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mrbigggie
10-10-2010, 15:33
ok can sum1 help i am most of the time just an oxy shooter but about 20 min i took 3 2mg klopin and just mixed them with one sirnge full of water heated it a little the mixture was a little thick but i shot it anyways i did get a pretty good rush form it but im not floored or anything i just i dint know till i came here about the solubility factor of this process so i just want to know if i will be ok heath wise anybody have any input please respond ill be checkin and i know it was stupid to do this with out knowing what i was doing so no need for rude remarks just help me out plz ps i feel good and fine hearts beating kinda funny tho

pixplzthx
10-10-2010, 23:40
Diazepam is up to three times more potent when mixed with 50/50 ethanol (or some other spirit, i use rum) and administered rectally. I can fit it all into a 10 mL oral syringe. You can easily find this information online and I can attest to it quite empirically.

jamesBrown
11-10-2010, 06:30
I can attest to the fact that...yes, most benzos are hardly soluble in water, but also....even if you are foolish enough to mix a benzo with water and inject it(such as temazepam) it will have no effect whatsoever (other than destroying your veins and possibly killing you). Im assuming this has to do with the fact that since it doesnt dissolve in the solution you mix it with (water) it wont be able to act on your GABA receptor sites.
I dont know the EXACT reasons as to why this happens this way(as opposed to the benzo still being able to bind to your receptors as long as you get it into your body somehow)....but I do know from personal experience that it doesnt work. So, even if you know that benzos dont dissolve well in water and shouldnt be injected as such but are still going to do it because you are desperate....DONT....its a waste.....just like taking a full opiate agonist while on a high dose suboxone maintanence.

edarrin
12-10-2010, 03:38
^ If that were true why is shooting temazepam so popular in certain areas I wonder?



Flurazepam had no real advantage when IV'd, unless you didn't want the next day effects.



Are they not Dalmane's (old brand name)? If so they have a really long half life and by the chart seeem to be the most water solubule. Sounds like the best bet although I would go with midazolam myself if I was to do it.

I think a lot of people underestimate Zopiclone as a hypnotic. I find it pretty potent stuff. Works great to come down of stims and when used as an ocassional sleep aid seems to interfere less with sleep architecture IME. Orally that is. Looks like you'd waste most of your pill using water as a solevent.


I use 3cc luer locks all the time for 'those shots whee you need to use a bit more liquid. Can't say I'd ever do a 10 or 25 cc though.

I do have a question though.....can you use a 25cc sringe with a wheel filter? I'd like to do a batch of methylphenidate and only have one filter.

Plan is to filter about 20-30 crushed up pills at once into a sterile vial (or 2)

jamesBrown
12-10-2010, 03:46
^ If that were true why is shooting temazepam so popular in certain areas I wonder?


Actually....injecting temazepam was very popular in some areas in the past(im sure it still happens but it is not nearly as popular anymore because they discontinued the "gelly" pill form). Like said above....they use to come in the form of a gel filled pill and the gel was some liquid formulation that had temazepam in it, it wasnt water. And people would inject this liquid....it was very dangerous and caused alot of limbs to be lost but it was still popular nonetheless. they were called "gellies" I believe. I think it was extremely popular in Ireland to be exact. But obviously other countries did it as well.

Anyway....as a result of all the lost limbs and deaths from injecting those gel pills, im pretty sure they discontinued making ANY form of temazepam that is other than solid pill or powder. And I just happen to have the 30mg white capsules filled with an EXTREMELY fine white powder temazepam. I can say for a fact that it does not mix with water at all and injecting it does nothing. Im pretty sure that the liquid used in the temazepam "gellies" was propylene glycol or somehting similar.

Captain.Heroin
13-10-2010, 20:13
^ If that were true why is shooting temazepam so popular in certain areas I wonder?





Are they not Dalmane's (old brand name)? If so they have a really long half life and by the chart seeem to be the most water solubule. Sounds like the best bet although I would go with midazolam myself if I was to do it.

I think a lot of people underestimate Zopiclone as a hypnotic. I find it pretty potent stuff. Works great to come down of stims and when used as an ocassional sleep aid seems to interfere less with sleep architecture IME. Orally that is. Looks like you'd waste most of your pill using water as a solevent.


I use 3cc luer locks all the time for 'those shots whee you need to use a bit more liquid. Can't say I'd ever do a 10 or 25 cc though.

I do have a question though.....can you use a 25cc sringe with a wheel filter? I'd like to do a batch of methylphenidate and only have one filter.

Plan is to filter about 20-30 crushed up pills at once into a sterile vial (or 2)

Dalmane is flurazepam, yes. Some drugs don't have enhanced effects with the IV route for whatever reason.

I have never tried the Z drugs and wouldn't bother taking them since I like benzos so much (even though I haven't used them in months).

Yes, you can use a 25CC syringe with a wheel filter, that's how I always do it (when micron filtering Suboxone).

My advice to you though, would be to cotton filter your batch of MPH pills first, because that's probably going to be a lot of inactives that will clog the micron filter before you can get it all across the filter.

Morphoid
31-10-2010, 23:34
Just while I remember, there's no mention of etizolam (I know technically it's a theinodiazepine). You've got Estazolam but they are totally different.

Have you got any information on the solubility of etizolam? I experimented and managed to dissolve 1mg in 2mls of water but the resultant solution was cloudy, even a tiny bit after filtration.

Captain.Heroin
01-11-2010, 00:06
Just while I remember, there's no mention of etizolam (I know technically it's a theinodiazepine). You've got Estazolam but they are totally different.

Have you got any information on the solubility of etizolam? I experimented and managed to dissolve 1mg in 2mls of water but the resultant solution was cloudy, even a tiny bit after filtration.

http://drugbank.ca/search/search?query=etizolam

Sorry, drugbank.ca doesn't have any information on that benzo.

Jean.Luc
13-11-2010, 21:22
Hello to everyone, I'm kinda of a newb in these whole IV thing, A month ago my pshychiatrist took alprazolam (Xanax) away from me but I managed to get some more before going cold turkey so I thought I would be a good idea to start messing with my veins. Right now I'm quite happy, I have even started to IV Valium and it gave me quite a kick. Can somebody tell me what I'm in for long term wisely?

PD I know they're not water solube I use 30Ál ethanol and 60Ál water per hit using 0.5 xanax and 5.0 valium

Captain.Heroin
13-11-2010, 22:00
Hello to everyone, I'm kinda of a newb in these whole IV thing, A month ago my pshychiatrist took alprazolam (Xanax) away from me but I managed to get some more before going cold turkey so I thought I would be a good idea to start messing with my veins. Right now I'm quite happy, I have even started to IV Valium and it gave me quite a kick. Can somebody tell me what I'm in for long term wisely?

PD I know they're not water solube I use 30Ál ethanol and 60Ál water per hit using 0.5 xanax and 5.0 valium

You might want to dilute the ethanol more.

Also I would strongly consider beginning to micron filter (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=481622).

Jean.Luc
17-11-2010, 15:43
You might want to dilute the ethanol more.

Also I would strongly consider beginning to micron filter (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=481622).

I don't have acces to micron filters that easily, so instead I use double filter with small cigarrete filters.

Jean.Luc
17-11-2010, 15:47
I'm also developing one hell of a tolerance, any ideas on how to pump up the effecs? I use benzos every single time I get drunk, but I doesn't feel the same as one month ago.

megawoof
17-11-2010, 15:59
i agree its just not worth injecting benzos except midzaloam which i do regularly as get the midzaloam in ampoules of 3ml=15mg i also get valium amps 2ml=10mg but the valium is very painful to inject as its in propelene glycrol its glupy and and burns a bit you need to do it extremely slow and know you can get lorazepam amps but havent seen them in ages and its like valium glupy

Paulycodone
22-11-2010, 18:12
Hey everybody, I was reading this thread and while I don't IV anything or have any syringes, I was wondering what are the best ones for insufflation. My tolerance is so high and I am somewhat overweight so swallowing them does nothing except prevent withdrawal. Ive only snorted clonazepam, alprazolam, and triazolam. Can't tell much difference with the clonazepam, alprazolam didn't seem to do anything and was nasty tasting, but the triazolam helped me sleep, but it took 1.25mg. I've never had a prescription for Versed (Midazolam?) I have difficulty sleeping with this pain, I have been prescribed skelaxin, naprosyn, norco, lodine, lyrica, zofran, fentanyl patches, ultram, and toprol XL. The patches are the mylan 25 mcg/hr and are helping a little bit but still having a lot of pain and difficulty sleeping and getting around. Any suggestions or advice are welcome.

P.S. How can I have the forum notify me when someone replies to something I posted? Sorry newb question...maybe should ask it someplace else.

Thanks a lot guys.

-Paul

Beerman
24-11-2010, 21:48
One question for Captain Heroin: you said you IV'd Midazolam, Loprazolam and Flurazepam, right?
Also that Midazolam is the best when IV'd, but betwen Loprazolam and Flurazepam wich one gives a better "rush" or faster onset??

Reason is because in one week i've to see doctor to give me another benzo prescription (refill?), now i'm with diazepam (first times was good but now is boring) and want to propouse (sp?) her to change of benzo, particulary one of these 3 if posible (she wants).

Off topic: I think best choice is Flurazepam and to say doctor that "is my preference because they have similar half-lifes" or something like this lol, let's see what happens... or i'm also prescribed ambien, maybe I could change ambien for midazolam or loprazolam.. dunno.

Thank you!

jamesBrown
24-11-2010, 23:05
One question for Captain Heroin: you said you IV'd Midazolam, Loprazolam and Flurazepam, right?
Also that Midazolam is the best when IV'd, but betwen Loprazolam and Flurazepam wich one gives a better "rush" or faster onset??

Reason is because in one week i've to see doctor to give me another benzo prescription (refill?), now i'm with diazepam (first times was good but now is boring) and want to propouse (sp?) her to change of benzo, particulary one of these 3 if posible (she wants).

Off topic: I think best choice is Flurazepam and to say doctor that "is my preference because they have similar half-lifes" or something like this lol, let's see what happens... or i'm also prescribed ambien, maybe I could change ambien for midazolam or loprazolam.. dunno.

Thank you!

When you say Loprazelam do you mean Lorazepam? Because Lorazepam is a much more commonly used(and especially injected) drug. Plus, Loprazelam isnt even technicaly a benzo. Its just a derivative of benzos.
And I think that Captain.Heroin has injected Lorazepam, not Loprazelam, allthough I could be wrong.

*FYI Lorazepam is Ativan.

debaser
24-11-2010, 23:07
It's loprazolam, and it's a benzo (trade name is Havlane).

jamesBrown
24-11-2010, 23:08
It's loprazolam, and it's a benzo (trade name is Havlane).

my bad, spelling error. both those drugs are spelled so alike i could barely post that shit.

smackncheese
24-11-2010, 23:09
im pretty sure they discontinued making ANY form of temazepam that is other than solid pill or powder. And I just happen to have the 30mg white capsules filled with an EXTREMELY fine white powder temazepam. I can say for a fact that it does not mix with water at all and injecting it does nothing. Im pretty sure that the liquid used in the temazepam "gellies" was propylene glycol or somehting similar.

Ah, white powder.. is that what's in these? My friend has the white and green gel caps. I haven't cracked one open, but I was wondering.. :\

jamesBrown
24-11-2010, 23:16
Ah, white powder.. is that what's in these? My friend has the white and green gel caps. I haven't cracked one open, but I was wondering.. :\

yea, its literally the most fine powder I have ever seen. As in the particles of temazepam dust are smaller than any other particles I have ever seen before. Its kinda weird. Either way it makes it easy to snort, but I dont usually like to do that cuz I think it feels better and just works better overall when taken orally. I have snorted it sometimes and I would just knock out and wake up without remembering a thing...so not fun. Then I would try snorting less of it and then it barely did anythign. But orally taking it has never let me down. Of course I get the 30mg white capsules.
Sometimes if you take enough of temazepam, it can actually give you euphoria, but I find that that is usuall only possible if you mix it with a little somethin else. Like, a hit or two of weed, no more...or maybe a tiny amount of suboxone, or maybe just smoking a cigg. I dont drink so I dont know about that but that might work as well...IN VERY SMALL AMOUNTS WITH ALCOHOL.

Captain.Heroin
25-11-2010, 03:56
One question for Captain Heroin: you said you IV'd Midazolam, Loprazolam and Flurazepam, right?
Also that Midazolam is the best when IV'd, but betwen Loprazolam and Flurazepam wich one gives a better "rush" or faster onset??
I would say loprazolam. Flurazepam is only a partial agonist.


Reason is because in one week i've to see doctor to give me another benzo prescription (refill?), now i'm with diazepam (first times was good but now is boring) and want to propouse (sp?) her to change of benzo, particulary one of these 3 if posible (she wants).

Off topic: I think best choice is Flurazepam and to say doctor that "is my preference because they have similar half-lifes" or something like this lol, let's see what happens... or i'm also prescribed ambien, maybe I could change ambien for midazolam or loprazolam.. dunno.

Thank you!
I would go for midazolam or loprazolam. They are really nice. Many people do not care much for flurazepam.


When you say Loprazelam do you mean Lorazepam? Because Lorazepam is a much more commonly used(and especially injected) drug. Plus, Loprazelam isnt even technicaly a benzo. Its just a derivative of benzos.
And I think that Captain.Heroin has injected Lorazepam, not Loprazelam, allthough I could be wrong.

*FYI Lorazepam is Ativan.

Loprazolam is a imidazole benzodiazepine derivative. It has the same basic benzo structure that most other benzos have (Z drugs do not contain this, and are hence referred to as nonbenzodiazepines).

And you are actually incorrect, I have not injected lorazepam, but insetad loprazolam (Dormonoct). I don't like lorazepam much.


It's loprazolam, and it's a benzo (trade name is Havlane).

Oh, interesting. The ones I have had in the past, are labeled Dormonoct. I guess it depends what country the loprazolam came from.

RedBaron
25-11-2010, 05:52
Is lorazepam worthwhile to snort? I know it has a higher solubility than other common benzos, but will it just do the same drip and feel it orally later? Or will i feel a quick onset and somewhat rush? I could get it, but I want to know this first, otherwise I'll stick to others.

Supeudol
25-11-2010, 05:54
Flurazepam = blackout waiting to happen. VERY strong hypnotic benzo with an extremely long half life. Took months to get this shit completely out of my system.

RedBaron
25-11-2010, 06:09
For snorting purposes, is lorazepam worth it at all? I have no intention of injecting.

Captain.Heroin
25-11-2010, 06:17
Is lorazepam worthwhile to snort? I know it has a higher solubility than other common benzos, but will it just do the same drip and feel it orally later? Or will i feel a quick onset and somewhat rush? I could get it, but I want to know this first, otherwise I'll stick to others.

You can take it orally or sublingually, but I don't think it's worth it to snort lorazepam.

RedBaron
25-11-2010, 07:07
Ok, thanks captain. I'll stick to good ole alprozolam.

Beerman
25-11-2010, 18:47
Thank you Captain for your answer!
Off topicI'll tell you tomorrow what happened with my doctor, i have to see her tomorrow to refill my bupe, valium and ambien scripts, let's see if i have luck saying her to gimme a script for loprazolam for switching from diazepam or ambien (i think midazolam is going to be imposible).
Another question to captain or to anyone who have you tried to IV zolpidem? is in any way similar to IVing midazolam or lorazepam?
Because I love IVing zolpidem when I have a low benzo tolerance, the amazing rush it gives that makes you trippy for a few seconds and then a lil bit relaxed and mild euphoric... :D

Thanks again to all BL members, you are doin a great job in that forum :)
Dave.

Captain.Heroin
26-11-2010, 06:25
Thank you Captain for your answer!
Off topicI'll tell you tomorrow what happened with my doctor, i have to see her tomorrow to refill my bupe, valium and ambien scripts, let's see if i have luck saying her to gimme a script for loprazolam for switching from diazepam or ambien (i think midazolam is going to be imposible).
Another question to captain or to anyone who have you tried to IV zolpidem? is in any way similar to IVing midazolam or lorazepam?
Because I love IVing zolpidem when I have a low benzo tolerance, the amazing rush it gives that makes you trippy for a few seconds and then a lil bit relaxed and mild euphoric... :D

Thanks again to all BL members, you are doin a great job in that forum :)
Dave.

I have never tried Z drugs, any ROA including IV. I would say it's probably not that similar though because Z drugs tend to be very specific for subtypes of receptors.

LivingOnValium
26-11-2010, 14:42
Thank you Captain for your answer!
Off topicI'll tell you tomorrow what happened with my doctor, i have to see her tomorrow to refill my bupe, valium and ambien scripts, let's see if i have luck saying her to gimme a script for loprazolam for switching from diazepam or ambien (i think midazolam is going to be imposible).
Another question to captain or to anyone who have you tried to IV zolpidem? is in any way similar to IVing midazolam or lorazepam?
Because I love IVing zolpidem when I have a low benzo tolerance, the amazing rush it gives that makes you trippy for a few seconds and then a lil bit relaxed and mild euphoric... :D

Thanks again to all BL members, you are doin a great job in that forum :)
Dave.

+1 IV zolpidem is fun from times to times, especially mixing it with other drugs. It's still ok on its' own but nothing special.

I once tried IV midazolam + zolpidem, that was weird, funny and fun!

chuchu
30-11-2010, 21:43
Any info on brand-name rohypnol and its solubility would be really great. i have been searching around for it(rohypnol specifically) and cant seem to get the pill composition i.e inactive ingredients. anyone with the info please p.m. me or post on this thread. PLUR

Captain.Heroin
30-11-2010, 21:48
Any info on brand-name rohypnol and its solubility would be really great. i have been searching around for it(rohypnol specifically) and cant seem to get the pill composition i.e inactive ingredients. anyone with the info please p.m. me or post on this thread. PLUR

This is the #1 downfall to eurobenzos. I can't find out any inactive ingredient information for Rohypnol, Dormicum, or Dormonoct.

I have also been looking for the same information you have, and would have it added by now had I found it. Sorry.

If you ever come across the information, PM it to me, and I'll post it in this thread (solubility information) and the Inactive Ingredients A to Z (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=534538) as well (inactive ingredient information).

debaser
30-11-2010, 23:09
French link for Rohypnol's inactive ingredients:

http://www.vidal.fr/Medicament/rohypnol-14593.htm

Before all the "scandal", there was only flunitrazepam and lactose in a pill...

Beerman
01-12-2010, 01:48
Thanks Captain! btw i really *recomend* you to try IVd zolpidem, like LivingOnValium said it's a little wierd 8o, but funny =D
Off topic: Well bad news for me, my doc says that I have to stay with valium with the same dose. FUCK! I said something like: "valium doesn't relief my anxiety anymore, please increase dose or change benzo" (wanted to switch to midazolam or loprazolam..) and she: "no, you may have anxiety because your low dose of prescribed suboxone (2mg), maybe we should increase suboxone dosage" and me: "i don't need more bupe, i'm 'covered' with that dose.." She: "one valium a day or you won't see more valium prescriptions" Me: ":|..ok i'll try, bye!" LOL
Asshole doc...8)
Anyway in 10 days refill again of zolpidem ^^ back to mixing 10-20mg Ambien + 0.5-1mg Bupe IVd. It's not like shoting H (obvious) but like i said, i really enjoy it =D, and anyway I'll keep trying to convince my doc or to find in the street some midaz or lopraz...
Be healthy!;)
PS: I won't post more off topics in that thread, sorry, I only wanted to tell how the "story ends".
Dave.

Captain.Heroin
01-12-2010, 02:47
French link for Rohypnol's inactive ingredients:

http://www.vidal.fr/Medicament/rohypnol-14593.htm

Before all the "scandal", there was only flunitrazepam and lactose in a pill...

Thanks so much! I couldn't find information anywhere about this.


Thanks Captain! btw i really *recomend* you to try IVd zolpidem, like LivingOnValium said it's a little wierd 8o, but funny =D

You're welcome! To be honest, I don't ever want to try the Z drugs.

I'm sorry to hear your doctor wouldn't go for it. I always hate when doctors are like "if you don't want the help that I was going to give you before you walked in this door, then forget about it" attitude they always carry to them. :\

Beerman
01-12-2010, 17:37
What about clorazepate? I think it's water soluble, but dunno how many mg/ml. http://www.drugbank.ca/drugs/DB00628
Good news, I can get some... yay! ^^ I can't wait to try, I'll be back with a report.
Captain H, is there any specific reason why ever want to try Z drugs?
Cya!

LivingOnValium
01-12-2010, 18:04
Any info on brand-name rohypnol and its solubility would be really great. i have been searching around for it(rohypnol specifically) and cant seem to get the pill composition i.e inactive ingredients. anyone with the info please p.m. me or post on this thread. PLUR

flunitrazepam is available in sweden under the brand name Fluscand.

http://www.epgonline.com/viewdrug.cfm/letter/F/language/LG0003/drugId/053288/drugName/Fluscand,-Tabletter-1-mg,-Enapharm-AB

Beerman
01-12-2010, 21:43
Very disapointed with clorazepate. Maybe the dose is too low, 5mg... No rush, maybe a lil more relaxed... Post 3 min after IVd. (.8ml of water used)

chuchu
02-12-2010, 04:28
French link for Rohypnol's inactive ingredients:

http://www.vidal.fr/Medicament/rohypnol-14593.htm

Before all the "scandal", there was only flunitrazepam and lactose in a pill...

Thank you very much kind sir. Rather disappointed about the talc though damn the scandals :)

Beerman
02-12-2010, 11:01
I've found that there are Clorazepate vials of powder of 20, 50 and 100mg (with manitol and clorazepate) and "specific" solvent ampoules of 2ml, 2.5ml and 5ml, for respective doses, (with water and dibasic potasic phosphate), and says that the solution has to be administrated inmediatly because it's "unstable".
I have capsules of 5mg (with talc and potassium carbonate anhidra(sp?)), I'm going to try now 25mg in 1ml of water. I'll try to inject it as fast as possible because of this "unstability". I'll post results.
What do you think "unstable" would mean in that case? Will clorazepate precipitate? or turn into nordiazepam? If anyone knows it would be good that post any answer.
Thank you!

debaser
02-12-2010, 12:41
^ It's not a good idea to inject benzos "as fast as possible".
On the contrary, you should inject it as slowly as possible to prevent any respiratory depression.

Captain.Heroin
02-12-2010, 14:21
Captain H, is there any specific reason why ever want to try Z drugs?

"Zopiclone may be carcinogenic and mutagenic according to rat, mice and hamster studies. It should be noted that, at 100 mg per kg of bodyweight per day, the dosage was considerably higher than the therapeutic dose for humans. The authors of an uncontrolled study of Zopiclone said that it may take decades in immunocompetent people before carcinogenic effects from past zopiclone use develops. It was suggested that further research and monitoring was required into the potential for zopiclone to cause cancer in immunocompetant patients.[1]

A recent analysis of FDA and clinical trial data shows that nonbenzodiazepine Z-drugs at prescribed doses cause cancer in humans. The data shows that trial subjects receiving hypnotic drugs had an increased the risk of developing cancer and malignancies. There have been 15 epidemiologic studies which have shown that hypnotic drugs cause increased mortality, mainly due to increased cancer deaths. The cancers included, cancer of the brain, lung, bowel, breast, and bladder, and neoplasms. Initially FDA reviewers did not want to approve the drugs due to concerns of cancer but ultimately changed their mind and approved the drugs despite the concerns. FDA data has shown that zolpidem, zaleplon and eszopiclone are clastogenic and cause cancer in rodents. Benzodiazepine agonists are associated with an increased risk of ovarian cancer in humans. Zopiclone was reportedly refused a product license by the FDA in the USA due to indications that zopiclone caused cancer. Development of a malignant neoplasm has been associated with zolpidem usage but the rate of incidence of neoplasm in zolpidem users is as yet unknown. The rates, in clinical trials for the nonbenzodiazepine Z drugs, of malignancies and neoplasms are significantly higher in hypnotic groups than in placebo groups. Also the analysis of clinical trials and FDA data showed that eszopiclone, zaleplon, and zolpidem appeared to have an adverse effect on the immune system causing an increased rate of infections and colds in hypnotic users. Suppression of immune function might be the cause of the increased rate of cancer in nonbenzodiazepine hypnotic users. Indiplon has also shown an increased rate of cancers in clinical trials. The review author concluded saying; "the likelihood of cancer causation is sufficiently strong now that physicians and patients should be warned that hypnotics possibly place patients at higher risk for cancer".[2]"

[1] Stebbing J; Waters L, Davies L, Mandalia S, Nelson M, Gazzard B, Bower M (1). "Incidence of cancer in individuals receiving chronic zopiclone or eszopiclone requires prospective study". J Clin Oncol 23 (31): 8134?6. doi:10.1200/JCO.2005.03.5881. PMID 16258120.

http://jco.ascopubs.org/cgi/content/full/23/31/8134

[2] Kripke, Daniel F (2008). "Evidence That New Hypnotics Cause Cancer" (PDF). Department of Psychiatry, UCSD. University of California. ?the likelihood of cancer causation is sufficiently strong now that physicians and patients should be warned that hypnotics possibly place patients at higher risk for cancer."

http://jco.ascopubs.org/cgi/content/full/23/31/8134

Original Article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zopiclone

I personally wouldn't risk taking Z-drugs, when I know that I like traditional benzodiazepines.

NeighborhoodThreat
02-12-2010, 16:39
I'm with CH here, benzos have been around for a while, the Z-drugs seemed to have been rushed right through testing and then aggressively marketed, its only after they've been around for a few years that problems start to show up :P

Beerman
03-12-2010, 03:09
OMG Captain.H., idk that Z-drugs were SO carcinogenic... I'll keep that in mind, thanks for the info so much.

The other topic, I tried 25mg IVd clorazepate, it's totally worthless, I mean, no rush, nothing special, only a lil pain in the injection site (not a missed shot), and maybe faster onset, VERY disapointed...
Be safe!

Captain.Heroin
03-12-2010, 03:15
OMG Captain.H., idk that Z-drugs were SO carcinogenic... I'll keep that in mind, thanks for the info so much.

The other topic, I tried 25mg IVd clorazepate, it's totally worthless, I mean, no rush, nothing special, only a lil pain in the injection site (not a missed shot), and maybe faster onset, VERY disapointed...
Be safe!

Sorry to hear it was disappointing!

Hopefully you can try midazolam one day. :)

Beerman
03-12-2010, 13:38
Sorry to hear it was disappointing!

Hopefully you can try midazolam one day. :)
Thanks, I hope I can try some day too =D

crazykidck69
21-12-2010, 23:32
I take .5 mg of triazolam and a a bit dissappointed with it! Its not all what its cracked up to be!

Captain.Heroin
22-12-2010, 01:23
I take .5 mg of triazolam and a a bit dissappointed with it! Its not all what its cracked up to be!

Yeah, I like temazepam and midazolam more than triazolam.

drugs
03-01-2011, 19:26
Junkies around these parts love injecting flunitrazepam containing pills. It is usually prepared by crushing the pill in a spoon and adding water, the resulting water/pill solution is then boiled, filtered, and injected. The amount of water added varies depending on the number of pills to be cooked - Ive seen people use as much as 10ml for 2 1mg pills, and then boiling down the solution to 1-2ml - to simply adding 2.5ml(standard barrel size).

How much of the flunitrazepam actually makes it into solution I have no idea( I cant find any conclusive data on watersolubility, only anecdotal info like 'alomost insoluble in water', which seem to indicate poor solubility like with most benzos.), but it seems to be somewhat soluble, as people get good effects, and claim the rush is very euphoric. Flunitrazepam is a pretty potent benzo too, so maybe small amounts like 100-200ug would provide good effects IV? All speculation on my part though.

The ultimate junk kick around here is flunitrazepam + heroin IV in the same barrel.

DexterMeth
03-01-2011, 21:00
God I love benzos and opiates so much. So much that I can't touch them very much anymore.

debaser
03-01-2011, 21:44
French link for Dormonoct (Havlane - loprazolam mesilate) inactive ingredients (didn't know if you had access to it, Captain Heroin):

http://www.vidal.fr/Medicament/havlane-7972.htm