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bit_pattern
22-08-2009, 15:52
Err...all nitrites are potential carcinogens. Why?

Because they react with secondary amines in the body to produce nitrous amines - many of which are very powerful carcinogens. Check out some of my older posts for specific references.

Nitrosamines are also produced in small amounts naturally in the body due to enzymatic actions on nitrates, which are in many vegetables. Nitrites are also used as preservatives in processed meats (incl bacon) and beer, although antioxidants are now added to these foodstuffs which limit nitrosamine formation. Such was the concern in the 70's, that until it was found that nitrosamine formation was inhibited by Vit C, serious thought was given to removing bacon altogether from the US market. Sodium nitrite and salt greatly inhibit growth of botulism, and suitable replacements just don't seem to exist. NaNO2 also gives bacon and ham it's characteristic colour

Taking large amounts of a nitrite inhalant means potential for nitrosamine formation is far higher, particularly when taken with/after drugs containing a secondary amine group. MDMA is of course, a secondary amine.

To give you an idea of just how nasty nitrous amines are, think about one of the risks associated with smoking - pancreatic cancer. Smoking increases the risks of contracting pancreatic cancer, most likely because of the amounts of nitrous amines produced in cigarette smoke. Pancreatic cancer is supposed to be rare although I've known 5 people in the last 3 years that have died from it. It is almost always fatal. What's most alarming is the risk of contracting pancreatic cancer after giving up smoking. The risk ( nearly double that of someone who has never smoked) persists for a decade or more after stopping. While it is yet to conclusively proven, it is generally believed that it's due to nitrosamines.

So, while occasional use probably doesn't present too much of a problem in this regard, it's worth noting these properties and realising nitrites are not desirable chemicals to be consuming if you're concerned about long term health.

Micks warnings on alcohol and nitrites should be noted. Also the warnings on never taking Viagra with nitrites should be heeded, as this combo can cause extreme hypotension.

Personally, from someone who once got amyl in little vials (used as a cyanide antidote back in the 70s), I hate the stuff. It makes my head feel and look like a pumpkin. IMHO Alkyl nitrites (isobutyl is generally what's sold in shops) should be used for what they're best suited for - as solvents or reactants in syntheses.

I always knew that shit felt like it just couldn't be good for you

Sustanon
23-08-2009, 15:33
Hmmm i couldnt live without poppers. There the best to use with any other drug. It intensifies it by 100x. Nothing beats laying on the bed on 2 tabs of acid and taking a whiff of poppers. A massive wave of euphoria hits u in slow motion for a few mins and u get the maddest OEV ever.

Ive gone through heaps n heaps of bottles lol and also bit concerned about the health risks involved.

http://www.mypicx.com/thumb/1617101409_08232009_1.jpg

Crankinit
23-08-2009, 15:44
Have these things been confirmed as neurotoxic? It 'feels' like the kind of thing that should fry your braincells, but I've never actually seen a source confirm that they do.

phase_dancer
23-08-2009, 21:20
Have these things been confirmed as neurotoxic?

I don't think there's been anything that shows direct neurotoxicity, but there's certainly lots on carcinogenicity and immuno-suppressive effects.

This somewhat old paper has many refs to journal publications on the subject. It has a lot about prevalence of AIDS and other disorders among homosexual men, but there's also many references relevant to the effect of nitrite inhalants on gene suppression, changes in immune function etc. Worth a browse if anyone is convinced these things are harmless.

Poppers and immunosuppression (http://www.sfcityclinic.org/moreresources/POPPERSANDIMMUNOSUPPRESSION.pdf)

PsiloSubNaut
24-08-2009, 03:22
Hmmm i couldnt live without poppers. There the best to use with any other drug. It intensifies it by 100x. Nothing beats laying on the bed on 2 tabs of acid and taking a whiff of poppers. A massive wave of euphoria hits u in slow motion for a few mins and u get the maddest OEV ever.

Ive gone through heaps n heaps of bottles lol and also bit concerned about the health risks involved.

http://www.mypicx.com/thumb/1617101409_08232009_1.jpg

I'd say it only intensifies it 5x max and doesn't even scrape the surface of what nitrous oxide is capable of when tripping

ayjay
24-08-2009, 06:25
^hey why not do both! Actually I have heard tale of putting a few drops of amyl in your cracker - but frankly that scares me - I just stick to doing them sequentially ;)

Crankinit
24-08-2009, 09:25
I don't think there's been anything that shows direct neurotoxicity, but there's certainly lots on carcinogenicity and immuno-suppressive effects.

This somewhat old paper has many refs to journal publications on the subject. It has a lot about prevalence of AIDS and other disorders among homosexual men, but there's also many references relevant to the effect of nitrite inhalants on gene suppression, changes in immune function etc. Worth a browse if anyone is convinced these things are harmless.

Poppers and immunosuppression (http://www.sfcityclinic.org/moreresources/POPPERSANDIMMUNOSUPPRESSION.pdf)

I'm not so concerned about immunosuppresion, since it would be an occasional thing, carcinogenicity would depend on the extent to which are they are so, and I imagine if it was extensive with even occasional use we'd hear more about it. Mostly I'm just worried about my braincells, I've decided I'm actually quite fond of them and want to keep as many as possible.

hyroller
24-08-2009, 12:38
I don't know why the gay guys in melbourne love this shit so much 8o

nasty nasty stinky stuff... yew

madmick19
24-08-2009, 12:43
heya PD thanks for the information, im surprised that these findings are not more well known in the GLBT scene !!! a good point in case to discus in HR circles further. As for your question hyroller- amyl's side effects are loosening of muscles namely the sphinter= less pain

JoshE
24-08-2009, 12:44
Yea we used to sniff the fumes that came from Jungle Juice whilst peaking on Ecstasy.. During the comedown was good too, used to bump the peak back up :)

Sustanon
24-08-2009, 13:18
Jungle juice and all the other ones are shit. The only one that is the best is the Rush brand that are made in Europe. Theres alot of fake/weak types on the Aussie markets. Bought a few types incl Rush and they were shit, gave me a headache and made me sick and smelt too. Didnt get nowhere near as high with em and was dissapointed as. The ones i use are the bomb and better than nitrous.

onthemend
24-08-2009, 13:34
I have used nitrite inhalants (RAM Gold, to be specific) regularly for about 15 years - I never had sex without it. I used to smoke heavily. I have recently been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. FYI.


To give you an idea of just how nasty nitrous amines are, think about one of the risks associated with smoking - pancreatic cancer. Smoking increases the risks of contracting pancreatic cancer, most likely because of the amounts of nitrous amines produced in cigarette smoke. Pancreatic cancer is supposed to be rare although I've known 5 people in the last 3 years that have died from it. It is almost always fatal. What's most alarming is the risk of contracting pancreatic cancer after giving up smoking. The risk ( nearly double that of someone who has never smoked) persists for a decade or more after stopping. While it is yet to conclusively proven, it is generally believed that it's due to nitrosamines.

chrisdahl
24-08-2009, 13:41
Does anyone like fucking around "leather cleaner", the shit that adult stores usually sell? What are the risks with using this shit, and can someone fill me in on what exactly the chemical does to your body/brain when inhaled? I was huffing this shit last night with a mate and it blew me away, instantaneous headache, kinda felt like the coming up period after ingesting a bottle of DXM containing syrup, cept more subtle and lasting like 1-4 minutes. Peace.

and has one ever felt their bumhole slackup whilst sniffing poppers? I have but only on the one occasion.

Jordan`
24-08-2009, 13:44
Rush definitely does its name justice, the stuff is nasty though. Mainly headaches and a slight nauseous feeling which isn't really out of the ordinary for side effects with respect to a lot of substances. You should be able to figure out for yourself that the stuff can't be good for you after you've tried to a couple of times.

Crankinit
24-08-2009, 15:15
I don't know why the gay guys in melbourne love this shit so much

nasty nasty stinky stuff... yew

Relaxes the muscles around the anus or some such, so I can definately see the appeal for gay men.

hyroller
24-08-2009, 17:39
^^^^ This I know, but it's fucking gross.

I mean...the fumes!!!! the giddiness of amyl is just not nice, not least in the wilful sense.

To each their own however!

Jakeperson
25-08-2009, 04:15
I wouldn't say it isn't nice.

It's quite intense, just an intense neutrality. I quite enjoy it, but a whole bottle lasts too long for me. I get bored of it pretty quick.

dj_esky
16-02-2010, 21:04
i'm just wondering, why is amyl now illegal?

alanzs
17-02-2010, 07:31
i have tried amyl nitrite before this & the smell,effects, colour was exactly the same.
altho im not 100% certain 'cos i did not test it, but reasonably sure, could be wrong.

Amyl Nitrate isn't sold in sex shops in Aus.... Don't believe me? Just read the label, easy peasy... :)

Sustanon
17-02-2010, 08:51
Why does everyone talk about amyl? Its been illegal for a very long time. Poppers contain nitrates. The best type the one i usually but contains iso butyl nitrate. Just a warning to all of u only get the ones that have that in them i have seen the exact same brand, same label everything with sumfn completly different chemical in it. The real deal doesnt smell, no headache and no sickness. Beware of fakes.

acidprime
17-02-2010, 10:14
nothin like hittin a popper just after a mdma peak..... instant eye wobbles...


Wouldn't touch that shit any other way...... sniffing them straight feels like my head expands and gets hot...

glad i only ever had one bottle years ago ... didn't know they were so carcinogenic :S

lil angel15
17-02-2010, 11:11
I've removed some posts talking about prices and also providing 'hints' on how to find poppers.

Keep it away from pricing and sourcing guys - that's not what Bluelight is here for. :\

Stunts
18-02-2010, 12:50
I'd say it only intensifies it 5x max and doesn't even scrape the surface of what nitrous oxide is capable of when tripping

I'm still yet to combo acid with amyl/nitrous. I can only imagine great things, it's just that everytime we decide we're keen theres none on hand. Always seem to make plans to have some spare for the next time we're tripping, but it never eventuates or we forget.

rogan
18-02-2010, 23:57
Yes you cannot possibly compare poppers+lsd to nitrous+lsd, I still don't feel like I've quite come back from my last nang over a month ago.


The real deal doesnt smell, no headache and no sickness. Beware of fakes.
No smell?! I've tried a lot of different brands, they varied a lot in smell but all had a distinctly offensive smell.

TripppAR
19-02-2010, 00:30
haha yeh..they are the cheap knock offs mate

pure shit doesnt really smell at all! its awsome..

Stunts
19-02-2010, 06:06
Yes you cannot possibly compare poppers+lsd to nitrous+lsd, I still don't feel like I've quite come back from my last nang over a month ago.


No smell?! I've tried a lot of different brands, they varied a lot in smell but all had a distinctly offensive smell.

How intense are we talking regarding combining nitrous and lsd cos I'm pretty keen to give it a go. Also I realise everyone trips differently, but what do you think for the most part I can expect if I do mix the 2 together? Just really wild OEV's?

dfaktz
19-02-2010, 10:16
Nitrous + LSD also known as "gascid" IMHO is better than any drug, ever.

The combo is famous and a few have had some serious problems after doing this repetitively over a long period of time; one actually posted his story on bluelight.

I recommend to try it, but be safe and don't do the oxygen deprivation method.. especially on acid.

Sustanon
19-02-2010, 11:27
How intense are we talking regarding combining nitrous and lsd cos I'm pretty keen to give it a go. Also I realise everyone trips differently, but what do you think for the most part I can expect if I do mix the 2 together? Just really wild OEV's?

I have been using poppers for about 10 years now, gone through atleast a 200-300 bottles. The good brand popper shits all over nitrous. These ones are just recent ones from 2009.

I have tried nitrous on several occasions and i didnt think it was that good. Just made me feel like im on ice for like 20 secs jumping all over the room.

Take a whiff of poppers whilst laying down on ur bed on shrooms or acid (on shrooms its a way better feeling) and it feels like it kicks in slow motion and u feel this cold then warmth all thru ur body.

U just start to float and sink into the bed with the biggest euphoria u can imagine.

To be honest its a better feeling than Heroin or Oxys and i have done my fair share with all of em. OEV intensify by atleast 3-4 times and its just too insane to describe.

morbiddoctor
19-02-2010, 11:38
Wait, so you're saying amyl's and butyl's are illegal? I work in a sex shop that sells them in Seattle.

Sustanon
19-02-2010, 11:42
Wait, so you're saying amyl's and butyl's are illegal? I work in a sex shop that sells them in Seattle.


We live in Australia, everything is illegal here. Amyl nitrate is def illegal. Iso butyl nitrates and its cousins arnt.

dfaktz
19-02-2010, 22:30
We live in Australia, everything is illegal here. Amyl nitrate is def illegal. Iso butyl nitrates and its cousins arnt.

But its legal to import?

morbiddoctor
19-02-2010, 22:42
Oh, duh. Didn't see the forum name. Sorry guys.

Stunts
23-02-2010, 05:50
Thanks for the info Sustanon, gunna give it a try on Thursday night. Hopefully I don't get a nasty amyl headache mid trip but I never really get it with the brand I'll be using.

perthboy
23-02-2010, 08:06
But its legal to import?

anyone care to answer this?

Sustanon
23-02-2010, 11:23
anyone care to answer this?

Of course it is. Its legal.

drug_FUCKED
06-04-2010, 20:21
You used to be able to get it from chemical supply places, amyl nitrate that is.
Got a bottle of the good Rush with the PPP in it. Was ok different nitrate to butyl though

Sustanon
06-04-2010, 21:33
You used to be able to get it from chemical supply places, amyl nitrate that is.
Got a bottle of the good Rush with the PPP in it. Was ok different nitrate to butyl though

It is butyl man, iso butyl nitrate. Well thats whats in that brand u mentioned. The fakes ones have sum sort of alcohol in it and is crap and thats what gives it a bad name.

phase_dancer
07-04-2010, 01:02
And it's Butyl Isobutyl, Amyl etc NITRITE, . Don't forget, nitrites are fantastic for producing those wonderful [sic] nitrosamines that would-be cancer cells are so fond of.

lujoyalin
07-04-2010, 01:18
amyl nitrite, butyl nitrite, isopropyl nitrite

there all the same to me.

I am a regular user of such products but in moderation.

Inhaling nitrites relaxes smooth muscles throughout the body, including the sphincter muscles of the anus and the vagina.[3] It is unclear if there is a direct effect on the brain.[22] Smooth muscle surrounds the body's blood vessels and when relaxed causes these vessels to dilate resulting in an immediate increase in heart rate and blood flow throughout the body, producing a sensation of heat and excitement that usually lasts for a couple of minutes.[23]

Alkyl nitrites are often used as a club drug or to enhance a sexual experience.[4] The head rush, euphoria, and other sensations that result from the increased heart rate are often felt to increase sexual arousal and desire.[4] It is widely reported that poppers can enhance and prolong orgasms.[1]

While anecdotal evidence reveals that both men and women can find the experience of using poppers pleasurable, this experience is not universal;[24] some men report that poppers can cause short-term erectile problems.[1]

Please try at home

Sustanon
07-04-2010, 10:59
U wont find amyl nitrate in any poppers as its illegal. So frustrating when people refer to poppers as amyl when its highly illegal.

psytaco
07-04-2010, 14:32
The only interest this stuff holds for me would be to try it during sex. I've had it on pills and acid and too be honest its not that great.

Give me nangs anyday. Nangs + acid = the most amazing experience on earth. nangs + DMT is pretty darn good too.

Sustanon
07-04-2010, 15:30
No way man LOL nothing personal Taco but u needa try the rush brand. Those are the good ones mixed with psychedelics. Dmt on the other hand mixed with shrooms or acid is breath taking :)

phase_dancer
08-04-2010, 01:07
U wont find amyl nitrate in any poppers as its illegal. So frustrating when people refer to poppers as amyl when its highly illegal.

So frustrating when people continue to refer to it as amyl NITRATE. Not only that but being misleading and easily overlooked, there's potential for the nitrate to also be quite dangerous. How do you know someone won't order amyl nitrate and continue redosing to get the high they expect? Misnaming may be a common mistake, but regular contributors here should know better Sustanon.

The preferred popper ingredient that is the volatile vasodilator and source of nitric oxide is AMYL NITRITE, and forms part of most modern cyanide antidote kits (note: this is not a viable source as kits are prohibitively expensive, and the amyl nitrite is mixed with other, somewhat toxic chemicals).

From Wiki on amyl NITRATE


Not to be confused with amyl nitrite.

Amyl nitrate is the chemical compound with the formula CH3(CH2)4ONO2. This molecule consists of the 5-carbon amyl group attached to a nitrate functional group.[1] It is the ester of amyl alcohol and nitric acid.
[edit] Applications

Alkyl nitrates are employed as reagents in organic synthesis.[2] Amyl nitrate is used as an additive in diesel fuel, where it acts as an 'ignition improver' by accelerating the ignition of fuel.
[edit] References

1. ^ EPA on Pentyl nitrate
2. ^ Zajac, Jr., W. W. "1-Nitropropane" in Encyclopedia of Reagents for Organic Synthesis 2001 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd. DOI: 10.1002/047084289X.rn051.



From Wiki on Amyl NITRITE


The term "amyl nitrite" encompasses several isomers. For example, a common form of amyl nitrite with the formula (CH3)2CHCH2CH2ONO may be more specifically referred to as isoamyl nitrite. When the amyl group is a linear or normal (n) alkyl group, the resulting amyl nitrite would have the structural formula CH3(CH2)4ONO.

Amyl nitrite is often confused [citation needed] with amyl nitrate, a substance with a different chemical composition and different properties.

Get the terminology correct please. You'd be laughed at if you ever refereed to MDMA as 3,4-Methylenetrioxymethamphetamine. From a chemist's perspective both incorrect terms are silly, yet unlike the mistake with MDMA, where it's likely to be instantly recognizable, and the substance impossible to obtain, referring to a nitrite as a nitrate could have serious consequences if a user obtained the latter believing it to be the right stuff.

Sustanon
08-04-2010, 01:25
My fault for accidentally misspelling a single letter in the word. Atleast u know im talking all from experience, i dont copy and paste from websites. Whoever Aussie i speak to they all refer to poppers as Amyl which hasnt even been available for years. Its illegal. Ud have serious consequences if someone tried to obtain Amyl.

phase_dancer
08-04-2010, 03:03
Atleast u know im talking all from experience, i dont copy and paste from websites.

http://www.users.on.net/~mark/Season3/Disc4/17/frt.jpg

I think there's something in that for all of us ;)

Sustanon
09-04-2010, 14:17
Not every person who uses poppers are gay. Wtf is he doin anyway? LMAO

phase_dancer
09-04-2010, 22:42
Actually, I didn't think of the gay side, and thought everyone would know who it was (guess it's showing my age again :\ It's from the old tv series Fast Forward. Father whatever his name was, would tell a little story then mention the line I wrote underneath. Sorry, it was the only photo of him I could find.