opiates for pain

Sublimit said:

in my experiance to really compare different opiates you need to use them quite a few times and not go off a few experiances.

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Exactly. You can't just use something once and have a good idea of it, it usually took me a few goes at each opioid to appreciate it's full effects.

Sustanon man, save yourself the bad taste of sucking that coating off and wet a piece of tissue or something with water and rub it off. Comes off very easily and you are left with a white tablet that is easy to crush. Parachuting the powder should bypass most of the time release.

drug_mentor said:

Sustanon man, save yourself the bad taste of sucking that coating off and wet a piece of tissue or something with water and rub it off. Comes off very easily and you are left with a white tablet that is easy to crush. Parachuting the powder should bypass most of the time release.

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Yea i have done it that way but im kinda lazy LOL So whats the difference between parachuting and just eating the powder normally? Wouldnt eating it straight hit u faster n harder but lasting shorter? Guessin it takes time for the parachute to dissolve.

It saves you the yuck taste of the powder, I always found parachuting had a quit onset. I just thought you were sucking the wax off them eating them whole, as long as you are chewing them or something then nothing I said before will really benefit you.

So the slow release of oxy 80s still works if only the coating is removed? U have to actually crush it up?

skatkid said:

So the slow release of oxy 80s still works if only the coating is removed? U have to actually crush it up?

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They'll 'work' either way, but if you want to convert it to instant release, you need to crush the pill. The coating is just for identification.

Oxys have a time release coating and time releasing ingredient as well. One would assume that the best way to take anything would be to crush it up into fine powder for maximum immediate strong effects. Best method is to suck off coating and crush up.

sustanon, i can assure you the coating on oxycontin have nothing to do with the time release mechanism. as crankinit said it's for identitification purposes.

the time releasing 'ingredient" you speak of is a wax matrix, similar to how MsContins have a wax matrix.

So if the time release isn't by passed how long does the oxy last for

8-12 hours supposedly

Way back when my tolerance was a bit lower I ate an oc20 whole to see if I could get a mild, all day buzz going for a long shift at work, found it lasted 5 - 6 hours.

OK well the last time i got my refill we talked about alternative... as i mentioned opiated cross tolerance... he mentioned fentanyl. Well on the outside i appeared very interested and asked him some questions, but on the inside i was thinking i'd rather just stay on Oxycodone. I then said that i read that Oxycodone is even stronger than morphine and then continued telling him that i read about this relative new preparation called Jurnista. he replied that he was aware of it an that it's effective, but also said its very strong.

At the moment he's worried about my tolerance to oxycodone as i'm dosing 30mg 3 times a day.... so i defiantly understand his concern... as much as i feel stable on that dose and enjoy it too.

He said that the next time i come in that we'll discuss it further... so i'm due to go in next week and i'm guessing he'll start me on the 16mg... the conversion chart shows that 90mg of oxycodone is 32mg of hydromorphone... just hope that is a correct conversion so i can be as accurate as possible to suggest that to him.... who knows, he may even want me to start on the 8mg which would be nowhere near enough.

Essentially he'll be halving my current oxy dose if i'm put on 16mg of HM... don't know if i should or not, but i could see im upping that dose if it wasn't sufficient... I'll guess i'll talk to him soon

yeah the only that about hydromorhone that sucks is that it does not do shit orally,it is best injected like i nthe hospital,i know of people who had never taken even a codien tablet that took 8 mg of hydromorphone orally and got a stomach ache and a bit drowsy...plus it does not last very long,and even a time realesed form would be shitty unless used IV.

^^^^ yeah maybe i'll push for the 32mg one,,,, but I've got some time to think about my options anyway... just wait and see what happens i guess

he's not going to put you on 32mg straight up, i can garuntee you that. it's generally standard practice to start on the lowest dose initially, titrating up from there under the docs supervision/advice as to avoid any complications such as an overdose. also for the doctor to cover his ass, obviously.

yeah the only that about hydromorhone that sucks is that it does not do shit orally,it is best injected like i nthe hospital,i know of people who had never taken even a codien tablet that took 8 mg of hydromorphone orally and got a stomach ache and a bit drowsy...plus it does not last very long,and even a time realesed form would be shitty unless used IV

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if you're suffering from chronic pain and have been for some time then getting simply getting a drug because it's nice when injected is the last thing on a patients mind...in most cases anyway. it's also patients that have no other inention than to abuse the drug that makes it so hard for people who genuinely need the treatment. not all doctors are oblivious and will definitely grow suspicions of abuse rather quickly, ending your supply and earning a drug seeking mark against your name.

i've used jurnista and they were definitely effective for pain control orally. i can see this becoming a more popular alternative round the clock pain killer. there's even been studies of it being used as a maintenance drug with good results.

leftwing said:

he's not going to put you on 32mg straight up, i can garuntee you that. it's generally standard practice to start on the lowest dose initially, titrating up from there under the docs supervision/advice as to avoid any complications such as an overdose. also for the doctor to cover his ass, obviously.

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We'll see about that LW im his last app so should have a bit of time to discuss management. you're probably right that he'll want to start me on 8mg, but reading your earlier post i think i remember you saying you weren't that comfortable with it and then dosed higher. I'll post a pic of a pack of 32mg jurnista in front of my DSOTM flag if i get em

leftwing said:

if you're suffering from chronic pain and have been for some time then getting simply getting a drug because it's nice when injected is the last thing on a patients mind...in most cases anyway. it's also patients that have no other inention than to abuse the drug that makes it so hard for people who genuinely need the treatment. not all doctors are oblivious and will definitely grow suspicions of abuse rather quickly, ending your supply and earning a drug seeking mark against your name.

i've used jurnista and they were definitely effective for pain control orally. i can see this becoming a more popular alternative round the clock pain killer. there's even been studies of it being used as a maintenance drug with good results.

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Thats sooo right and thats the reason why i'm interested in being put on them for PM. Even though I've started to respect the OC now and dose responsibly(most of the time) i still have that temptation to buy some wheel filters and treat myself to an abuse-able amount of oxycodone! with my past history it just seems that oral hydromorphone would be the best thing for my pain management... ATM It sucks to be out of work waiting for a specialist and an op, but at least i get to try nice opiates

truth be told i really didn't give the jurnista much of a chance as i only got one box of 20, but when i found the right dose to hold me it was extremely efficient. no side effects present except the dry mouth as far as i can remember.

obviously i'm one to have some fun with my script now and then and seeing how much of a fuck around it can be to to extract the HM out to plug, snort or shootl, i stuck with the oxy and tramadol combo.

i'm slowly getting better with my compulsion to just abuse all my oxy so possibly somewhere along the track i may ask to switch back to jurnista, but not right now

^^^^^ We seem to have some things in common. Thanks for the insight on HM

May i ask what you do if you say... have too much fun with your script and run out? do you get by on just trams and maybe benzo's?

i was coming off around 120-150mg of oxy and used bupe to attempt to avoid a WD. I waited 24 hours a took 4mg of suboxone snorted. I didn't feel any opiate like effects and although my WD was subtle. i still felt like shit in other ways... complete lack of motivation. another 4mg 24 hours later and i barley noticed it but felt a little bit better, woke up in the morning and was shocked to see that my pupils were significantly pinned. but i felt almost no opiate effect and the WD still in the background. then on top of that i had mild WD from the bupe for 5 days!

Tramadol works better for me, and codeine isn't the best because of its short HL

May i ask what you do if you say... have too much fun with your script and run out? do you get by on just trams and maybe benzo's?

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yeah if i use all my oxy up i get by on my tramadol script. i've got quite a few spare boxes and scripts kept away from either when i've had good days and needn't any pills or from simply not filling them out yet from having repeat scripts.

i'm on baclofen (muscle relaxant) and valium so yeah they help as well. i barely bother with OTC codeine, instead get the pure 30mg tabs for breakthrough.

since my original doctor has left town and i've transfered to another doctor he won't prescribe me anymore than 40mg oxy daily along with 400mg (2 x 200mg sr) tramadol until i have another checkup from a PM doc which is in October.

i don't what it is with my body chemistry but i can come off a huge bender of high dose opiates (oxy or morphine for eg) and easily make the transition back to only the 400mg tramadol without too much discomfort other than the first couple of days.

leftwing said:

i'm on baclofen (muscle relaxant) and valium so yeah they help as well. i barely bother with OTC codeine, instead get the pure 30mg tabs for breakthrough.

since my original doctor has left town and i've transfered to another doctor he won't prescribe me anymore than 40mg oxy daily along with 400mg (2 x 200mg sr) tramadol until i have another checkup from a PM doc which is in October.
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Yeah i've been meaning to ask about that. I'm guessing you're given baclofen for your back, but what other indications can it be prescribed for? i want to ask my GP if he'll script it for me. I know its used as an alternative to a benzo for certain types of WD.

Also, I'm due to see a PM specialist soonish. whats the process... they assess your pain and your current dose by your GP, are they inclined to increase it or decrees it and have controll over what your current GP can prescribe? and why won't this new GP up your oxy dose until you see a specialist? I thought your old GP would be in contact and be up to date with your history and continue with the same amount of medication.