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AlphaMethylPhenyl
16-09-2012, 19:37
I was taking it sublingually and orally.

The fact that it alleviates benzodiazepine withdrawal well, works against GAD, and anecdotal reports of drunkenness should be be enough in conjunction with the majority of sources to conclude that Kava works by increasing GABA.

http://journals.lww.com/psychopharmacology/Abstract/2000/02000/Efficacy_of_Kava_Extract_for_Treating_Anxiety_.14. aspx
http://sydney.edu.au/medicine/pharmacology/adrien-albert/images/pdfs/RefsPDFs/390.pdf

I don't have time to round up many sources. Even if I did you would probably still state that the majority of sources do not reference Kava as increasing GABA, though they do. Just do a simple search.

BananasAndOranges
16-09-2012, 23:42
I just got some Full Spectrum type dealio from an online vendor. I have had a paste before from this same place and I am a little confused. This paste is somewhat slimey or gooey. It is not...as clay like as the cold water extraxt paste I had. Should I be worried about this shit? Is it normal?

AlphaMethylPhenyl
17-09-2012, 00:48
No way for us to tell and we're not going to verify your drugs but I don't see why not. There is only one way for you to tell.

Tarnum
01-10-2012, 20:52
I imagine the root is best but Kaviar Kava extract does the trick also...from experience
84% kavalactone paste is the best. Some people say its expensive but maybe its the vendor? i find i can get atleast 5 uses for an amount that costs less than a dose of H smoked on foil...
I also mixed kava root powder in milkshakes and they actually taste good!

bloodshed344
25-10-2012, 01:19
Kava shakes are the bomb. There is definitely business potential in it.

Tarnum
25-10-2012, 03:14
Kava shakes are the bomb. There is definitely business potential in it.

Definitely! the numbness/flavor actually goes well with the sweetness of a milkshake. It almost tastes like cinnamon

CrazyC
25-10-2012, 03:57
Hello all! I am in SUCH a great blissed-out mood! This is the sweet spot I have been chasing after with my supply of alcohol and benzos. Of course nothing good came out of that...led me sraight to the lock down psych ward. The withdrawal from benzos were horrible, even though they tapered me with Ativan...I just felt dead and numb - not comfortably - for months, PAWS was a bitch. SO.....NO benzos and Booze!! That still leaves me with my high strung nature, prone to anxiety and panic attacks. I got some Kava-root tincture at the local health food store. I made some Celestial Seasonings Tension Tamer tea and added some kratom powder and 60 drops of the tincture. The minty, gingery taste of the tea goes very will with those additives.

My evening combo: 10 perc
150 milligrams lyrica
2-5g capsules Maeng Da
Two cups of the herbal tea, prepared with a teaspoon of the Kratom and 60 drops of root extract

I can't believe how good I feel! No pain and no muscle tension, and -- the main thing for me -- my mind is at peace. I am sitting out on my porch on this wonderful fall evening, listening to music, and it SURE is sounding good. Everything just feels good. I will wake up tomorrow and my shitty problems will still be waiting, but I sure as hell ain't gonna think of that right now. I am going to sit out in the cool fall air and enjoy the trip.

C.

Tarnum
25-10-2012, 04:57
Hello all! I am in SUCH a great blissed-out mood! This is the sweet spot I have been chasing after with my supply of alcohol and benzos. Of course nothing good came out of that...led me sraight to the lock down psych ward. The withdrawal from benzos were horrible, even though they tapered me with Ativan...I just felt dead and numb - not comfortably - for months, PAWS was a bitch. SO.....NO benzos and Booze!! That still leaves me with my high strung nature, prone to anxiety and panic attacks. I made some Celestial Seasonings Tension Tamer tea and added some kratom powder and 60 drops of the tincture. The minty, gingery taste of the tea goes very will with those additives.

My evening combo: 10 perc
150 milligrams lyrica
2-5g capsules Maeng Da
Two cups of the herbal tea, prepared with a teaspoon of the Kratom and 60 drops of root extract

I can't believe how good I feel! No pain and no muscle tension, and -- the main thing for me -- my mind is at peace. I am sitting out on my porch on this wonderful fall evening, listening to music, and it SURE is sounding good. Everything just feels good. I will wake up tomorrow and my shitty problems will still be waiting, but I sure as hell ain't gonna think of that right now. I am going to sit out in the cool fall air and enjoy the trip.

C.

Kava Kava isnt the same as kratom..idk maybe you got confused, that is more of an experience report...
But Good for you! I love kratom also :D Since you were talking about benzo paws and your abuse with the gabas, i thought you were going to say you drank some kava lol!
In fact, i think you should try it, and alternate between kava and kratom because kratom can cause dependency/addiction and withdrawals if you use for even 2-3 days in a row!
Good luck, and im always eager to help out with more info on the subject :)

damn i just noticed the extract was a kava extract! sorry about that :| haha
anyways im glad you are going in the more natural, less harmful substance path!

CrazyC
25-10-2012, 09:18
That's OK, lol. I really didn't mention Kava that much, did I? I know there were a lot of other chemicals involved but I believe the Kava made the difference. I just woke up in the middle of the night and I still feel pretty calm and able to go back to sleep.

C.

Tarnum
25-10-2012, 18:01
That's OK, lol. I really didn't mention Kava that much, did I? I know there were a lot of other chemicals involved but I believe the Kava made the difference. I just woke up in the middle of the night and I still feel pretty calm and able to go back to sleep.

C.

hell yea i think some of the kavalactones have like a half life of 12 hours but most of them around 6 hours if i remember correctly!
Have you tried the kava alone? I find it gives me a really happy, almost opiatey, kind of rush for 15 minutes! Unless of course im in withdrawals lol (its funny now, but ill remember this next time im in withdrawals ha)

Tryptamino
02-11-2012, 03:31
does anybody know how quickly kava builds tolerance? I've used it as a sleep aid combined with passionflower and valerian for around a year or two, but about a month ago, I bought a bag of Hawaiian powdered Kava (which I later discovered was a poorly-reviewed brand) and made my first cup, and felt effects from just a few sips, but recently I've noticed that its effects are barely noticable. Also, is there any risk of physical dependence? thanks errbody

ldawg616
27-11-2012, 17:20
Ive been reading mixed reviews about this kava stuff, how much does it cost at vitamin shops?

mrflowers00
27-11-2012, 19:25
kava is awful when your in opiate withdrawals

Swimmingdancer
28-11-2012, 05:13
kava is awful when your in opiate withdrawals

It seems to vary from person to person and may depend on what opioid they were taking, but I feel like kava can exacerbate the withdrawals (usually after it wears off). I wonder if it is increasing the elimination of the opioid from the body?


does anybody know how quickly kava builds tolerance?
Also, is there any risk of physical dependence?
I have taken it daily for months at a time without noticing any dependence and only slight tolerance, but there are a few people on here who will say it is dependence-causing. It probably depends on the person and on how much they're taking as well, I wasn't usually taking high doses for long periods of time (I've done maybe ~3 weeks of daily large doses at the most). So I think it is not likely to rapidly cause serious dependence, but it is possible and so it's best to be careful and not get into the habit of frequently taking high doses.

ldawg616
02-12-2012, 03:25
i just bought kava kava with 30% kavalactones 250mg..it says take one but im trying to get sedated, should i take more or should i take 1 and see how i feel? I have a high benzo tolerance so is that going to play a factor?

Swimmingdancer
02-12-2012, 03:33
i just bought kava kava with 30% kavalactones 250mg..it says take one but im trying to get sedated, should i take more or should i take 1 and see how i feel? I have a high benzo tolerance so is that going to play a factor?

Who knows, all kava is different and all people are different, just start with one and see how it affects you and go from there.

ldawg616
02-12-2012, 04:35
damnit i dont feel shit, i bought the kava kava extract 250mg root powder capsules w/ 30% kavalactones, took 1 and dont feel shit..should i have just bought the tea at the store like the ppl at this 1 store said or what? Is the tea the one that numbs your mouth and throat? That would make it seem like it would be more likely to work


or is it because i just have a high benzo tolerance?

mrflowers00
02-12-2012, 06:27
yeah thats a pretty low dose

ErgicMergic
02-12-2012, 08:05
The "30% Kavalactones" 250mg extracts are very weak, and dangerous, since a couple of companies had reportedly used the leaves in their extract. You can only eat the extract of the Kava rhizmome and root, not of the leaf, since the leaf contians a unique kavalactone that causes liver damage, hence the FDA report on every Kava product sold in the US, regardless of its leaf content.

I would much rather suggest going with the Herb-Pharm Kava alcohol-based-tincture, in the glass bottles which comes in 1oz and 4oz bottles with a dropper bottle as the screwtop. That dropper bottle is used to measure out 40-100 drops (150-200 if you have a high Kava tolerance), which is squirted in to about 8 oz of water or juice. The effects are potent, and the quality consistent, and the "high" is consistent, too, due the precision of doses with a standardized tincture (extract in grain alcohol).

Wolfmans_BrothEr
02-12-2012, 17:15
kava is awful when your in opiate withdrawals

Can anyone else attest to this? I've used kratom to kinda level out from opiates and I'm about to b done. Can someone give me any info on how much to take and any other natural supplements I can mix to allow me to still go to school and such?

I can take pretty much any form right? Except stay away from extracts if possible?

BananasAndOranges
03-12-2012, 00:03
Can anyone else attest to this? I've used kratom to kinda level out from opiates and I'm about to b done. Can someone give me any info on how much to take and any other natural supplements I can mix to allow me to still go to school and such?

I can take pretty much any form right? Except stay away from extracts if possible?
Stay away from those stupid little capsules or whatever. You cant make tea out of kava unless its cold. Kava to me has always potentiated any Methadone in my system I Think? Im not quite sure but honestly the only reason I bought the stuff was for the warmth I got from it. Now Im scared to drink Kava as my last few experiences caused breathing issues at night. I take Xanax so Im guessing it has something to do with that.

Swimmingdancer
03-12-2012, 09:05
Can anyone else attest to this? I've used kratom to kinda level out from opiates and I'm about to b done. Can someone give me any info on how much to take and any other natural supplements I can mix to allow me to still go to school and such?

I can take pretty much any form right? Except stay away from extracts if possible?

I find the problem is that if you take too much kava it seems to speed the elimination of opioids from the system, hence increasing withdrawals or making withdrawals come on faster. Personally I don't find it problematic in small doses. It may vary from person to person though, as some people report having no problems with high kava doses while in withdrawal (maybe it can also vary depending on what opioid you're WD-ing from and whether you've quit completely or are just tapering it?)

As for how much kava to use, that depends on the desired effect and the particular kava you have, all you can really do is start low and experiment. Pure powdered root or capsules that only contain powdered root are best (although the capsules are more expensive, I just get them because they are very convenient - easier to measure doses, require no preparation etc - and I can purchase them at the health food store, the bulk root is more economical).

As for other supplements, do you mean other supplements to help with opioid withdrawal? There are a ton, I can try to search for some threads that go into detail or I can give you the list of ones I've found helpful if you like?

vagabond_drifter
03-12-2012, 17:32
Combining kava with marijuana induced almost psychedelic effects (slight visual alterations, but very subtle), a slight pleasant-tingling feeling throughout my body and utter relaxation.

ldawg616
06-12-2012, 00:32
i bought the 250mg root caplsules with 30% kavalactones, took 5 and felt nothing...how much should I take to feel anything?

theantiadult
12-03-2013, 20:31
kava has a very noticeble calming effect that is very helpful.it helps with anxiety,depression ect. it helps sum with pain especially tension headache type pain.the information the op posted in this megathread sum of it is incorrect and probly copied from an overly paranoid warning label places on the back of a few kava supplement bottles.kava does work best if a drink is made with kava powder and sumthing like say pineapple coconut juice or sum kind of drink mix.it doesnt matter how old the drinker is its perfectly safe 2 drink it. a beverage containing kava drunk by babies who r like 1 year old will not cauze them harm.its safer than coffee.it has many health benifits sum not mentioned here.

banana king 84
13-03-2013, 04:49
That's correct, root only: no liver damage. Nearly all of the countries that banned it in the early 2000's have since lifted the ban as it became clear that only the leaves & stem of kava cause liver problems, which a few unscrupulous manufacturers had used due to the shortage of kava during that time of it's surging popularity. Buy from a reliable vendor, kava from Vanuatu is most potent but I enjoy stuff from Kona (Hawaii). Kava is fat soluble so it's best to soak it in whole milk, coconut milk, or soy milk to release the kavalactones. I usually put 2-5 teaspoons of powdered kava with 3 cups vanilla coconut milk beverage, blend for a few minutes, then strain the mixture through a sock (used only for this purpose) keeping the sock open with a hollowed out plastic cup. Temperatures above 140 F destroy kavalactone, so drink it cold, or at least warm, it is not a traditional "Earl Gray" type tea. I kneed it like you would dough for 8 minutes in the milk, getting all the good stuff out just like they do in the Pacific. I drink a couple glasses on an empty stomach and am feeling relaxed and slightly euphoric in 10 minutes. Just like any other tea, you can keep adding more liquid to the pulp if you're worried about wasting any. My local health food coop has kava root chips, which also work good after being blended. With the powder you can drink it without straining, but I'd still run it through a wire mesh to make it a bit more palatable. Aloha No!

AlphaMethylPhenyl
14-03-2013, 04:50
In the process of making an extract. I was pleasantly surprised on the sheer synergy of a moderate amount with three beers; it felt like the euphoria of six beers plus weed with little-no nausea or otherwise negative effects.

bloodshed344
14-03-2013, 17:35
In the process of making an extract. I was pleasantly surprised on the sheer synergy of a moderate amount with three beers; it felt like the euphoria of six beers plus weed with little-no nausea or otherwise negative effects.

Indeed the only real side effect that stopped me from dosing any higher (not really it just felt weird) was that my heart started beating somewhat faster and harder. Afterwards I looked it up and found that kava is one of many plants with phenethylamines in it, such as saffron or nutmeg. This made sense from the feeling it gave me, which was not only anxiety-relieving and relaxing on the body, but stimulating, energetic, and euphoric. These effects were noted with the whole root (chewed just how it is, its fun) much more than with any other form.

banana king 84
24-03-2013, 05:20
The thing about kava is that it's not really a good substitute for any drug out there due to it's undesirable side effects, which include nausea, tiredness, expense, and route of administration (gulping a mud-like grog on an empty stomach). It's hard to determine this threshold, since many experience reverse tolerance with kava which means they feel nothing the first couple times and later finally feel it but wonder why it was worth it. I tried kava paste when I was 15, was a bit drunk at the time but even sober I felt no effect from it so forgot about it for 10 years. I tried extracts & capsules, no effect. Then I notice my local health food coop has it in root chip form so I try it again, i feel something but it's hard to tell if it's just cause my stomach's empty & finally getting something in it.
Recently I read "Getting Stoned with Savages" an exaggerated account of an American expat living in Vanuatu, & find out kava really can intoxicate you. I love the fact it's from the South Pacific & natural, so I order some root powder, prepare it properly and voila! it works, effects felt in 10 minutes, like alcohol except worse in every way. It's called grog for a reason, I mean it gives you a little empathetic buzz very similar to having 3 or 4 drinks, you're relaxed & might become talkative which makes you want more to keep it going, but then you will get nauseous & dizzy. Plus you have to eat at some point but with kava you won't get any buzz drinking it on a full stomach. The smell of it seems to get stuck in your nasal passages too which doesn't help your queasiness. Even experienced users have a hard time stomaching it and take it more for the anti-anxiety qualities than for a high. Most of the people who get excited about it are looking for a non-addictive substitute to alcohol, but alas alcohol is similar to the Winston Churchill quote "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." My advice, if you must try it, buy a quality 1/4 lb. bag, don't get all irrational and but a whole kilo like I'm stuck with.....

Swimmingdancer
24-03-2013, 06:09
^I guess that just goes to show how different everyone is. Personally I have no problem stomaching it, have never noticed nausea from it and don't really even mind the taste that much if I prepare it in the traditional manner, it's just weird and earthy and numbs the mouth. I don't like drinking it without filtering the particles of root out first though, that is gross. I also don't find it to do nothing when taken on a full stomach, although even if you feel that is the case for you that shouldn't prevent you from eating, you can always drink it and then eat. I definitely do not consider it "worse in every way" than alcohol!


It's called grog for a reason

The reason kava beverage in Fiji is sometimes called "grog" is just because alcohol is referred to as "grog" in Australia and Fiji is close to Australia. It was like the native Fijians' version of alcohol, what they would drink instead, so it became referred to by some as "grog".

banana king 84
24-03-2013, 15:02
^ Well, i guess as they say "all things in moderation". I'm happy kava works for you, just wondering how you prepare it, I use 2 heaping tbl spoons of root powder, mix with 16 oz soy milk and 1/2 teaspoon soy lecithin, blend it on high a few minutes, then let it set for 5+ hrs. I read that people use water but some kavalactones are fat soluble, that's why I like soy milk. I run it through a wire strainer but otherwise drink it down whole. I'm kind of happy I don't like it too much though, just another habit. I guess it is better than alcohol in that there's no awful hangover the next morning, but for me there's little variance between a recreational dose and an immoderate one which puts a damper on the good times. Oh well...

cpuller
24-03-2013, 15:02
I find it very nice and I think its also a feature that you cant get black out drunk from it and not a weakness as you say.
I wouldnt buy a kilo of anything that I never tried before.

There is some study that suggests that kava increases your GABA receptor density which would be a good thing because that means for the abuser of GABAergic drugs this can to some extend fix the physical addiction or make a withdrawel easier.
Again for somebody who is heavily addicted this is less likely a cure.

EarthBounded
24-03-2013, 22:53
This is a beautiful plant root but it messed my Liver up... Always use this in moderation with no other substance.

Swimmingdancer
25-03-2013, 00:09
^ Well, i guess as they say "all things in moderation". I'm happy kava works for you, just wondering how you prepare it, I use 2 heaping tbl spoons of root powder, mix with 16 oz soy milk and 1/2 teaspoon soy lecithin, blend it on high a few minutes, then let it set for 5+ hrs. I read that people use water but some kavalactones are fat soluble, that's why I like soy milk. I run it through a wire strainer but otherwise drink it down whole.

Recreationally I have mostly used the traditional method of putting crushed root in a cloth bag and swishing it in cold water for a decent amount of time, which if done correctly can produce excellent results. Another method I have used is similar to what you describe, using a blender, some water and soy milk, (although I definitely didn't let it sit for 5 hrs) except that I filtered it using a coffee filter (I can't remember if it was best to add the soy milk before or after filtering). However honestly the taste doesn't bother me, but once when I tried root + water in a blender without proper filtration it was gross and hard to drink though, or once when I drank a lot of kava the taste was starting to bug me. No nausea though.

If I am just using low doses for therapeutic purposes (insomnia, anxiety, drug withdrawal, interstitial cystitis or bladder infections, etc) I will just put powdered root in capsules or buy some good quality capsules containing whole root powder, as that's easier.


This is a beautiful plant root but it messed my Liver up... Always use this in moderation with no other substance.
May I ask what form you were taking it in and what lead you to conclude it messed up your liver?

Expansion420
25-03-2013, 05:46
Didnt read through the whole thread but in case anyone is interested, I placed a drop of grain alcohol kava extract on a small piece of paper towel, waited for it to dry, and Marquis tested it. Immediate red fading to brown over time.

May be useful information when purchasing root powder or capsules from a new source.

Can anyone verify my result? I can post a result for Mandelin and Ehrlich's as well if anyone is interested.

GRNBTTSTY
26-03-2013, 01:03
So I just got finished with Kim Stanley Robinsons Mars Trilogy and though I know it is fiction in it they drink Kava-Java. It has me interested. Is there a historical basis for this mixture of Kava and Coffee? Is it a modern invention? Or is it simply fictional?

banana king 84
26-03-2013, 04:53
So I just got finished with Kim Stanley Robinsons Mars Trilogy and though I know it is fiction in it they drink Kava-Java. It has me interested. Is there a historical basis for this mixture of Kava and Coffee? Is it a modern invention? Or is it simply fictional?

Kava kava & coffee have nothing to do with each other, kava means coffee in slovenian & croatian & there's even a brand of instant coffee called Kava. There's a bunch of coffee houses with "kava" in their name but if you asked them what kava kava (piper methysticum) was they'd look at you dumbfounded. I personally have experienced nausea & vomiting having coffee after having a second dose of kava (several hours after the first). So in summary, I would not recommend them together. An interesting sidenote, kava is called "awa" in Hawaii, and the word kava was used to mean anything bitter in Fiji & Vanuatu. Reportedly the reason we call it kava kava is due to a marketing ploy, showing the word twice was meant to increase the buyer's awareness of it.

Swimmingdancer
26-03-2013, 06:40
the word kava was used to mean anything bitter in Fiji & Vanuatu.
I don't think that's quite true. In Fiji they call kava "yaqona" ("q" is pronounced "ng" in Fiji - so it sounds like "yangona"), although "qona" can mean bitter - you are thinking of Tonga, where "kava" means bitter. "Kava" is not even a Fijian word, they only use it when speaking to Westerners who haven't learned "yaqona" yet ;). They claim that bitter is named after kava and not the other way around, but I don't know if that's true (kava use predates history). In Vanuatu "kokona" means bitter. All these terms likely come from similar roots though :)

I think you are right that traditionally there is no drinking of kava mixed with coffee. I have never heard of it.

I have seen reports from people on other drug forums combining kava and coffee though, (and saying they liked it, although I wouldn't do it personally as I don't like coffee), so it's not a complete myth as people actually do it, but I don't know if people got the idea from the books or vice versa - it's very possible they got the idea of "kava java" from the books. The first book is from 20 years ago, right?

GRNBTTSTY
27-03-2013, 02:56
I don't think that's quite true. In Fiji they call kava "yaqona" ("q" is pronounced "ng" in Fiji - so it sounds like "yangona"), although "qona" can mean bitter - you are thinking of Tonga, where "kava" means bitter. "Kava" is not even a Fijian word, they only use it when speaking to Westerners who haven't learned "yaqona" yet ;). They claim that bitter is named after kava and not the other way around, but I don't know if that's true (kava use predates history). In Vanuatu "kokona" means bitter. All these terms likely come from similar roots though :)

I think you are right that traditionally there is no drinking of kava mixed with coffee. I have never heard of it.

I have seen reports from people on other drug forums combining kava and coffee though, (and saying they liked it, although I wouldn't do it personally as I don't like coffee), so it's not a complete myth as people actually do it, but I don't know if people got the idea from the books or vice versa - it's very possible they got the idea of "kava java" from the books. The first book is from 20 years ago, right?

I believe they where all published in the mid to late 90's. It wouldn't suprise me if people started doing it after reading the books. That's why I asked about it on here lol.

infraredz
02-04-2013, 03:21
Is there any pharmacological reason that Kava would not work in the 'traditional' way if one were using it for anxiety while also taking Neurotin and a benzo?

I'm looking for a way to lessen 'breakthrough' anxiety without taking another benzo or increasing the dose of either of the above-mentioned meds (which I am trying to get off and therefore, experience anxiety).

AlphaMethylPhenyl
02-04-2013, 04:02
No it would still work but its not really meant to be used for a legitimate medical condition, more so for fun; in this respect it can be equated to alcohol. Talk to your doctor.

Swimmingdancer
02-04-2013, 05:09
Is there any pharmacological reason that Kava would not work in the 'traditional' way if one were using it for anxiety while also taking Neurotin and a benzo?

I'm looking for a way to lessen 'breakthrough' anxiety without taking another benzo or increasing the dose of either of the above-mentioned meds (which I am trying to get off and therefore, experience anxiety).
I have used kava while taking Neurontin and benzos and found it helpful in reducing my doses of those meds. I did find it to really synergize with the Neurontin though so be very careful with doses until you get a feel for how you react to it.

No it would still work but its not really meant to be used for a legitimate medical condition, more so for fun; in this respect it can be equated to alcohol. Talk to your doctor.
According to who?! Kava has many therapeutic uses. It's not just recreational. I have had at least 2 doctors recommend it to me (for multiple purposes).

AlphaMethylPhenyl
02-04-2013, 05:40
Established medical procure (every industrialized pharmaceutical block). The problem with Kava is that it not only has many modes of action (which might exacerbate other conditions, such as SNRI and MAOI activity), but its not regulated and therefore a standardized, medically valid and appropriate dose is very hard to come by.

infraredz
02-04-2013, 22:44
Established medical procure (every industrialized pharmaceutical block). The problem with Kava is that it not only has many modes of action (which might exacerbate other conditions, such as SNRI and MAOI activity), but its not regulated and therefore a standardized, medically valid and appropriate dose is very hard to come by.
Do you mind explaining the various modes of action? I've heard it has GABA<sub>a</sub> affinity and even cannabinoid activity but am curious as to others. Also, does the SNRI activity responsible for the 'stimulant' type effect it can give?


I have used kava while taking Neurontin and benzos and found it helpful in reducing my doses of those meds. I did find it to really synergize with the Neurontin though so be very careful with doses until you get a feel for how you react to it.
I'm on 3.6g of gabapentin a day and a similarly high dose of vallium so I usually have't found anything to really synergize since those doses/meds probably *overpower* them (which is what I was wondering about with Kava).

I am using a standardized ethanol extract and have been taking around 325-400mg of kavalactones per dose FWIW

AlphaMethylPhenyl
02-04-2013, 23:21
It works primarily through sodium and calcium ion channels, with MAOI-B and SNRI (these two causing stimulation, but mostly the former), and (disputed, but probable) action at the benzodiazepine site. Yangonin has affinity for CB1, but its only slight and it could as well be an antagonist. Due to it not being an institutionally accepted pharmaceutical there isn't a lot of research on it.

Nikkibayos
06-05-2013, 20:13
Hi,
Just ordered some powder Kava Kava and strainer bag. I think I read somewhere that it's good to make it with a cold drink...something that contains some fat, like milk. Allow it to steep for a while...even up to an hour and then squeeze the bag into the drink and hopefully it works. That's the method I'm going to try anyway. I did look up some recipes...so, I'll sit down and read more on it later. I'll post my experience...if anything. I've kind of learned that these online vitamins, pill, powders, leaves...whatever...tend NOT to work. But, I'm gonna give this a shot and hope it relieves my anxiety. :|

Nikkibayos
06-05-2013, 20:16
Speaking of doses....how much would you recommend for the powder. I plan to steep it in cold chocolate milk. I read somewhere that you should use a cold drink that contains some fat...such as milk. I don't like just plain milk, so I figured I would try chocolate. I have an extreme high tolerance for things. Any suggestions would help. Thanks!

Morphling
06-05-2013, 23:34
2-4 grams 3x daily is the starter dose, but you can go much higher relatively safely.

brdobu
06-05-2013, 23:34
I've tried capsules, drink at a local bar, Yogi brand Kava, and powdered Kava online. The results were weakest to strongest as I've lised. Really felt nothing of the capsules or the prepared drink. I was VERY surprised by the Yogi tea, seeing as I bought it from Meijer and have since seen it sold all over the place. It numbs the tounge and about 3 or 4 tea bags has you feeling gooood. But if I really want a good chill kava night, nothing beats the powder. Still want to try a root.

Crystal un-clear
07-05-2013, 12:43
Living in Vanuatu the last 12 months.

Many locals will tell you Vanuatu Kava is the strongest throughout the South Pacific. Not a massive fan, but a few tips and tricks I've picked up from drinking with the Pro's...

1. Traditionally, Kava is a social drink, over the years, it has become less ceremonial. 4-5pm is 'Happy hour' and is when you local 'Kava bars' will be full of eager patrons. Not like a traditional bar, these are usually out door, no lights, no music, and talking is always in hushed voices. Studies have shown that Kava can reveal Social Anxiety. IMO Kava is best enjoyed with a group of friends, not many distractions, I.e no TV/radio

2. When drinking Kava, try for an empty stomach; there is a respect for Kava, and the pepper root plant it comes from in this country. Locals will not eat before having the first 'shell', after consuming, they will sit, generally in silence, and allow the effects of Kava to take place, after say 4-5minutes after the first shell, they will eat. Most Kava bars will sell some sort of food, the more traditional bars have home cooked, 'Lap Lap' or coconut milk Manioc. Any food is good, but warm is better.

3. If drinking Alcohol after, no more Kava, much like MJ, Kava before beer your in the clear, beer before kava you'll need looked after. ; )

4. Great mixed with pot, Nausea is a possible side effect, much like smoking and drinking alcohol.

5. Quality? Do you lips tingle slightly after drinking? You've got the goods!!

6. Don't sip, it is served in half a coconut shell or a bowl of similar size, straight down the hatch.

7. the taste isn't pretty, have some fruit on the side to munch on afterwards, pineapple or pawpaw my first choice.

8. After a few shells, try a glass of warm milk, helps with any nausea, and seems to extend the effects of the Kava


The Kava in Vanuatu, is prep'd from the roots of the pepper root plants, NEVER the leaves, this is how it is always drunk, I have tried powdered stuff, doesn't compete.