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sixpartseven
03-12-2008, 03:31
If you dissolve buprenorphine in a solution of alcohol before you plug it, will the bioavailability be increased like it would do if you did this and took it sublingually?

If this is the case and you used vodka, how much would you need to dilute the vodka before making a solution to plug?

Do NOT plug alcohol. The method I describe in the other thread is for sublingual use only.


My doctor told me that the naloxone in Suboxone, which they have just recently started to prescribe in the UK, competes with the buprenorphine for the receptors causing withdrawal for about thirty minutes, after which the buprenorphine starts to work. After reading other people anecdotal experiences of taking IV Suboxone, I tend to believe he's right about this theory.

I would agree with him. It's my theory for why - even with anti-histamines - you can not obtain a rush from IV Suboxone.

Captain.Heroin
03-12-2008, 04:54
Do NOT plug alcohol. The method I describe in the other thread is for sublingual use only.



I would agree with him. It's my theory for why - even with anti-histamines - you can not obtain a rush from IV Suboxone.
Depends on what you mean by "rush".

It's obviously not the heroin rush users are looking for, but it's definitely there.

Try not doing any suboxone for a day or two, then bang 2mg. You'll feel it.

It's not a full on heroin rush, no...but you will feel it.

Also, you might have to wait longer for IV bupe to give you a rush if you're sublingually using; the half life of IV bupe is a fraction of the half life of sublingual bupe.

I prefer the shorter half life...I wouldn't want to have to wait a week to two weeks to get the suboxone out of my system.

evolutionofthemind
06-12-2008, 23:47
Watched the last half hour of madmax 2 laying on my side, I noticed a small rush shortly after I emptied the syringe into my bowels. Now, feeling a massive opiate buzz, warmth, euphoria. God damn. Renewed vigor in the mundane regimen I had for recreational use. I'll update after I'm done with madmax 3.

How much suboxone are you on a day? I've been taking 24mg sublingually, and just tried plugging the same amount. I felt no rush and no warm opiate buzz.... :(


Depends on what you mean by "rush".

It's obviously not the heroin rush users are looking for, but it's definitely there.

Try not doing any suboxone for a day or two, then bang 2mg. You'll feel it.

It's not a full on heroin rush, no...but you will feel it.

Also, you might have to wait longer for IV bupe to give you a rush if you're sublingually using; the half life of IV bupe is a fraction of the half life of sublingual bupe.

I prefer the shorter half life...I wouldn't want to have to wait a week to two weeks to get the suboxone out of my system.

Ok here's a question... what would be the best way to come off suboxone? I have to be off of it in 3 weeks as I'm going into inpatient treatment and they don't allow you to be on it where I'm going. My first thought was to slowly taper down, taking it sublingually, but you've got me thinking now. Wouldn't the half life (72hrs) make the withdrawal take forever to get done with? I've never withdrawn off anything but heroin and oxycontin before, and that's like a week at the most, shittiest at 72hrs or so. So would you guys recommend plugging or main-lining it till I go into treatment so it will be out of my system quicker? I realize the withdrawals will be more intense and painful, but it's kinda like pulling off a bandaid... all the pain all at once.

Any experience with this? Advice / thoughts / suggestions?


Do NOT plug alcohol. The method I describe in the other thread is for sublingual use only.



I would agree with him. It's my theory for why - even with anti-histamines - you can not obtain a rush from IV Suboxone.

What are the anti-histamines supposed to do?

johanneschimpo
07-12-2008, 00:05
^ Give a rush (they don't).
Like people take benadryl (diphenhydramine, which is an antihistamine) with their pills, the idea to shoot them with their pills came along. Its pointless and VERY dangerous.

Spaazkaz
07-12-2008, 05:43
My precipitated withdrawals never lasted longer then 20-30 minutes, granted 20-30 minutes of sheer hell, but never longer. Then after about a half hour I get the yawns and really sleepy. I bang my Bupe and couldn't think of doing it any other way, 100% bioavailability.

I don't mean to preach man, but bangin' your bupe is bad for you, and bangin' it EVERY time you dose is really terrible for you. The better bioavailability isn't worth taking a couple years off your life. Please force yourself to read horror stories and at least attempt to deter yourself from using this way.

Also, maybe its just me, and i could be very wrong, but since bupe (for most of us anyway maybe not people scripted teg's(are they sublingual?)) is meant to be sublingual, I think dropping suboxone/subutex in water isn't nearly as efficient as it would be in saliva. Mucus helps break shiit down (right?) and even then it takes 5-10 minutes to dissolve/absorb. Is my hypothesis that it doesn't dissolve as complete as many people think (not 100%) correct? Am I making any sense?

Peace and please be safe

-Spaz-

Captain.Heroin
07-12-2008, 10:27
Please force yourself to read horror stories and at least attempt to deter yourself from using this way.
You can have a "Horror Story" yourself if you shoot up anything in an artery, or don't sterilize surfaces before IVing. Doesn't matter what drug it is.


Also, maybe its just me, and i could be very wrong, but since bupe (for most of us anyway maybe not people scripted teg's(are they sublingual?)) is meant to be sublingual, I think dropping suboxone/subutex in water isn't nearly as efficient as it would be in saliva. Mucus helps break shiit down (right?) and even then it takes 5-10 minutes to dissolve/absorb. Is my hypothesis that it doesn't dissolve as complete as many people think (not 100%) correct? Am I making any sense?
It breaks down fine in water.

If you're preparing IV you obviously shatter it into powder first though, just like you would heroin.

Pixman
07-12-2008, 23:16
Hello folks,

I'm not physically addicted to opioids but I don't get anything out of bupre anymore.
But I have a very high tolerance.
I need ~200-250mg of Methadone to feel any high. I can pause for 1 week and I don't get an WDs.
The first time I used Bupre it, I took 200mcg and was experiencing a very warm and beautiful high.

The last time I took it, I put 4mg of Subutex(no naloxone!) under my tongue and after a hour, I was experiencing a kind of high but then suddenly my pupils widened, my nose was wet and had teary eyes.

Did someone experience the same?
Did it rectally work for you with a high? It sounds to me like this, when I read this thread.

It would be very welcome to get some information about this... I loved subutex so hard but I don't get anything out of it snorted or ingested sublingually.

And I'm scared to try it again because those weird WDs start to come again, maybe...?

sixpartseven
11-12-2008, 02:52
Depends on what you mean by "rush".

It's obviously not the heroin rush users are looking for, but it's definitely there.

Try not doing any suboxone for a day or two, then bang 2mg. You'll feel it.

It's not a full on heroin rush, no...but you will feel it.

Also, you might have to wait longer for IV bupe to give you a rush if you're sublingually using; the half life of IV bupe is a fraction of the half life of sublingual bupe.

I prefer the shorter half life...I wouldn't want to have to wait a week to two weeks to get the suboxone out of my system.

What I mean by rush? What other meanings to the word rush are there? I mean the intense onset of effects/euphoria that you get when you IV any drug that can be IVed.

I've shot Suboxone more times than I care to admit, and not once did I ever feel a rush. I hear the same thing from many people who tried it as well. Yeah, I felt the Suboxone, but whether you had the same results as me or not, the one thing that is for sure is it still takes a few minutes for Suboxone to start working via IV (Subutex is a different story because it does not contain naloxone). This means you do not get a rush, in the true sense of the word at least. Maybe you get a rush, or what you define as a rush, but it's not the typical rush. It can't be. It's impossible.

Mix some heroin with naloxone and tell me if you get a rush. Mix some oxycodone with naloxone and tell me if you get a rush. You won't, because they cancel each other out. Same with buperenorphine and naloxone. Naloxone temporarily cancels it out, but because buprenorphine has a higher affinity than naloxone, the buprenorphine will eventually win out, but not immediately, and that's why there is no rush.

One more thing: half life does not change with different routes of admin, by the way ;). No matter what route you use, it will never take even close to a full week for enough of it to be out of your system.

evolutionofthemind
11-12-2008, 02:58
One more thing: half life does not change with different routes of admin, by the way ;). No matter what route you use, it will never take even close to a full week for enough of it to be out of your system.

Enough of it to be out of your system for what?

Also, how long does it take for suboxone (buprenorphine) to be completely out of your system?

sixpartseven
11-12-2008, 03:05
Enough of it to be out of your system for what?

To use another opiate and not have the buprenorphine block it.


Also, how long does it take for suboxone (buprenorphine) to be completely out of your system?

Depends. The half-life is 36 hours. So if you take 8mg, 36 hours later there will only be 4mg, and another 36 hours later there will be 2mg, and another 36 hours later 1mg, and so on and so on.

For those of us that use everyday though, it adds up, which is why it's suggested to not dose everyday if you don't have to, or to just stick to low doses (<4mg).

Think about it:

8mg every 24 hours. You dose 8mg the first day. The next day you have ~4mg in you still when you dose another 8mg. So that's 12mg total in your system on the second day. On the third day, you'll have ~6mg in you when you dose another 8mg, so you'll have 14mg in you on the 3rd day. On the 4th day, you'll have 7mg in your system when you dose another 8mg, so you'll really have a total of 15mg, and so on and so on.

See how that can work against you? It's why it's suggested to take lower doses. The lower the doses, it barely builds up at all, and does it at a much slower pace.

The good news is that if you stop taking it, it shouldn't take more than a full week for it to be low enough for you to use another opiate.

evolutionofthemind
11-12-2008, 03:10
To use another opiate and not have the buprenorphine block it.



Depends. The half-life is 36 hours. So if you take 8mg, 36 hours later there will only be 4mg, and another 36 hours later there will be 2mg, and another 36 hours later 1mg, and so on and so on.

For those of us that use everyday though, it adds up, which is why it's suggested to not dose everyday if you don't have to, or to just stick to low doses (<4mg).

Think about it:

8mg every 24 hours. You dose 8mg the first day. The next day you have ~4mg in you still when you dose another 8mg. So that's 12mg total in your system on the second day. On the third day, you'll have ~6mg in you when you dose another 8mg, so you'll have 14mg in you on the 3rd day. On the 4th day, you'll have 7mg in your system when you dose another 8mg, so you'll really have a total of 15mg, and so on and so on.

See how that can work against you? It's why it's suggested to take lower doses. The lower the doses, it barely builds up at all, and does it at a much slower pace.

I understand the math, but in my reality it's not working like that. Like for instance I plugged a 8mg pill this morning, and not 6 hours later I started to have slight WD symptoms. I sat (twice) with a 2mg nugget under my tongue for probably 30-40 mins praying to all that is holy for it to somehow get into my bloodstream, and things got a bit better. A few hours later I got really dizzy and did the same thing with another 2mg and almost instantly the dizzyness subsided and I started to feel normal again.

I just don't believe the half-life is what it claims to be.

sixpartseven
11-12-2008, 03:14
The reason I say "~Xmg" (~ means about) is because half-life is not the only factor that contributes to how much drug is in your system. The rate of absorption plays a big role, and can be affected by many things, like method of admin for instance.

The half life is 36 hours. It's solid fact, and no matter what, it will always be 36 hours. Half life is a constant.

evolutionofthemind
11-12-2008, 03:52
The reason I say "~Xmg" (~ means about) is because half-life is not the only factor that contributes to how much drug is in your system. The rate of absorption plays a big role, and can be affected by many things, like method of admin for instance.

The half life is 36 hours. It's solid fact, and no matter what, it will always be 36 hours. Half life is a constant.

So why am I experiencing WD after only a few hours?

sixpartseven
11-12-2008, 03:56
*shrugs*

lol sorry. I have no idea why. It doesn't make sense to me.

evolutionofthemind
11-12-2008, 06:56
it could be because after you get below a baseline dose, say 10mg in your system, your receptors aren't used to feeling empty. in other words, they've adapted to 10mg in your bloodstream consistently throughout the day, and have stopped producing natural endorphins accordingly. when you feel the withdrawals coming on multiple times in a day it is likely due to the fact that you dosed multiple times a day the previous day, so you get a bunch of dips under 10mg, where the WD will pick up to alarm your body that it needs more.

the same thing happens to me. i dose twice a day. i feel the WD in the morning upon waking---lethargy, constant yawning, teary eyes, sneezing sometimes, then again in the evening around dinnertime when i am due to dose again.
What about dizzziness? I feel that before anything else... it's most annoying and troublesome. :\

sixpartseven
12-12-2008, 00:59
That's because dizziness is not a symptom of WD.

Are you sure what you are feeling is withdrawal and not just dysphoria from taking too much?

Are you by any chance getting headaches as well?

If you could, evolutionofthemind, list all your symptoms for us.

evolutionofthemind
12-12-2008, 03:51
That's because dizziness is not a symptom of WD.

Are you sure what you are feeling is withdrawal and not just dysphoria from taking too much?

Are you by any chance getting headaches as well?

If you could, evolutionofthemind, list all your symptoms for us.

Funny... I wasn't dizzy all day (and I've sublingually taken my doses so far), but when I just went and took my last dose rectally it made me dizzy again... could it be that it's the rectal administration is what's making me dizzy?

OpiYum
12-12-2008, 10:32
Thanks everyone!

I tried rectal suboxone of 4-8mg (forgot) and actually felt a slight mood lift and "heartwarmth". I have never felt anything good from suboxone until the rectal time. My normal daily does is 8mgs.

nottobright
12-12-2008, 15:55
Just my $.02.....After reading this thread, I decided to go ahead and take 1mg intranasal. To my surprise I actually do have a euphoric feeling. I'm at appx 2mg every other day, so I figured 1mg would be enough, and I was right. Now, maybe I missed this somewhere in this thread, but because I didn't take it the "correct" way, will the effects not work the way they usually do?

chrisinabox
12-12-2008, 16:23
^not from one time intranasal use no. i believe even if you did it intranasally everyday, sublingual would still work, especially since ur doing double the dose that way. so basically yes you should feel it the same, u just may not feel it as euphoric

evolutionofthemind
17-12-2008, 01:26
I saw on a post here about someone saying you could put the crushed suboxone powder into vegetarian/gelatin capsules and then take them rectally that way... just wanted to know if that's true, and if so how successful is it? (BA affinity, etc.)

vicodelicious
17-12-2008, 02:52
Well, it's been said but I'm still going to add my 2 cents.

Rectal Suboxone works wonders! I am Rx'd 24mg of Suboxone per day (3 X 8mg tab). I am absolutely so sick of the nasty taste of letting those bloody pills dissolve in my mouth, so lately I've been taking my daily dose rectally. Here's what I do:

I go to the pharmacy and ask for a 5 or 10 mL oral syringe. Chance are the pharmacy will not charge you, and just give you one b/c they're so inexpensive. If you're questioned why, just say it's for giving your toddler medicine...
Then I take my dose of 3, 8mg tabs and powder them in a small jar, Fill the syringe with 4 - 5 mL of warm water, and squirt this onto the powered buprenorphine. Mix well and draw this up into the syringe. You should have no problem dissolving 3 or 4 8mg tabs in 5mL of warm water. Then lay on your side and insert the syringe into your bum. Now, you don't have to take the whole thing in your ass like a porn star, but you know, enougth to get the liquid solution in you. I'd say a pinky fingers length should do. Slowly inject the solution and then lay there for a few minutes to let the solution absorb. The longer you can lay there the better it will absorb... and presto!! The buprenorphine should hit you better than sublingually and no nasty taste to deal with!

I actually find this procedure a lot less troublesome than dissolving 3 of those nasty tasting tabs under my tounge. This is a very good method and seems to have no ill affect. Happy plugging!

Vicodelicious

Captain.Heroin
17-12-2008, 02:57
Yeah, I felt the Suboxone, but whether you had the same results as me or not, the one thing that is for sure is it still takes a few minutes for Suboxone to start working via IV (Subutex is a different story because it does not contain naloxone). This means you do not get a rush, in the true sense of the word at least. Maybe you get a rush, or what you define as a rush, but it's not the typical rush. It can't be. It's impossible.
"A few minutes" is drastically faster than sublingual onset (for myself). The "rush" you get from IV heroin is not the same as IV bupe. I've only IV'd heroin a dozen times (probably a few more than that), I usually snorted heroin. With that being said, the high was elongated, but there was little rush - the lightheadedness, the nod, the euphoria. I get these things from IV bupe. I get lightheaded (somewhat), I start to nod (not present sublingually from what I can tell), I get euphoric (not like crack or cocaine or heroin or anything like that...it's different...but it is there. it has similarities and differences with heroin, but it is clearly different.). I guess when you said "Yeah, I felt the Suboxone," that's exactly what I'm talking about. I feel it better this ROA because it's more effective at least for myself.


Mix some heroin with naloxone and tell me if you get a rush. Mix some oxycodone with naloxone and tell me if you get a rush. You won't, because they cancel each other out.
This is true, because naloxone has a higher affinity towards the receptor, and it will out-compete diacetyl-morphine and oxycodone.


Same with buperenorphine and naloxone. Naloxone temporarily cancels it out, but because buprenorphine has a higher affinity than naloxone, the buprenorphine will eventually win out, but not immediately, and that's why there is no rush.
I'm sorry but you're wrong here, contrary to popular belief, buprenorphine has a higher affinity towards the receptor, and it will out-compete Naloxone. The dose of naloxone is ineffective in suboxone.

If you IV'd suboxone and didn't get a rush, I'd like to know what dosage you tried, and how long you have IV'd heroin (possibly you've desensitized the receptors to the point where buprenorphine simply cannot give you any sense of euphoria). Most people (even non-opiate users) are high within a minute or two from 0.5mg or 1mg iv suboxone. I'm surprised of your results to be honest.

Another factor is - if you try IV 1mg but are used to sublingually dosing 8 or 16 mg a day, it simply isn't going to work for you, you have to get used to being at 2mg/day of suboxone or lower.

evolutionofthemind
17-12-2008, 05:13
Well, it's been said but I'm still going to add my 2 cents.

Rectal Suboxone works wonders! I am Rx'd 24mg of Suboxone per day (3 X 8mg tab). I am absolutely so sick of the nasty taste of letting those bloody pills dissolve in my mouth, so lately I've been taking my daily dose rectally. Here's what I do:

I go to the pharmacy and ask for a 5 or 10 mL oral syringe. Chance are the pharmacy will not charge you, and just give you one b/c they're so inexpensive. If you're questioned why, just say it's for giving your toddler medicine...
Then I take my dose of 3, 8mg tabs and powder them in a small jar, Fill the syringe with 4 - 5 mL of warm water, and squirt this onto the powered buprenorphine. Mix well and draw this up into the syringe. You should have no problem dissolving 3 or 4 8mg tabs in 5mL of warm water. Then lay on your side and insert the syringe into your bum. Now, you don't have to take the whole thing in your ass like a porn star, but you know, enougth to get the liquid solution in you. I'd say a pinky fingers length should do. Slowly inject the solution and then lay there for a few minutes to let the solution absorb. The longer you can lay there the better it will absorb... and presto!! The buprenorphine should hit you better than sublingually and no nasty taste to deal with!

I actually find this procedure a lot less troublesome than dissolving 3 of those nasty tasting tabs under my tounge. This is a very good method and seems to have no ill affect. Happy plugging!

Vicodelicious
I've done it that way... I want to know if I can use gelatin capsules

pantysweeper
17-12-2008, 06:21
I have never taken any drug this way. If you are going to take suboxone or another pill this way, how far into your ass does it need to go?

evolutionofthemind
17-12-2008, 06:46
I have never taken any drug this way. If you are going to take suboxone or another pill this way, how far into your ass does it need to go?
I would assume just as long as it clears the asshole it's far enough, but I could be wrong...

Anyone.... Anyone.........?


Most people (even non-opiate users) are high within a minute or two from 0.5mg or 1mg iv suboxone.

Why would it take minute or two? IVing any other drug the rush is pretty much instantanious....

Also, is that the recommended amount to IV or could you use up to 4-8mg?

Captain.Heroin
18-12-2008, 06:55
Why would it take minute or two? IVing any other drug the rush is pretty much instantanious....

Also, is that the recommended amount to IV or could you use up to 4-8mg?

There was a study which gave people IV 8mg subutex and suboxone.

I highly do not reccomend IVing 8mg of either - ever at all. You really won't need that much.

I don't know exactly why it takes a minute or two, probably because it's a more subtle effect than mu-agonists. When one shoots heroin, you feel a cold, fluid rush to your head, and you get light headed, and you get really euphoric and feel like you're kind of melting...it's a beautiful feeling. But when one iv's bupe, it's a more subtle feeling, doesn't give you a massive head rush leaving you drooling on yourself (but there is somewhat of a rush nonetheless, the same rush you'd get from sublingually dosing a comparable amount). I have felt iv bupe within 30 seconds (which is usually how fast iv heroin takes to hit me), but due to the fact it's a tad bit more subtle and a lot less euphoric (if I could take bupe to get high I'm sure plenty of people would, but you really can't. It's euphoric to a sense, but if you're on mu agonists, bupe isn't going to do shit to you in terms of a "high", if you're a non-opiate user, it's a different story). The most I would reccomend in an iv of bupe is 2mg TOPS. I would sublingually taper to below 8mg before considering iv bupe, seeing as it has less of the agonist effects at higher doses, iv bupe at a higher dose than 2mg will be a lot less euphoric than below or at 2mg.

You might feel the iv bupe "instantaneous", but it won't be the full effect yet, it will take a while to build up the feeling (as when you shoot heroin, the peak will come on in a few minutes, not instantly as though you were vaporizing crack).

evolutionofthemind
18-12-2008, 06:58
When one shoots heroin, you feel a cold, fluid rush to your head, and you get light headed, and you get really euphoric and feel like you're kind of melting...it's a beautiful feeling.
Are you referring to black tar here or china white? I've only done black tar (a lot of it) and I never had a rush that sounds anything like what you're describing... it sounds absolutely wonderful though! lol

Captain.Heroin
18-12-2008, 13:33
Are you referring to black tar here or china white? I've only done black tar (a lot of it) and I never had a rush that sounds anything like what you're describing... it sounds absolutely wonderful though! lol

I used to get brown/white/sometimes tan/grey (not as common) powder/rock heroin (no black tar). The brown was usually better than the white (despite the fact that pure heroin is white), though the grey rocks were also some of the best batches I've gotten (you know, the stuff that's completely firm and you can chip off a good bit without losing too much, nice and gritty while you're crunching it up...) yeah, the iv rush from the stuff was absolutely wonderful, but I wouldn't like to do it anymore. It got out of hand for me and wasn't as fun as occasionally using. I prefer dosing around 3mg or below of suboxone a day and being able to be totally functional instead.

evolutionofthemind
19-12-2008, 07:09
I prefer dosing around 3mg or below of suboxone a day and being able to be totally functional instead.
Interesting... yea I like to be functional too, but once in awhile I'd like to recreationally get that rush... I just don't know where to go to get the good stuff; the only shit around here is shitty ass tar, and I'd frankly rather do percs or viks that that garbage...

johanneschimpo
20-12-2008, 04:02
Are you bumping to ask about plugging a gel cap of suboxone or shooting suboxone? That all depends on your tolerance. More than anything else though, I should tell you that shooting suboxone is NOT worth it. Shooting heroin, yes. Shooting suboxone, no. And from everything I've read, you don't even get a rush when you shoot it, which is the best thing about shooting.

So whats your question?

evolutionofthemind
20-12-2008, 04:58
Are you bumping to ask about plugging a gel cap of suboxone or shooting suboxone? That all depends on your tolerance. More than anything else though, I should tell you that shooting suboxone is NOT worth it. Shooting heroin, yes. Shooting suboxone, no. And from everything I've read, you don't even get a rush when you shoot it, which is the best thing about shooting.

So whats your question?
I was asking about plugging a gel cap of suboxone...

On a side note, where are you located johanne? Are you in the US?

johanneschimpo
20-12-2008, 05:15
Yeah. I'm in California, so I'm familiar with tar and all that shit.

As for the gelcap, it would work, its just that dissolving the suboxone in water (17mg/mL) would work way better. Since absorption matters, if you were going to do the gel cap thing, crush the pill totally into powder, so when the gel cap dissolves, the suboxone isn't a whole pill; the crushed pieces will increase the surface area and thus increase absorption. Another good idea might be to put a little water in the gel cap - crush the suboxone and put it in the bottom part of the cap, then add a few drops of water, then put the end cap on. Anything like that you can do will increase the absorption.


If you want to talk more, PM me your screen name for either AIM or Yahoo! messenger and I'll hit you up.

Captain.Heroin
20-12-2008, 15:54
Interesting... yea I like to be functional too, but once in awhile I'd like to recreationally get that rush... I just don't know where to go to get the good stuff; the only shit around here is shitty ass tar, and I'd frankly rather do percs or viks that that garbage...

I used to get good shit now I'm done. I don't care about it anymore, I am better off without mu-agonists in my life and I'll try them again, later in life when I don't feel it necessary to always do them consistently like I used to.

johanneschimpo
31-12-2008, 23:09
it feels identical to suboxone.
Because it is. =D

enoughorangejuice?
03-01-2009, 23:05
well i finally tried it... been sniffing 0.45-0.5mg a day for the past week, and today i sniffed 0.4-0.5mg around 8am and around 3:45pm i plugged 0.3-0.4mg and got a wave of opioid warmth and bliss which is still lingering... i also am drunk but the opiate effects are definitely noticeble. tomorrow i'm not gonna sniff my 0.5mg i'm gonna plug it to see if i get the same effects but it is WAY better than sublingual or intranasal in terms of euphoria/bliss/warmth/real opiate effects. i feel like i took some oxy or heroin (low dose). i feel very warm and euphoric. could be the mix of alcohol + valium + rectal bupe but i didnt feel the euphoria until i plugged the bupe (about 25 minutes ago).

Captain.Heroin
03-01-2009, 23:44
i just shot 1.5mg up the peter, and it feels identical to suboxone. maybe a little cleaner, but i think that is placebo. i know i know, the naloxone in suboxone doesn't get absorbed at all enough to be clinically significant, but for myself (and i wanted to share) this proves it.

The naloxone isn't effective when compared in the buprenorphine; subutex and suboxone are the same subjective experience.

The only people who would think they would have a difference are people who wouldn't know because they haven't done it. The naloxone is in there as a placebo, but not for the users of suboxone, but for the FDA, so it's scheduled CIII and not CII. My point being, the FDA didn't try banging 1.5mg subutex vs 1.5mg suboxone, so they can be told there would be a difference, and their naive minds would believe it. ...and that's how easy it is to scam a federal agency.

evolutionofthemind
06-01-2009, 07:17
well i finally tried it... been sniffing 0.45-0.5mg a day for the past week, and today i sniffed 0.4-0.5mg around 8am and around 3:45pm i plugged 0.3-0.4mg and got a wave of opioid warmth and bliss which is still lingering... i also am drunk but the opiate effects are definitely noticeble. tomorrow i'm not gonna sniff my 0.5mg i'm gonna plug it to see if i get the same effects but it is WAY better than sublingual or intranasal in terms of euphoria/bliss/warmth/real opiate effects. i feel like i took some oxy or heroin (low dose). i feel very warm and euphoric. could be the mix of alcohol + valium + rectal bupe but i didnt feel the euphoria until i plugged the bupe (about 25 minutes ago).
How do you measure out such small amounts in powder and still know how many .0? mgs you're doing? :\

johanneschimpo
06-01-2009, 19:44
^ I'd guess one of the three:
- scale that can weigh down to the mg (best way, also most expensive)
- liquid measurement (cheap and easy)
- very, very carefully breaking the pills (not very exact)

evolutionofthemind
07-01-2009, 02:52
^ I'd guess one of the three:
- scale that can weigh down to the mg (best way, also most expensive)
- liquid measurement (cheap and easy)
- very, very carefully breaking the pills (not very exact)
I could see getting the pills broken into 1mg increments but there's no way I can get it down to 0.0_ mgs... how do you get it that precise with liquid? I have a 3ml syringe I could use...

Panacea
07-01-2009, 04:22
is it just as shitty as snorting suboxone or does it feel like IV just with slower onset similar to IM? most drugs i've found IME (ritalin, focalin, oxy ER, oxy IR, morphine, cocaine, amphetamine, roxicodone, hydrocodone (after a CWE), etc are ALL MUCH better rectally (plugged) makes it feel ALMOST like you're mainlining it (except the rush takes an extra minute or two to hit, isn't as strong but is MUCH better than sniffing or taking orally IMO, ESPECIALLY with oxy, morphine, amphetamine and even cocaine feels godlike when u plug it.

i was wondering how suboxone would be up the ass?

anyone ever try?

Keep track of your parentheses.

johanneschimpo
08-01-2009, 02:02
I could see getting the pills broken into 1mg increments but there's no way I can get it down to 0.0_ mgs... how do you get it that precise with liquid? I have a 3ml syringe I could use...

You get that exactl my measuring a known amount of suboxone in a known amount of liquid. 8mg dissolved in 1mL, or whatever numbers you want, will give you a known mg/mL so that you can dose accurately dose very small amounts.

bansh33
08-01-2009, 05:38
how are you guys able to draw the solution into, say, a regular 27 1/2 gauge insulin syringe with the needle broken off? i've tried drawing it up, as well as pouring in, but in the first case the solution seems to be too thick to draw up, and in the latter seems too thick to go through the tip when i try to push the plunger down. i don't understand what i'm doing wrong as i'm using like 70-80 units of water for only 4mg. i really don't want to waste this solution - anyone got any tips?

evolutionofthemind
09-01-2009, 06:33
You get that exactl my measuring a known amount of suboxone in a known amount of liquid. 8mg dissolved in 1mL, or whatever numbers you want, will give you a known mg/mL so that you can dose accurately dose very small amounts.
If I were to dissolve an 8mg pill in 1mL of alcohol, how long could I keep it in the syringe before it would expire or go bad? What I want to do is take 8mg divided up over the next week... 2mg on day one, 1mg on day two, 1mg on day four, 0.75 on day five, 0.5 on day six, and .25 on day seven. I know it's a crash down but I only have a week to do this before I go into treatment. If you can think of a better way please.. tell me.

Saku39
23-05-2009, 05:24
Hmm, I tried this with 6mg. The dose I take daily is 12mg. Getting that syringe up my butt hurt because of the top of the plastic. I would rather have an asian woman fingerbang me to get it in. Anyways it feels *a little* better, no nausea like normal, a little better mood, but nothing like opiates(which I don't take, except for stuff like the dentist once a year). Plus no awful taste. If Subutex doesn't have the crappy taste of Suboxone I would rather do that.

maximumstrength
26-05-2009, 16:07
after reading this thread I decided to give it a go. my normal dose is 4mg once a day. I mixed 8mg with around 1ml of water le fully disolve and did it up. I must say I did not expect a thing I also took 4 flexeril and 6mg of xanax(I usually would take atleast 10mg to catch a buzz) after about 30 mins I started to actually feel a slight opiate buzz, something I never once got from snorting cause thats how I take it daily. But anyway not the greatest but for suboxone it was very decent

TheNod7783
31-05-2009, 11:48
It works, and you don't have to deal with the taste, I would not recommend doing this allot because naxalone is rumored or possibly proven to be harmful to you that way, lay on your side for a while after doing this to let it settle or risk having the runs, only use a quarter of the pill wait an hour then attempt another quarter repeat I have heard of people using more but I think its a bad idea, the key with suboxone is to use it to get over the withdrawals, if you want to get high using suboxone, the real Key is to get yourself off opiates in the first place, an opiate nieve person will achieve an incredible high using suboxone, while a junkie may only achieve that "Normal" feeling and so forth. But Opiates withdrawls are short lasting, if mitigated with small amounts of suboxone for a short period of time its relitively painless, also I am convinced that suboxone is great because if you use it even a few days in a row it looses its ability to get you High at an incredible rate, but if you space your time two weeks apart each time is heaven

Ne0
18-07-2009, 01:57
I have plugged about 0,3mg subutex, it came up really fast, like in one minute and felt much stronger and better than snorted.

Captain.Heroin
18-07-2009, 04:17
I would never snort buprenorphine, why wreck your septum for 20% BA increase?

StaffWriter
18-07-2009, 23:53
I would say 20% is significant. However, I don't believe in chasing a high with a maintenance drug, whether you take it daily (give up, will you) or just recreationally. Someone else is just going to screw up and die and I won't have my medicine.