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rural_junkie
12-07-2010, 07:59
i am worried that i may have hep. i have shared needles cottons and wated with hep c infected people but the needles were always cleaned with bleach. i didnt know you could get it through water. i just got tested yesterday and am awaiting the results. what do you think my chances are of getting it. thanks

Crake
12-07-2010, 08:04
Bleach may or may not kill Hepatitis C. No one on here is going to be able to tell you your chances of being positive for Hepatitis C.

Good luck and be safe.

dimethyltrypt
12-07-2010, 08:09
Wait and see. Harder to do than it sounds, of course. However, its all you can do at this point.

Northside
12-07-2010, 13:28
No.

homeydontplaythat
12-07-2010, 21:19
very interesting topic. bleach is provided in harm reduction kits from needle exchanges so i have a feeling it probably does work. also, i believe i shared a needle with someone that had hep c and i bleached it. i got tested and im negative. it seems almost too good to be true. there are so many times i shared needles, cottons, cookers, used water from sketchy fucking people- i mean homeless street people on skid row in la and such. i was 80% sure i had hep c and even worried about hiv(sharing with older folks who have been through the 80s), i still dont know how to take it. good luck man.

im a pretty smart person, but jesus, with heroin i get so sick and anxious i have to fix and will take risk i shouldnt. fucking glad to be out of that game.

Captain.Heroin
12-07-2010, 22:08
It is unknown whether bleach will kill the hepatitis C virus.

It is ideal not to re-use used needles. The logic being that the virus is destroyed when exposed to air, but in a needle, it's basically encapsulated away from the environment and will live much longer than just chilling in a spoon, for example.

Hence, no one can tell you your odds. Sorry to tell you this, I hope you test negative, and best of luck.

SmokeTrails
13-07-2010, 00:23
no. not that im aware of

blackjesus
13-07-2010, 00:26
are you suffering from seroconversion syndrome? do you have jaundice?

homeydontplaythat
13-07-2010, 00:29
i was told in rehab by a redcross nurse that hep c, unlike hiv, actually is NOT destroyed with air contact. that is why its so easily contracted and hiv is not anymore.

SmokeTrails
13-07-2010, 00:30
after i actually read your post im going to say you might be fucked. if you bleached out the rig and then shared water with someone... you basicly just defeated the whole reason for bleaching out the rig. i know when your deep in it its hard sometimes to not share ANYTHING with people.... but you should always carry your own gear.

Captain.Heroin
13-07-2010, 06:48
i was told in rehab by a redcross nurse that hep c, unlike hiv, actually is NOT destroyed with air contact. that is why its so easily contracted and hiv is not anymore.

This is incorrect. It is destroyed with air contact, but it takes a considerably longer amount of time to die on its own than HIV does. Meaning, it could easily subsist for a few days on top of a spoon or in a cooker, for instance. I forget how long it takes to die but it is a long time.

dokomo
13-07-2010, 07:18
It's also important to remember that you don't "kill" viruses as they are not "living" organisms by the standard definition. They have to be destroyed or denatured which can take a lot more than killing bacteria.

LSDMDMA&AMP
13-07-2010, 07:20
for sure, ^hes right.
why would you share needles, especially KNOWING they have hepatitis?

dimethyltrypt
13-07-2010, 08:37
I think at this point hes not looking to be flamed, just nervous and wants any sort of scientific answer, although essentially none can be provided.

Crake
13-07-2010, 22:44
why would you share needles, especially KNOWING they have hepatitis?

Yeah, there is no need to say things like that.

Madhatter4
13-07-2010, 23:44
In this day and age you people are STILL sharing needles??? Have you ever heard of HIV? Well I guess when your an addict the only thing you care about is getting your fix know matter what.... also after doing a little research on Hep C I would have to say its equally as deadly as HIV

Levvytation
14-07-2010, 00:09
I don't IV although I know/have known people who do. Go to your local med centre, free needles/works available in a reasonable distance from you live.

Heh a bit like the family planning

Hepatitis C needs to be checked for though, cos it lies dormant symptom-wise for years. But the good news is that if caught early it can be cured

happygoluckygal
14-07-2010, 02:31
There are needle exchange programs, and of course works can be bought discreetly online...PLEASE do not take those kinds of risks....simply not worth it...no matter HOW badly you are jones-ing! Your life if precious, please be more careful.

Best of luck with your testing...hope it turns out okay!

Flexistentialist
14-07-2010, 07:28
also after doing a little research on Hep C I would have to say its equally as deadly as HIV

No it's not, maybe do a bit more research. 15 - 25% of people clear the virus naturally within 6 months of being infected.

Treatment is available and can "cure" up to 80% of cases, depending on genotype.

Paulination
14-07-2010, 16:32
I dont think youll have hep C if you used bleach, the fact remains that even if you did share with someone and didnt use anything to clean it its not full proof that you would get it. bleach sounds like a good tool for sterilizing dont worry about it until the tests come through I know how it feels to worry about those type of things(even tho it was just paranoia and delusions cause im a hypocondriac) you pace and you look online for answers and it will help but it wont change the answer on the test.I would reccomend taking a break to do someting that takes your mind off it, hobbies, videogames, movies. But dont worry for some reason I dont think youll have it. But dont share needles anymore and if you are too hooked that you would give in to sharing again, then dont IV or dont hang around with people like that. Why the hell would you wanna be shootin H with someone like that is beyond me. I have a feeling it will turn out ok for you, good luck and post back what happened.

but I dont IV simply for these types of reasons even with a clean needle your veins collapse, scabs, people look at your arms(if you use there and think "oh great a junkie", and once you go to the needle its hard to stop the which arises more complications with finding veins cause you dont have any, cause once you pop you dont stop. I could go on for hours against the Cons of IV

onmyway
15-07-2010, 06:41
under ideal circumstances bleach will kill all viruses. your situation was far from ideal though. i think there is a small chance that you are infected, but i sincerely hope that you are fine. at least this might scare you into adopting safer techniques.

Flexistentialist
15-07-2010, 07:59
Bleach will not help you if you've shared water that's been contaminated by a used syringe. There is only limited evidence that bleach can kill the hep C virus. There's evidence the virus can live outside the body from between 16 hours and 4 days, although inside a syringe there's a chance the virus is viable much longer than this. The reason bleach may not be effective is that the hep c virus has a strong outer layer which bleach may not penetrate. Newer guidelines on cleaning syringes with bleach are asking people to first clean them with soapy water, which could help break down the lipid layer and then allow bleach to get in and kill the virus. Again, there's little research into this though, but that is the current best practice advice being given to people accessing needle exchanges in Australia.

fryingsquirrel
15-07-2010, 08:03
Shit I always just assumed it did. I dated a girl for awhile that had hep c and used one of her points a few times. That was after bleaching it several times, but shit... Anyway I didn't catch it so either bleach does kill it or I just got lucky.

TerminalIsland
15-07-2010, 09:26
Old thread.

Yeah, get your own gear, its cheap (or free) and easy, just do it.

On bleach, per this "study" from a HR company, it seems to work with 99% accuracy cleaning a rig.

Water, cookers, mixers, grinders, basically everything else you are kind of fucked.


"One Water, One Bleach, One Water"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnsK_4gOYHU

jctoona84
19-07-2010, 16:10
Thank God PA wised up and allowed non-Rx sale of rigs. It would have helped when I was new to the game and there wasnt a good option to get them. I did the bleach method and luckily I didn't catch anything. It's about 3 bucks for 10 rigs, that's a cheap price for peace of mind.

FloridaHighs
19-07-2010, 16:18
Bleach and IPA are the way to go!

WhiteLinesNcoffee
19-07-2010, 21:43
No, trust me. i know by experience

TerminalIsland
20-07-2010, 08:25
No, trust me. i know by experience

Know what? You did not post anything in this thread.. you must be high! =D

dokomo
20-07-2010, 08:30
Know what? You did not post anything in this thread.. you must be high! =D

One could say the same about you, his post is a direct response to the thread title! ;)