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blotterfan88
27-12-2008, 01:33
What are some common ones (If I'm aloud to ask that on here) If not then just answer the first question

Bob Loblaw
27-12-2008, 01:49
Some yes (e.g. pentobarbital), others not so much

antbanks99
27-12-2008, 01:53
Alot of people find butalbital recreational.

Tsukasa
27-12-2008, 02:08
Secobarbital is supposed to be the best one. I personally don't find them recreational, but many find it has abuse potential like benzo's and other GABAergic drugs.

Tchort
28-12-2008, 01:26
Does the pope wear a funny hat?

All of them have recreational potential.

The most common ones around today are Butalbital (Fioricet, Fiorinal), Phenobarbital (Luminal). Historically the most abused were/are Pentobarbital (Nembutal), Secobarbital (Seconal), Amobarbital (Amytal), etc.

They were all but replaced by the Benzodiazepines. Barbiturates have a track record of death. The dose response curve is steep. The recreational dose isn't too far from the coma/death dose.

Valium
28-12-2008, 18:02
Tchortik...some people get nauseous from barbiturates.

barbiturates are more like that graduate drugs. after youve been a junkie, you go all out and in elizabeth taylor fashion, sprinkle some seconal into your gin.

mephobarbital is schedule IV...and its actually in wide use in psychiatry today, as opposed to amytal....which has the same association as does rohypnol and quaalude....i find mephobarbital [Mebaral[ excellent for sleep, but get no euphoria from it. or else, the euphoria, say, from pentobarbital, is short lived and tumultuous and then quickly fades into dysphoria. these are not fun drugs, but SO addictive, you cant stop even though you dont like them and they make you feel like shit. keep away. they should be banned.....

PureLife
29-12-2008, 02:38
What barbiturates are still prescribed today? I know technically they all can be. But whats actually prescribed and for what condition?



spec. the united states.

THE_REAL_OBLIVION
29-12-2008, 05:34
Epilepsy
Allergy to benzodiazepines

rangrz
29-12-2008, 05:41
most common RX'd one IIRC would be phenobarbital.

pentobarbital is very common still, but you wont get typically as an out patient...its surgical sedation/ICU intubated sedation and vetrinary euthenasia as its main uses.

PureLife
29-12-2008, 08:04
I know seconal is still prescribed. Thers Pentosol and Sopental. I'm not 100% if they're american.

SpunkySkunk347
12-01-2009, 08:37
They are more "recreational" than benzodiazepines. Phenobarbital has a more intoxicating and mildly euphroic effect, which benzodiazepines lack. It is more similar to alcohol in this fashion.

nods
13-01-2009, 08:59
They certainly are/were recreational. After the meth freak outbreak of 1968 at Haight-Ashbury and the subsequent dry up of supplies of liquid Methedrine that was shot up, people turned to booting up Barbs: Seconal powder, and instead of wandering around paranoid, wired, psychotics, they were stumbleing barb drunks.

The main potent ones were:
-Seconal
-Amytal
-Tuinal (Sec+Amy)
-Nembutal-the most potent band potentialy lethal (ceased dist in the US, 04')

I know a dude who was given Nembutal a few times afew years ago, and he said they gave the deepest best sleep he ever had.

Here in New Zealand these barbs were dropped for out-patient scripting in 1990, Nembutal long before that.

I met a 50yo guy 5 years ago who said the Tuinals he had tried during the daytime many years before made him have to close one eye to focus/see straight.

Valium
13-01-2009, 16:13
I met a 50yo guy 5 years ago who said the Tuinals he had tried during the daytime many years before made him have to close one eye to focus/see straight.

i tried Tuinal in Russia a few years back...

and im not a fan of barbs...and im opposed to them cause theyre dangerous yada yada..but.

it was like insane tranquility, a dream that kept on going. waking, sleeping, dreaming, hallucinating, and during all this, a pleasant buzz which felt like something that i can only describe like a combination of dilaudid and rohypnol with a valium twist and a few cubes of librium....

however, i had to be roused from sleep rather violently. apparently i almost went into respiratory arrest from a 'normal dose'.

they sell this shit otc in that country. well..everything is otc if you have money and can sweet-talk the hag behind the counter.


but to think...like 'back in the day' people were walking around on this crap....must have been horrible. to have nothing else for anxiety or insomnia but some heavy duty suicide waiting to happen barbiturate lying around......its either hell or heaven, i can't tell which.

Valium
13-01-2009, 16:21
What barbiturates are still prescribed today? I know technically they all can be. But whats actually prescribed and for what condition?



spec. the united states.

seconal is in full swing ,,,so is nembutal....well at least in the east coast in inpatient psych wards and in nonpsych settings where its necessary. commonly, a patient with a very very complicated set of features has been using the barbiturate in question for many years on and off, and instead of trying something new, they'll continue with the proven method.

the only barbiturate used today in psychiatry in an outpatient setting is Mebaral. Second to that, Luminal but even that is exceptionally rare, and typically, reserved for epilepsy or spasms of the GI tract, as in preps such as Donnatal. Third place is Seconal which is still prescribed by some psychs after youve done the sleep study and its proven that theres no hope for you otherwise, and youve gone through megadoses of chloral, placidyl, doriden, miltown and all the other Lucille Ball concoctions....then theyll suggest secobarb, however most pharmacies do not carry the tablet version...only injection, which is not for sleepytime use but for more serious matters.

so dont count on it. either go to russia where they'll sell you the child out of their womb for a discount....or stick to good old ambien. The Nembutal of our Times. Ambien.

pathetic.

dwg52378
13-01-2009, 22:33
Alot of people find butalbital recreational.

I recently tried Butalbital (fioricet) and found it worthless. I started small and ended up taking alot. I felt almost nothing. I felt the caffiene more than anything. For some reason, both nights I did them, I awoke very grumpy almost hostile. I don't like them.

adder
10-11-2009, 20:53
Short acting barbiturates (meaning they're still for at least a day in the system...) can be considered recreational. Despite long half-life drugs such as secobarbital or pentobarbital don't leave me with a hang-over the following day. They're good for problems with sleeping and I'm already prescribed clonazepam for my benzodiazepine addiction so I still get even 3 nights a week sleepless, clonazepam do nothing about it nor do buprenorphine I take as a substitute... Yeah, like they call it - politoxicomania - it sucks. Anyway, long acting and more lipophilic barbiturates like phenobarbital leave a marked hang-over the following day and it's the only one available in my country at pharmacies for prescription. There's a compound medicine with allobarbital and aminophenazone (meant for light pain control) and this one is OTC but I never took it (it contains 30mg of allobarbital and 220mg of aminophenazone). Allobarbital doesn't seem to be interesting in any aspect for me so I'll pass on getting it in pure salt. A table with used barbiturates with their T1/2 would be useful (well, their potency is about the same). Other possible recreational short-acting ones would be butobarbital and quinalobarbital.

phatass
11-11-2009, 12:30
phenobarbital (the onnly barb i tried) is not very recreational... it knocked me out cold for 2 hours (i was in a jail cell) then when i woke up i just felt really chilled and relaxed, even though i had some serious explaining to do to the cops..... i'd also taken diazepam and cyamemazine

jackie jones
12-11-2009, 12:02
I enjoy butalbital and secobarbital of occasion. Barbiturates are not my DOC, but some people dig them.

adder
05-12-2009, 05:23
They are inducers of many cytochrome P450 pathways and it seems it's clinically important. I had problems dosing methadone once a day, I have problems dosing buprenorphine once a day, that's another story and not connected to barbiturates. Anyway, that's worth noting. Well, it's worth noting that probably the only barbiturate left on markets is phenobarbital and dosing it daily may produce a serious build-up of this in blood as its clearance is very slow.

8-12
05-12-2009, 05:39
From what I've tried:

Pentobarbital/secobarbital = yes, with pento being the better of the two
Phenobarbital/butalbital = no

Would love to try amobarbital, preferably in combination with seco; Tuinal was supposed to be absolutely great.

skoat
05-12-2009, 09:58
If Elvis were still alive he'd attest to them being quite recreational. He didn't bother with pheno. from what I've read though.

They don't make the majority of those old scool barbs anymore I believe, at least most of them.

parest200
10-12-2009, 06:31
What are some common ones (If I'm aloud to ask that on here) If not then just answer the first question

Desoxyn was mother's little helper, and there's no methaqualone in the world. Marathon can't bring it back because it's class one.
I did have the pleasure of getting scripts, years ago, but they've been gone sine 1982, officially 1983

drug_FUCKED
07-02-2010, 11:17
I think barbs are recreational i have mixed them with a few other meds and found them fun.
I mixed with High dose Lyrica, alcohol and bupe.

Pillthrill
07-02-2010, 13:31
I'm on Barbital, and I would say yes. But the barbs seem to erode way my logical mind and give way to a crazed monster after a couple days. Not good stuff.

Psychedelic Jay
08-02-2010, 06:40
Yeah, I do tend to just be happy and there.

Nothing else. LOL

You simply are just happy existing on seconol.

You don't care if anyone likes you or not.
You become blunt to the point of annoyance to other people.
You nod in the middle of a sentence.
You slobber sometimes.
You will never understand anything worth thinking about hard.
You can't follow through on your thoughts.

Just a euphoric mess.
I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!

spindizzy
08-02-2010, 17:41
Most things that alter your brain chemisty can be used recreationally - just some its not the best idea on the planet to use recreationally.

Psychedelic Jay
08-02-2010, 19:25
I agree.
And, as drugs progress, we need to create more stable reshearch on all drugs, not just the ones used medicaly.
Barbs are fun, no doubt, but a lot of people use them to just shut off from the rest of the world.
Also people go overbaord and take mega doses and die because of lack of understanding them.
It's just found that there is no right way to abuse them. They will make you insane if you become addicted to them, and at some point in that future, you will O.D. There is no way you can abuse them for long periods of time. It's just not ever going to work out for anyone.

One to three nights max, then put your pill bottle asside and grab some beer.
It's just not worth the "too close to death for comfort" feeling if you accidentally take too much, unless that was your plan.

Also, it is not ethical, to party on barbs. Someone is gonna convince you to drink, simmular if you were on benzos. You will have too much courage to say no. And thus annother realm of barb death resides there.

Sorry for being song long, but you should stick with relatively weaker drugs in the GABAergic pharms.
Hell, I would advise people to become alcoholics than fucking with barbs.

kooljerk
13-01-2011, 06:42
in the 70's we used to do seconol (yellows) and nymbutol (reds) i couldnt tell the difference but as a heavy duty alcoholic back then they were both heavenly to me...i laughed out loud in a 7 eleven store as my friend walked backwards up a magazine rack accidently while we were stoned on them..

StaySedated
13-01-2011, 17:40
barbs are definately recreational; especially secobarbital, pentobarbital, and Tuinal(formulation of secobarbital and amobarbital).

imo the only GABAergic downer better than secobarbital is methaqualone.

they're definately recreational, i should know as i was prescribed and addicted to them.

NeighborhoodThreat
13-01-2011, 18:42
Barbs are certainly recreational, if they weren't, most of them wouldn't be in Schedule II (for us U.S. bluelighters anyway).

Violenza666
13-01-2011, 20:18
Nope not recreational at all... Mail em to me I will dispose of them propey.

StaySedated
13-01-2011, 20:50
Nope not recreational at all... Mail em to me I will dispose of them propey.

lol

K'd-OUT-in-AZ
13-01-2011, 22:13
Secobarbital is my favorite. Yes, they can be very euphoric and sedating. Make you feel very comfortable and relaxed. Really bad memory loss while under the influence. Also becomes hard to form sentences. Very intoxicating.

StaySedated
13-01-2011, 22:18
Secobarbital is my favorite. Yes, they can be very euphoric and sedating. Make you feel very comfortable and relaxed. Really bad memory loss while under the influence. Also becomes hard to form sentences. Very intoxicating.

hell yeah reds are my favorite barb(and 2nd favorite GABAergic depressant after methaqualone).

i remember when i was perscribed them for insomnia when i was 16 in high school, good times... :D

K'd-OUT-in-AZ
13-01-2011, 22:20
Damn, I should feel lucky to have Desoxyn but if I had the choice I'd go with Secobarbital easily

Psychedelic Jay
13-01-2011, 22:25
Reds are blissful... Yellows are numbing... Christmas trees are just for stumbling...

StaySedated
13-01-2011, 22:25
Damn, I should feel lucky to have Desoxyn but if I had the choice I'd go with Secobarbital easily

yeah i'm more of a downer kind of guy.

although i'd love to have scripts for both Desoxyn and Seconal; go up during the day and land on a fuzzy, euphoric downer when i come down.

next time i see a shooting star that is what i'll wish for: Desoxyn and Seconal

StaySedated
13-01-2011, 22:28
Reds are blissful... Yellows are numbing... Christmas trees are just for stumbling...

i prefer reds to both yellow jackets and Tuinal, i've been scripted both reds and yellows and have tried Tuinal and imo straight up secobarbital wins.

K'd-OUT-in-AZ
13-01-2011, 22:31
Were you prescribed them for insomnia?

Psychedelic Jay
13-01-2011, 22:33
i prefer reds to both yellow jackets and Tuinal, i've been scripted both reds and yellows and have tried Tuinal and imo straight up secobarbital wins.

That's exactly what the rhyme says...

Reds beat the rest... Yellow's second best... Christmas trees are a test...

StaySedated
13-01-2011, 22:35
Were you prescribed them for insomnia?

when i was 16.

K'd-OUT-in-AZ
13-01-2011, 22:38
Very lucky, you must of had some severe insomnia to get something like that.

StaySedated
13-01-2011, 22:39
That's exactly what the rhyme says...

Reds beat the rest... Yellow's second best... Christmas trees are a test...

Tuinal is better than yellow jackets(pentobarbital), as Tuinal has secobarbital(the king of barbs) in it(along with amobarbital, which is a decent barb).

for me its:
1.) Seconal
2.) Tuinal
3.) pentobarbital

StaySedated
13-01-2011, 22:40
Very lucky, you must of had some severe insomnia to get something like that.

i was a serious cokehead so i had some trouble sleeping.

Psychedelic Jay
14-01-2011, 00:08
Tuinal is better than yellow jackets(pentobarbital), as Tuinal has secobarbital(the king of barbs) in it(along with amobarbital, which is a decent barb).

for me its:
1.) Seconal
2.) Tuinal
3.) pentobarbital

Tuinal is too much...
...it just made me sloppy.

Still pretty fun...

K'd-OUT-in-AZ
14-01-2011, 00:12
I'm still waiting for Ketamine/opiate combo. I don't know why they haven't already. Ketamine increases the analgesic effects of opiates (duh - works on the opiate receptors) and it also apparently keeps tolerance lower

Totally off topic - I'm just on Ketamine right now.

Tomer
14-01-2011, 00:25
I have a question for the general public, here, or people who have first hand experience with Barbs....

Would combining Benzo (Klon, Xan, take your pick) with amphetamine (Dexedrine) give the same feeling as a barb would? Or, is the chemical structure of the barb differ enough that it can not be duplicated with todays medicine? Just curious.

Tomer

Violenza666
14-01-2011, 00:36
Secobarbital is my favorite. Yes, they can be very euphoric and sedating. Make you feel very comfortable and relaxed. Really bad memory loss while under the influence. Also becomes hard to form sentences. Very intoxicating.

Shhhhh don't tell him that.... I was being a good sumaritom by helping him dispose of then properly.

On a serious note reds are my fave.

Psychedelic Jay
14-01-2011, 01:18
I have a question for the general public, here, or people who have first hand experience with Barbs....

Would combining Benzo (Klon, Xan, take your pick) with amphetamine (Dexedrine) give the same feeling as a barb would? Or, is the chemical structure of the barb differ enough that it can not be duplicated with todays medicine? Just curious.

Tomer

Short answer. No...

pally pete
14-01-2011, 18:01
They are more "recreational" than benzodiazepines. Phenobarbital has a more intoxicating and mildly euphroic effect, which benzodiazepines lack. It is more similar to alcohol in this fashion.
sorry i have to disagree on this.