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MessyMel
04-11-2009, 15:28
I've heard reasonable feedback for Champix but have seen better results from Alan Carr's book.

Experience??

I tried using willpower to cut down, smoking lower nicotine cigarettes, cold turkey, nicotine patches, hypnosis etc. I got a prescription for Champix but never got it filled because I read Alan Carr's book, "Easyway" to give up smoking. God what an absolutely brilliant book =D

All the way through reading it I was hopeful but scared that it wouldn't work for me because I felt I was too addicted to smoking. It was such a wonderful novelty to realise that I didn't have the ball and chain of ciggies for about the first year after I quit. It's years now that I haven't smoked and I just don't even think about it at all, in fact I can't believe I ever smoked.

Whatever you do mate, it's a great feeling not to need them anymore. <3 All the best to you.

mystery mister E
07-11-2009, 10:58
For what it's worth, I found Champix effective in quitting around this time last year. It didn't eliminate the need for willpower, but it sure as hell dampened those cravings almost to a level where you could think clearly and impartially about whether to have a cig. Good luck.

bit_pattern
08-11-2009, 06:48
For what it's worth, I found Champix effective in quitting around this time last year. It didn't eliminate the need for willpower, but it sure as hell dampened those cravings almost to a level where you could think clearly and impartially about whether to have a cig. Good luck.

Dang.

When they said 'wonder drug'...

mystery mister E
09-11-2009, 13:28
Ya sorry to be the bearer of less than perfect news. On the bright side I was one of the worst super addicted smokers you'd ever know. Save your health for other more interesting substances ;)

MessyMel
10-11-2009, 15:54
Ya sorry to be the bearer of less than perfect news. On the bright side I was one of the worst super addicted smokers you'd ever know. Save your health for other more interesting substances ;)

I reckon one of the best things about this book was how it shows you that you don't need willpower :) Cutting down or cutting out any drug or behaviour that relies on willpower alone is destined to fail because no one can be 'strong' forever. Mystery Mister I see you say that you were a smoker, you don't smoke any more?

bit_pattern
24-11-2009, 09:59
^^ You remind me of someone. Ever been to Colombia?

Got my starter pack today, going to take my first dose tomorrow. Talked my doctor into giving me a single script of temazies too because I told him I mix tobacco with my weed and need to give up both at the same time (didn't mention my vaporizer though =D). Going to write up a mental health plan too when I go back for my maintenance pack in three weeks time, figure I may as well make the most of the resources available to me, no point in living with one of the best health systems in the world and not taking advantage of it.

Did anyone use the 'my time to quit' support program on the net? Is it worth the bother or not?

rosee
24-11-2009, 12:28
Champix works but the hard part is when you finish the course and have to stick to your guns and not give in, as I have done recently. It helped me quit for most of this year though and was easy while I was taking it. I started up again though and am wishing I hadn't.

MessyMel
24-11-2009, 12:43
I've been asked a question by someone via PM - but I'm a Greenlighter so can't reply to you on this forum. Sorry :)

mrephedrine69
24-11-2009, 13:01
^^ You remind me of someone. Ever been to Colombia?

Got my starter pack today, going to take my first dose tomorrow. Talked my doctor into giving me a single script of temazies too because I told him I mix tobacco with my weed and need to give up both at the same time (didn't mention my vaporizer though =D). Going to write up a mental health plan too when I go back for my maintenance pack in three weeks time, figure I may as well make the most of the resources available to me, no point in living with one of the best health systems in the world and not taking advantage of it.

Did anyone use the 'my time to quit' support program on the net? Is it worth the bother or not?

I found the 'my time to quit' really annoying actually as they email you all the frikking time with really gay 'you can do it' messages.

The Champix worked that well for me that I didnt need anything else except a little willpower!

pinothippy
24-11-2009, 13:15
yeah Champix worked a treat for me. I was a pack a day for 25 yrs and after taking champix it was like i'd never smoked. Have been off the pills for 6 months + now and while i get the odd craving its easily dismissed with you guessed it... a little willpower!

bit_pattern
24-11-2009, 13:59
I've been asked a question by someone via PM - but I'm a Greenlighter so can't reply to you on this forum. Sorry :)

So I didn't meet you in Colombia last year? Thought it was a stretch but you never know...

bit_pattern
24-11-2009, 14:00
I found the 'my time to quit' really annoying actually as they email you all the frikking time with really gay 'you can do it' messages.

The Champix worked that well for me that I didnt need anything else except a little willpower!

Yeah thought as much. Was there anything else to it, or just BS messages. Argh, I gave them my ph number to, I'm a fool!

MessyMel
25-11-2009, 02:24
So I didn't meet you in Colombia last year? Thought it was a stretch but you never know...

Yeah not me. I've never been there but I read "Marching Powder" =D

Were you there for long and did you enjoy it?

bit_pattern
25-11-2009, 03:50
3 months in Colombia, 7 in Peru, Bolivia and Ecuador - and yeah, it was sick.

bit_pattern
25-11-2009, 05:20
Anyway, back to the champix;

What day into the first course did other people stop smoking? And by that stage did you feel the drug was working, ie. cig's tasting like shit and not doing anything? Do you sort of know when you're meant to stop just from the effects.

I've picked the 11th day into the course to stop.

bit_pattern
28-11-2009, 11:06
Bump

Just wanted to keep this on the front page

And what is it about this book you guys have mentioned. If I'm doing champix then it couldn't hurt to have a read of it as well, if it is as successful as lill angel says

lil angel15
28-11-2009, 11:25
http://zimchic.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/allen-carr-easy-way-to-quit-smoking.jpg

Allen Carr Website (http://www.allencarr.com.au/)

rosee
28-11-2009, 23:28
Anyway, back to the champix;

What day into the first course did other people stop smoking? And by that stage did you feel the drug was working, ie. cig's tasting like shit and not doing anything? Do you sort of know when you're meant to stop just from the effects.

I've picked the 11th day into the course to stop.


Can't remember what day into the course I completely stopped. I think I just went by the guidelines given by gp. It felt like the drug was working pretty much by the first day and I found I cut back heaps straight away as they did nothing and tasted like crap so you may find yourself stopping sooner than they say, though no pressure to do so.

Someone else I spoke to said the champix did nothing and they smoked more lol. Spose it can work differently on everyone. The only thing to watch is the side-effect they say of depression and suicidal thoughts though this was not a huge thing for me and I am the most depressed/suicidal person at the best of times. If anything I felt better.

pinothippy
29-11-2009, 01:22
I actually stopped on day 3 - i had a full pkt of smokes i bought the night before.. woke up and didnt feel like one.. and havnt had a smoke since.

bit_pattern
29-11-2009, 02:14
^^ Fuck. I had that feeling on the second day, but decided to smoke a splif just cos I had eight days of smoking I figured I may as well. Hope I didn't blow my chances, because I feel like smoking still now. I just went up to night and day dosages, might finish this pack and then not buy anymore.

Lil Angel - What's his pitch?

mepat1111
29-11-2009, 02:16
Two of my friends have tried this, one of them has quit, one of them got back on to it a couple of weeks after the end of the course.

lil angel15
29-11-2009, 03:20
Lil Angel - What's his pitch?

Basically, that smoking a cigarette is only enjoyable to ease the withdrawal from the previous cigarette. A revolving door of sorts.

phase_dancer
29-11-2009, 03:29
According to someone I spoke with a month or so ago, there was an article in a magazine (don't know which) that claimed Allen Carr started smoking again in his last years. Don't know how true it is, but a local doctor who always recommended his book had also heard it, and so now recommends varenicline.

Speaking of which; my girl took this for 3 months, and during that time she still occasionally had a cig - usually after a hard day or when with friends who smoked. Now, some months later, she will still have the odd one. So, for her, there's no nicotine withdrawal factor at all, it's merely the pleasure she derives from smoking tobacco.

bit_pattern
29-11-2009, 06:36
Basically, that smoking a cigarette is only enjoyable to ease the withdrawal from the previous cigarette. A revolving door of sorts.

Yeah, see I already know that so I don't think a book would really help me. I'm on my 5th day now, still smoking, not making me feel sick (well, no more than usual anyway) and still getting cravings, ciggies will run out by tonight and can't see myself getting through tomorrow without nicotine but don't want to buy another pack. I guess this is where the hard part begins :(

bit_pattern
01-12-2009, 09:10
So, 24 hours in with no nicotine - first time in about 17 years - 6 days into the course, I feel like a kid on a bike 'Look ma! No hands!'

What a curious drug this is! I've gotten pretty frantic at times but you can really distinguish between the psychological urge to smoke, which is more powerful than i'd imagined, and the actual physical cravings that I use to get before Champix. Fascinating really.

I see what people mean about still needing willpower but is a whole different kettle of fish (who the heck puts fish in kettles anyway? Sounds like a concept from a Dali painting...) to the irrational need to smoke normally. Dreams have been full on, but I've been too out of it on temzapam to really remember them, but I've stupidly eaten nearly all of them and I've only seen my doctor once before and he was already so-so about giving me benzo's on my first visit, so I won't get anymore out of him so the dreams should start kicking my arse pretty soon. Other than that, no real side effects to speak of, slight nausea for the first few days but nothing now.

It took awhile to start working but when it did I knew about it - kind of reminded me of acid, when you take some, think you feel it after half an hour then it goes away, two hours later you start cursing the creep who burned you because nothing's happening (with apologies to HST ;)), then all of a sudden, BOOM, you know about it. Ciggies taste like shit, makes you feel sick, then you stop smoking and everything has a strange calmness about it, everything is OK, you WANT to smoke but there is no burning fucking need where you might rip your own eyes out if you don't smoke something NOW.

Highly recommend it at this point http://i.bluelight.ru/pi/14.gif


Drinking a bottle of champa's atm, so that should be a good test of my willpower, wouldn't want to be drinking around smokers just yet though. Quarantining myself from my friends because I don't think I know anyone who doesn't at least smoke weed mixed with tobacco. I really AM going to miss bongs though :(

bit_pattern
01-12-2009, 14:24
Man, cough has gotten really bad? You reckon I have cancer or my lungs just readjusting? Thwy stil hurt. Just my luck, karmic irony, if I finally gave up inhaling death )tobacco, weed, meth) killed me just hen I made the effolrt to stop. Hreek tragedy in action? Or my body readjusting you think?

I wish i wa sdead right now, no fun to look forward too, but I love my mum, while she ives then Ikeep strugling. Once she goes, fuck it, what keeps you here, eh?

blau1005
01-12-2009, 16:02
Whenever I don't smoke cigs for a week or two, I get the worst cough and spit up some really disgusting stuff. Must be the body trying to rid itself of the poison now that you've stopped smoking.

Good luck man, it's an awful clingy monkey....

phase_dancer
01-12-2009, 23:18
bit_pattern, a lot of recently quit smokers tend to be prone to chest infections. It's also quite normal to be coughing up stuff, and being an ex bong smoker, that may go on for quite a while. The great thing is that even after only one day of quitting your body is free of nicotine and within something like 3 days your carbon monoxide bound hemoglobin (carboxyhemoglobin) is again free to carry oxygen (some heavy smokers have up to 10% or more of their hemoglobin deactivated by the more stable binding carbon monoxide). After a month or so, much of the foreign matter will be gone, thanks to the amazing work of macrophages.

Just imagine all those alveolar macrophages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_macrophage) cleaning out your lungs - it's accepted that smokers have a higher level of these "dust cells" which no doubt work harder in smokers who inhale deeply as when using a bong. As you can see from the wiki page, macrophages are also intricately involved in the body's defense system, so one might expect things to be initially a little out of whack.

From the wiki link


Aveolar macrophages are frequently seen to contain granules of exogenous material such as particulate carbon that they have picked up from respiratory surfaces. Such black granules may be especially common in smoker's lungs or long-term city dwellers.

Hope you handle the inevitable test of willpower when socialising....

bit_pattern
02-12-2009, 00:24
Man, I've got to stop using the internet while drunk and on benzo's!

Thx P_D, god bless those little dust suckers, eh? :D

opiaddict
21-02-2010, 06:03
Yes, ot does work, for me antway. Not to sat I don't get cravings, especially when you r around other smokers. But I thought seriously about getting arrested si I'd quit, I could NOT do it on my own will power. So my doc did a PA and got me free Chantix. After about 1.5 weeks I was quit. Even relapsed two days ago, went back on the chantix, and I am fine.

Beware: If you have psychological issues, they way become way worse. I always try to be loaded up om TCA's and benzos before I begin chantix therapy because I have anxiety and insomnia. Just like the patch, but for me not as powerful are those vivid dreams. The more confident you are about quitting, these dreams don't seem to bother me. Good Luck, IF I CAN DO IT...ANYONE can do it!

bit_pattern
21-02-2010, 06:53
I'm still of the cigs. Smoked weed with tobacco a few times with no problem, slight cravings the next day but nothing I can't handle. Been running and cycling, lifting weights - despite the odd chest pain and aching-lung syndrome, haven't felt this healthy for years. Never thought I'd say it but thank you Pfizer! :D

QuestionEverything
19-10-2010, 21:17
I am bumping this because it seemed to be the most relevant and active thread regarding this topic.

I started Chantix 7 days ago. I am still on the .5mg/twice daily dose which will go up to 1mg/twice daily tomorrow.

While I have had no major side effects yet, I have noticed no difference in my desire, cravings, or actual smoking yet either. I have had some strange dreams. Nothing bad though and they don't even begin (yet) to compare to nicotine patch dreams I've had. I am prone to depression, but have experienced none of that either. I *might* have a shorter fuse than normal, but it's quite possible that's just in my head due to being ultra sensitive about any possible personality changes.

I would have to say the biggest difference I have noticed is being incredibly fatigued. I am not sure if this is a side effect of the drug or because I have not been getting uninterrupted sleep, but I definitely noticed it within the first day or two of starting the Chantix.

Anyway, I am going to continue taking it and hope that it works to help me quit. My main question is how long did you all take the medicine before quitting? I realize the website says to pick a quit date 7 to 10 days into the course, but my Doctor recommended just letting the medicine do it's thing and quit when I didn't want to smoke anymore. For this reason I don't have a planned quit date.

Did everyone slowly taper up to 1mg twice daily? Did you notice a difference when going from .5mg to 1mg?

hoptis
20-10-2010, 17:23
Trust me, you'll notice when cigarettes lose their "taste" and just feel gross. Give it a bit more time, I'm sure you'll notice something more on the 1mg... and I also had issues with anger while on it. You'll get even angrier when you can't smoke. ;)

QuestionEverything
20-10-2010, 23:17
Only had one 1mg dose so far and I'm already gagging on my cigarettes today. I didn't count, but I'm guessing I've smoked about half of what I normally would. I am twice as tired, too. I took a 3 hour nap. I never do that.:|

bud.lightyear
21-10-2010, 02:30
So my doc did a PA and got me free Chantix. After about 1.5 weeks I was quit. Even relapsed two days ago, went back on the chantix, and I am fine.


forgive my ignorance but what's a PA? i went to a doc, but being as i am on a student visa here, the price was going to be something absurd, well into the hundreds.
he said it'd be a whole lot cheaper if i was aussie, but still seemed to be some minimal money involved......

totally thinking of getting my girlfriend to get it and just give it to me, only just for the money factor. any chance of that coming back to bite her in the ass if she wants to get some for herself later on?

this stuff sounds amazing, the success rate is absolutely staggering!

phase_dancer
21-10-2010, 07:24
PA = Pharmaceutical Allowance

QuestionEverything
21-10-2010, 23:01
totally thinking of getting my girlfriend to get it and just give it to me, only just for the money factor. any chance of that coming back to bite her in the ass if she wants to get some for herself later on?

this stuff sounds amazing, the success rate is absolutely staggering!

Technically I believe it is illegal to give another person your prescription. Hypothetically speaking though, I am sure if she wanted to go on it in the future she could easily say that she relapsed and wanted to do it again.;)

I also think the success rate is misleading. From what I read a very high number of people relapse, BUT it is still statistically better than any other method IIRC.

Day 9 and I am still not smoke free but cigarettes taste disgusting and I can not finish an entire one without getting sick. It's very much a psychological thing at this point, I think.

felix
13-01-2011, 05:45
*bump*

so how's everyone getting on with quitting smoking?

i always said i would quit when i was 40, so two weeks before my 41st birthday i got some Champix from my doctor (which only cost £3 for the prescription, bargain!)

i don't feel 100% ready to start taking them yet though, maybe after the weekend. this has been an interesting thread, cheers. :)

mrephedrine69
13-01-2011, 07:18
3 years on from using Champix and still smoke free!

Just start taking them mate, it takes a week or so before you'll stop anyways so might as well get the ball rolling!

Mr Blonde
13-01-2011, 08:35
I love smoking, and I have no plans on quitting so maybe I should get out of this thread before I start inducing some cravings in people ha ha...

Azron
13-01-2011, 09:47
All I can say is it worked for my mum. After 40 years she stopped. I guesss it can work for some and not others. I doubt it would work for me thoo...

Azron
13-01-2011, 09:48
Might be wrong but isn't it just another anti-depressant? (sorry have'nt read whole thread)

Mr Blonde
13-01-2011, 09:53
^ Not at all. It acts as a partial agonist at the nicotinic acetylcholine receptors. Which means it reduces cravings, and makes smoking less pleasurable, but does not produce the same full agonist effects that nicotine does.

It's kind of like what buprenorphine is for opioids.

Azron
13-01-2011, 10:45
Why cant my craving and w/d be helped by my big dose of Clonaz. and my Paroxatine?

felix
13-01-2011, 11:10
3 years on from using Champix and still smoke free!

Just start taking them mate, it takes a week or so before you'll stop anyways so might as well get the ball rolling!

great stuff, well done!

i know i should just bite the bullet, but i got the Champix from the doctor almost as an afterthought when i was in to see about something else. it sounds stupid but i don't really want to give up smoking right now. i think i'm gonna wait till i go offshore next week.

how much does a pack of cigarettes cost in Australia anyway? they've just gone up to a shocking £6.00 here in the UK. i'll probably save about 4 grand a year, fucking hell. 8o

Mr Blonde
13-01-2011, 11:20
^ A pack of Marlboro Reds is about $15 now. I've switched from those to pouch tobacco; Champion Ruby is $18 for a 30 gram pouch.

Don't feel like it's stupid to not feel like quitting right now; if you tried to force it on yourself, you probably wouldn't have as good a change of giving it up for good. When you are really ready to throw away the cigarettes, that is the time to get serious. :)


Why cant my craving and w/d be helped by my big dose of Clonaz. and my Paroxatine?


Nicotine cravings and WD? Maybe because clonazepam is not acting on the right receptors to do so. It may alleviate the anxiety that nicotine WD can give, but won't take away cravings.

Also, pretty much any substance makes me want to smoke more or makes it more enjoyable. So if I were on a dose of something and was trying to quit, I might find myself craving my usual cigarettes. :)

felix
13-01-2011, 11:44
aye, that's why i think waiting till i'm offshore is a good idea. it'll remove alcohol and other drugs from the equation, which should give me a good start.

fuck knows what i'll do instead though.

canarylove
13-01-2011, 13:51
My best friend did and it worked brilliantly, she hasnt smoked for nearly 8 months.

Azron
13-01-2011, 20:22
I probably could stop fairly easily if i didn't drink all day

Mr. Squiggle!
15-01-2011, 06:32
Champix DOES work for wanting to quit smoking, chemically and physiologically.

However, psychologically it DOESN'T help one goddamn bit. 2 words = WILL POWER. Will power has to come in effect whenever one wants to truly kick the smoking habit for good.

But, ya know, forever smokers, smoking forever...