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Anon Ymous
10-12-2008, 02:22
Does anyone like fucking around "leather cleaner", the shit that adult stores usually sell? What are the risks with using this shit, and can someone fill me in on what exactly the chemical does to your body/brain when inhaled? I was huffing this shit last night with a mate and it blew me away, instantaneous headache, kinda felt like the coming up period after ingesting a bottle of DXM containing syrup, cept more subtle and lasting like 1-4 minutes. Peace.

PsiloSubNaut
10-12-2008, 02:44
May not have been pure amyl nitrate.

I've noticed the stuff sold in aus sex stores gives you a headache after a few sniffs where as the stuff i import from east europe can be sniffed all night with no ill effects.

Inhalents are a dangerous class of drugs but it's aparrently safer than e which is safer than grog or smokes so it's all good hahaha

I've used it thousands of times.

First came about in the drug scene to loosen gays asses but it's widely used in the hetro community these days.

Big thumbs up for bedroom fun!!!

All the girls in my crew love the shit and i just sniff it when i'm munted to go to "sniffy land" for 30 seconds

Psilo

Mr Blonde
10-12-2008, 03:11
Alkyl nitrites are vasodilators; they cause your blood vessels to dilate (smooth muscle relaxation) which leads to a drop in blood pressure. This causes the head rush type feeling.

It also causes the muscles of your body to loosen up a bit, as PsiloSubNaut stated.

With regards to what he said about inhalants, not all inhalants have the same dangers; nitrous and nitrites are pretty safe, whereas butane can cause instant heart failure.

I'm not sure about the dangers of using nitrite, I believe it is fairly safe with increased risks when combined with other substances.

PsiloSubNaut
10-12-2008, 03:21
It does flush your face bright red!

I saw that top 20 worst drugs BBC doco and amyl was 19 from memory.

I lost a friend in high school who had a secret butane sniffing hobby. Was found dead in the toilets by a cleaner. R.I.P

I only go nitrous and amyl so hopefully they are pretty safe.

Prefer med grade N20 to the food grade... I always cough up oily shit after a night on the bulbs

madmick19
10-12-2008, 04:15
With regards to what he said about inhalants, not all inhalants have the same dangers; nitrous and nitrites are pretty safe, whereas butane can cause instant heart failure.

Must read information from the rxlist.com (http://www.rxlist.com/amyl-nitrite-drug.htm)

"Taking amyl nitrite after drinking alcohol may worsen side effects and may cause severe hypotension and cardiovascular collapse"

as always remember theres a main effect and a side effect

Verybuffed
10-12-2008, 05:04
as always remember theres a main effect and a side effect

I have never heard that before. I like it.

toa$t
10-12-2008, 05:15
don't mix these bad boys with cialis or viagra either, fyi.

You know, I've always enjoyed poppers, and never really been able to find much literature saying that they are really bad for you. for the most part, the only danger listed is getting dizzy and hitting your head. that being said, they just feel like they're doing something to your brain that they shouldn't be doing... much worse than say nitrous or something like that. I suppose this would be an irrational feeling, but it's one of very few that I simply can't shake.

Romie1092
10-12-2008, 05:55
May not have been pure amyl nitrate.

I've noticed the stuff sold in aus sex stores gives you a headache after a few sniffs where as the stuff i import from east europe can be sniffed all night with no ill effects.

Inhalents are a dangerous class of drugs but it's aparrently safer than e which is safer than grog or smokes so it's all good hahaha

I've used it thousands of times.

First came about in the drug scene to loosen gays asses but it's widely used in the hetro community these days.

Big thumbs up for bedroom fun!!!

All the girls in my crew love the shit and i just sniff it when i'm munted to go to "sniffy land" for 30 seconds

Psilo

OK im not 100% on this but I think im pretty sure. I think the problem is as you said, the stuff sold here locally isnt the propper stuff.

I think what you want is amyl nitrite but the poppers you buy in aus sex shops are actually isobutyl nitrite or butyl nitrite. I could possible have these mixed up but I know its something like this. Although they all roughly do the same thing, there is one of them which is fdar superior out of the 3.

Pistachio
10-12-2008, 08:10
This stuff is unbelievably good when you get cyanide poisoning. :D

fortehlulz
10-12-2008, 08:42
I remember the first and only time I tried this stuff, the little tiny commercially packed bottle. The hit was courtesy of a guy I knew, I wagged school to hang out at his shop and as night fell, he offered me a go from a bottle which was on display (a while back now). Never had it again, but it was decent!

rogan
10-12-2008, 08:47
Out of the different ones I have tried in Australia Jungle Juice gave the best effects with least side effects.

Mr Blonde
10-12-2008, 09:21
Must read information from the rxlist.com

"Taking amyl nitrite after drinking alcohol may worsen side effects and may cause severe hypotension and cardiovascular collapse"

as always remember theres a main effect and a side effect

Yes, I should have thought of that actually... using nitrites along with any other blood pressure lowering substance is probably going to be risky and possibly quite dangerous.

Relatively speaking though, it is safer then 'hardware store' inhalants, e.g. computer duster, butane, gasoline, etc...

Romie, you are correct, poppers in Oz are made of isobutyl nitrite which apparently isn't as good... the only poppers I've seen and used are composed of this.

Doctor War
10-12-2008, 09:47
Are those little bottles of 'Rage' amyls?

phase_dancer
10-12-2008, 21:32
Err...all nitrites are potential carcinogens. Why?

Because they react with secondary amines in the body to produce nitrous amines - many of which are very powerful carcinogens. Check out some of my older posts for specific references.

Nitrosamines are also produced in small amounts naturally in the body due to enzymatic actions on nitrates, which are in many vegetables. Nitrites are also used as preservatives in processed meats (incl bacon) and beer, although antioxidants are now added to these foodstuffs which limit nitrosamine formation. Such was the concern in the 70's, that until it was found that nitrosamine formation was inhibited by Vit C, serious thought was given to removing bacon altogether from the US market. Sodium nitrite and salt greatly inhibit growth of botulism, and suitable replacements just don't seem to exist. NaNO2 also gives bacon and ham it's characteristic colour

Taking large amounts of a nitrite inhalant means potential for nitrosamine formation is far higher, particularly when taken with/after drugs containing a secondary amine group. MDMA is of course, a secondary amine.

To give you an idea of just how nasty nitrous amines are, think about one of the risks associated with smoking - pancreatic cancer. Smoking increases the risks of contracting pancreatic cancer, most likely because of the amounts of nitrous amines produced in cigarette smoke. Pancreatic cancer is supposed to be rare although I've known 5 people in the last 3 years that have died from it. It is almost always fatal. What's most alarming is the risk of contracting pancreatic cancer after giving up smoking. The risk ( nearly double that of someone who has never smoked) persists for a decade or more after stopping. While it is yet to conclusively proven, it is generally believed that it's due to nitrosamines.

So, while occasional use probably doesn't present too much of a problem in this regard, it's worth noting these properties and realising nitrites are not desirable chemicals to be consuming if you're concerned about long term health.

Micks warnings on alcohol and nitrites should be noted. Also the warnings on never taking Viagra with nitrites should be heeded, as this combo can cause extreme hypotension.

Personally, from someone who once got amyl in little vials (used as a cyanide antidote back in the 70s), I hate the stuff. It makes my head feel and look like a pumpkin. IMHO Alkyl nitrites (isobutyl is generally what's sold in shops) should be used for what they're best suited for - as solvents or reactants in syntheses.

Anon Ymous
10-12-2008, 23:13
Yo phase, so what ur saying is that u have a greater risk of developing a case of pancreatic cancer after you quit smoking?? I'm relatively fucked, I should quit while I'm still young.

Yeah my mate sometimes inhales the Colt Fuel while completely fucked of drinks in clubs and ive joined him a couple of times but it's not that great a feeling. it feels as if yor getting poisoned to some degree, i agree with dude above ima stop fucking round with that shit Especially while withdrawing from 4mg clonazepam.

Verybuffed
10-12-2008, 23:32
Hey Phase, please tell me that Nitrites are not related to Nangs.

phase_dancer
11-12-2008, 00:36
Yo phase, so what ur saying is that u have a greater risk of developing a case of pancreatic cancer after you quit smoking?? I'm relatively fucked, I should quit while I'm still young.

No, the risk is pretty much the same and doesn't decrease until ~10 years after you stop smoking. Should you stop smoking? Other than listing all the medical reasons which you are probably already aware of, that's a question only you can answer.



Hey Phase, please tell me that Nitrites are not related to Nangs.

As a class of drug, nitrites are NOT related to nitrous oxide.

Verybuffed
11-12-2008, 01:08
[QUOTE=phase_dancer;6629934

As a class of drug, nitrites are NOT related to nitrous oxide.[/QUOTE]

Thanks mate.

PsiloSubNaut
11-12-2008, 01:41
OK im not 100% on this but I think im pretty sure. I think the problem is as you said, the stuff sold here locally isnt the propper stuff.

I think what you want is amyl nitrite but the poppers you buy in aus sex shops are actually isobutyl nitrite or butyl nitrite. I could possible have these mixed up but I know its something like this. Although they all roughly do the same thing, there is one of them which is fdar superior out of the 3.

That's why i import jungle juice. Amyl Nitrate, never had a problem with it.

toa$t
11-12-2008, 03:15
That's why i import jungle juice. Amyl Nitrate, never had a problem with it.

you may want to read the label on your jungle juice there buddy.

PsiloSubNaut
11-12-2008, 05:51
JUnGLE JUICE

THE ULTIMATE ROOM ODERISOR

Amyl nitrate

customs sticker lol

toa$t
11-12-2008, 05:59
really? the 'jungle juice' you can buy in canada is isobutryl nitrite.

Pistachio
11-12-2008, 15:23
I've never managed to get much from these things. I hold the bottle under my nose and inhale several slow deep breaths through my nose and hold them. My face gets a bit hot and that's about it. Maybe my deviated septum is constricting my ability to inhale enough to feel the effects.

Also, careful of getting it on your skin, I got some on my lip and it actually felt like it was burning. May have been psychosomatic though.

PsiloSubNaut
12-12-2008, 01:40
I get mine from eastern europe, only recently got the jungle juice, used to get another brand. Could have changed or they may just send the shit stuff to Canada hahaha

Never had sniffy when i was in Canada, too busy snorting dirt cheap insane coke and stuff to worry about that!

toa$t
12-12-2008, 01:43
yeah, we do like our cheap insane coke over here.

PsiloSubNaut
12-12-2008, 01:49
I kill you! lol

Expensive and cut to hell down here, i stick to mdpv, it's my synthetic coke

Sustanon
13-12-2008, 13:22
I love poppers. The Rush brand is the best. The others are just pure shit. They give u a headache n make u sick. The one that i get from eastern europe is the bomb. Doesnt smell at all and is very very pure. It evaporates soooo fast like a whole 9ml bottle gone in like 3-4 hours with the 3 of us. The ones i get are produced in europe. Its maaaddd:) u can see how many i gone through in like 2 months lol . These bottles are the ones i did at home and not including the ones we threw away or dropped at clubs lol

http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0167cj5.jpg

rogan
13-12-2008, 22:39
As in the one pictured doesn't smell at all??? I've gone through a couple of bottles of that one and it definitely smells, much prefer the jungle juice. I'd love to come across one that doesn't smell, been kicked out of clubs before for doing it...I swear as soon as you open the bottle everyone within a 20m radius can smell it.

Sustanon
14-12-2008, 00:29
As in the one pictured doesn't smell at all??? I've gone through a couple of bottles of that one and it definitely smells, much prefer the jungle juice. I'd love to come across one that doesn't smell, been kicked out of clubs before for doing it...I swear as soon as you open the bottle everyone within a 20m radius can smell it.

My one doesnt smell. Only if its got a a tiny amount on the bottom. It irritates our noses. I got kicked out of a club few weeks ago. They tried calling the cops on me and i told them they can call whoever they want i was laughing cos they didnt know what it was. I was yelling at the secrurity and asking for a refund and telling them im gonna blow up the whole club lol i was surprised they didnt jump me cos there was 4 of em lol

Pie
15-12-2008, 08:51
i dont mind an amyl binge now and then when coming down or peaking...but there is something dirty about it that makes it seem a little unsafe.

Anon Ymous
15-12-2008, 09:45
Pie sums it up just about right, plus he has a delicious user name. Now, anyone here fucked around with Piracetam? I'm really interested in this nootropic.

Trois_Ans
20-12-2008, 14:00
Poppers were good enough for H.S.T. they are good enough for me.

jackie jones
20-12-2008, 14:05
i dont know how safe that philosophy is... but i follow it at times. god bless that man.

moderateuser
22-12-2008, 11:32
Poppers were good enough for H.S.T. they are good enough for me.

He died an unhappy man, also I believe he took them for heart condition exacerbated by irresponsible substance abuse.

Trois_Ans
27-12-2008, 14:19
No, he took them because he enjoyed them. The heart condition was imagined, because amyl was being used as medication for angina at this point. Have you read his suicide note? He enjoyed pretty much everything up until around 50, where he felt he had become a burden on society.

claire22
28-12-2008, 17:55
amyl nitrite is the stuff sex shops sell in the 'leather cleaner' boxes.
it is basically a muscle relaxant, was used mainly for homosexuals back in the day to relax their involuntary muscles aka anal sphincters.
the initial effects include an almost immediate sense of happiness and pleasure called a "head rush" The rush feeling of euphoria or extreme happiness and well-being. is caused by a temporary cut in the amount of oxygen to the brain and the faster pumping of the heart. These feelings last just two to five minutes and are usually followed by a headache.

RedLeader
28-12-2008, 20:15
Tried the stuff once, about six months ago. Seriously, never again. Not only did I not enjoy the experience or "rush" at all, but it also made me feel very sleezy and like low-life druggie scum. I mean to each his/her own; I have some friends who love it. Just not my cup of tea.

phase_dancer
28-12-2008, 22:40
amyl nitrite is the stuff sex shops sell in the 'leather cleaner' boxes.

Almost all nitrites sold today as poppers / leather cleaner etc are isobutyl or isopropyl, with some impurities of isobutanol/isopropanol and alkyl nitrates. These days, amyl nitrite is rarely, if ever, sold in Sex shops around Australia.

claire22
29-12-2008, 07:44
Almost all nitrites sold today as poppers / leather cleaner etc are isobutyl or isopropyl, with some impurities of isobutanol/isopropanol and alkyl nitrates. These days, amyl nitrite is rarely, if ever, sold in Sex shops around Australia.

i got some the other week

RedLeader
29-12-2008, 12:33
^ How did you know it was amyl nitrite? Did you buy it from a sex shop?

claire22
29-12-2008, 13:04
^ How did you know it was amyl nitrite? Did you buy it from a sex shop?

i have tried amyl nitrite before this & the smell,effects, colour was exactly the same.
altho im not 100% certain 'cos i did not test it, but reasonably sure, could be wrong.

Sustanon
29-12-2008, 13:38
That reminds me i need to get sum more lol

The ones that they sell in Australia are all shit. The ones that i bought were crap here, the guy said this is the strongest one, took a sniff and it made me sick and smelt really bad.
Nothin beats the good ole european rush:) im amazed ive gone through 9 bottles in the past 2 month lol

claire22
29-12-2008, 13:48
Nothin beats the good ole european rush:) im amazed ive gone through 9 bottles in the past 2 month lol

shit man that can't be good for ya

phase_dancer
29-12-2008, 22:58
Most short chain alkyl nitrites have similar odours. The amyl nitrite I used to get in the 70s was in small glass vials, for use as a cyanide antidote (often ineffective). Compare that odour with isobutyl nitrite and you should notice the difference, but each on its own may be hard to pick.

For those interested, another way to work out what type of nitrite is in a product is to find the boiling point. This can be done using a heat source, test tube and thermometer.

If relatively pure, Amyl nitrite should boil at 97-99 deg C. Isobutyl and butyl nitrites have lower boiling points.

Be careful with heating these chemicals. Do the experiment outside, or in a well ventilated place. Some of the gases that evolve with heating are nasty; corrosive and toxic. For goodness sake don't inhale any vapors.

As for legality; I'm pretty sure amyl nitrite is banned in qld, although I haven't found a ref.



In South Australia isobutyl nitrite, butyl nitrite and amyl nitrite are Schedule 4 products and supply, sale, possession and administration to another person of these products is contrary to section 18 of the Controlled Substances Act unless specifically permitted and is therefore illegal.

From here (http://www.acsa.org.au/linked/resources/gmh_resources/FactSheet1-Poppers.pdf)

ayjay
30-12-2008, 06:42
I can't cite a source re-legality BUT my understanding is that it would be illegal to sell alkyl nitrites for use as a drug (ie - to be inhaled), but that it can be sold for other purposes - "room odoriser", "video head cleaner"

This is the closest I can find that refers to legality:
Inhalants and the law

Use or possession of volatile substances is not illegal in Victoria . Most inhalants are common household products, so it is not practical to make them illegal. It is also unlikely that this would help protect young people from harm.

It is illegal, however, to sell a product to someone if you believe that it is to be used for the purposes of inhaling.

The Drugs, Poisons and Controlled Substances (Volatile Substances) Act 2003 was amended in Victoria, allowing police to search and/or detain for questioning young people under the age of 18 years regarding volatile substances in their possession. Police may confiscate these substances if they believe the young person to be in danger of harm by use of the substances. Police may also detain the young person for the purposes of transporting them to a parent, guardian or youth drug and alcohol service, as appropriate. See our Fact sheet 3.1 Young people, volatile substances and the law for more information.

The Volatile Substances Protocol (July 2004) has been designed to ensure a consistent response from all relevant agencies when responding to a young person who has or is likely to abuse inhalants and who has been brought to the service by police.

The Protocol is available at www.health.vic.gov.au/drugservices/pubs/volatile.htm.

From DrugInfo website (http://www.druginfo.adf.org.au/druginfo/fact_sheets/inhalant_use/inhalant_use_for_workers.html)

tribesman
30-12-2008, 10:08
Are those little bottles of 'Rage' amyls?

Those are BZP.

rm2x
31-12-2008, 08:09
Isopentyl Nitrite is another one i read as the ingredient for one of the american aromas. So many fakes in aus and online.

Joshy_17
11-01-2009, 05:56
alkyl nitrites are the way better ones, the other isobul nitrate and amyl nitrate are way shittyer and make you feel really crappy and give you mad headaches. and much dirtier buzzes. Personally i really prefer a massive lungful of nos.

ayjay
12-01-2009, 00:33
^ isobutyl nitrite is an alkyl nitrite :)

Mr Blonde
12-01-2009, 02:46
^ Mmm, Joshy I believe you meant to say 'amyl nitrite is the better one and isobutyl nitrite and other assorted alkyl nitrites are way shittyer (sic).' ;)