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Mystery Brew
31-03-2009, 20:10
Amp seems like the opposite of help.

I read from multiple places, Dxm will ease the symptoms. I dont think its the dose intended to trip either. correct if im wrong

Canadian4Life
24-07-2010, 04:00
There have been studies showing that concurrent cocaine use during opiate use decreases opiate withdrawal symptoms. Opiates have been shown to caused dopamine receptor sensitivity and cocaine as well as amphetamines will cause downregulation of the dopamine receptors (making them less sensitive) The anxiety from opiate withdrawal is bad enough but I find a low dose of ritalin orally helps me alot! If I take too much ritalin I gets BAD anxiety during opiate withdrawal but small doses 5-10mg taken orally make me feel alot better and helps the withdrawal. Also no comedown with low doses too. So yes it has helped me before using amphs/ritalin/coke in opiate withdrawal but in SMALL amounts. Do a search and you'll see concurrent cocaine usage reduced opiate wuthdrawal symptoms alot.

motiv311
14-09-2010, 23:49
YA!

At first a couple of days of Amphetamine (adderall) could make you feel worse... BUT the thing is it pushes the Withdrawal process MUCH MUCH quicker....


I've used amphetamines to quit opiates maybe three times now.

I was on an 80mg per day hydrocodone for 4 months ..... three days ago I quit cold turkey. . and weirdly enough I came down with a hardcore cold/cough. . .

Now I took 2 extra strength Mucinex's (60mg DXM per pill) and 3 20 mg adderalls and I feel great

Right when I started to "ween off" my hydrocodone, I started up the adderall. It was NOT fun the first two days. Day three now and I feel my withdrawals will be over in another day or two.

Good luck!

Questionably
15-09-2010, 02:02
Ill say this last run , with out an option I was forced to taper my Oxy intake , from 4,000 mg ( smoking ) to making a 40 MG ER last me two days , which was only made possible by the fact I had been up on Meth ( meth not addys or pharma form of ampheth ) for the past 2 weeks , and the last run went into 4th day with no slumber..WHICH IS NEVER ADVISED EVER..


Previously it had just put off withdrawl symptoms to the very end , and BAMMM you were hit with days worth of dopesickness , but this last run I cant believe how much easier kicking was...Unbelievable , but I have a decades worth of familiarity with my body , and meth..

Questionably
15-09-2010, 02:04
Also , 5 Htp saves lives... 5 Htp and blunts...SAVE LIVES..

newbie22
15-09-2010, 03:28
no, you will be edgy as a ruler

opiates produce feelgood antianxiety feelings
speed will feel very different without this under blanket

more than likely it will induce anxiety and paranoia


QFT

Close thread.

Questionably
15-09-2010, 06:23
Very rarely have i experienced Paranoia and anxiety from Meth..

Maybe its my chemical ballance/imballance.. But like I said , shared from experience , not giving advice..

newbie22
16-09-2010, 00:59
Very rarely have i experienced Paranoia and anxiety from Meth..

Maybe its my chemical ballance/imballance.. But like I said , shared from experience , not giving advice..

I'm shocked that was the result. How did you ever sleep? The worst side effect of withdraw for me was the inability to sleep, it made time go by so much slower when you had to be awake the full 24. Therefore I would think amps would make this 10x worse; not to mention the amp comedown sucks by itself. So to mix that with the shitty feeling of withdraw, man..I don't even wanna think about it.

Yeah, I'd say you do have a chemical imbalance of some sort because that is truly odd.

Questionably
16-09-2010, 04:56
So are
sUbs a no no after meth then?

I cant find any science behind the mix...

Meth is used to often in relation to methadone , when also talking about subutex..

anyone know?

nowcomeout
19-09-2010, 02:10
Adderall sort of made me feel better when I was coming up on it, but the feeling soon faded and I was back to w/d. Would not recommend it.

sweetsurrender
19-09-2010, 03:30
i go on heroin-speed-benzo cycles. ill go on a heroin streak and then immediately to speed benders and then to heroin (with benzos sprinkled in there) and so on. ive found that being dope sick and speeding is enhanced because of the stomach cramping, sweating/increased body temp, etc properties of the amphs. sometimes i don't feel the opiate withdrawl too much when i switch to amphs but then other times it isn't pleasant. im stupid and go all out with one to all out with the other. in smaller doses amphs are ok (with me) - kinda iffy. however, i seem to notice that when i finally come down from a heroin-amph cycle and have a little bit of time before starting over, the combined mental and physical come down of the speed seems to combine with a sort of delayed reaction opioid withdrawl. it feels like the withdrawl of all of the drugs seems to hit me all at once. it kinda feels like i put off the inevitable dope withdrawls by covering it with amphs only for it all to catch up with me at the end.

im starting to find that im going from one to the other and so on to deal with the comedown of whatever im coming off of and i guess your body has to deal with it all at some point.

that is just what happens to me, others might be different.

Dankycodone
19-09-2010, 06:33
I dont think it would help at all personally. Also your brain is under alot of stress during w/d and adding amphetamine to that is not a good idea.

Captain.Heroin
19-09-2010, 06:39
So are
sUbs a no no after meth then?

I cant find any science behind the mix...

Meth is used to often in relation to methadone , when also talking about subutex..

anyone know?


I have IV'd buprenorphine and methamphetamine together, the combination is nice.

Questionably
21-09-2010, 14:16
^^ U keep feeding me such grand ideals, I may start to blush ..

ejnjgrl822
21-09-2010, 17:04
i enjoy taking adderall (im prescribed it) when i do h sometimes. it gives a real goood feeling. but taking it while withdrawing i would only think it would make everything alot worse. when i take adderall i cant sleep or eat and when i w/d i cant sleep or eat so id only imagine how hellish that would be. yeah maybe your mood would be a little better but overall id think it would make it all worse. i think the best thing for w/d is sleeping it off so you dont feel it as much.

modestmichelle
21-09-2010, 19:09
I've heard this can really help the withdrawl symptoms. I know a lot of people who have done this and said it made shit much more easier to deal with. It may not be something I would do, but if I was hurtin that bad..shit, I'd do anything to ease it.

jamesBrown
21-09-2010, 19:14
The only way that amphetamines could help opiate withdrawal is by releasing endorphins in your brain causing a sort of "pleasure" response to the drug.....basically, you get high off the adderall.....and it probably wouldnt even take away most of the symptoms of opiate withdrawal. But it would DEFINITELY be a temporary cure because as soon as you start coming down from the amphetamines, you better have found some opiates by then, cuz your gonna feel even worse than you did before you took the amps.

So its basically only a temporary "cure" for opiate withdrawal.....and it has some nasty consequences.

Eagleman
21-09-2010, 20:33
This is my first day of going cold turkey. it happened unexpectedly and anything i can use to ease these feelings will help

I may be a little late responding to this, but I know from experience that you should not take amphetamines until many months after quitting an opie addiction. Why? Picture how you feel when you come down from speed--achey, anxious, irritable, dysphoric--and what is a great cure for those symptoms? Opiates. Enough said.
So, if you are ready for the worst comedown of your life with a high risk of relapse, go for it. But I advise against it.

Ixchellian
22-09-2010, 23:09
I have used meth the day I'd run out of morphine, and if all I had was 2-3 days to go until my re-up, it worked well in holding the worst of the w/d at bay. the meth I got though was unusually pure, inexpensive, close by, I booted it along with smoking it, and did a lot. my roommate then just happened to be the biggest amp-slinging dealer in the SE Springs. I was his "big homie", I was the only junky he'd ever known closely, and it really upset him when i got dope sick

yet, it only delayed the onset of hard acute w/d. I had to do it *before* it set in, and if I mistimed my morphine re-up date.... horrible, horrible acute w/d would come crashing down as soon as the meth started wearing off completely..... but I'd feel "off" for a full day before that. in order to make it work, I had to do a lot and pay close attention.
doing meth after acute w/d started was nightmarish. I'd feel a little better mentally at first, but after a few hours the crushing depression would be back full force.

fryingsquirrel
23-09-2010, 00:03
The only time I went through WD's (dilaudid) I had access to plenty of methamphetamine, and it helped alot. I think if you are gonna come down off the speed while still in WD's it would suck and should be avoided. But if you aren't gonna be able to sleep anyway might as well take apart all those lawn mowers you've been planning to disassemble.

jamesBrown
23-09-2010, 00:14
The only time I went through WD's (dilaudid) I had access to plenty of methamphetamine, and it helped alot. I think if you are gonna come down off the speed while still in WD's it would suck and should be avoided. But if you aren't gonna be able to sleep anyway might as well take apart all those lawn mowers you've been planning to disassemble.

If it were me I would just take some benzos and curl up in the fetile position. No need to make the comedown exponentially worse by taking a drug that makes you crash hard on its own.

Questionably
23-09-2010, 02:12
We all are not affected nearly the same...
Hence someone posting a question on a message board as to gain perspective and learned experience from those willing to share , with remedial traces of background.. and those open to share from experience , not necessarily give advise..

Or maybe advice is fine... But blatantly stating others are absolutely absurd for their input?

Dude , I dont know of many kids with a habbit like mine , and I kicked once before with subs and herb alone...

HELL backwards with wool socks on...

This last time , lack of relapse so far...farthest clean streak Ive seen.,..


And I did it with the help of Our socially unacceptable friend, Meth...

Kisses ;)

jamesBrown
23-09-2010, 02:17
We all are not affected nearly the same...
Hence someone posting a question on a message board as to gain perspective and learned experience from those willing to share , with remedial traces of background.. and those open to share from experience , not necessarily give advise..

Or maybe advice is fine... But blatantly stating others are absolutely absurd for their input?

Dude , I dont know of many kids with a habbit like mine , and I kicked once before with subs and herb alone...

HELL backwards with wool socks on...

This last time , lack of relapse so far...farthest clean streak Ive seen.,..


And I did it with the help of Our socially unacceptable friend, Meth...

Kisses ;)

who said someones input was "blatantly absurd"???

Ixchellian
24-09-2010, 21:09
if you aren't gonna be able to sleep anyway might as well take apart all those lawn mowers you've been planning to disassemble.

or an '81 Firebird. or root around the carpet for lost shards. =D


I dont know of many kids with a habbit like mine , and I kicked once before with subs and herb alone...

HELL backwards with wool socks on...

remember kids.... pot is a sensitizer. If you already feel bad, it'll just make things worse.
if you smoke weed in acute withdrawal, it usually gets ugly.
on day 4-5 when yer starting to feel better a bit (or whenever), *then* it's handy for alleviating depression & bringing back the appetite.

Questionably
27-09-2010, 14:32
bringing back the appetite

^ Ill refrain from arguing the difference in "sensitizer" , im one for segregating indica from sativa...but I digress

Back to the quote , ...Im a girl , and let me be the first, and only important one to say that ...who wants their appetite back?

Lbs< is the best part of ToxinDieting.. ;)

intheb0x
28-09-2010, 08:15
i just think you would be all jumpy and antsy while still withdrawing.

Inorganic
28-09-2010, 09:28
I've found that low-dose amphetamine works best for doing dope wds. 5-15mgs, 5-10 if it's dexedrine, is great to help get out of bed and get that backed up dope dookie out and have a little pep. Too much, though, and you'll be jonesing for opiates harder than you otherwise would have, most likely.

Questionably
28-09-2010, 11:29
is great to help get out of bed ........... Too much, though, and you'll be jonesing for opiates harder than you otherwise would have, most likely.

Well put. So often opiates become our equalizer.

empty1
17-02-2011, 16:45
amps are amazing for paws , gettin sick is the easy part

AnnArbor
05-04-2011, 11:08
Ive taken Amps when I wasn't able to get an opiates for a couple days. In my case, it wasn't any kind of wonder pill, but it was able to get me up out of my bed and moving around a bit more... but instead of sitting in bed I was sitting on the toilet. Head felt good.. stomach felt like shit.. which turned into shit lol.. seriously amps mess with my stomach so much. They made my head feel better during withdrawal but damn the bubbleguts

br0ken1
22-05-2011, 16:29
i know this is an old post but just wanted to weigh in with my experience. i've been on opiates for probably 10 years or so. started with hydrocodone but am now on 3 100mcg/fent patches every 48 hours in addition to 2 30mg oxy IR every 6 hours for breakthru pain (although i generally do not take as prescribed) but will take anything i can get when times get tough, as i'm sure is the same with everyone. needless to say, my tolerance is pretty high and i've been using for quite a while, especially considering my age.

anyhow, today i am in day 2 of withdrawals and since i had to work for 10 hours, decided to try taking something to get my ass going. i took 60mg of vyvanse (a pharm amphetamine) and am feeling MUCH better. although i'm not a frequent amphetamine user, i enjoy them from time to time and usually suffer very few negative side effects or much of a comedown thankfully. i guess the point of my rambling is to say that everyone is different and respond to different chemicals in different ways. for me at least, amphetamines are a great help during w/ds, especially if you have shit you HAVE to do. the worst part of w/ds for me personally are the heavy weighted down feeling and the pain (which I would have regardless of being in w/ds or not but i'm sure it's amplified because of w/ds) but amphetamines help a lot with both of these. i've taken plenty of immodium so thankfully i'm not confined to the toilet all day.

sorry for being so long-winded (probably the amphetamines) but i didn't want my first post here to be something lame like "they helped me!" as i always find the posts with some information about the posters tolerance and other stuff to be more useful. anyway, thanks for all the information as i've been lurking around this site for a while but just registered today. :)

DeLee
22-05-2011, 16:58
For me amphetamines on opioid withdrawal is like trying to put out a flame with gasoline.
The joint and muscle pains are more pronounced, restless legs kind of made no difference on, I get these leg spasm while being on amphetamine when im "healthy" too so.

And then we have the anxiety and depression which I suffer from specially when im withdrawaling from drugs.. oh man. Amphetamines just boost those emotions and add a healthy bit of paranoia in the mixture.

needles to say amphetamines during opioid withdrawal is for me not an option, it just takes the WD's to the next level of intensity.

The Rock Monster
22-05-2011, 17:38
Fuck if i was in full blown wd i wouldnt think about touching speed. Id be in bed or in a bathtub.

But... ive found it helped me during coming off subutex.

mafekire
22-05-2011, 20:09
Personally, I have recently been smoking a very small amount of meth early in the day while withdrawing, I've found that it gives me a nice euphoria, settles my stomache a little, and helps with the energy crisis, I wouldn't have gotten shit done yesterday without them, plus by night fall my body is exhausted by them, so sleep is good. I am avoiding more than 2 days in a row with suboxone for the couple days to a week between. I actually got more done the second time attempting this than I have while on opiates period.

And I've been doing opiates from 14-24, starting ate morphine 30's until OC was cheaper back in the day, 300mg a day at least. Went cold turkey from oc twice after that, then started selling oc and went from a couple pill a day habit to a minimal 8 ball a day slammed of tar to .5 a day of pure H (well, as close as you can buy) so I would say I am fairly opiod dependant/tolerant

poppyplanet
22-05-2011, 21:21
I wouldn't touch amphetamines during withdrawal. Just a bad idea all around. They will definetly make the anxiety and all around crawling out of your skin feeling alot worse, especially when they wear off.

DeLee
23-05-2011, 03:36
I wouldn't touch amphetamines during withdrawal. Just a bad idea all around. They will definetly make the anxiety and all around crawling out of your skin feeling alot worse, especially when they wear off.

Yeah.
All I want to do while WD'ing of of opioids is to sleep, how many times have you prayed a silent prayer that you could please have just an hour of sleep thats all.. instead you just lie there twitch and turn every 2 second.

Amphetamine would increase that 10 fold in my experience.

2manyopiates
23-05-2011, 14:21
holy shit, I would never do that

empty1
23-05-2011, 20:58
fuck it, im gonna try taking a smaller dose than i usually do.
it works , swim knows from experience and wouldn't withdraw any other way .....

K3nnyb
12-08-2011, 02:06
I did a small bump of meth today as it was my first day off oxy 60mg/day. I have to say it helps.

verso
12-08-2011, 02:41
Believe it or not, I find that amphetamines do, to some degree, help with opiate withdrawal symptoms. But I haven't ever experienced severe withdrawal symptoms, only mild withdrawal symptoms, even more mild than the symptoms of some terrible head colds I've had before. So, for me, a small dose of amphetamines after an opiate-binge helps me to feel more motivated to get out of bed and do something.

Sobobuser89
19-09-2011, 17:10
I know its scary to try it during that hell but for me it takes withdrawal completely away. And nothing has helped this much, besides dxm but that only worked at tripping doses and the comedown from that makes me feel like my skins falling off.

I do have to say that I absolutely can not smoke weed with amp (I attribute this to opiate withdrawal, as I was never "anxious" before) if i do smoke weed i end up with a heart beat of 120bpms and my chest gets real tight. Scary feeling.

But with that being said adderall and coke (unless its rock!) have never gave me euphoria, at best coke makes me mildly speedy. Adderall on the other hand does jack shit as far as a "high". I got dumb yesterday and "chased the high" as everyone warned me not to.. Ended up snorting three and a half, I think... When one pill parachuted relieves it real quick and lasts all day, then 3 or 4 diphie's and I sleep through the night.

When I'm in W/D my main complaints are insomnia and restless arms, legs, back, shoulders, you name it and I never thought anything could fix the RLS/RAS but it took mine away completely!

willis28
02-11-2011, 21:01
Adderall definately helps with opiate withdrawls but like others have said your gonna go through some horrible depression. try not to use too much and use it when you have to go to work or school only. Also, try to avoid using it to late because you going to have enough difficulty sleeping without Amphetamines keeping you awake. Good luck.

MKEStyle
22-12-2011, 18:19
I've been looking for the same inforamation because I'm about to start going through WDs and I am looking for the best way to help him. I had an experience a few years back that might shed some light.

I am originally from Hollywood CA and had endless giant shards. Eventually, as it always does, the shards won and I ended up on my Sisters farm in South Carolins, not knowing anyone. Eventually I got in contact with some of my old buddies in Hollywood and arranged for some fedexes. The shards in SC were OK, but WAYY overpriced.

On the day of a delivery, I woke up feeling sick, and not just sick, but REALLY fucking sick.. Lungs full of liquid, voice soinding like darth vader, HORRIBLE body aches , restless legs (always had that), and basically fall down die sick. Skyhigh Fever, the works.

Then I heard the fedex guy drop a box on the porch. My girl went out to get it and brought it to my bed. I openened it and stared at the giant crystals thinking "what a hell of a time to get this sick" and people, this was close to pneumonia sick, not sniffles and a little couch.. Think full blown lung whooping, death bed.

I stared at the box for a while, it smelled like bubble gum from the dryer sheets. I wanted to just go back to bed and sleep, relieved that the box made it. But the draw was too strong.. Maybe just one hit, then bed. Break out the bubble, drop it in, just a touch of the light to get that lovely oil showing (I'm not only anal and will break a bubble on your head for blackening it), a nice big billowy hit with the expectancy to cough (up until this point I could only take shallow breaths before that little fly in the lung would cause a coughing explosion.

Anyway, the lovely taste of bubble gum and ex-hale, and I think you can assume where I'm going with this. Within 2 hours, I was high fiving my brother in law in the parking lot of a strip club "I thought you were on your death bed" bro said "I was!" I replied.

The night progressed into what you would expect after receiving a big box, but what was strange was the sickness never re-appeared. This got me thinking, in the years of being a hard code tweaker (not 20's but access to buckets of glass) how many times had I gotten sick. I would like to say never, but thats probably not realistic, but far less than when abstaining.

I hadn't done shards in almost 8 years (fuck Milwaukee) - and had gotten sick like everyone else. But I did just fill a script for Adderall XRs and am planning on jumping from a gram of high end H back to Suboxone after the appropriate reading on the COWs this weekend, but if I can't sleep it off with Ambien and Klonapin, I might try some amphetamines. Today is the first day Ive has taken any adderall in months and its the only reason this post was written.

Do put too much weight in speculation. There are plenty of things that dont make sense but in fact work. Bumble Bees, Reality TV. In my opinion, it's always OK to try something as long as you have something to counteract it and you try it in small doses..

Now ask me how freaked out I am about jumping from a Gram of H to subutex this weekend. The web is filled with NOTHING but speculation and if I hadnt gotten so caught up in reading forums, I would have done it a long time ago and saved about 30 grand.

P.S. I have always felt that Methamphetamines carried a power so strong it was spiritual. Its the ultimate trump card and is the only drug that is able to disconnect the mind from the heart from the soul. My relationship with it goes back 25 years on and off from the peanut butter crank and p-dope from Orange County, to Phillipino true ICE in Toronto, to Mexican glass in Atlanta, and the real deal holyfield 4-MAR (euphoria - if you have heard about 4-MAR but never seen it, watch the movie LIMITLESS. Its painfully obvious that they wrote that movie about 4-MAR). Crystal is by far the most evil chemical on the planet and if you think it isnt then you probably havent been doing it long enough. Even if you don't lose everything, your body and mind will change - never to return. I would also give my right nut for some to come around Milwaukee, but apparently Milwaukee likes the tried and tested three. Coke, H, and shitty ass beer.

i are spectre
23-12-2011, 23:01
^very displeasing to the eye. instead of "swim" try "i". you're post is just confusing and tacky mate, sorry.

back on topic, 2 years of suboxone tapered to some random amount of loperamide/imodium ended very NICELY with a big bottle of adderall. it helped me through exams, perform nicely at work, and just get out of bed. the only bad thing was NOT SLEEPING AT ALL! any time i felt my legs cramping up and that awful crunching feeling in the gut i'd take another 60mg of adderall, 3am or 10pm, it didnt matter. it helped with the pain, depression, and lack of motivation... the worst parts of WD. without it i would have missed work/been fired and bombed finals. thank you adderall creator (i forgot who this is)

DexterMeth
23-12-2011, 23:13
^Ya, amps do their job of keeping your mind off needing to nod out, because you're too busy being amped. Replacing one addiction for another, blah blah, etc, but for many, they they be quite the utility.


thank you adderall creator (i forgot who this is)
Dr. Theodor Gilbert Morell (I hope you know this is a joke).

synthetix
23-12-2011, 23:17
i wouldnt suggest anything to help with your opiate withdrawal that can produce a mind altering effect as i have learnt. seems as if i've switched my addiction to opiates to amphetamines (dex) but i feel as if i have under "control". i will see tomorrow as i attempt my 2-3 day break each month. i know that if i can't do it without suffering withdrawal etc then im hooked. wish me luck!

DexterMeth
23-12-2011, 23:24
Mind altering? Opiate/oid withdrawals themself can be "mind altering". If someone has amps on them and can use them responsibly to prevent a relapse back onto narcotics, without getting addicted to amps, I don't see the harm. The biggest thing to worry about is being on amps in withdrawals and not being able to sleep. I guess I wouldn't suggest amps either then, because this is pretty much asking people to eat gobs of benzos along with their amps.

Good luck btw.

synthetix
23-12-2011, 23:30
this is true dexter, but considering the psychological implications of opiate abuse (addictive personality per say) id say the risk of abuse of amphetamines is relatively high too. it all depends on the length of time you have used opi's for though i guess and if you have a true willpower to quit :)

thank you! hope it will go alright.

DexterMeth
23-12-2011, 23:37
I'm not stepping on your toes, I just would like to specify that there is a huge difference between physical addiction and psychological implications; unless you were talking about how much one changes their thought processes, while physically addictive, so that they won't go into withdrawals.
Not everyone uses opiates to get a buzz.

synthetix
23-12-2011, 23:44
yeah i meant about how someone changes their thought processes, misphrased that one!