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Mora Fiend
20-11-2009, 03:51
Not sure if this is the correct place for this, if not I apologize. I notice that when I do opiates in the evening and I lay in bed my body sometimes jerks. Sometimes it's my leg, sometimes my chest, but it's starting to worry me. It's my understanding that dopamine is what controls muscle contractions, at least that's what I was told. Is it possible that the opiates are effecting the dopamine in my brain and causing involuntary jerks in my body? Can anyone elaborate on this, is it something to worry about? When I don't do opiates my body doesn't jerk, any input?

Cosmic Charlie
20-11-2009, 03:55
are you nodding off and then snapping out of it abruptly

StrawPipes
20-11-2009, 03:59
That's kind of ironic. That has also been happening to me lately and it never use too. I think you'll be fine as I'm pretty sure that Opiates have no affiliation with dopamine in the body.

Do you have insomnia as well? It could probably be a sleep disorder such as restless leg syndrome, etc..

Moreover, how bad is it? Is it a constant twitch or just here and there every couple of days?

blau1005
20-11-2009, 05:04
I get exactly the same thing and I don't know why. Usually it's only once or twice but it is a bit worrying. Taking a break seems to get rid of it though.

Korn3x
20-11-2009, 05:13
could u guys elaborate a little more about this? is it like twitching? because i twitch a little bit when i'm on opiates because of the way it makes me feel good.

is what you're talking about a really violent movement or something?

xxkcxx
20-11-2009, 05:13
are you nodding off and then snapping out of it abruptly

This was my first guess.


Also, if it is happening awhile after you dose, it could just be one of your first wd symptoms. Something like, the muscle relaxation wearing off.

DrugOmen
20-11-2009, 05:14
I dont think its anything to worry about. I think it is just twitching caused by the extra energy in your body. Pretty much every drug does this to me, especially weed.

loveanda45
20-11-2009, 05:29
This has happened to me before too, typically after I've been using heavily for days in a row. It seems to be caused by being "jerked awake" as you are nodding off (in a very abrasive and startling way!).

I cut way back on my usage and haven't experienced it in months, so if it's really bothering you, maybe that's your answer...

triiper
20-11-2009, 07:01
yeah this NEVER happened to me before i took opiates (and i've been on everything). now i get it if i smoke weed. i don't understand it at all.

rollin_stoned
20-11-2009, 07:21
this happened to me a couple nights ago and i wanted to post a thing on here.

but it was more of like I could sense them coming....like one time i had my eyes closed and i saw a yellow flash and my body jumped but i could sense it coming right before i saw the flash. than another time my eyes were shut yet i saw like a blanket or something being slapped against my back and i jumped right then.

idk, that's probably the worst description of it but the best i can do

Shambles
20-11-2009, 07:24
Sounds rather like hypnagogic jerks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnic_jerk) to me. Very common and can be caused by any number of reasons - including many drugs. Personally, I really would doubt opiate use having caused any damage - other than possibly the effects it can have on your sleeping patterns. Plenty of threads on hypnagogia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia) around if you search - really is a very common thing.

Alternatively, could just be nodding as you'd expect when you take opiates. Either way, it's nothing to worry too much about, I would think.

triiper
20-11-2009, 07:48
i know exactly what you're referring to shambles but what i have is different. sounds a lot like what the OP has, but not me. i get jerks when i'm not trying to sleep. i lay in bed just fine.

xxkcxx
20-11-2009, 07:50
^ are you on any kind of psych meds? I used to get jerks when I was on Prozac and Seroquel and Lithium (all at separate times).

ech0s85
20-11-2009, 19:11
thats weird, ive only ever started jerking and spazzing out when i start to kick.

MemphisX3
20-11-2009, 19:16
Not sure if this is the correct place for this, if not I apologize. I notice that when I do opiates in the evening and I lay in bed my body sometimes jerks. Sometimes it's my leg, sometimes my chest, but it's starting to worry me. It's my understanding that dopamine is what controls muscle contractions, at least that's what I was told. Is it possible that the opiates are effecting the dopamine in my brain and causing involuntary jerks in my body? Can anyone elaborate on this, is it something to worry about? When I don't do opiates my body doesn't jerk, any input?

this is how my girl used to know if i dosed that day....









when i would sleep i would jerk constantly in my sleep, sometimes i would sleep thru it but more often than not it would wake me...i never put too much worry into it, but then again when you dose 3-4 times daily i dont think you put too much worry into anything, i chalked it up to my body doing its thing to keep it from giving up....if that makes any sense, as in its a mechanism your body uses to make sure EVERYTHING doesnt go to sleep....








just my view and experience.

ocpheend
20-11-2009, 19:19
happens to me somtimes rite as im falling asleep, i didint even notice it was actualy my x that said somthing eventualy started laughing at me for it lol... bitch shuda bin like shut da fuq up.

MemphisX3
20-11-2009, 19:20
and when i say jerk...i dont narrow it to one body part. sometimes it would be my legs, sometimes my arms, sometimes my entire body would "jerk" and wake me









im not into giving in depth scientific answers so im keeping to my body mechanism theory.

MemphisX3
20-11-2009, 19:24
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnic_jerk




that makes a ton of sense....








"When a subject is deprived of sleep and is trying to fight sleep, hypnic jerks can sometimes occur more frequently. This normally happens to subjects who have deprived themselves of sleep for longer than 24 hours, or to those who have recently awakened after insufficient sleep"





nbd js....but if opiates throw you into a nod and more or less trick your brain into believing it is going to sleep than this kind of reaction would be absolutely normal for an opiate addict nodding out and "jerking" out of a nod....you are more or less fighting sleep, or atleast i never wanted to be nodding uncontrolably.

Eight0Eight
20-11-2009, 20:20
I get this all the time on opiates.

Often, my legs/arms will "jolt" violently - as if somebody is putting an electric charge through the limb in question.

I've found it happens most when I'm lying down. When I'm using, it will happen at *least* once a day. When I'm sticking to my Subutx script and not touching using on top it never happens.

pallidamors
20-11-2009, 20:44
opiates can cause myclonic jerking like that, at times.

but reading the thread title i just got reminded of my years of oc abuse where id wake up when the drugs wore off and would find myself strokin the ol morning wood.

anonymous1419
21-11-2009, 00:30
I get this same thing too, not very often but I've wondered about this as well. It's not from nodding off either I don't think, I've gotten this when I haven't been nodding at all.

StaffWriter
21-11-2009, 00:52
When I mixed an antibiotic (clindamycin) with my usual suboxone dose. It was downright annoying. The twitching didnt only come with the onset of sleep (although it did) but in the middle of the day. It might be a muscle in my forearm, thigh or from my chest. I would wake suddenly with these twitches and they were quite a nusiance. As soon as the antibiotic therapy was over, the twitches ceased.

woamotive
21-11-2009, 01:02
This happens to me ALL the time as a result of my opiate use. I have muscle spasms (esp in my legs) during the day but mostly in the evening and at night. It's very very irritating. As far as I know, nothing helps to make it stop.

Pillmatic502
21-11-2009, 01:10
Sounds rather like hypnagogic jerks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnic_jerk) to me. Very common and can be caused by any number of reasons - including many drugs. Personally, I really would doubt opiate use having caused any damage - other than possibly the effects it can have on your sleeping patterns. Plenty of threads on hypnagogia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia) around if you search - really is a very common thing.

Alternatively, could just be nodding as you'd expect when you take opiates. Either way, it's nothing to worry too much about, I would think.

This is the reason, Is it not like jerking more like twitching of muscles, or other places I have it all the time, i dont think its just opiates maybe nerves. Im not a doctor but I do notice it more when Im high =D nothing to worry about imo but I have been using daily & last night i slept 2 hours while under the influence, so this may be the same thing who knows & it does different places at different time, for instance some days never some days in my thigh then an hour later my upper arm, then my chest, its just random i dont think its anything to be scared of

edarrin
21-11-2009, 01:41
opiates definitely affect dopamie. That is part of the pleasure from them...stimulation of dopamine in certain brain regions.

I have had that for quite a while myself. Try magnesium and taurine. I find they help. A lot of people have a magnesium deficency.

Mora Fiend
21-11-2009, 01:53
Alright im glad it's not just me!

threesfoursfives
31-03-2010, 09:52
Ok - I have experienced exactly what you are talking about, and also experienced the hypnogic jerks. They are not the same thing.
The jerk is a sleep related action, or can be linked to the 'nodding, jerk conscious' that people describe.

The other -
My opiate use has been heavy for the last 6 months of a 2 year habit, and this has only started occurring in the past few months. Involuntary spasm, leg, back, arm, usually when lying down at night - though start well before I am drifting to sleep. In fact, it is causing me to have issues falling asleep, as my body shunts and pops every 30 seconds for an hour sometimes.
Tried breathing excercises, as well as concentration and other mental controls - no help. It is electric, and is some signal from the brain that is sent in error.

I am worried, admittedly, as I can find no research beyond this thread that accurately describes this. It is very probable it is linked to opiate use, I just hope it is not a degenerative issue, ie health problem caused by prolonged usage of opiates.

The more data on here, the more I could collate and take to a physician.
TFF

DangerChamber
31-03-2010, 10:24
This happens to me all the time. But its more like an innocent twitch instead of a violent jerk. :(

Secobarbital
31-03-2010, 15:47
Yea, its just a "twitch". Not all opiates cause it, opana caused it bad, oxycodone is kinda bad sometimes too. It's weird, but id doubt dangerous, might even be a listed side-effect of some drugs. Opiates and pot together make for a twitchfest for me, I just kinda enjoy it even I guess.

BrokedownPalace
31-03-2010, 16:14
Since I started taking methadone a month or two ago, I have been getting these "twitches" quite often. They especially happen at night right before I fall asleep, and are incredibly annoying to the point where I have trouble falling asleep. Also, these twitches that happen right before falling asleep seem to send me into sleep paralysis quite often. Atleast 3 days a week. Scary shit, although I have been dealing with sleep paralysis for many years, I can recognize it and control it now for the most part. I even have managed a couple "out of body" experiences during sleep paralysis. Anyway, back on topic. I also have gotten these twitches randomly during the day, like sitting at the computer or in the car, just purely random. I'm on methadone daily, (70mg) and like I said it has been much more pronounced since switching from heroin to the 'done.

monstanoodle
31-03-2010, 16:21
Alright im glad it's not just me!

Yea yer definitely not alone ;)
I get it sometimes too. It could be either, as Shammy said, a Hypnagogic jerk or purely that yer nodding out and jerking back to full consciousness.
Again, nowt to worry about I doubt :)

sixpartseven
01-04-2010, 03:22
I think you'll be fine as I'm pretty sure that Opiates have no affiliation with dopamine in the body. ?

lol what?

They certainly do have an affect on dopamine production.

All addictive substances have some effect on dopamine. Dopamine is what causes the "runner's high" and is the reward factor that enforces a certain behavior. If opiates didn't affect dopamine, chances are, they wouldn't be nearly as addictive. They would certainly still be addictive because they also affect many other functions in the brain, but without dopamine, that psychological urge to keep using the opiate wouldn't be there, preventing a lot of people from using it continually.

This may explain it better...


This euphoric effect also appears to involve another mechanism in which the GABA-inhibitory interneurons of the ventral tegmental area come into play. By attaching to their mu receptors, exogenous opioids reduce the amount of GABA released (see animation). Normally, GABA reduces the amount of dopamine released in the nucleus accumbens. By inhibiting this inhibitor, the opiates ultimately increase the amount of dopamine produced and the amount of pleasure felt.

source (http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/i/i_03/i_03_m/i_03_m_par/i_03_m_par_heroine.html)

Anyone who wants to understand the basic mechanics behind how drugs work in the brain should check that link out.

izzy66
01-04-2010, 04:43
like many ppl i get hypnagogic jerks and sleep paralysis which is def related to lack of sleep.
however, for several years i've had wicked neck/head jerks. not twitches but a hard snap. when it happens i hear a loud noise which i thought was my neck or jaw popping but other ppl don't hear it so it must just be my wee brain slamming around in my big skull ;)
idk, shit happens. why really doesn't matter. as long as my neck doesn't break, it's just another one of those annoying things.
-izzy

Hewo
01-04-2010, 05:24
its actually funny i have been getting "twitch's" (slight muscle spasms about 1-2 a hour after i snort a 60mg oxy) and when my doctor switched one of my other meds i told him it made me twitch but the .5mg alprazolam pills stoped it(wich they for some reason seemed to or maybee i was just to high to notice the twitching) now he just doubled my dose of said medicain(regalin) and i got him to bump my xanys from 3 .5's a day to 4 1mg's a day and now i dont twitch anymore

moclov4
12-02-2012, 14:57
wow, glad I found this thread ... I was starting to feel like this was somewhat of a rare occurrence, and that it wasn't normal at all ... so I guess no one can say that there are really any long-term negative effects? to me, it's just kind of annoying for the most part; I guess I'd rather have it be annoying than, say, painful or something!

doglover
19-05-2013, 07:10
It's called a myoclonic jerk. It has nothing to do with dopamine. When your respiratory and heart rate drop below a certain level, the brain checks to make sure the body isn't dying by sending a nerve impulse. This is the jerk u feel. This can also occur when u are falling asleep drug free. Nothing to worry about. As long as your heart is beating and you are breathing you're good.

doglover
19-05-2013, 07:15
Myoclonic jerk. Google it. This is the correct answer

bluestar79
19-05-2013, 10:30
I have experience this myself. For me it was related to switching to a higher strength opiate with an. (Almost) unlimited supply.
I'm betting those who are experiencing this have upped doses, recently joined MMT, or have had an increase in amount of opiate drug intake.
I used to jerk so hard I think.it freaked my GF out. Not sure if it bothered her as much as when she looked at me and 1 eye pointed at ceiling the other floor.
Another junkie special.

Stop or lower dose and effect should cease. Mine did

ShaunG
19-05-2013, 19:19
i literally can't sleep on opiate sometimes because of this. I dose early in the day to avoid it or I will need xanax to not do it.

Oxy8_8
20-05-2013, 02:25
Not sure if this is the correct place for this, if not I apologize. I notice that when I do opiates in the evening and I lay in bed my body sometimes jerks. Sometimes it's my leg, sometimes my chest, but it's starting to worry me. It's my understanding that dopamine is what controls muscle contractions, at least that's what I was told. Is it possible that the opiates are effecting the dopamine in my brain and causing involuntary jerks in my body? Can anyone elaborate on this, is it something to worry about? When I don't do opiates my body doesn't jerk, any input?

That happened to me at night especially when I first started taking oramorph (liquid morphine sulphate). It went away after a couple weeks.

Tramadol gave me MASSIVE full-body twitches and seizure-like activity. I abruptly stopped it. I think I came very close to having a seizure with the tramadol.

Folley
20-05-2013, 02:28
I get this a lot more with speed... oh, nvm should have read the thread.