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PepperSocks
24-05-2009, 05:18
I'm just a curious nerd. I UTFSE'd but didn't find anything.

Just wondering what can mods and crew actually see? I know they can view what thread you're reading but what else? Can they track your IP to see if you're lurking?

How much power do admins actually have? Can they get into the servers and tinker with the deep dark bowels of the site or is that done by an engineer? Are admins still anonymous to the web hosting service or is their information on file? Do they need technical knowledge of network systems or are they just a highly powerful forum moderator? How much damage to the site could they do if they ever felt like it for whatever reason? I suppose they must be highly trusted to obtain such power; do they have to go to an IRL meeting and meet the higher powers before becoming admins? Is there another level of power higher than an admin that we never see? I know it's the admins that activate moderator accounts but who activates an admin account? Another admin? and engineer?

I've heard an engineer would be able to read anything passing through the server including PMs; can admins do this? If law enforcement wanted to see a person's PMs, get their IP address and subsequently their ISP and then physical address would they be able to?

I hope this isn't classified information or anything. If there's anything I missed that you think my nerdy mind would interested in please include it in your reply. :)

hoptis
01-06-2009, 14:30
Sorry about the delay, to answer as best I can.


Only senior staff can see IP addresses and they are flushed after a short period.
Engineers have access to the server and can read all the raw data, including private messages.
We have never had cause to ask them to do so, so far. Member privacy is paramount on BL.
Admins can only read PMs by changing a users password, which would be discovered at next login
Admins and engineers are not anonymous to the web hosting service
How much damage could one of us do: we could pretty much trash everything
Admins activate other admin accounts
Admins are appointed at secret ceremonies in Basel, Switzerland and undergo an initiation ceremony that involves the letters 'B' and 'L' being tattooed on their butt cheeks. (I just realised this actually says 'BOL'. :\)
Mods have visibility of pretty much everything in their forums and view and post in the staff forums. The smods have their own forum.
BL Crew have no extra visibility over members
Admins only can see users who are "invisible"


I hope the answers are sufficient. :)

Arnold
01-06-2009, 14:42
Is another web statistics software used apart from google analytics?

swilow
01-06-2009, 14:54
One thing I might add to Hoptis' list; moderators can also read deleted posts and threads. :)


Admins are appointed at secret ceremonies in Basel, Switzerland and undergo an initiation ceremony that involves the letters 'B' and 'L' being tattooed on their butt cheeks. (I just realised this actually says 'BOL'. )

:D:D Nice. I knew you guys were weird; just not THAT weird.

TheLoveBandit
01-06-2009, 14:56
Not at this time, other than any built-in stat abilities of the site software or it's natural add-ons, and I'll be the first to tell you those are damn thin on usability. Essentially it is used to generate those posting statistics maintained in ANNOUNCEMENTS. But if anyone were to go to either vbulletin.com (for the site software) or vbulletin.org (where many coders create add-ons) you'll see what the current software is capable of and limited to. Not all add-ons are used by us, but posting which ones we use would be somewhat silly as we are often trying new ones or removing older ones and such a list would become dated and useless.

Back to the original question - web statistics we are using none right now. Even google analytics is way underutilized by us....but maybe more in the future, depending upon when the admin have time for it.

PepperSocks
02-06-2009, 03:09
Thanks hoptis :)



Admins are appointed at secret ceremonies in Basel, Switzerland and undergo an initiation ceremony that involves the letters 'B' and 'L' being tattooed on their butt cheeks. (I just realised this actually says 'BOL'. :\)


haha, I take it by your outlandish sarcasm; No IRL meetings? Or are they in the basement of Hoffman's old house? :)

Unknown
05-06-2009, 07:40
Moderators, senior staff, and admins can also view reported posts and warnings of all users. We also receive reports of who is banned, and why.

Ive always wondered what special privileges johnboy has... hmmm.

TheLoveBandit
05-06-2009, 11:10
^^the luxury of not staying knee deep in the daily workings, and being able to focus on keeping the damn site afloat ;)

Unknown
05-06-2009, 14:13
^^^Kinda like the Girls Gone Wild owners... :D

Does he have admin access, or considered an admin? or does he let others deal with it?

TheLoveBandit
05-06-2009, 17:00
He owns it, so he has (admin...and greater) access, but stays hands off and trusts the admin to run the site for day-to-day stuff.

Unknown
06-06-2009, 02:01
^^^
Nice writeup!!!

I think it would really cool if somebody posted about the history of bluelight, like how it came about, history of who ran it, styles it endured, and other things of interest.

Shouldn't the two starting admins at least hold the crew tag (including you IJ)? lol

Unknown
06-06-2009, 02:12
And oh yeah: I've wondered this for awhile. Are people like Sebastians_ghost (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/member.php?u=7176) (MAPS.org) and fire (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/member.php?u=9225) (Erowid) considered staff?

And I can't say ive ever seen an engineer online posting. Are they active?

PepperSocks
06-06-2009, 02:44
Ya, "ruski" He's an engineer. I saw a few posts by him in pillreports discussion. He sure doens't post much though.

A full story about Bluelight's history would be sweet. You can tell it still revolves around MDMA/ecstasy. When you search "Bluelight" in google the description is "A message board discussing MDMA and other drugs" or something of that effect. The MDMA clearinghouse history still shows through.

and the EZ test banner at the top of course.

felix
06-06-2009, 03:10
as far as the BL Crew tag is concerned, it's up to ex-staff to request it, it's not something that is 'forced' on people automatically. i doubt if jase or skydancer have been here recently enough to notice this latest phase of using this tag. (it was around years ago, then it was dropped after a software upgrade, and now it's been back for the past year or so.)

[if you want it, IJ, hit me up. ;)]

you should have a read through the greenlighter's guide (linked in the big green box at the top of Support. :)

The origins of Bluelight

by Anonymous with contributions from Jase, johnboy, skydancer and xtcxtc

Beginning in 1997, there was a small message board hosted on bluelight.net called the MDMA Clearinghouse. The Clearinghouse was a side project for the owner of a design company called Bluelight Designs in West Palm Beach, Florida. The message board could only hold a few threads before they scrolled off the board and could not be retrieved.

Nevertheless, a small but dedicated number of people were regular participants and it felt like a close community. Someone suggested that a more permanent home be created so the message board could be stable and the content could be better managed.

The New Bluelight was created in May 1999 as a new home for the MDMA Clearinghouse participants. The "bluelight.nu" domain was registered in June 1999. Once the technical details were finalized, "The New Bluelight" opened for business and most of the crowd from MDMA Clearinghouse migrated to the new forums.

In October of 2005 the domain was switched to "bluelight.ru".

At least two different kinds of message board software (DCForum and wwwboard.cgi) were used between May 1999 and October 1999. There are no posts remaining from that time period. "The New Bluelight" changed software again in October 1999 and has operated continuously ever since then. From that time, Bluelight has grown from a small underground forum to one of the largest message boards of all time.

At some point the MDMA Clearinghouse collapsed and disappeared, although historic screen shots of the front page are still available through . While there have been many changes, Bluelight is still maintained by volunteers and a strong community spirit continues to evolve.

Unknown
06-06-2009, 03:55
^^^
Ive read that, but i was talking about something more specific, like who ran it, and what it was like (style, etc.)

PepperSocks
06-06-2009, 04:06
^^^
Ive read that, but i was talking about something more specific, like who ran it, and what it was like (style, etc.)

Exactly. More in depth. Like viewing it from the outside world. The people and organizations who were involved, the different sources of funding. That kind of stuff. :)

felix
06-06-2009, 04:15
dudes... everyone was full of drugs, man...

Unknown
06-06-2009, 04:19
Thanks felix.... Very informational :|

GenericMind
06-06-2009, 04:43
as far as the BL Crew tag is concerned, it's up to ex-staff to request it, it's not something that is 'forced' on people automatically.

Why was mine removed?

Unknown
06-06-2009, 05:40
I didn't want to touch this with a 20 foot poll, but I thought u said you didn't want it?

forgotten
06-06-2009, 07:35
If a subpoena is ever presented, you guys better call me before you do anything!

TheLoveBandit
06-06-2009, 16:22
And oh yeah: I've wondered this for awhile. Are people like Sebastians_ghost (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/member.php?u=7176) (MAPS.org) and fire (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/member.php?u=9225) (Erowid) considered staff?

And I can't say ive ever seen an engineer online posting. Are they active?

They are representing those organizations on our site as officially as anyone can. The tags where given, so if seen on this site, members would know those are indeed people from those organizations should you wish to ask questions or sought the veracity of their statements. fire is indeed half of the ownership and leadership of erowid...the fire...and sometimes they visit us for subjects. Likewise, whilst we had MAPS banner ads (which incidentally brought us some server funding) we had SG on here as a representative to answer questions and help promote that research. We know these individuals, know these are indeed their accounts, and seek to recognize them as who they truly are (rather than impostors) for our members.

As to the engineer side of things, we currently list ruski, but there have been others over the years (some in an admin role but taking those duties). Off the top of my head, I can think of aby, chr1.5, Catch-22, and ruski. Of course, rus is the only one at this point. The early ones were more active as members, as general staff, but in recent years - moreso starting with C22, they focused intently on critical server issues and had lost the time or interest in staying active on the site publicly. ruski still remains available to us in a crisis, but for the most part, he's the plumber you call when your basement floods....in return, he and johnboy have been granting increasing power to the standing admin group to cover day-to-day engineer kind of work. Hopefully, we're remaining visible and engaged whilst we pick up this additional work ;)


Exactly. More in depth. Like viewing it from the outside world. The people and organizations who were involved, the different sources of funding. That kind of stuff. :)

That summary, along with the 'Thanks Staff' listing of who worked in which roles over time (mods, engineers, admin, etc....unfortunately not in time sequenced listing) give a good idea of who did what. I guess what you're looking for is the storybook that starts off 'Once upon a time, there were druggies, and then there was the internet, and the two met to create ...' and end with 'the lounge continues downhill, and more banning ensued. The end.' ;) Actually, a more fleshed out story showing the chapters of our life, rather than the info provided thus far may be an interesting endeavor, but we'd miss a lot of the background to paint in due to so many of those older people (at least ones knowing the inner workings) have moved on.

Eh, a few more things to point to - looking back thru ANNOUNCEMENTS you can see when forums were added or removed. Looking at the GGuide will also provide a section dedicated to the 'Bluelight Timeline' which may answer some questions. One last place to look may be the wabyback machine where they have archived some forum listings and such so you can see what the place used to look like (I'll defer to someone else for a link).


Why was mine removed?

Actually, and interesting question, as I think we outline how to 'get the tag' but not how to 'lose it'. To get the tag, you need to be a staff member (so work your way to being a mod at least) then upon stepping down you may have the option of asking for the crew tag. We don't force it on everyone who used to work for us, because some prefer to NOT have that recognition for whatever reason, so we oblige. However, if a parting staff member requests it, and they are in good standing with the site (not fired, having caused trouble, etc)....then it's usually a quick and painless procedure. To lose the title? Well, one could request that the title be taken from their account, and we'd oblige, but it is also where the 'in good standing' still applies. We've unfortunately had several staff who, after retiring to 'crew' status, proceeded to cause problems either by trolling, attacking, or other means which either harmed the site or simply became too much of an embarrassment to have associated with the site with a 'crew' tag. In most cases, these individuals got banned - like any member, there is a progression of effort to drive home the need to change behaviour such as edits and PMs, though having been on staff the individual typically already knows what is acceptable and what isn't. Escalation would lead to stripping them of their crew title, to show that we don't want that behaviour being representative of the people who run this place, but also to let them know they are one step closer to being banned. If things continue, the ban ensues. I believe their names remain on the 'thank you staff members' listing in BoBL, even if they get banned, because the effort they put in earlier is appreciated and still respected....it is who they became and how they acted later that is no longer wanted. I can think of only a few ex-staff who asked for the title, had it, then lost it. And of those, damn few straightened up to not get banned.

Now, did anyone really want to get into the specifics of any one of those individuals?



If a subpoena is ever presented, you guys better call me before you do anything!

You, and about a half dozen other key people that may help us. Though I'm sure you'll see a tweet about it should we need to warn members to protect themselves....then again, people know better than to do something that would put them in danger, correct? At least, not on our site - right?

October
06-06-2009, 19:09
just can't wait for the links! thank you!!! you are awesome!

~October

(ps. i miss sigs :( )

PepperSocks
06-06-2009, 20:03
(ps. i miss sigs :( )

I'm glad we don't have them. Reading hipforums is such a pain. Everyone puts big pictures in their sigs and it clutters up the page and sucks the bandwidth way down. It's alright to post a picture in a post but to have it on EVERY SINGLE post you make; it's so annoying. And for those of us who live in the country where we're still in the stoneages of dial-up internet it can be quite infuriating when you just want to read the text and interact with the damn forum; the very essence of what we do here.

Unknown
07-06-2009, 03:07
Has the site ever received a subpoena or injunction (cease and desist, etc.) before???

Who has jurisdiction in these situations (international treaties, russia (or wherever the host is located)

October
07-06-2009, 03:42
hm.... i dunno, but don"t wanna find out!!! bad news!

^^ hi adoptive dad!

New
08-06-2009, 15:03
It would depend how far both entities are willing to press the situation. Naturally, Bluelight's not going to want to tangle with any country's peacekeeping force more than it has to, but I'm sure with a few case histories, it could either keep jurisdiction down to the location of physical data or originating IP of data in question.

Of course...it could boil down to the jurisdiction of the website's owner...obtaining intellectual property that is by nature spread over international boundaries is a case-by-case basis.

brandy42
14-11-2010, 21:47
May I ask why the domain was switched to ru ? And furthermore, just out of interest what type of servers are you operating ?

ddeakle
01-04-2013, 15:10
hi im fairly new but a very experianced user, and was wondering how i could be informed when questions about drugs that i am experianced in have been asked/discussed so i could be more active in the fourms. thanks :) if this is the wrong place to post this i apologize ahead of time

Tommyboy
03-04-2013, 10:13
hi im fairly new but a very experianced user, and was wondering how i could be informed when questions about drugs that i am experianced in have been asked/discussed so i could be more active in the fourms. thanks :) if this is the wrong place to post this i apologize ahead of time

You can use the search function and then post in the threads you are interested in. If you use the search on the top right of the page it is best to click on 'advanced search' and then type the name or phrase with the drugs into the search, and choose to 'search titles only' on the drop-down menu before clicking search. If you know the specific forum(s) you would like to search in you can select them from the menu as well.

Bob Loblaw
03-04-2013, 12:05
Sorry about the delay, to answer as best I can.

BL Crew have no extra visibility over members


FWIW to the inquiring minds who want to know, they can use the staff/ex-staff forum. And still communicate with Greenlighters via PM--or has that capability been extended to everyone now?