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xtrailer
10-06-2009, 05:14
I was prescribed a bottle of 30 mg pills of codeine phosphate. I was wondering what is a safe dose to recreationally take it in order to fully appreciate its effects. I am a first time user and totally inexperienced on this and hopes someone out there is able to provide advice.

SWIMming and drugs is dangerous!

rathersilly
10-06-2009, 05:37
To be honest (coming from someone who has done bucketloads of codeine/dihydrocodeine), I'd suggest 4 pills to get a decent buzz without worrying too much about the paracetamol/acetaminophen/etc. Try this, and see how you go.

You'll like it :)

xtrailer
10-06-2009, 08:58
it says on the bottle codiene phosphate...u mean it contains other stuff like paracetamol and aceaminophen?

btw thanks so much for the reply

rathersilly
10-06-2009, 09:16
Generally, most prescribed opiates contain an NSAID (non steroidal anti inflammatory), both to aid the intended purpose of the medication, and to prevent abuse - hence why over the counter painkillers generally have around 10mg of codeine and paracetamol/acetaminophen, to prevent anyone from being able to take enough to get high without doing themselves serious damage.

If they do have something other than codeine, you can also do a cold water extraction to separate the codeine and the NSAID, but given that you're a first-timer and they're 30mg tablets, you don't really need to.

They might just be codeine though, which is even better!

If they're just codeine, with nothing else, then you can push it a bit more, as there's no risk of damage to your liver from the paracetamol/etc. Codeine can make you pretty itchy, so taking an antihistamine before not only relieves this, but makes the codeine come on a little stronger.

As always though, don't be silly, try 4 tablets and you should get a pretty decent buzz. Then just use your brain from there if you want to try again.

phatass
10-06-2009, 12:49
if you have no/low tolerance to opiates i would say take 120 to 150mg depending on ur size... and theres no point redosing... so don't... you have to wait to have come down to try a higher dose if the initial one wasn't enough... and try to wait long between dosing or else tolerance builds AMAZINGLY fast...

oh and taking an anti histamine as mentioned above is a good idea.. it will add to the nod too

xtrailer
10-06-2009, 13:21
which anti histamine would you fellers recommend for the swimmer?

phatass
10-06-2009, 13:23
promethazine or diphenhydramine or better hydroxyzine (this is often only prescription though)

monstanoodle
10-06-2009, 14:57
Make sure you take the Antihistamine after the effects of the Codeine start to become apparent though as some Antihistamines (e.g. Diphenhydramine) inhibit the enzyme responsible for metabolizing Codeine into Morphine.

puckboy
10-06-2009, 15:05
Why the fuck are you using 'SWIM'?... Especially considering theres nothing illegal about what your asking if its a script.

monstanoodle
10-06-2009, 16:02
Yes, please refrain from using the term "SWIM". Doesn't protect you from anything and as puck said, you've nothing that you need to protect yourself from.

xtrailer
11-06-2009, 01:07
ok guys thanks...what about popping 4(30mg pure) pills and a benzo(xanax 1mg) will it help?

dont have those anti histamins like u mentioned and would probably have to drive to town for a good pharmacy

Bob Loblaw
11-06-2009, 02:00
It might make you nod more, but I personally wouldn't do it. I'd hate for the alprazolam to cloud the opiate high.

Bob Loblaw
11-06-2009, 02:06
(Banned)

SRS BSNS: Next time you try Codeine/opiates, I'd recommend having anti-histamines on hand for the itchiness.

phatass
11-06-2009, 12:14
^^makes sense, thats why i could get high of 600+mg of codeine.. i weigh 103kg, phatassss ;)

xtrailer
12-06-2009, 07:31
^^^the lethel limit on codeine is 800mg....u could really be dead...^^^

i'd just stick to under 120mg for a start....4 pills....

just wondering for those who tried codeine...will u get addicted? i mean will u crave that buzz sooo bad that makes you wanna keep doing it day after day?

xtrailer
13-06-2009, 06:47
any morning after effects? like would i feel wuzzy or anything the next day?

d3viant
13-06-2009, 07:21
just wondering for those who tried codeine...will u get addicted? i mean will u crave that buzz sooo bad that makes you wanna keep doing it day after day?

Eventually you will experience some dependence if you use daily, though the w/d is relatively mild. Take it from me, back when nurofen was splittable I was using 400mg+ daily for at least 6 months. Compared to w/d from vicodin or habitual benzo use, codeine w/d is really timid.

thadocta13
13-06-2009, 08:18
i've done quite a shit ton of those. for a first time user i'de say about 5-6 of them to get you pretty fried. once i was doing them so much that i used to take like 14-15 of them along with about 8 darvocet-N's. talk about some of the shittiest opioids/opiates. it's all i could get but hey, they get me high, so i take em. but yeah 4 is a little low. personally i started out doing 6. and that was when i got out of 90-day treatment, so my tolerance was zapped. but i dont do them anymore because the shit side-effects that come with the tylenol in it i don't feel is worth it.

xtrailer
13-06-2009, 17:27
so as a first time user...should i take 4 or 6???

and any morning after effect? i took remeron once and felt like the flu the next day

getreal
13-06-2009, 17:34
Be careful.........you may like it and you may also have the 'addictive parking space' in your brain. Before you know it you're an ope addict.

blissfulthinking
13-06-2009, 17:37
just eat them already! Don't worry, they are the weakest of the main opiates. I wouldn't exceed 4 for your first time. many yrs ago (i think i was 13) I was prescribed them for the first time. I immediately popped 3 of them and had my head around the toilet..so fact is, no matter what you take, you'll atleast probably feel something. and if that's not enough, take more the next time. simple

monstanoodle
13-06-2009, 17:42
Yea, take 4 first time. Don't redose as Codeine actually inhibits the enzyme that metabolizes it into Morphine. And as for morning after effects, you may feel a tiny bit sluggish but it can be quite pleasant and it just puts a bit of a "cotton wool" effects to your senses.
If you take too much then you may get a headache when you wake, but that can be sorted with lots of fluids and some Ibuprofen.

xtrailer
15-06-2009, 01:50
in order to prevent tolerance from setting in...how long should i wait in between doses?

Rubber Matress
15-06-2009, 19:20
Sorry, I didn't have time to read this whole thread (ok, i didn't have the patience)...

Can someone tell me the reason why alot of people can't get a buzz from codeine or dihydrocodiene? Because i tried taking codeine to feel a buzz but i got no buzz. And i tried various dosages. I took the recomended buzz dose once and it just made me feel sick and very uncomfortable.

I read something about certain people not being able to metabolize codiene into morphine or something like that.
Can i get a better explaination please?

I've taken Dihydrocodiene for about 3 or 4 years now. Could that have something to do with not being able to cop a buzz from codiene?

d3viant
16-06-2009, 03:04
How much dihydrocodeine were you taking to get a buzz?

Some people have an enzyme deficiency which means, codeine dosen't get O-demethylated into Morphine (which is what gets you high, not the codeine - it's a prodrug).

monstanoodle
16-06-2009, 04:49
I've taken Dihydrocodiene for about 3 or 4 years now. Could that have something to do with not being able to cop a buzz from codiene?

... Would have been better if you'd told us this earlier. Yes, ofcourse it will.
Your tolerance is probably far too high to get effects from Codeine.

xtrailer
16-06-2009, 15:16
i took 3 X 30mg on Sunday...how long should i wait before i attempt my next dose so i dont get hooked or develope a tolerance?

Rubber Matress
17-06-2009, 21:24
How much dihydrocodiene were you taking to get a buzz?

Some people have an enzyme deficiency which means, codeine dosen't get O-demethylated into Morphine (which is what gets you high, not the codeine - it's a prodrug).

I took i think 8 x 30mg pills. I know its possible to take far more than this but i was already feeling very uncomfortable and nasea after 8 pills, so i'm not gonna try any more.

Note: I've never had the chance to try stronger opiates like Oxy, Hydro, or Heroin. Being in the UK sucks for acces ti Oxy, pr Hydro. Unless being in the UK has saved me from a very probably likely Oxycodin addiction. 'lol

Kratom doesn't seem to work on me either. I tried several different types and several different doses. Felt nothing.

Tried Poppy pod tea. My tollerance seems to be kinda high for those too, even though i've only tried twice and second time i doubled my dose to 10 pods of mixed size (large-medium). Didn't really feel anything this second time. Weird.

I wish it wasn't so hard or expensive for me to get an opiate buzz. 'lol :(

Maybe i have this 'enzyme deficiency'. Who knows.

xtrailer
22-06-2009, 15:10
can someone advice how long i should wait in between doses so i do not develope a tolerace?

i am very satisfied with the sensation i had from having 4 X 30mg

Nickynoodles
15-02-2010, 08:53
I have been prescribed Codeine Phosphate for around 6 years now, I take 5 tabs at a time first thing in the morning and yes, I still get a rush from them, even after all those years!!

In all honesty, I only take it for severe IBS but I totally see why people crave them. I love the feeling and have asked myself, if the feeling ended, would I take more? the answer is probably not!

MikeHawk
15-02-2010, 18:16
You should wait 4 days between dosing to avoid rapid tolerance.

Psychedelic Jay
15-02-2010, 20:32
^ Perfect timing.

bpayne
15-02-2010, 22:13
I have hardly any tolerance to opiates except for daily use of tramadol but I don't know if that counts into the tolerance factor or not, but when I am out of tram and go get the codiene syrup that I sign for at the pharmacy. approx 120 mg really does nothing but makes me feel not sick, there is a little bit of euphoria but it always goes away in like 30 minutes. the whole bottle only contains about 200 something mg of codiene with guaif in it. so thats only like 2 doses

Psychedelic Jay
15-02-2010, 23:08
Guaifenesin, how sick....

bpayne
16-02-2010, 04:16
it's never bothered me yet... I read it can make u throw up, but I always take it on an empty stomach and sometimes drink beer later and I still haven't gotten the slightest bit nauseous

bpayne
16-02-2010, 04:18
200 mg of codiene is 2,000 mg of guaif, I usually take 1200-1500 of guaif with each dose and have experienced NO side effects except coughing out lots of Phlegm that wasn't suppose to be there to begin with and I think thats a Plus

opiate_hug
18-02-2010, 06:12
i never knew anyone who actually got a buzz from codeine phosphate. I took a handfull of those things when i was going through oxy withdrawal's and they didnt help at all. I itched like crazy but thats it. tylenol 3's suck as well.

Psychedelic Jay
18-02-2010, 09:43
Hey, you can't disrespect codeine man.

If you take codeine and somas together, you will get high, period.

Moral Decay
18-02-2010, 10:28
to the OP. if you are not experienced in taking codeine for recreation and have zero opiate tolerance i would suggest starting with 90-120mgs of codeine ALONE. Wait to see hwo that affects you and if you find it is not enough then a a few days later when you try it again take a small therapeutic dose of xanax or Valium with your codeine dose. Keep in mind that a benzo increases the effects of the codeine by about 130%. So if you take 90mgs of codeine with a benzo it will feel like 120mg. if you take 120mg with a benzo it will feel like 180mg etc.


How much dihydrocodeine were you taking to get a buzz?

Some people have an enzyme deficiency which means, codeine dosen't get O-demethylated into Morphine (which is what gets you high, not the codeine - it's a prodrug).


I see this all of the time. Codeine HAS to have some effect prior to being converted into morphine. It hits you with in an hour of taking it. That is an effect immediately upon hitting the bloodstream. If it were not active until converting to morphine it would take a few hours prior to taking effect. If i take a large dose of codeine i can feel warmth and looseness in my joints with in an hour of dosing.

curious_24
18-02-2010, 12:14
I have been using codeine daily since Xmas 2008 and can still get a beautiful warm buzz from 65mg. Although my tolerence has increased slightly, I can still feel 30mg.

I understand that my metabolism is unusual in this respect as I've never heard of anyone taking such small doses recreationally. As ever, start low and work your way up. Most I've done is 120mg which was perhaps too strong!

monstanoodle
18-02-2010, 12:34
I dunno. If yer completely Opiate naive (I was) then you can take low doses and find they have quite pronounced effects :)
I remember the first time I took Codeine - 4 Nurofen + (which are 12.8mg Codeine / 200mg Ibuprofen) and all my social anxieties flowed away, nice warmth etc... Was a bit too useful :\

curious_24
18-02-2010, 14:36
Yep N+ and Solpadeine Max!
Can still get codeine linctus over the counter too but you have to try a few pharmacies before finding one who will sell. 600mg of pure codeine phosphate for about 2 quid!

monstanoodle
18-02-2010, 15:52
Jeez, I doubt a great deal of pharmacies would even consider selling it OTC...
Last time I asked they said "We don't do that anymore, but here's some Pholcodine Linctus."
I wasn't pleased :| lol

Psychedelic Jay
18-02-2010, 19:48
Yes, Pholcodine is a damn shame.

I wonder though, if you take some with soma, will more of it turn to morphine?

monstanoodle
18-02-2010, 21:04
I can't tell if you're jesting or not... lol
If you're not jesting, then it will most certainly not turn into Morphine and I would have to roll my eyes at you, thusly: 8)
If you are jesting, then I would have to roll my eyes at you, thusly: 8) =D

Psychedelic Jay
18-02-2010, 21:11
Only 1% does.

So, even then, it may not be worth it to have a inducer.

monstanoodle
18-02-2010, 21:45
Pholcodine, an opiate antitussive agent in several OTC medicines, is detected by the immunoassay screening procedure, but it is not converted to morphine or codeine and does not interfere with the confirmatory tests carried out to differentiate between the opiates which may be present in urine.(Linky) (http://www.toxlab.co.uk/dasguide.htm#OPIATES)

Hmm...

Morphine could also be detected in urine samples for the first few days. It was however mainly formed artificially during acid hydrolysis and only in trace amounts by metabolism.(Linky) (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11453092)
Fucking confusing shit...
You are right though, there are trace amounts produced by O-desalkylation.

Psychedelic Jay
18-02-2010, 21:58
I can't understand either.

It is or it isn't?
They have to come to some agreement. As I am confused. :\

monstanoodle
19-02-2010, 14:07
I found that it was created by the process of O-desalkylation in trace amounts (very, very little) somewhere else so yes I think it is true.
I've always wondered if it'd be helpful for withdrawals akin to how Loperamide is, but I'm fairly sure now that it won't be.

muskyhusky
19-02-2010, 14:22
I was put on this because of the lack of bowel I had left after numerous surgeries. It slowed everyhing down internaly. I started on 60mg a day which became420mg within 6 months. I went cold turkey and it was hellih. 2 hs seep night for about weeks and months to stop obsessing about it.Just leave it alone