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DeadheadChemistry
08-08-2008, 02:29
I just got a connection for black tar. I went over to his house and bought a $xx bag and I seem to have a really bad problem. I used to shoot a lot of cocaine and meth, not A LOT, but periodically over 2 years, and now I am on Methadone maintenance and have gained some weight since I started methadone, a lot more than I feel comfortable with. Anyways, the guy was showing me how to do the process (he is pretty experienced, but I dont know if his advice is any good, he is kind of out of it). We cut off a half the bag and used that to put in the spoon. He has diabetes and gave me some syringes, said to draw up 50cc of water and let it drop right over the tar in the spoon. Then (this is the part I thought was weird), he said to take the lighter and heat the spoon until it came to a boil, making sure to keep the water and tar in sync with where it's boiling. I never thought you had to actually boil black tar, but it worked, I started smelling a strong scent of vinegar and eventually most of it was dissolved. I kind of mixed up the rest and it seemed to be pretty disolved, filtered it, and THIS IS WHERE THE PROBLEM BEGINS:

BY THE TIME I FIND A VEIN TO SHOOT IN, I HAVE TORN UP BOTH OF MY ARMS, HAVE BUBBLES POPPING UP ALL OVER MY HANDS, AND TRACK MARKS ALL OVER MY ARMS AND HANDS, TOP TO BOTTOM. I CANNOT HIT A VEIN.

30 minutes later, we finally find a barely visible, but what appears to be a fairly large vein near the front of my arm and going up the side of my arm, I finally got a hit up near the top after completely fucking up my arms.

So Question: Is there anything to do to prevent this ridiculous amount of time it takes to find a vein? Is it safe to IM? And if so how bad does it hurt, swell up, etc? I would prefer to IV it but if I want to do more than a shot, after 2 shots I look like a fucking pin bag.

Anyways, I took 6 xanax bars and I know i'm rambling, just any ideas you may have would be great. Like maybe where some large veins are besides the ones in the creases of your arm, or other methods to prevent going home with yellow, purple, and blue bleeding arms.

Thank you! And sorry again for starting a thread when I'm not completely all here.

-Edited out personal information -GM
*** Removed price. Guess we both missed that. :\ - Mr Blonde***

Foul Play
08-08-2008, 03:01
Heating it to the point of boiling isn't necessary, I would just heat it and stir & repeat 2-3 times until the tar is melted.

You stated that you had gained some weight since you last used IV, this could be the reason it's hard for you to find a vein, you might want to try your foot/legs, but be careful if you do because hitting your foot can be sometimes very painful for the next day or two. As far as IM'n it you can do it, although I feel it's quite a waste with tar, but thats just my opinion

Grumpy_Eel
08-08-2008, 03:02
No dont ever fuckin im tar. Thats an abcess waiting to happen. The weight gain may be the reason you had trouble finding a vein, whereas you used ta could.Were you using long or shorts? Longs are alot better for bigger people, might help you. Practice makes perfect and youd probably feel alot more comfortable not doing it in front of someone, and in your own home.

-Removed off-topic question -GM

Mr Blonde
08-08-2008, 03:11
As far as IM'n it you can do it, although I feel it's quite a waste with tar, but thats just my opinion

IM'ing any street drugs is a very dangerous idea. Like Grumpy Eel said, you're just asking for an abscess or worse (e.g. limb amputation).

leftwing
08-08-2008, 03:17
have a read of this safer injecting practices (http://harm.live.radicaldesigns.org/article.php?id=212)

look through the stickies at the top of the forum

Foul Play
08-08-2008, 03:23
IM'ing any street drugs is a very dangerous idea. Like Grumpy Eel said, you're just asking for an abscess or worse (e.g. limb amputation).


Very true.

One of the only times I ever got an abscess from tar was from a muscle shot (more like a miss shot)

Fortunately my bupe doctor took care of them in the "initial price" of his treatment. Key words initial price.

DeadheadChemistry
08-08-2008, 04:29
Heating it to the point of boiling isn't necessary, I would just heat it and stir & repeat 2-3 times until the tar is melted.

You stated that you had gained some weight since you last used IV, this could be the reason it's hard for you to find a vein, you might want to try your foot/legs, but be careful if you do because hitting your foot can be sometimes very painful for the next day or two. As far as IM'n it you can do it, although I feel it's quite a waste with tar, but thats just my opinion

Exactly, before I gained weight I could find a vein EASY. Now its impossible without tearing up my arms. Gaining weight is definently the primary reason im having these troubles. The only other reason would be because of past IV use. Im tempted to quit methadone, and just start doing smack and lose weight. I hate my social life now, and then once I lose weight, get back on Methadone and this time have a diet plan now that I know how much it messes up your metabolism and makes you crave sugar.

DeadheadChemistry
08-08-2008, 04:31
No dont ever fuckin im tar. Thats an abcess waiting to happen. The weight gain may be the reason you had trouble finding a vein, whereas you used ta could.Were you using long or shorts? Longs are alot better for bigger people, might help you. Practice makes perfect and youd probably feel alot more comfortable not doing it in front of someone, and in your own home.

-Removed off-topic question -GM

I tohught this was on topic, I am using these diabetic syringes from my diabetic friends. I dont know a lot about syringes, I know they are very small and probably "shorts." But I have no access to any larger syringes in OK where you cant get needles without a script. Why would long syringes work better?

DeadheadChemistry
08-08-2008, 04:34
Very true.

One of the only times I ever got an abscess from tar was from a muscle shot (more like a miss shot)

Fortunately my bupe doctor took care of them in the "initial price" of his treatment. Key words initial price.

Yeah thats the other problem, I'm pretty needle nieve and how do I know im sticking the syringe in a muscle at all?

Mr Blonde
08-08-2008, 04:47
I'm pretty needle nieve and how do I know im sticking the syringe in a muscle at all?

Because you won't be registering?

Darth-_Vidar
08-08-2008, 05:08
Long vs. short refers to the length of the needle at the tip of the rig, not the rig itself. A longer needle is better for bigger people because our veins are beneath a layer of skin and fat that is thicker than on a small person. My girlfriend is about 110 lbs and slim, and can hit her elbow vein with a short needle, whereas I am about 240 lbs and can only use these to hit the veins on the back of my hand. If your friend is diabetic he should know a bit about the different types of rigs and weather he has long or short tips, it will also say this on the bag, usually it will give the actual length of the tip. If you have a lot of fat on your arms you should use a belt to find the vein, mark it, then remove the belt, relax, then insert the needle. I can usually feel when the tip pierces my vein, then draw back and register. You may want to check your register after doing a few units of the shot just to make sure you are still in the vein. Btw, please don't IM it is asking for an abcess or infection.

gator00
08-08-2008, 05:24
where are you from also try to take a hot shower b4 it makes the veins really stand out

DeadheadChemistry
08-08-2008, 05:46
Long vs. short refers to the length of the needle at the tip of the rig, not the rig itself. A longer needle is better for bigger people because our veins are beneath a layer of skin and fat that is thicker than on a small person. My girlfriend is about 110 lbs and slim, and can hit her elbow vein with a short needle, whereas I am about 240 lbs and can only use these to hit the veins on the back of my hand. If your friend is diabetic he should know a bit about the different types of rigs and weather he has long or short tips, it will also say this on the bag, usually it will give the actual length of the tip. If you have a lot of fat on your arms you should use a belt to find the vein, mark it, then remove the belt, relax, then insert the needle. I can usually feel when the tip pierces my vein, then draw back and register. You may want to check your register after doing a few units of the shot just to make sure you are still in the vein. Btw, please don't IM it is asking for an abcess or infection.

Yeah I weigh about 200-215, and from what you said I guess the needles he has are short because he and his girlfriend are really small. But how do you have better luck in your hands?? I can never hit a vein in my hand, I mean they are so thin and move around and it is just ridiculous. Yeah, I thought the whole IM thing was kind of crazy, but his girlfriend kept saying "Oh go ahead! I do it all the time, it lasts longer that way." And i'm like "Yeah..... but doesn't it burn like hell and create giant abscesses?" So I wont be IM'ing after what everyone has said.

Any other people about my size know of any good veins that are easy to hit? When I tied off I found a nice vein that you couldn't see, all you can see is a bulge but you can tell it's a nice vein and it's on my left arm, almost on the side of my arm slightly below my hand.

GOD, I hate the fact that I gained so much wait getting on methadone. I sware I think everyday about just quitting methadone and getting strung out till I lose weight and then start methadone and keep a diet plan this time. Nothing works to get the weight off. I ran 4 miles a day for 6 months and I lost a grand total of -0- pounds. I don't eat GREAT, I mean I try to eat a healthy breakfast and maybe sandwiches for lunch, but after work I often get a burger or a taco on the way home. Still, I should have lost something working out that much. Its ridiculous and bothering my social life. I'm so close to just getting strung out till I get back to where I used to be.

altitudes
08-08-2008, 06:14
Shit, you started out by trying to IV half a xx bag without knowing the potency? I know you need a little bit more than usual to get off because of the methadone, but damn. Start off a little smaller to be safe.

***Removed price. - Mr Blonde***

triiper
08-08-2008, 08:34
bubbles poppin up in your hands? that description was completely fucked man. learn to use the needles properly before you use them. and get some common sense.

Coolio
08-08-2008, 09:34
Dude. Stick to methadone, you don't know how to use a goddamn needle right. It doesn't matter how fat you are, you shouldn't ever take more than 2-3 attempts to register and you shouldn't really be leaving track marks if you use fresh needles. You definitely shouldn't be rolling veins around or leaving bubbles.

You're just doing it all wrong, somehow.

Does anyone know where PhreeX's injection guide went?

ccm
08-08-2008, 10:53
Did not read all the replies but the cut in any drug you IV can and will tear your arms up. I have scars and abcess scars from both boy and girl. It is part of the game. My dad is a doctor. I showed him a horrible abcess on my lower back leg (I gave a story) and he said to put a damp washcloth in a baggie, heat it in the microwave, and keep heat on it. The heat increases the blood flow there and whisks the bad stuff away to be detoxified and eliminated.

And you do briefly boil tar H. He steered you right. I am fervently hopeful that you used a filter 'cause a lot or most H is from Mexico/processed there and is filthy.

I think Bob Dylan said,
"if you don't think there is a price for this sweet paradise remind me to show you the scars."

ccm
08-08-2008, 10:57
And as far as weight I am 200 but always find a vein. Of course, I have been hunting veins since 1990, and I got real good at it.

Methadone made me gain weight, cursed stuff.

DeadheadChemistry
08-08-2008, 16:56
bubbles poppin up in your hands? that description was completely fucked man. learn to use the needles properly before you use them. and get some common sense.

Have you ever used a fucking needle? I have not shot much of anything except coke but I know damn well I'm not the only one who has had little "bubbles" pop up after you stick the needle in. It's normal, it's not from missing a shot it just happens, I didn't even do anything but pull back to see if I was in a vein. They aren't like huge bubbles on your hands, it just like swells up slightly and goes away in about an hour, doesn't hurt or anything. My common sense is just fine, that's why I made this thread - to find out if there are things I AM doing wrong to prevent it from happening in the future. I only know one person who shoots up and so he is the only one that was around to tell me how to get the stuff ready, as for the actual injection, I know how to do it, I just have trouble hitting a vein because of past drug use to where both veins in the creases of my arm are basically non-existant. Believe me, before I weighed over 200 pounds and got on methadone I could find a vein the first time EVERY time, so it's not that I don't know what I'm doing. If I didn't have at least a basic knowledge of what I was doing I wouldn't be doing it. I NEVER injected until I read up on exactly how to do it for days and watched multiple people do it before me before I ever did it myself, that seems like common sense to me.

Mr Blonde
08-08-2008, 17:00
^ Let me say then you prepared yourself good for the process then; it's something that shouldn't be taken lightly and needs to have a bit known about it before attempting, and it sounds like you approached with a lot of common sense.

HR FTW.

DeadheadChemistry
08-08-2008, 17:01
Did not read all the replies but the cut in any drug you IV can and will tear your arms up. I have scars and abcess scars from both boy and girl. It is part of the game. My dad is a doctor. I showed him a horrible abcess on my lower back leg (I gave a story) and he said to put a damp washcloth in a baggie, heat it in the microwave, and keep heat on it. The heat increases the blood flow there and whisks the bad stuff away to be detoxified and eliminated.

And you do briefly boil tar H. He steered you right. I am fervently hopeful that you used a filter 'cause a lot or most H is from Mexico/processed there and is filthy.

I think Bob Dylan said,
"if you don't think there is a price for this sweet paradise remind me to show you the scars."

Absolutely, I always, always use a filter. Yeah that stuff can be nasty. Especially where I'm located, the shit has probably passed hands about 10 times before it gets to me. Thank you for the reply, I've never really had any bad abscesses yet, although the creases in my arm are pretty tore up from past use.

And yeah, methadone is a bitch. If someone would have told me i was going to gain over 50 pounds on methadone I would have had some second thoughts.

DeadheadChemistry
08-08-2008, 17:04
^ Let me say then you prepared yourself good for the process then; it's something that shouldn't be taken lightly and needs to have a bit known about it before attempting, and it sounds like you approached with a lot of common sense.

HR FTW.

Thank you for the support, it definently isn't something to be taken lightly, I don't appreciate being told I don't have common sense because since the first time I ever even tried marijuana I spent days reading up on the side effects and what to expect. I pride myself on knowing all the details of what I should be doing, and if I don't feel like I'm doing it right I'm glad there is a place like this where I can freely ask other people who have been in my situation for advice. ;)

Oh, and sorry about not editing the personal information myself, including the price. That's why I shouldn't start threads after taking xanax.

ccm
08-08-2008, 21:07
Oh, and as far as the "wisdom" of some posters, you *will* get little needle hole marks when you inject even with new needles no matter how slick you are. I do not have "tracks" after 20 years of fixing because I use new needles, but my arms and legs and chest sure get bruised up after a run. I wash on the daily with soap and water those areas in particular and after a week of no use they are gone. I don't think you meant tracks as much as bruising, am I correct? Unless you are getting pharmaceutical quality boy or girl you *will* get bruising, EVEN IF YOU ARE IN THE VEIN THE WHOLE TIME YOU RUN IT.

Be careful taking the Xanax with the H. A lot of ppl have woken up dead that way. Take Xanax before you are going to IV coke if anything (lol) to prevent your bloood pressure from soaring.

ccm
08-08-2008, 21:09
Shit, you started out by trying to IV half a xx bag without knowing the potency? I know you need a little bit more than usual to get off because of the methadone, but damn. Start off a little smaller to be safe.

***Removed price. - Mr Blonde***

Better two holes in your arm than one in the ground.

Coolio
09-08-2008, 05:34
Hahahahaha

DeadheadChemistry
09-08-2008, 16:48
Of course you have problems hitting veins if your a fat lardball.

L2LOSEWEIGHT

I'm not even really fat, i'm 6"4 I just used to be a twig before I got on methadone and was used to having veins popping out everywhere, but methadone's a bitch. Click on my profile, the pic of me next to the waterfall is about 4-5 months old, I weigh about 15 lbs more than I did then and I looked like I hadn't eaten in years in that picture. But thanks for the constructive post buddy!

DeadheadChemistry
09-08-2008, 16:54
Better two holes in your arm than one in the ground.

I didn't do an even remotely dangerous amount. I'm on 95mg of methadone and the bag I did half of was a really small bag, I could have done the whole thing and still not felt much of anything. I just felt what you could barely call a rush, really more of just a weird sensation, the methadone blocked most of it. I'm not exactly messing with the best stuff in the world here in Oklahoma.

TheodoreRoosevelt
10-08-2008, 09:01
Oooh man that's bad. Sorry for that post, it was supposed to be edited because I was going to post a picture I made on Paint, but since I was actually on a highway using a laptop using a mobile phone connection, it crapped out when I was in 'Dark Territory".

Real sorry for that, it wasn't even meant to be posted...

Zigarillo
05-03-2009, 17:37
Last year I started methadone after an OD of H, OC, Xannies, coke, and E. The docs at the hospital said I had GHB in my syst as well, which was probably slipped into one of my drinks.

Anyway, my advice if you want keep using, is to get off that fucking methadone. I was up to 140mg/day...its more expensive than a dope habit, and has MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, worse withdrawals. I was sick for a month with the shits, chills, etc. For me, I see no point in using when your on methadone...I could NEVER get off while on, so I just went back to booting coke and meth.

My advice is to stop the BS meth, and if you still want to use find new injection spots. Be careful though, because when you come off of methadone your tolerance is significantly reduced, and OD is quite likely.

Im a runner with great veins, but they are all fucked up....It takes me a long time to tap a vein, and they are big and thick. The thing is I was pushin my veins 10 times a day with all diff kinds of drugs from H to Meth, to Ritalin, and so on.

Finally my veins are back.....the best thing to is run, lift wieghts with HIGH REPS, and rotate sites.

I wish you the best bro.....I just spent, 20 min trying to register a shot with big veins that are so scarred they just collapse.

Ziggy

JerseyJunkie
05-03-2009, 22:22
bubbles poppin up in your hands? that description was completely fucked man. learn to use the needles properly before you use them. and get some common sense.

for reals homie.

Captain.Heroin
05-03-2009, 22:29
You shouldn't have to try that many times. I would advise losing some weight, doing muscular and cardiovascular exercises in order to help your veins return to the surface.

But I like the fact you're switching from methadone to heroin. If you're going to use mu-agonists, you might as well be doing heroin (or your personal favorite).

leftwing
06-03-2009, 01:54
this thread is ancient guys, im sure the OP hasnt checked this for a while.

i also took out the abusive posts.

DeadheadChemistry
06-03-2009, 05:13
lol, wow yeah I haven't looked at this thread in a long ass time. I haven't even done heroin since a few days after I made this thread. Sorry for bumping it again, just thought it was funny to see it up here again.

Ed226
11-10-2010, 22:58
Hey,

I see that this topic is really old, but I wanted to add something about this for anyone else who is looking for an answer to the problems with tar heroin and your veins. In one word: Sclerosis

The Health Risks of Black Tar Heroin Addiction

In addition to all the standard health problems associated with heroin use, there are a number of conditions unique to the use of black tar heroin that make it one of the most dangerous forms of the drug in the world. Specifically, individuals who use black tar heroin are at risk for developing sclerosis, a hardening of the veins that makes injections almost impossible in the affected area and negatively impacts the circulation of the individual. Also, there are a number of serious bacterial infections associated with black tar heroin abuse, any one of which can be fatal.

(above from http://heroin.net/types-of-heroin/the-dangers-of-black-tar-heroin/)

I used tar for years, IV. After about two years or so, this happened to me. I spent the next 3 or 4 years searching in vain for a vein. I have scars all over my legs, arms and other places due to the abscesses I got from misses and shooting IM. I liked to occasionally speedball as well and IM just doesn't work for speedballs. The doctors (when I need a blood draw or and IV) simply cannot find a usable vein either and have to run a picc line from my armpit to my heart.

I'm 5 years clean after getting busted for selling (had to to support that habit). My best advice for shooting tar? DON"T. If you can't quit (which is the best option of course), the switch to powder, methadone or buprenorphine - just run from that tar. Don't feel sorry for me, I did it to myself but I don't want anyone else to go through it if they can help it.

DavisK4high247
11-10-2010, 23:49
A lot of people have also ended up dead taking Methadone with Xanax,especially when taking a higher than normaly prescribed amount of Xanax..

hydrochron
12-10-2010, 00:05
You only need about 4mg's of klonopin or xanax for the effect of a strong opiate to get magnified to a extreme level. You can get a black out/OD rush. (if you enjoy that)

The line is very fine when your start adding potent benzo's with potent opiates. Anything over 2mg's with a high dose of a strong opiate is dangerous. If your just taking weak opiates like hydrocodone, the effects of that will even be magnified.

It's fun, but be careful. And no matter what your tolerance is never take more then 4mg's of klonopin/xanax with strong opiates.

The Hebrew Hammer
12-10-2010, 01:46
these "bubbles" that you are talking about....

Are they kind of like a tiny bug bite?

or are they actually bubbles (like a blister or something)

I usually get tiny bug bite looking marks if i use a needle larger than 31g


And dont feel bad... I have had days where I have had to go BACK to the pharmacy to buy another 10 pack of rigs because of having trouble hitting veins....

your technique will get much better in time.

ATLien88
12-10-2010, 06:22
Anyway, my advice if you want keep using, is to get off that fucking methadone. I was up to 140mg/day...its more expensive than a dope habit,

You must be getting some inexpensive dope, or not using a lot. Methadone is definitely not as expensive as a dope habit. You are right about the WD's, they are fucking horrible on the 'done.

sappyfoo
01-02-2011, 20:35
Just don't IM a shot with blood and tar in it. Say you were trying to hit a vein, have blood in it but never registered with a vein fully, and you give up but don't want to waste the shot? Well, I've muscled tar so many times, and yeah I have a lump on my arm from where an abscess used to be. But I've done it so many times. Just make sure you are NOT IMing dirty tar, with all the particles around in it. I refuse to do that shit anymore. Just be careful. But IMing isn't that bad, with tar, depending on the quality or batch it burn like a mother fucker or it can just feel like you're getting a saline injection. It really just all depends. But really, IVing is the best, just be patient. And make sure you rotate veins and rotate to clean unused rigs after trying to hit a few times and failing. That always helps. I'll usually only use a rig up to six times, and then put it in a new one. It helps a LOT. And when I say six times, I mean six pokes. I never reuse a needle after that unless I absolutely have to, and that is rare. Just be careful and smart about it.

dokomo
01-02-2011, 22:38
Just don't IM a shot with blood and tar in it. Say you were trying to hit a vein, have blood in it but never registered with a vein fully, and you give up but don't want to waste the shot? Well, I've muscled tar so many times, and yeah I have a lump on my arm from where an abscess used to be. But I've done it so many times. Just make sure you are NOT IMing dirty tar, with all the particles around in it. I refuse to do that shit anymore. Just be careful. But IMing isn't that bad, with tar, depending on the quality or batch it burn like a mother fucker or it can just feel like you're getting a saline injection. It really just all depends. But really, IVing is the best, just be patient. And make sure you rotate veins and rotate to clean unused rigs after trying to hit a few times and failing. That always helps. I'll usually only use a rig up to six times, and then put it in a new one. It helps a LOT. And when I say six times, I mean six pokes. I never reuse a needle after that unless I absolutely have to, and that is rare. Just be careful and smart about it.

Just so you know, re-using a needle 6 times isn't safe or smart.

You may have seen this picture around, but if not, this is what you're doing to your veins when not using a fresh needle each time:

http://melanotan.org/yabbfiles/Attachments/needle-deterioration.jpg

sappyfoo
01-02-2011, 22:42
I know that. In my experience it doesn't bother me. I only do six times max if I'm getting lower on rigs. But I usually don't even go that far. Its only when I'm having a lot of trouble and am low on needles. Otherwise I can usually hit a vein in the first or second try. Which is surprising for how long I've been doing this for.

dokomo
01-02-2011, 22:45
How would you expect it to "bother" you? Its essentially just creating a shredding/micro-shearing effect that causes scarring and tissue build up in your veins. Its really destructive and will leave you with little to no options for IVing eventually.

sappyfoo
09-09-2013, 09:00
Just so you know, re-using a needle 6 times isn't safe or smart.

You may have seen this picture around, but if not, this is what you're doing to your veins when not using a fresh needle each time:

http://melanotan.org/yabbfiles/Attachments/needle-deterioration.jpg


I think that just about every person who uses needles or has used needles knows this. But sometimes hitting is a complex ritual and luck isn't a very common attribute especially for newbies or people with very few to absolute zero good injection sites (absolutely not counting the jugular or femoral vein cause that's just absolutely stupidly dangerous to do on your own or to have done by someone who is not a professional despite the fact I've had people shoot me up in my neck plenty of times haha) but anyway sometimes (sometimes incredibly more than others) we have not so good of luck either depending on what luck itself depends on or depending on the condition of the venous system due to legal and/or illegal IV drug use frequency, gear condition (as in clean or reused rigs), injection skills, and finally the type of drug/purity/cuts in with it. Some people like myself had a shitty selection of good veins with lots of destroyed, disappeared, or damaged veins that do not or will not work. But I was usually pretty god damned good at hitting. In my own opinion it's a lot easier to hit someone else as long as your good at hitting yourself and or others then it is to hit oneself. I RARELY trusted another person to hit me but yeah there are so many variables in this (ANYWAY, sorry about the rambling I found 40 Mg's dextroamphetamine tablets and took em so that explains perfectly why I keep getting side tracked in this post) but the reason I would save cleans is because I predominately bought my supply with cash from the pharmacy and they're expensive especially at big owned chain pharmacies like rite aid or Walgreens and a 10 pack of cleans for $5 something is ridiculous (only ever found one chain of pharmacies that at the pharmacists discretion could sell insulin syringes at as little as 1 at a time for like 50 cents a piece) so ten wouldn't last long at all sometimes I'd get it on one poke and draw and sometimes I'd fuck up 5 rigs before even getting a teeny register (although missing was a rarity I did have an occasional habit of dulling rigs out so much it was too painful to reuse) but that's what the point of what I was saying was. If you're going to reuse the rig which every junkie I know has/does do so then attempt a disinfection/sterilization of it using extremely diluted bleach/ammonia water solution with HOT water and rinse extremely well and generally I would only save them if they were even worthy of doing so which is not always all that easy to determine the worth of it. Reusing needles isn't sterile at all but if you are OCD and/or can pretend to be then that is one thing you should be OCD about. But you know what the messed up part is about my rant about this? Toward the end I completely gave up on caring about shit being sterile. I have actually NEVER gotten an abscess that didn't heal up and go away on its own. With black tar you cook and boil the shit which is shown to be more close to sterile than other forms of heroin due to the high temps with the preparation to inject it and so therefore I rarely ever was worried about an abscess being or becoming a problem. And I'm a smart cookie. I often took antibiotics if it didn't start shrinking on its own or with plenty of hot water applications and it would always go away without problem. The one and only time I ever got an abscess that was problematic was from injecting meth. That shit is so dirty and such a crude and corrosive chemical that for one its so bad for you taken in any route (even at "therapeutic" doses, in my own damned opinion it is incredibly bad for you) and it causes infection at the injection site I'd say about 98% of the time unless medical grade which I don't think is even available for injection and if it is then the US or wherever else is just senseless. But that abscess was pretty bad and I had to take antibiotics four days before it even started to shrink a little. But in my experience with dope (heroin is dope to me) Black Tar is the more sterile form of heroin for injection discounting whatever it is cut with/used as a filler, etc. point of what I was saying is this: despite how clean I was toward the last 8 months I NEVER used an alcohol wipe (though I rarely did prior to that but I generally always had hand sanitizer I applied first if the thought came to mind) and I just got less and less careful (injecting black with lots of blood in it into my muscle, all the while never worried about an abscess forming cause it never did or reusing needles over and over and sometimes sit for hours poking trying to register a vein with a needle that has begun to dull more and more after each poke) because in my at the time 8 years of heroin addiction I never got an infection to worry about, and I probably wouldn't worry at all even if I was still using. And although I'm telling you all this I do not recommend it to anyone. The only reason why I'm so sure of myself is because I've always had an incredibly aggressive and very efficient immune system. I hardly ever got anything worse than a 2-3 day cold except for the 2 times in my life I ever got anything more than that and it was the flu. The most horrible flu. But like I said, always had a great immune system. I do know however that if I continued to use over the years that my immune system would start to (unless it already has started to) deteriorate. Anyway. I took probably 20 mg too much dextroamphetamine for my first dose in a few weeks. I'm done now! Haha gosh it usually doesnt affect me this strong. Ha wow this post is too much sorry!

Psychedelic Jay
09-09-2013, 09:14
Blow or plug your H next time.

You are risking quite a lot...

spinchick
11-09-2013, 06:59
I always used to use clean points, then I moved to a place that was considered a "closed county"....meaning you can't buy them w/o a script. So....I started using using and reusing them. We'd sharpen them on matchboxes. I know...pretty stupid. And trust, I pay for it now. Pretty much the only veins I can hit are in my neck, Sucks.