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heroin318
19-09-2010, 08:03
Hello everyone,

Here is my dilemma, I'm 5'4" and about 240 lbs...basically a little chubby. In the past few weeks, I have been attempting to inject versus snorting. Oh...just to let you know...I'm new to a lot of the terms used nowadays (i.e. IMO, Subs etc.) so you'll have to bare with me a bit. I had a stint with heroin 12 years ago and just picked it up again within the past few months. At that time where I lived, you could get three to four good lines out of one bag. Now where I am, the bags and potency are not as good.

So...I have a co-worker who re-introduced me to my old friend and showed me the ropes on how to inject. Here are my problems that I would appreciate no joke, helpful answers to:

1) Due to my weight, I'm having difficulty finding veins. I have been bruising myself all over. With my physical condition, where would be the best places to inject and with out it being easily noticeable?

2) At times when I think I've hit a vein or if I actually do, I attempt to draw it back to see blood to ensure I hit the right spot. If I don't see blood on the first draw back, I take the steps of pulling the needle out slowly, moving it around, pushing it back in, drawing back some more, but I eventually end up pulling the needle out completely, then the blood goes into the needle and the spot bleeds, so I go back and try and miss completely and just inject it out of frustration. How do I get the draw to work properly or how do I do it properly so I know I've hit my mark?

3) My co-worker, when showing me how to do this, hit a vein on me, and it was difficult for him. He went through the standard way of injecting, drew back, found blood and injected. Within 10 seconds it hit me. Since then I have not been able to accomplish what he did. So, if I continue to attempt to find a vein without success, I end up hoping I hit one and inject, Most of the times I don't. I feel "good" but nothing like I remember and nothing like that day he helped me. So am I wasting the heroin if I don't hit a vein?

I apologize this is so lengthy, but I have been all over the internet and have not found any answers and my co-worker just can't figure out what I'm doing wrong or how to help.

Eagerly waiting for responses via email,

herion318

30roxi30
19-09-2010, 08:37
geeze.... sorry your having troble but DONT inject unless your sure you are in a vain !!! must be sore if your not hitting a vain... the best advice i think i could give you is tie off at you bicep ans try to hit in the crook of you elbow even if you cant see or feel its there in both arms and most likely in the middle just go in at a 90 degree angle ..... i can no longer see my vains cause i fucked them up but i know were to put the needle ...once you find it you should be one happy camper ... but i must say your co-worker is a dick to get you back into this hell

heroin318
19-09-2010, 10:10
Some times it's painful...other times it isn't. If I don't feel pain, and it bleeds, does that mean I hit a vein? I noticed that you typed "DONT" bold...is it bad to inject without the vein? I figured it would pretty much be like a person injecting steroids...they would still get the affect. I can't blame him. I'm an adult an could have said no. When you say a 90 degree angle, you mean straight down, or slightly angled?

Captain.Heroin
19-09-2010, 10:16
I would have your friend help you out, and snort when you can't have him help you.

You can practice with sterile water, but that's all I would do for now. It takes a lot of tries to get the process of injecting by yourself down.

I think that the easiest veins to see on you will be ones you want to use a fine gauge needle for (31G ideally) - your hands/wrists. You might be able to see some veins in your arms but if not then your hands/wrists are probably best. Larger gauged needles won't work as well for these veins because they aren't that large to begin with.

There is also a good vein that runs down the top of your forearm, see if you can feel for it first with your fingers.

Make sure to be in a warm environment, with plenty of light to help you see.

30roxi30
19-09-2010, 10:30
if your not in the vain you must be getting abscesses missed shots are not good


heres a thread that should help you out alot its the IV mega thread.... http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=440892

be safe and you should really double think this do you really want to go down this path again ... i feel like you used to only sniff dope 12 years ago and seems like your co-worker got you to shoot ... im not trying to preach but picking up a needle can bring you down hill fast as i know .. on of my favorite saying "track marks lead you in the wrong direction fast"

jackie jones
19-09-2010, 10:54
Just do not get desperate and start digging for veins, especially since you are new at this. You could hit an artery. Like Captain H said, use ones that are clearly visible and a high gauge needle. Remember to be sterile with your procedure as well.

ILikeSub
19-09-2010, 13:14
I would have your friend help you out, and snort when you can't have him help you.

You can practice with sterile water, but that's all I would do for now. It takes a lot of tries to get the process of injecting by yourself down.

I think that the easiest veins to see on you will be ones you want to use a fine gauge needle for (31G ideally) - your hands/wrists. You might be able to see some veins in your arms but if not then your hands/wrists are probably best. Larger gauged needles won't work as well for these veins because they aren't that large to begin with.

There is also a good vein that runs down the top of your forearm, see if you can feel for it first with your fingers.

Make sure to be in a warm environment, with plenty of light to help you see.


I heard that shooting into your wrist veins is VERY dangerous...

heroin318
19-09-2010, 13:19
30roxi30 that link was very helpful thank you. I think I did originally dig for veins jackie, I'm guessing that is the cause of the intense bruising I have (which is now healing).

Thank you all

Captain.Heroin
19-09-2010, 14:17
I heard that shooting into your wrist veins is VERY dangerous...

Shooting in the extremities is always more dangerous than not, for a variety of reasons. However there are similar risks whenever you choose to shoot period. It's hard to avoid any of them.

For someone who can't see their veins well, they are going to have the most luck in their hands/wrists. There are arteries close by, just like your groin and feet and neck (though people also use these even less desirable places for injection).

heroin318
19-09-2010, 18:04
Captain...I see the veins best on the tops of my feet and wrists. I thought I hit a good one today on my foot, but again no blood on draw back. When I began to pull the needle out of my foot, blood starting going into the syringe and my foot bled, by then I had the needle practically out at that point. When it bleeds it means I hit a vein, right? Because I tried the vein on my bicep, and I can't get to it, when I pulled the needle out there was no blood.

totach
19-09-2010, 18:21
i do not think just cuz theres blood when you take it out that you hit a vein. When u draw back n theres blood then u hit.When u said b4 that u got it good in your foot but the needle was almost out that woulda bin fine u shoulda just shot it then if it was still in. That happens to me alot when im about to take out the needle n im like oh shit blood so i stop n i shoot it doesnt matter how deep in ur skin is the needle.Anyways tho u should try avoiding the feet cuz if u miss ur foot will swel up like a baloon n it will hurt 2 walk.So u gotta make sure u hit when ur shooting there.N by the way it is dangerous to miss shots dont do it out of frustrauion cuz 1.its dangerous 2.you wont get high anyways its just a waste.

Znegative
19-09-2010, 18:48
I cant really relate because I'm more on the anorexic side, but the trick is to go in at a shallow angle, if your going for the crook in the elbow. the vein is not deep, which is why when you pull all the way out a little blood goes through your rig. you're probably going through the vein. Also, sometimes you have to dig around a bit with rolling veins.

heroin318
19-09-2010, 20:21
totach...see now my co-worker said even if i miss I'll still get high, it will just take longer, and when he told me that i looked it up on Wikipedia and it says that you will still get high, it will travel through the capillaries if you miss a vein, but you may lose some of the effect in the process versus right into the vein...I wondered why I wasn't getting that same feeling from the time he did it for me. I'm just getting so frustrated because I don't want it to be a waist, I'm bruised up from when I first started trying, they are now healing and I'm not bruising anymore for some reason, so I may be doing something right in that aspect...I think I'm going to take the advice of Captain.Heroin and resort back to snorting it for awhile and practice with sterile water injecting until I get it down...

Znegative when you say "shallow angle" what do you mean? Could you elaborate on that for me? I never thought I could be going through the vein...should I possibly not stick the entire needle all the way down, then try drawing back and seeing what happens? If I get blood, but the needle is only half way in, I can do what totach said...I thought this whole time the needle had to be ALL the way in. Maybe that is my entire problem right there.

affasd
20-09-2010, 03:25
by shallow angle he means instead of aiming down into your arm aim more parallel with your arm so the needle isnt going in as deep. most of the veins on your hand and arm are real close to the surface. make sure the hole is facing up also.

I would do what Capt. H said and get the smallest gauge you can find and hit in the top of your hand, tie off on your lower forearm and flex a bit. I have a heavier friend and that is the easiest way to hit him is in his hand. But make sure to use the smallest gauge needle and especially in the hand you need to go in at a very shallow angle.

xxl
20-09-2010, 13:23
I would have your friend help you out ... Plus, the friend who injects should use gloves when injecting. For forensic reasons.

Teonanactylln'
20-09-2010, 13:42
try shooting an orange w/water. the key is feeling that second membrane. Go through the skin of the orange, and be very careful... work the needle gently until you feel the needle going through the skin of the actual fruit (the second layer of skin.) until you know what breaking through that second, delicate membrane feels like, don't jab yourself with a point. otherwise you'll end up black and blue, and shooting won't be worth the increased rush.

The orange method is how they taught nurses 40 years ago, but the method works like a charm.

There's also the possibility that IV just doesn't make sense for you. I had a larger friend, and she decided it was only worth it if someone with experience could do it for her.

maybe your body is just telling you to try a different method?

totach
20-09-2010, 22:03
when i said waste i ment more like ur not gonna get the rush you are looking for. Its still going into ur body so lets say if u are sick it should help get rid of w/d's but dont expect to get "high" from a missed shot.By the way i also had to go thru what u r when i first started shooting .The secret was what someone said b4 when u put the needle in dont point it down try to go just alittle under ur skin or you will go right thru the vein.Also if u wanna practice just use water n draw back u dont need to inject the water(well that was kinda obvious but said it just incase).Another thing for me in the beggining it was alot easier for me to use the 5/16 needle tip as opposed to the half inch ones.

fentfentfent
21-09-2010, 01:13
what about your femoral? my dealer was a huge (350+lbs) and that was the only vein she could hit.

intheb0x
21-09-2010, 01:40
Anybody can say no, but being around such a drug that pulls you back in isnt really cool at all, the smell... the taste... its what pulls u back no matter what...

just be careful.

heroin318
21-09-2010, 02:49
To affasd - thank you, the hole pointed up, I didn't know you had to do that.

To Teonanactylln' - the orange thing is a GREAT idea. I'm going to try that. Getting the feel for that vein will help tremendously.

To totach - I don't even know what gauge this needle is...I have a diabetic friend who sells clean ones to me. It doesn't look like a half inch by eye, I'm going to measure an old one and see what it is. I just don't know where to buy them. The state I'm in, you need a prescription to buy needles. There the needle exchange places, but they are all up in the city and I don't have the time with the way my schedule is to run up there to exchange one needle for another every couple of days.

To fentfentfent - what is the femoral?

guilhas
22-09-2010, 08:00
hand, back of the arm, feet?

Georgie25
22-09-2010, 09:34
.

To fentfentfent - what is the femoral?

a vein a beginner should NEVER try to hit.

BlueberryfishY
22-09-2010, 09:50
Znegative when you say "shallow angle" what do you mean? Could you elaborate on that for me? I never thought I could be going through the vein...should I possibly not stick the entire needle all the way down, then try drawing back and seeing what happens? If I get blood, but the needle is only half way in, I can do what totach said...I thought this whole time the needle had to be ALL the way in. Maybe that is my entire problem right there.


Oh, my, god.8o


face palm.

phatass
22-09-2010, 12:22
the way you hold the needle are essential to get the draw-back.... could you not watch a friend in'ing... don't go with "the feel".... practic with saline ater.. until you findn your problem with your needle... i used to to go inn blind.... very dangerous... my doc told me the way to hold needles....

but i havn't iv'ed in a while, coz every place seems to be filled with corn starch, and scar tissue... IMO dont go for tthe veins in yur necck (too obvious), your dick, (coz if it goes pair shaped, your FUCKED) and in the vein betwen your legs.. also very dangerous if ou din't know exact spot) nd you could hit your feoral artery.. very dabge

187coopa
22-09-2010, 15:52
Iv is fail in the long run.

lose some weight if u really wanna poke ur body and feel good for 2 hours.

Morphoid
22-12-2010, 00:39
Znegative when you say "shallow angle" what do you mean? Could you elaborate on that for me? I never thought I could be going through the vein...should I possibly not stick the entire needle all the way down, then try drawing back and seeing what happens? If I get blood, but the needle is only half way in, I can do what totach said...I thought this whole time the needle had to be ALL the way in. Maybe that is my entire problem right there.

Oh - my - fucking - life.

Seriously mate, stop right away. You're going to do yourself serious damage if you carry on trying to shoot with such little knowledge, seriously. I'm a GP and I have trouble registering my own veins, after nearly 8 years of experience.

Do as Captain.Heroin says, stick to snorting until you have to switch back to the needle, then get your 'friend' to help you and tutor you from there if you need to.

Serious mate, be careful, you're going to end up with an abscess and losing limbs if you carry on like this.

cire113
22-12-2010, 01:22
It's hard man,.,,, i can finally iv but sometimes I'll miss 2 or 3 times in a row... You will know what it feels like when u hit a vein .... Make sure ur going parallel I was going way too deep at first

cire113
22-12-2010, 01:39
On a side note I can never get rid of this one air bubble that always forms at top or rig I tap it squirt some the bubble near the top never goes away... Everyshot always has this tiny air bubble of course I never inject it but it's disconcerting

Georgie25
22-12-2010, 02:21
On a side note I can never get rid of this one air bubble that always forms at top or rig I tap it squirt some the bubble near the top never goes away... Everyshot always has this tiny air bubble of course I never inject it but it's disconcerting

IVing air bubbles wont hurt you. Every shot Ive ever injected has had air bubbles, some even 10-20 units of air. The only way air can cause harm if it is IV'd in huge amounts, way more than a single 1cc syringe can hold. So unless you're injecting 100 units of air, dont worry about air bubbles.

cire113
22-12-2010, 03:57
Oh I thought if you iv air bubbles u could like instantly die or something lol

Well that's reassuring

Janja
22-12-2010, 04:56
IVing air bubbles wont hurt you. Every shot Ive ever injected has had air bubbles, some even 10-20 units of air. The only way air can cause harm if it is IV'd in huge amounts, way more than a single 1cc syringe can hold. So unless you're injecting 100 units of air, dont worry about air bubbles.

Yea but you shouldn't be just IVing 10-20 units of air. That's just lazy, no? :D

Gummybearkatie
22-12-2010, 05:04
I majorly screwed up my arms by not knowing how to shoot properly. Now those veins don't work anymore and it's frustrating because I could really use those spots nowadays. You'll regret it if you mess up your best chances because you didn't learn the right way. Plus just jabbing the needle in and not finding the vein just dulls the point and hurts.

I had a weird tweaker friend that said he could put the point in and be in the vein, he was that good, and turns out he never even pulled up on the plunger, and had big bumps where he missed :O

I had to have friends shoot me the first few times and teach me. I hope you can find someone if you choose to continue trying the needle. It can be really scary if you are alone and you hit something you shouldn't and your skin turns whitish and puffs up! Hell, save IVing for when you can't get high/well from other ways anymore.

Oh and there's no reason to have more than 5 units of air bubble in the barrel. I didn't like risking pushing out a drop of my shot, but I was able to get it close.

DexysMidnightRuner
22-12-2010, 06:59
yeah man. like your doing more damage then good. just have your friend do it for you. if you watch where your friend puts it, then that should give you a general idea. and really? your really pushing the needle all the way in?! you should have read IV Mega Thread (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=487276) it will give you a lot of information and a lot of harm reduction.

and if you just recently started again, why would you go straight to IV? just stick to sniffing for now. only shoot if your tolerance goes back up.

Georgie25
22-12-2010, 07:36
Yea but you shouldn't be just IVing 10-20 units of air. That's just lazy, no? :D

Lol, that only happened once when I was in a rush..and another time when I was digging for a vein and pulling back lots of times and finally registered. %)

John_Burrows
22-12-2010, 10:29
Wow, this sounds like natural selection hard at work.

In my crazy, perfect world, anyone who is about to "cross the line" and get into IV drugs is so scared shitless that they automatically do as much reading and research as possible so they are as well prepared as possible.

You said you did a lot of reading but couldn't find any answers - but clearly you failed to even notice the thread called "THE IV MEGA THREAD" where many of the points you've brought up would have been addressed. In addition, just typing "iv drug safety" into google would return a butt load of good advice.

So clearly you aren't that scared of the needle and may even have a death wish. I guess if I was 5'4 and 240 lbs I'd want to die too.

But if you'd rather let drugs ease the pain of existence while you get some exercise and eat less, do yourself a favor and STOP INJECTING until you've exhaustively researched what you're doing.

Here's one tip: do NOT just shove the whole needle into your arm and pull back hoping for a register; if you think you're over a vein, stick the needle in just enough to break the surface (maybe an eighth of an inch tops), then draw back AND HOLD IT - you probably won't see any blood yet, but you've now created a vacuum in the syringe which is now patiently waiting for something to suck up. NOW slowly push the needle down and if it meets a vein, you'll see the syringe fill with blood and now you're in.

This technique takes some of the guesswork out of it. As long as you know the location of the vein, this trick means you won't have to guess at how deep (or shallow) the vein is. Just break the surface, pull back and slowly push in. This has made it SO much easier for me to register, since the hardest thing for me was trying to guess how deep to push in. Now I don't have to worry about it.

As others have said, given your weight, the tops of the hands or inside side of the wrist might be your best bet. I'd advise against the feet, it's one of the worst places to inject (and, no offense, but i'd guess all that bending over to even get to your feet is quite a chore).

Stick to your arms and hands and educate yourself before you try again.

Read the megathread. Look online for the PDF of safe injecting.

And lay off the Twinkies.

darkvein
22-12-2010, 18:51
Wow, this sounds like natural selection hard at work.

In my crazy, perfect world, anyone who is about to "cross the line" and get into IV drugs is so scared shitless that they automatically do as much reading and research as possible so they are as well prepared as possible.

You said you did a lot of reading but couldn't find any answers - but clearly you failed to even notice the thread called "THE IV MEGA THREAD" where many of the points you've brought up would have been addressed. In addition, just typing "iv drug safety" into google would return a butt load of good advice.

So clearly you aren't that scared of the needle and may even have a death wish. I guess if I was 5'4 and 240 lbs I'd want to die too.

But if you'd rather let drugs ease the pain of existence while you get some exercise and eat less, do yourself a favor and STOP INJECTING until you've exhaustively researched what you're doing.

Here's one tip: do NOT just shove the whole needle into your arm and pull back hoping for a register; if you think you're over a vein, stick the needle in just enough to break the surface (maybe an eighth of an inch tops), then draw back AND HOLD IT - you probably won't see any blood yet, but you've now created a vacuum in the syringe which is now patiently waiting for something to suck up. NOW slowly push the needle down and if it meets a vein, you'll see the syringe fill with blood and now you're in.

This technique takes some of the guesswork out of it. As long as you know the location of the vein, this trick means you won't have to guess at how deep (or shallow) the vein is. Just break the surface, pull back and slowly push in. This has made it SO much easier for me to register, since the hardest thing for me was trying to guess how deep to push in. Now I don't have to worry about it.

As others have said, given your weight, the tops of the hands or inside side of the wrist might be your best bet. I'd advise against the feet, it's one of the worst places to inject (and, no offense, but i'd guess all that bending over to even get to your feet is quite a chore).

Stick to your arms and hands and educate yourself before you try again.

Read the megathread. Look online for the PDF of safe injecting.

And lay off the Twinkies.

That is some very helpful information, surrounded by a lot of rude comments. How disgusting that you are talking to someone like that, who only wanted some help. You have no idea why this person weighs what he does, and you poking nasty comments isn't going to help him in his poking. Grow up, John.

That being said, I've never really had too many issues shooting up... And I'm thin. But here are some tips to hopefully help.... 1st of all, get warm, possibly even try in the shower, this will help your veins pop. 2nd, definately go for the hands and wrists. 3. if it bleeds it doesn't mean you are in, if there is blood going into the syringe, it does 4. ALWAYS pull back a bit before you start digging, but after you've actually put the needle in just a bit, then you can have a vaccuum pocket to fill up with blood to let you know you've registered, as the rude John burrows has stated. this is KEY! VERY IMPORTANT 5. try tying off halfway between your elbow and wrist, just a bit closer to the wrist than not and 6. look at the underside of your arm, near your wrist... slap the area hard a few times, and feel around. the areas where there is a vein will be sort of springy, you should be able to feel the veins even if you can't see them, 7. 45 degree angle -
so recap just stick it in a little, then pull back, then start to slowly push it (needle not plunger) in a little at a time, til you see blood enter syringe, then stop and push the plunger, don't jack it off, its not necessary (pull blood back into the rig and re-inject) wa-la you've just hit yourself if you want I'll take some pictures of myself doing it for you step by step

disclaimer- I don't really think this is a good idea but i don't want you to lose an arm and your obviously set on doing it, that's why I'm helping. IMO you should NOT inject your drugs (i know i'm a hypocrite)

cire113
22-12-2010, 19:26
also once you get good you will be able to feel what its like to enter your vein.... Its very smooth like... Also a good tip is to feel your vein with your fingers so you know where its at.... I dont do the suction tip i usually just enter and i know when im in register then unload..... I would also not reccomend inserting then digging around searching for the vein.. just exit and re enter.....

Its definetly not easy it takes alot of practice.....

and John real rude man

stuckinaloop
22-12-2010, 21:17
Wow, this sounds like natural selection hard at work.

In my crazy, perfect world, anyone who is about to "cross the line" and get into IV drugs is so scared shitless that they automatically do as much reading and research as possible so they are as well prepared as possible.

You said you did a lot of reading but couldn't find any answers - but clearly you failed to even notice the thread called "THE IV MEGA THREAD" where many of the points you've brought up would have been addressed. In addition, just typing "iv drug safety" into google would return a butt load of good advice.

So clearly you aren't that scared of the needle and may even have a death wish. I guess if I was 5'4 and 240 lbs I'd want to die too.

But if you'd rather let drugs ease the pain of existence while you get some exercise and eat less, do yourself a favor and STOP INJECTING until you've exhaustively researched what you're doing.

Here's one tip: do NOT just shove the whole needle into your arm and pull back hoping for a register; if you think you're over a vein, stick the needle in just enough to break the surface (maybe an eighth of an inch tops), then draw back AND HOLD IT - you probably won't see any blood yet, but you've now created a vacuum in the syringe which is now patiently waiting for something to suck up. NOW slowly push the needle down and if it meets a vein, you'll see the syringe fill with blood and now you're in.

This technique takes some of the guesswork out of it. As long as you know the location of the vein, this trick means you won't have to guess at how deep (or shallow) the vein is. Just break the surface, pull back and slowly push in. This has made it SO much easier for me to register, since the hardest thing for me was trying to guess how deep to push in. Now I don't have to worry about it.

As others have said, given your weight, the tops of the hands or inside side of the wrist might be your best bet. I'd advise against the feet, it's one of the worst places to inject (and, no offense, but i'd guess all that bending over to even get to your feet is quite a chore).

Stick to your arms and hands and educate yourself before you try again.

Read the megathread. Look online for the PDF of safe injecting.

And lay off the Twinkies.
asshole...fuckin major asshole

Gummybearkatie
22-12-2010, 21:44
I usually muscled my dope, but your muscles disolve over time. My ass is missing a chunk.

Inverted/flattened buttcheeks or bruises, abcesses and scarred veins, the choice is yours!

John_Burrows
23-12-2010, 12:03
It's called tough love folks, look it up. I don't sugar coat things and pat people on the head and tell them everything will be ok.

But for all my sarcasm, I'm a lot more helpful on this board than 90% of the idiots who post, including the OP of this thread who's digging holes in his arm BEFORE properly educating himself. You might as well take a handful of pills THEN come on here and ask about proper dosage.

Sometimes people need a slap. But go ahead and look at my posting history and then come back and tell me what a terrible person I am.

John_Burrows
23-12-2010, 23:25
He's 5'4, 240 lbs and referred to himself as "a little chubby." Sorry, but that's not a little chubby, that is obese and in itself a life threatening condition. So not only is he stabbing himself in the arm with a hypodermic needle while blindfolded, he's in denial about his weight issue.

You're damn right I bitch slapped him about it - he came here asking for help and, as usual, most members respond with a smile and a hug. I chose to opt out of the group hug and help him my way because I don't believe cuddles are going to motivate him.

If you discovered your best friend had gained 100 lbs and was shooting dope AND was so poorly educated about needles they were basically on the verge of suicide, would you just pat them on the head and say "oh, sweetie, you're doing that all wrong, let me show you the right way to inject yourself"?

I sure hope not.

amnesiaseizure
24-12-2010, 12:41
I can't help but agree with what some others have said on here - you really should NOT be shooting up with such little knowledge. What are you doing??

It doesn't take long to research the best methods and you seem to have NO idea what you're doing! Not knowing that the hole should be facing upwards, not knowing what a shallow angle is, being confused about how to register I mean for f**ks sake, you're a liability.

Just spend some time reading up on good injection technique before you go any further.

lozgod
24-12-2010, 13:43
Heroin is ruining my life and I hate to volunteer info to someone else on how to ruin their's but here it is, I can hit veins without tying off and I am not "veiny". I know where the veins are. Crook of the elbow is easiest but abusing it will leave a track mark and I hate track marks. There's another thick vein that runs along side the upper inside of your wrist. It's uncomfortable poking around but they are your two best bets. As someone else said, try tying off at the bicep, if no luck try tying off in the middle of your forearm and see if they pop up from the wrist or hands.

benzico
24-12-2010, 14:34
Never never never never ever inject unless your sure your in. injecting out of frustrationis just pure insane dude! sort it out. i think you need an exsperianced user to help you untill you can find a few veins you can get on your that you can swap between. dont just find one vein you can get then bang uo in it every time cas your soon mess that vein up man. thats rule number one dont go in unless your sure ya in a vein, take your time and find a way thats comfatable for you to keep rock steady as you draw back and push in. sounds like ya not ready to go solo. also 4 lines off a ten bag? get 25 to 30 lines off a ten bag over here on the foil (bout 8-9 inches each line). good luck though with finding them elusive H carrying vessles.

KS78
24-12-2010, 14:38
I found about this a while ago because the citric acid messed up most of my veins. Could help; I haven't got one yet.
Sorry I can't give the exact source so just search for "Veinlite". It's a device that shows your veins basically.

benzico
25-12-2010, 12:13
You are so not ready to shoot op and on top of that its gonna be hard for you to find good veins. You need a long term iv user who knows what there doing to show you the way. i did and shooting in dark like you are is crazy man!

django47
25-12-2010, 13:10
Hello everyone,

Here is my dilemma, I'm 5'4" and about 240 lbs...basically a little chubby. In the past few weeks, I have been attempting to inject versus snorting. Oh...just to let you know...I'm new to a lot of the terms used nowadays (i.e. IMO, Subs etc.) so you'll have to bare with me a bit. I had a stint with heroin 12 years ago and just picked it up again within the past few months. At that time where I lived, you could get three to four good lines out of one bag. Now where I am, the bags and potency are not as good.

So...I have a co-worker who re-introduced me to my old friend and showed me the ropes on how to inject. Here are my problems that I would appreciate no joke, helpful answers to:

1) Due to my weight, I'm having difficulty finding veins. I have been bruising myself all over. With my physical condition, where would be the best places to inject and with out it being easily noticeable?

2) At times when I think I've hit a vein or if I actually do, I attempt to draw it back to see blood to ensure I hit the right spot. If I don't see blood on the first draw back, I take the steps of pulling the needle out slowly, moving it around, pushing it back in, drawing back some more, but I eventually end up pulling the needle out completely, then the blood goes into the needle and the spot bleeds, so I go back and try and miss completely and just inject it out of frustration. How do I get the draw to work properly or how do I do it properly so I know I've hit my mark?

3) My co-worker, when showing me how to do this, hit a vein on me, and it was difficult for him. He went through the standard way of injecting, drew back, found blood and injected. Within 10 seconds it hit me. Since then I have not been able to accomplish what he did. So, if I continue to attempt to find a vein without success, I end up hoping I hit one and inject, Most of the times I don't. I feel "good" but nothing like I remember and nothing like that day he helped me. So am I wasting the heroin if I don't hit a vein?

I apologize this is so lengthy, but I have been all over the internet and have not found any answers and my co-worker just can't figure out what I'm doing wrong or how to help.

Eagerly waiting for responses via email,

herion318

Hi 'H318', merry christmas and I'm sorry you are having trouble getting a hit, maybe it's an omen telling you not to get started on the slippery slopes to hell. I've been an addict for many years so I consider myself quallified to give you some advice. I don't know what your domestic situation is, but you don't wanna end up like me, alone on christmas morning(for too many years to remember). I lost my veins years ago, and have to go into my deep veins. I will not tell you where because you could copy it and could do some serious harm. I couldn't live with that. Other posters on this forum have given you some good tips and the benefit of their experience, and I agree, your so called friend, is no friend. Do yourself a big favour and stay away from him.
If you are hell bent on fucking your life up on smack, then forget about using the needle. Even doing it that way you very quickly get used to it, and no longer get the same rush as when you started. So you may just as well smoke it (chase the dragon). Or crush it really fine and 'snort' it. Which ever way you do decide in the end, one golden rule you MUST abide, EVERY time you get it for the first hit, just do a little to test the strength. I've lost too many people from my past who have OD and all but one died because they misjudged their tollerence. The odd one comitted suicide because he missed his girlfriend who OD herself and died.
The best advice that I or anybody else can pass on to you is, Don't get started in the first place. It can only lead to pain and misery, you will eventually lose everything, including your health. Heroin is not just a drug, it's a way of life.

John_Burrows
25-12-2010, 13:54
Hey one other tip most people ignore: TRY PLUGGING. Anyone who's done IV and plugged will tell you that plugging gets you pretty close to the IV experience, but with a fraction of the danger (if any).

Ive shot and plugged dilaudid and plugging was by far a better experience.

Try it. If you like the high you get off it, you may not even NEED to iv.

Problem is a lot of people "feel weird" about sticking drugs up their butt. Of course that's almost comically ironic: you're not afraid to stick a needle in your arm and seriously risk death, but you draw the line at playing with your pooper?

Talk about out of whack priorities!