying to self detox from opiates. have done at home regimen of bupes for a week and have only seem to prolong wds. heard of kratom. just ordered some capsules. any advice how to use. please help.

Fresco
13-01-2012, 16:12
hey u seem to have the knowlegde i am looking for. very new to this so if say something wrong very sorry. trying to self detox from opiates. have done at home regimen of bupes for a week and have only seem to prolong wds. heard of kratom. just ordered some capsules. any advice how to use. please help
I only have experience in codeine WD's, but I took about 3 grams of non-extract kratom powder every hour for the first 3 days of WD (which are the worst). I also took 4 mg of loperamide every 2 hours or so.

Your WD should be greatly reduced to the point where you can go to work like normal.

Also kratom will cause some WD itself, but you can use phenibut to ease those WD's again.
An then...LOL..the phenibut will cause some WD's also, but you use GABA to WD from that again :)

GABA doesnt cause any WD, so you're ok after that

Fresco
13-01-2012, 16:14
Just incase anyone is curious, I'd like to share some recently gained experience.

I currently have a goal of tapering off my daily bali kratom habit down to where I feel like I can go over a week without it by April. I've been using for over a year and got up to a point where I was ingesting 30g a day. I started a tapering down process including limiting myself to ONE ~7-10g dose a day, as well as a strict regimen of switching between strains every day so I'm not on bali every single day. So far, this has worked TREMENDOUSLY for my tolerance. Now, that one simply dose keeps me happy all day long again and also, the thought of going days without it is seeming less and less scary. Switching between strains is even making a great deal of the 'magic' return!
Just curious, but which strains aside form Bali do you use to beat tolerance??
And how many consecutive days do you stay on each strain??

highhooked
13-01-2012, 17:18
^ 3 grams every hour is a very excessive amount. Say your up for 12 hours that 36 grams of kratom? No way man.

To needhelpshakin there is tons of information around here about using kratom for opiate withdrawl so just do a little searching and you will be amazed. Bluelight is a great place to be apart of. But yes seattle stranger is very experienced with kratom.

Ergicmergic...I have literally said the same thing before! Although i still think marijuana triumphs haha.

needhelpshakin
13-01-2012, 18:32
3 grams every hour does seem to be a bit much, not sure if that would be the right dose for me. what is a good first dose? i have been reading different posts on here and it is all very helpful and yet at the same time i am so confused. if i use kratom then i need to use something else to get off the kratom? how long could i use it before catching a habit, or gonna have withdrawls from it? god i am so scared and confused. anyone with any advice i would greatly appreciate it. i ordered maeng thai capsules. should i of ordered something else? i just want it to end. i tried using bupes for past week and dont think it was the right choice for me. How long should i wait in between last dose of bupe and first dose of kratom? I know these r alot of questions and i hope i didnt break any of the rules. please if any one can help me.

Fresco
13-01-2012, 18:37
3 grams every hour works well for me, but then again I'm a fairly big guy with kratom tolerance.

All you have to do is just develop a feel for how often you take 3 grams, for you every 2 to 4 hours might be best

Wolfmans_BrothEr
13-01-2012, 18:41
3 grams every hour does seem to be a bit much, not sure if that would be the right dose for me. what is a good first dose? i have been reading different posts on here and it is all very helpful and yet at the same time i am so confused. if i use kratom then i need to use something else to get off the kratom? how long could i use it before catching a habit, or gonna have withdrawls from it? god i am so scared and confused. anyone with any advice i would greatly appreciate it. i ordered maeng thai capsules. should i of ordered something else? i just want it to end. i tried using bupes for past week and dont think it was the right choice for me. How long should i wait in between last dose of bupe and first dose of kratom? I know these r alot of questions and i hope i didnt break any of the rules. please if any one can help me.

If youve ever experience full blown opiate w.d then kratom w.d a piece of cake. The best way to not get dependent or develop a tolerance is to take it a few times a week or even only a few times a month. Also don't get too into extracts. There's a lot of info on what your asking throuout this thread and google

Something I haven't found a lot about is eating AFTER kratom. I found one other forum where a few people claim it increases the effect eating an hour or so after dosing, but was seeing if anyone here has any experience doing it. I'm about to try it right after I finish posting this so if anyone cares I'll get back to you

DexterMeth
13-01-2012, 20:20
Yep, you're right. The definition of "opioid" can indeed cover Kratom. Sorry for the confusion, I was giving my opinion more than anything. Ahh, semantics.

My opinion is that is should remain legal. It's not an opiate or opiod.
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Oxide
13-01-2012, 21:13
^exactly why I would prefer it not be called an opioid.


is it necessary to add an acid? Also, would it be okay to just let the leaves be loose in the pan, or is a strainer recommended? I don't have a strainer, so would tea bags work? For simplicities sake, f I can just put them in the pot with the water that'd be nice.

Teabags are the only way to go, IMO. Buy "fill-your-own" teabags from any local health food store. I usually use 1tsp of powdered leaf per bag. Straining it is such a pain in the ass I don't see how I managed to make the tea before I started using teabags.

Using lemon juice is preferable, as it helps extract the goodies from the leaf. But, it is not a dealbreaker if you don't have any around.



Something I haven't found a lot about is eating AFTER kratom. I found one other forum where a few people claim it increases the effect eating an hour or so after dosing, but was seeing if anyone here has any experience doing it. I'm about to try it right after I finish posting this so if anyone cares I'll get back to you

I wouldn't expect any miracles as far as "effect increasing." It is nice to satisfy that hunger pain as it all kicks in, though.


3 grams every hour does seem to be a bit much, not sure if that would be the right dose for me. what is a good first dose? i have been reading different posts on here and it is all very helpful and yet at the same time i am so confused. if i use kratom then i need to use something else to get off the kratom? how long could i use it before catching a habit, or gonna have withdrawls from it? god i am so scared and confused. anyone with any advice i would greatly appreciate it. i ordered maeng thai capsules. should i of ordered something else? i just want it to end. i tried using bupes for past week and dont think it was the right choice for me. How long should i wait in between last dose of bupe and first dose of kratom? I know these r alot of questions and i hope i didnt break any of the rules. please if any one can help me.

The capsules, as with anything that is coming pre-packaged, have a huge markup. Best to buy regular bulk leaf.

Use the least amount you possibly can as least often as you possibly can, but also don't needlessly suffer.

3 grams (approx. 1tsp of powdered leaf) is a generally good starting point. Loperamide will do you a lot of good too.

DroneLore
14-01-2012, 03:26
Is it okay to mix kratom and alcohol? Two hours ago I drank my first cup of kratom tea (had never tried crushed leaf before, only extracts. 9.6 g of bali). I ate some of the plant matter after drinking the tea but decided against eating most of it. It's not as powerful I was expecting, perhaps I did not efficiently brew the tea. Anyway, if I want to crack open a beer in an hour or two, will it hurt?

Fresco
14-01-2012, 03:55
Is it okay to mix kratom and alcohol? Two hours ago I drank my first cup of kratom tea (had never tried crushed leaf before, only extracts. 9.6 g of bali). I ate some of the plant matter after drinking the tea but decided against eating most of it. It's not as powerful I was expecting, perhaps I did not efficiently brew the tea. Anyway, if I want to crack open a beer in an hour or two, will it hurt?
Are you kidding, alcohol adds to the kratom buzz. Quite nicely too.

Forget about brewing kratom tea though, get the powder non-extract and drink beer with that

thevines2
14-01-2012, 04:12
hmm ive been considering using kratom for my back pain i have a lot of trouble sleeping because of along with pain and what not and ive had problems with opiate addiction and i find my downfall to always getting back into them because of my back pain i end up doing a hydocodone or something and end up back in it. i messed up a few discs in my back a few years back and it doesnt stop hurting. now thats ive typed a small essay what strain would anyone recommend for back pain?

ive had a few people tell me kratom kills pain better for them then the opiate pharmies and doesnt make them fiend out

romania2k10
14-01-2012, 04:26
Kratom for what it is, is awesome. The fact that you can get such great results strictly from plant leaves is pretty cool. I have had many experiences with kratom and the only thing that I don't like about it is how fast you build a tolerance to it. It helped me get off heroin and has sustained me in my times of pain and stress. Anyone who is looking at kratom as a alternate to say percosets or vicodins, I would say go with the kratom.