Well for the first time in my life I actually FEEL my dose, though I dont know if this is a good or bad thing, I mean does this tech mean I took a higher dose?
Yes. Say you normally take 3mg. At 30% BA, that's about .9mg. With alcohol, it's about 1.5mg. So yes, even though you took the same amount of Suboxone, the alcohol made it more potent by allowing more of it to be absorbed and become active than it normally would have. In other words, you took a higher dose than normal. (These numbers were just quick estimates and not actual figures, but they are close enough to demonstrate the difference).
I've got 6 X 8mg Subutex. I need these to last as long as possible. So thinking of giving your method a go. I am thinking of starting out taking 3mg in the morning and 1mg in the evening (4mg a day), then maybe cutting it down/moving up if required.
Is it better to do the procedure of crushing the tablets/adding the alcohol on a daily basis or do any of you make a solution to store?
I wrote the plans so that you could prepare a large amount of the ethanol solution and save it for use over a period of time. You can make one-off doses if you want, but it wouldn't hurt to prepare a large amount ahead of time.
For my plan (3mg AM / 1mg PM) 4mg crushed + 2ml Alcohol. Then that means that 1.5 ml (3mg) in the morning and 0.5ml (1mg) in the evening right?
Yes. That solution would mean there is 1mg per .5ml, so 3mg is 1.5ml and 1mg is .5ml.
Is little pea size bits of cotton wool usable? I don't really know what you guys mean when you say a cotton. In the UK everyone uses cigarette filters when filtering etc. I've got access to cotton wool or q-tips, which would be better you reckon?
Cotton is the best. Do not use wool. When I say cotton, I was referring to either cotton balls, cotton q-tips, or cigarette filter cotton. Any of those three will work since you are not IVing it.
Great thread by the way, exactly what I'm after at the moment; a way to make these 6 X 8mg Subutex last as long as I can.
It's great to see this thread helping so many people. I am really happy that I have contributed something so many people have found useful. It's a great feeling to know I have helped you guys, and it's incredible to see it catching on so much. Most importantly, though, I'm just glad you guys have something that is making your Suboxone therapy more effective.
This is so interesting to me, and I am going to try this! But a quick question.....does anyone have any tips on how to keep yourself from swallowing while trying to hold the solution in your mouth?? I have found the only way I can keep myself from swalling my dose is my sticking 1/4 of it under my top lip to dissolve and absorb, this way I don't taste the suboxone at all and it gets completely absorbed without my mouth filling up with saliva.....
So 6/7....5-10 minutes is long enough for the bupe to absorb? or should I "TRY" to hold it longer? just a quick question...thanks!
This is why I suggest absorbing the dose with a small piece of cotton and placing the cotton under your tongue. When you do that, make sure you do not push down on the cotton with your tongue, though. If you do that, it will squeeze the solution out. Just let it sit there and give it a few minutes to absorb. The cotton keeps the solution in place, making it easier to keep from swallowing. Does that make sense? If not, I can try to explain it better. Are you just putting the solution under your tongue, or are you using cotton but still having trouble keeping yourself from swallowing it?
5 - 10 minutes should be enough, yes. This is why I also suggest using a piece of cotton to absorb the solution and placing that cotton under your tongue: after 10 minutes, you can take the cotton out, and if it's still orange, it means there is still some left. When the cotton turns white again, that means all the solution has been absorbed (this trick won't work for Subutex).
Either way, though, it shouldn't take more than 10 minutes because (A) the alcohol speeds up absorption, (B) the Suboxone is already crushed up, which is what takes the most time when taking the pills sublingually, and (C) it's already in solution which means it doesn't have to take as much time to mix with your saliva and be absorbed. The combination of these three things, plus the increase in bioavailability is what makes this technique so beneficial: it cuts time and increases the amount of buprenorphine absorbed.