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qwe
03-03-2010, 18:12
i know there arent pee test questions, but this is more a biology question related to pee tests. im not asking any basics. i really want to get to the bottom of this because i'd rather not health professionals assume i am selling pills

i take 0.5mg x3 daily. i never skip a day. yet it never shows up on pee tests (private and public health center pee tests; i assume GC MS was used)

only possible interaction would be if marijuana could do this

any similar experiences? anybody know why clonazepam may not show in the urine?

pallidamors
03-03-2010, 19:06
my only guess would be that theyre using a 5-panel which doesnt test for benzodiazepines. or they may ignore a test that clonazepam shows up in since they know you're scripted it?

also GC MS is a pretty costly way to analyze urine tests...they usually just use the panel test unless theres a specific reason to do a more complex test. A GC/MS test is almost impossible to fool without masking the peaks on the readout with other things, but to my knowledge marijuana doesnt do this.

qwe
03-03-2010, 19:31
^it must be a 5 panel. but the clinic said they do test for benzos, and kpin shows up in others' pee there AFAIK. my counselor said one other person had kpin not showing up in the pee, but she said she was pretty sure he was selling them

monstanoodle
03-03-2010, 20:02
Do you smoke qwe? As Nicotine (or other constitutes of Tobacco) speeds up the elimination of most, if not all Benzos. Could be that they're not checking for them though as was suggested up theyer ^ :)

qwe
03-03-2010, 20:51
they specifically test for benzodiazepines. they're anal about benzos because of how many opiate ODs involve benzos

i don't smoke or use any nicotine or caffeine

my best guess is, that with all the tagamet i used when i was on poppies, my liver enzymes UPregulated and are now killing off opiates fast. (my doc concurs too, but it seems too simple a solution; if it cleared out to that extent, i'd be in withdrawal, and i take it three times a day so there should be a little in me at all times)

pallidamors
03-03-2010, 20:54
if they upregulated, my guess is that metabolism of benzos would be sped up too, but like you said, that probably wouldnt be enough to completely clear them out. maybe you have a unique set of enzymes that makes some undiscovered metabolites? XD

also i thought a 5-panel only did pot, coke, amphetamines, opiates, and pcp. Maybe the person who they suspected of selling was given a 10-panel test, which would look for benzos too.

monstanoodle
03-03-2010, 20:57
That's very odd qwe :$ Ah well, I guess it's nowt to complain about ay? =D (Not that you are lol)
Cane dem Benzos t'fuck!!! ^_^

Captain.Heroin
03-03-2010, 21:27
Don't take this the wrong way, but you can get clonazepam without having to submit urine analysis.

Just go to a different doctor, and bring your empty medicine bottles. You shouldn't have too hard of a time getting prescribed clonazepam.

If it was something really good, like temazepam, triazolam, etc, I can imagine it's harder to get from a doctor. But clonazepam? That's every doctor's favorite benzo to prescribe.

I can't explain why the drug test isn't showing up as positive for you, I wouldn't know if there's a way for your body to break down the drug differently than most people, or if you're metabolizing it much quicker or whatever.

I would attribute this to a false negative. False positives and false negatives aren't common but they do occur in drug testing. This is why drug testing questions are inherently not allowed...there's no real way to explain to someone why a crappy 5 panel drug test fucked up, whether it's a false negative or a false positive.

Most importantly, if you take all of your pills, they have no proof you sell your pills. They have no way to legitimately kick you out, unless they're going to take a drug test as the truth and don't actually care what's literally happening to/with you. That would indicate they're piss poor doctors, and you're better off seeking assistance from a more caring doctor.

qwe
03-03-2010, 21:34
if they upregulated, my guess is that metabolism of benzos would be sped up too, but like you said, that probably wouldnt be enough to completely clear them out. maybe you have a unique set of enzymes that makes some undiscovered metabolites? XD

also i thought a 5-panel only did pot, coke, amphetamines, opiates, and pcp. Maybe the person who they suspected of selling was given a 10-panel test, which would look for benzos too.
them being anal about benzos, fyi every pee test gets tested for benzos at the methadone clinic

i don't know what kind of test it is; i asked the main nurse if they used GC MS. "oh yeah they do all that chemicals stuff", she had no idea what kind of test they do

yeah, benzo metab would be sped up too. that's the core of the hypothesis about the upreg. CYPD-whatever names they are, benzos and opiates do share enzymes

marijauna shows up fine; i wish it was the other way around! LOL that'd be nice

Don't take this the wrong way, but you can get clonazepam without having to submit urine analysis. sorry misunderstanding. the pee test is at the clinic for all patients, and now im no longer at the clinic but my suboxone doctor gave me a pee test

im prescribed clonaz by my family doc, and she's never pee tested me

brutus
03-03-2010, 22:14
It's possible that you are an ultra rapid metabolizer or that drug tests just don't work on you. I have had three urine and three blood tests which multiple drugs should have shown up on, but did not. The head doctor at the rehab I went to came and talked to me and pretty much said drug tests may not work on you. Also, my former shrink said that he has treated 3 people including myself that react the same way. My former shrink told me I was an ultra rapid metabolizer.

I just re read the thread and I have no idea why benzos wouldn't show up when other drugs will show up. I've never heard of anything like that.

qwe
03-03-2010, 23:11
^ that would seem to support the enzyme hypothesis. in your terms, by taking too much cimetidine, i turned myself into an opiate&benzo-only (since they share enzymes) rapid-metabolizer. plus of course a few other endogenous and exogenous chemicals, i assume, are a little off compared to my body's previous stable configuration

qwe 2.0, or 0.9, depending on how you look at it

Oxymorphone
04-03-2010, 02:57
^ that would seem to support the enzyme hypothesis. in your terms, by taking too much cimetidine, i turned myself into an opiate&benzo-only (since they share enzymes) rapid-metabolizer. plus of course a few other endogenous and exogenous chemicals, i assume, are a little off compared to my body's previous stable configuration

qwe 2.0, or 0.9, depending on how you look at it

I skimmed this thread and see a lot of complicated theories and the answer is much simpler.

Drug tests for benzos are simply poor and inaccurate, especially with the shorter acting low dosage benzos like alprazolam, clonazapam, lorazapam, etc...

I had a piss test today and I take 2mg klonopin a day and didn't test positive for it. The technician said this was normal and happens all the time with the benzo tests because they are simply not accurate enough to detect low concentrations of benzos. She said xanax and klonopin don't show up a good percentage of the time and the tests are only really accurate for picking up the older long acting benzos like diazapam.

Tommyboy
04-03-2010, 03:30
I got sent away for testing NEGATIVE for benzos on my tests that were being sent to labs. I was getting prescribed .5 3xdaily of xanax from the program that I was in. After 6 months my private councelor asked my if there was something that I was hiding from her because she just realized that all of my tests were negative and she knew what I was being scripted.
The bitch called up my P.O and said to move me into a 30day inpatient rehab, mind you I was going 1 day a week to outpatient at the time.... I have thought about seeking legal reparations for all the money I laid out. Only thing I admitted was taking 2 vicodin once when I couldnt sleep from back pain.
So it is def possible, the saliva tests often came back negative after I got out of inpatient and had to go back to a diff outpatient.

qwe
04-03-2010, 04:55
^that's really not cool. good luck and let me know if there is any justice. i know plenty of people IRL being fucked by the criminal justice system. everybody knows that there are too many laws, that they are too complex. court used to be a human judgement thing. we can't internalize the laws, and we can't rely on somebody in the court to be able to make the case "he may have technically broken this regulation, but he was acting reasonably and/or this regulation is evil itself"

*using evil as a political term :p

Captain.Heroin
04-03-2010, 05:01
sorry misunderstanding. the pee test is at the clinic for all patients, and now im no longer at the clinic but my suboxone doctor gave me a pee test

im prescribed clonaz by my family doc, and she's never pee tested me

Oh...I get Suboxone without having to submit a UA. I'd say the same thing still but Suboxone is a bit more special than clonazepam.

And that makes a little more sense now. :)

Cloud_9
04-03-2010, 05:25
yeah, benzo metab would be sped up too. that's the core of the hypothesis about the upreg. CYPD-whatever names they are, benzos and opiates do share enzymes

CYP450.... and more accurately for like 95% of drugs; the 2d6 and 3a4 pathways. I had my chromosomes examined after showing no response to convention psychotropic substances at insane doses and it turns out it can really be a bitch if you are trying to get high (check out my 800mh of oxy and still not high thread! 8o)

But something useful to the OP; when I was tested after entering into a pain management clinic that had me take a drug test which I was told was the same used for all hospital staff. I turned up positive for diazepam a full 10+ days after I had taken it last and the pharmacist who oversaw patient tox-screens called me and asked about it and was able to just explain it as residual leftover from before I signed a contract in which I promised that I would not take any illegal drugs because she said she had a computer readout of specific markers and levels that can tell a trained observer more about your drug panel than the laughable 5 panel dip-stick and done method!




Just go to a different doctor, and bring your empty medicine bottles. You shouldn't have too hard of a time getting prescribed clonazepam.


Now where have I heard this before!

Edit: P.S.: I am pleasantly surprised and relieved you got that stock of temazepam refilled baring the ridiculous nature in which they cut you off cold-turkey. You really could have a claim for medical mal-practice for someone to just drop you from a benzo regiment for such a unloving attitude which says "I won't touch that man with a 10 foot pole!"

Captain.Heroin
04-03-2010, 05:50
Edit: P.S.: I am pleasantly surprised and relieved you got that stock of temazepam refilled baring the ridiculous nature in which they cut you off cold-turkey. You really could have a claim for medical mal-practice for someone to just drop you from a benzo regiment for such a unloving attitude which says "I won't touch that man with a 10 foot pole!"

LOL! I really should but I knew I'd just get it later in time.

I finally have had good sleep for the last few days. I'm really excited to keep the correct sleep cycle going.

amnda3351
04-03-2010, 07:36
I had an opposite problem today. I tested positive for bezo's and I haven't taken them since before christmas... How long does that shit stay in your system? The only drugs I ahve done is roxis.. oh and I put a lidocaine patch on my back the other day but don't see how that would do anything.

DexterMeth
04-03-2010, 07:45
I had an opposite problem today. I tested positive for bezo's and I haven't taken them since before christmas... How long does that shit stay in your system? The only drugs I ahve done is roxis.. oh and I put a lidocaine patch on my back the other day but don't see how that would do anything.

Could of been stored in your fat or even bones depending on how much you were taking and body chemistry/composition, then you lost some fat or some how sped up your metabolism, some was burned off and released and there you go. It doesn't just show up out of nowhere, and I somewhat doubt that there is a magical clonazepam fairy throwing clonaz dust into your mouth when you're sleeping. ..well I guess it's possible... anyways, lol, there's always the likely hood of a false positive or even mixing up urine samples. Are you sure you handed them your dick?


Drug tests for benzos are simply poor and inaccurate, especially with the shorter acting low dosage benzos like alprazolam, clonazapam, lorazapam, etc...
.

clonazepam is one of the longest acting benzos there is. The only thing it has in common with alprazolam and lorazepam is that it comes in a .5mg pill.

Captain.Heroin
04-03-2010, 07:59
I had an opposite problem today. I tested positive for bezo's and I haven't taken them since before christmas... How long does that shit stay in your system? The only drugs I ahve done is roxis.. oh and I put a lidocaine patch on my back the other day but don't see how that would do anything.

Definitely not that long!

False positive.

Drug tests are notoriously unreliable.

amnda3351
04-03-2010, 08:16
I definatly didnt hand them my dick, lol im a girl. And it would be some sweet ass shit if there was that kind of fairy.
It was a pee test to get on the sobo clinic and the cup was weird nothing I seen before it had like this tube in ti and you had to pee to at least cover this tube then there was like all these different strips on it, im assuming they were for different drugs. I know strip tests aren't very accurate so maybe it was just a false positive. the metabolism shit makes sense too, I gaines some weight when I stopped using after christmas and have lost some since I started using again esp in the alst few days since I been sick and shit.

DexterMeth
04-03-2010, 08:23
"lol im a girl"....pics or it didn't happen.

Benzos are notorious for storing in the fat. They just love to store all over the body...even down in the bones like methadone. Those strips suck. I shot up a bunch of oxycodone 1 day before some pre-screen drug test for a job and I passed.

Oxymorphone
04-03-2010, 09:47
clonazepam is one of the longest acting benzos there is. The only thing it has in common with alprazolam and lorazepam is that it comes in a .5mg pill.

Not exactly when compared to stuff like diazepam. The benzo tests are simply inaccurate for any benzos that you take in low dosages (4mg or less per day lets say). The more potent benzos that require lower doses don't set off the tests very well since there is a lower concentration of metabolites in your system compared to someone taking 40mg of diazepam which leaves a lot more metabolites in your body for the test to detect and give a positive result nearly all of the time. With many other benzos it is hit and miss.

DexterMeth
04-03-2010, 12:49
Yea that makes sense, I never thought of it like that...the concentrations.

Compaired to stuff like diazepam though? Aren't there only like maybe 3 benzos at most that clonazepam has a shorter half-life than? There's diaza, librium, and I forgot the other one. It's just that you lumped it with alpraz and loraz and you're talking about half-life. Whatever, I'm not here to argue, I get what you mean, I feel like I always have to not only correct myself but others, when there's even a single small thing missing, incorrectly said or perceived. Bluelight wouldn't be the best if we were all nice to each other. :)

kiwigirl
04-03-2010, 13:19
Can someone explain this then,I was being drugtested monthly for about 1 year and all tests results indicated I was taking benzos which at that time I wasn't .However I was using alot of H which the doc knew about. He was more concerned about me taking benzos which like I said I wasn't. The only thing I could come up with was the H was cut with benzos .I managed to get some H tested and no benzos in it . So they must of still been in me from a long ago pill binge I sometimes had.

amnda3351
04-03-2010, 14:35
considering how dangerous it is to mix benzo's and H that would be pretty freakin evil. Hope that wasn't it.

I never took a lot of benzo's i think in the month of december I took maybe 5 at the most and it was before christams that i took the last one. it just seems so weird to me and im not using H just roxi's so no cut or anything like that.

Tommyboy
04-03-2010, 20:14
At the treatment court that I went to they said the (either 5 or 6) panel drug tests produced a "false positive" in about 8-10% of tests. In other words the 100 count packs would have 8-10 false positives.

jake99
11-11-2010, 03:31
I heard at the methadone clinic that people on klonopin always pass the tests and people on xanax always fail................

Captain.Heroin
11-11-2010, 05:21
I heard at the methadone clinic that people on klonopin always pass the tests and people on xanax always fail................

This is not how it works at all.

Also, we really don't do drug test discussion, so I'm going to close this thread.