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Mantis28h
04-07-2008, 02:06
I'll get right to the point: I'm 24 years old and I'm an alcoholic. Daily drinker of 12-24 units per day. I'm at the point where my hands are noticeably shaking every day (people ask why all the time), and waking up without a little bit of a hangover is a distant memory. I want to know what it's like to detox at home. I've done the AA thing but it just didn't stick and now it's worse than ever.

What should I expect when I stop? I do have a script for .5 MG alprazolam 3x daily prn, but I am very hesitant to just stop since I've never had the shaking thing happen before and I'd like to avoid a seizure. The shaking has been persistant for 4 months now.

In your folks opinion, should I bite the bullet and go to a medical detox, or is this something I can do at home?

I'm just a bit concerned about my hands shaking like a Mexican space shuttle since it's a new symptom for me, and I'm wondering both why they do this and how bad it will suck when I stop boozing.

Thanks in advance... long time lurker but a n00b when it comes to post count. :)

Also, I just started a new job managing a bank so I was wondering if they need to give me time off to go to detox if I choose to. My Dr. will give the appropriate paperwork to my employer but I wanted to hear everyone else's advice first.

sonic
04-07-2008, 02:14
I think that the xanax will be clutch in helping you get past the physical and psychological parts of alcohol withdrawal. It should help with your tremor as well. It's probably going to be hardest for you to stop taking the xanax when you run out. Going from alcohol to benzos might not be too hard, but the transition from benzos to taking nothing is going to be the real challenge for you. Alcohol and benzos are both GABA agonists, but they do bind to different locations. Don't expect to feel like a million bucks, but you should be physically safe at least.
I've gone through alcohol withdrawal once before. I was drinking daily for about 6 months. It was really easy for me to quit. I just substituted my alcohol for weed and valium. It'll probably be harder on you since your tolerance was twice that of what I had, but I think you'll be okay since you have xanax to take 3x per day. You won't have to worry about seizures at least.

Edit: I edited your thread title for clarity so more people will know what it's about without having to open it.

Mantis28h
04-07-2008, 02:21
I think that the xanax will be clutch in helping you get past the physical and psychological parts of alcohol withdrawal. It should help with your tremor as well. It's probably going to be hardest for you to stop taking the xanax when you run out. Going from alcohol to benzos might not be too hard, but the transition from benzos to taking nothing is going to be the real challenge for you. Alcohol and benzos are both GABA agonists, but they do bind to different locations. Don't expect to feel like a million bucks, but you should be physically safe at least.
I've gone through alcohol withdrawal once before. I was drinking daily for about 6 months. It was really easy for me to quit. I just substituted my alcohol for weed and valium. It'll probably be harder on you since your tolerance was twice that of what I had, but I think you'll be okay since you have xanax to take 3x per day. You won't have to worry about seizures at least.

Edit: I edited your thread title for clarity so more people will know what it's about without having to open it.


Thx for the edit, I just have never had the tremors before and I'm wondering if this time is going to be worse than the last. I'm not planning on getting off the Xanax, and weed is always present in my drinking so weed without booze is going to be kinda weird. What if I just give up the drink and weed at the same time and stick with alprazolam? Does Xanax help with lessening my probability of a seizure?

burn out
04-07-2008, 02:27
when you say units do you mean the british measurement or the american "drink" which is .5 oz of pure ethanol?

as for why your hands are shaking, that is a sign of alcoholism. it's usually associated with withdrawal but i think it can happen to people even when they are drinking.

the xanax should help a lot with withdrawal symptoms and prevent seizures, so you could probably do it at home but i have never detoxed from alcohol before so i'm just speculating.

sonic
04-07-2008, 02:27
Yes, xanax will help prevent you from having a seizure. It's not the strongest benzo for preventing seizures though. Clonazepam, diazepam (valium), and other benzos work better. Your benzo addiction is probably more serious than your alcohol addiction. How long have you been taking xanax daily for? The bad thing about xanax is that it's short acting and it has a short half life, so if you aburptly stop taking it, it has the potential to cause serious withdrawal and seizures.

Personally I like to quit one thing at a time, but I have successfully kicked multiple drugs at once (temporarily at least). You could quit the weed at the same time, but it'll take more willpower. If you want to be off it bad enough then you can do it. I used to quit weed while going through opiate withdrawal because weed would just give me an anxiety attack almost every time when I tried to smoke while in w/d.

burn out
04-07-2008, 02:28
Thx for the edit, I just have never had the tremors before and I'm wondering if this time is going to be worse than the last. I'm not planning on getting off the Xanax, and weed is always present in my drinking so weed without booze is going to be kinda weird. What if I just give up the drink and weed at the same time and stick with alprazolam? Does Xanax help with lessening my probability of a seizure?


yes, one of the things benzos are prescribed for is precisely to prevent seizures (both in general and seizures related to alcohol withdrawal). a longer acting benzo would be better, but xanax will work fine as long as you make sure not to go too long between doses. 3 times a day should be enough.

phr
04-07-2008, 02:29
Does Xanax help with lessening my probability of a seizure?
Nah, it won't.


Get yourself a benzo that's an anticonvulsant. Clonazepam, diazepam, and lorazepam come to mind off the top of my head.


I don't know much about alcohol withdrawal. Do a search here, or use Google. I'm sure you could find a list of commonly prescribed meds to help you out.

Good luck.

Mantis28h
04-07-2008, 02:29
Yes, xanax will help prevent you from having a seizure. It's not the strongest benzo for preventing seizures though. Clonazepam, diazepam (valium), and other benzos work better. Your benzo addiction is probably more serious than your alcohol addiction. How long have you been taking xanax daily for? The bad thing about xanax is that it's short acting and it has a short half life, so if you aburptly stop taking it, it has the potential to cause serious withdrawal and seizures.

Personally I like to quit one thing at a time, but I have successfully kicked multiple drugs at once (temporarily at least). You could quit the weed at the same time, but it'll take more willpower. If you want to be off it bad enough then you can do it.


I've been on benzos for 9 months now. So pretty much as long as I have Xanax I will avoid any seizures?

Edit: saw the post ^^ so I'll retract my post.

Mantis28h
04-07-2008, 02:32
when you say units do you mean the british measurement or the american "drink" which is .5 oz of pure ethanol?

as for why your hands are shaking, that is a sign of alcoholism. it's usually associated with withdrawal but i think it can happen to people even when they are drinking.

the xanax should help a lot with withdrawal symptoms and prevent seizures, so you could probably do it at home but i have never detoxed from alcohol before so i'm just speculating.


My drink of choice is beer, so 12-24 beers a day. I'll do a bottle of vodka a day but I try to stay away from liquor unless I don't have any $$ for enough beer.

burn out
04-07-2008, 02:39
Nah, it won't.


Get yourself a benzo that's an anticonvulsant. Clonazepam, diazepam, and lorazepam come to mind off the top of my head.


I don't know much about alcohol withdrawal. Do a search here, or use Google. I'm sure you could find a list of commonly prescribed meds to help you out.

Good luck.

i think you're wrong here, i think all benzos have anticonvulsant properties so xanax would lessen to the likelihood of a seizure. the reason xanax isn't used as an anticonvulsant is probably simply due to its short half life and has nothing to do with it being a non effective anticonsulvant.

my question would be, since he's ALREADY been taking xanax, doesn't that mean he will already have a benzo tolerance and thus the xanax (or any benzo) won't really be replacing the alcohol. in other words, does he need to raise the dose of benzos hes taking in order for them to still be effective at relieving the symptoms of alcohol withdrawal?

phr
04-07-2008, 02:43
I was under the impression that Xanax isn't a very good anticonvulsant, and hardly used for such things.

I could certainly be wrong.


As for the tolerance question, I'm not sure how benzodiazepine tolerance affects their anticonvulsant properties.

burn out
04-07-2008, 02:48
I was under the impression that Xanax isn't a very good anticonvulsant, and hardly used for such things.

I could certainly be wrong.


As for the tolerance question, I'm not sure how benzodiazepine tolerance affects their anticonvulsant properties.


like i said, i think that's only because of the short half life. none of the benzos with a very short half life make good anticonvulsants because as they wear off you're seizure threshold is probably elevated. that doesn't mean they aren't effective while you're on them though.

can anyone correct me if i'm wrong?

Mantis28h
04-07-2008, 02:51
I don't have health insurance, but my Primary care doc is cool. Should I just call him and let him know what my plans are? I just don't want him to discontinue my benzo script if he knows I am drinking on it. I just want to avoid taking time off of work as well as the seizures I am fairly certain I will experience when I stop drinking. Cold turkey was going to be my M.O. but I want to make sure I don't die in the withdrawl stage. I live alone so if something bad happens I won't have another person to help me.

octoparrot
04-07-2008, 02:56
The last time i picked a patient up for transport back home from a regular hospital who was admitted for status post seizure 2nd to ETOH withdrawal, they had him on a benzo, lorazepam, and antabuse....not sure what the antabuse is chemically but im sure its to stop alchohol related w/d symptoms. I would try and do this on your own, yet keep in mind.....when its too late to reach for a phone is there gonna be anybody there to call 911 for you if u need it???

burn out
04-07-2008, 02:56
that's a bit of a problem. if he doesn't know you're an alcoholic and you suddenly tell him you're so much of an alcoholic that you're afraid you're going to have seizures from the withdrawal, he may be hesitant to prescribe you more benzos. he will also almost certainly want to see you before prescribing anything. i highly doubt he will say "no problem man, i'll just call in double your dose of benzos and let you detox by yourself".

if you insist on doing it by yourself, maybe your best bet is to ask for a dosage increase of your xanax without mentioning alcohol. tell him you're tolerance has risen or youre going through something stressful and you really need a higher dosage, for at least a little while. that's if you can't afford to see him and do things the proper way.

phr
04-07-2008, 02:58
like i said, i think that's only because of the short half life. none of the benzos with a very short half life make good anticonvulsants because as they wear off you're seizure threshold is probably elevated. that doesn't mean they aren't effective while you're on them though.

can anyone correct me if i'm wrong?
I don't think the half life is why. Its half life is similar to Ativan's, which is commonly used as an anticonvulsant. Especially IV Ativan in a hospital.

burn out
04-07-2008, 03:00
The last time i picked a patient up for transport back home from a regular hospital who was admitted for status post seizure 2nd to ETOH withdrawal, they had him on a benzo, lorazepam, and antabuse....not sure what the antabuse is chemically but im sure its to stop alchohol related w/d symptoms. I would try and do this on your own, yet keep in mind.....when its too late to reach for a phone is there gonna be anybody there to call 911 for you if u need it???


antabuse has nothing to do with stopping alcohol related wd symptoms. all it does is react with alcohol to make the person extremely sick so they won't be able to enjoy drinking on it and thus they won't be tempted to drink.

octoparrot
04-07-2008, 03:01
Also, do some research on the DT's (dellerium tremens) which are what your shaking is... your not the only one with a problem like this so im sure there;s abundant self-detox info that can SAFELY be conducted outside of a medical facility.

If you live alone, have a friend stay with you man....seriously. If something happens whats next?

burn out
04-07-2008, 03:02
I don't think the half life is why. Its half life is similar to Ativan's, which is commonly used as an anticonvulsant. Especially IV Ativan in a hospital.

isn't that simply because it works better IV? i really don't know, i'd like to see some sources.

also, lots of times what they use medically isn't necessarily the most effective thing. it's just the "standard" treatment.

octoparrot
04-07-2008, 03:03
antabuse has nothing to do with stopping alcohol related wd symptoms. all it does is react with alcohol to make the person extremely sick so they won't be able to enjoy drinking on it and thus they won't be tempted to drink.


OK, thats good to know...well hopefully his willpower is enough to get him thru the detox period safely, then if needed he can consider it along with some AA

phr
04-07-2008, 03:07
Alprazolam could be iv'ed as well.


Alright though, I'm gonna stop debating this. Hopefully someone else will chime in. :|

Mantis28h
04-07-2008, 03:10
Also, do some research on the DT's (dellerium tremens) which are what your shaking is... your not the only one with a problem like this so im sure there;s abundant self-detox info that can SAFELY be conducted outside of a medical facility.

If you live alone, have a friend stay with you man....seriously. If something happens whats next?


Can a 24 year old experience DT's?

burn out
04-07-2008, 03:15
Can a 24 year old experience DT's?


of course. it all depends on how much and for how long you've been drinking. i had a friend who was an alcoholic, he had DTs after quitting from one year of drinking all day every day. i think he was about 24 when it happened too.

cba
04-07-2008, 03:18
I don't think the half life is why. Its half life is similar to Ativan's, which is commonly used as an anticonvulsant. Especially IV Ativan in a hospital.

Has anyone seen House.. "he's seizing! IV Lorazepam, stat!"

IMO, quit the xannies and keep drinking.

burn out
04-07-2008, 03:22
Alprazolam could be iv'ed as well.


Alright though, I'm gonna stop debating this. Hopefully someone else will chime in. :|


i thought there was a separate reason they didn't use it IV though, i know when people go to the hospital and are having a severe anxiety attack they are generally given IV lorazepam, not alprazolam.

anyway, i did a search and alrpazolam definitely has anticonvulsant properties. however, i couldn't find anything directly comparing it to other benzos in that regard though. anyway, i'm not trying to argue, i just want to know the answer because first of all it's very relevant to this guy's question and secondly i have access to both alprazolam and clonazepam and i always assumed both would work about equally well as anticonvulsants assuming that the alprazolam was re-administered quickly enough. if this is not the case, i'd like to know so i can save some clonazepam specifically to use as an anticonvulsant should the need arise.

burn out
04-07-2008, 03:25
Has anyone seen House.. "he's seizing! IV Lorazepam, stat!"

IMO, quit the xannies and keep drinking.


why? that's horrible advice in my opinion. drinking 12-24 beers a day is way more harmful than taking 1.5 mg of xanax a day. drinking that much can kill you in a few years (plus it messes up your life a lot more too, driving, hangovers, blackouts, etc). xanax on the other hand, many people take their entire lives without it killing them. secondly, alcohol doesn't prevent seizures from benzo withdrawal even though benzos prevent seizures from alcohol withdrawal.

paranoid android
04-07-2008, 03:33
Why not just ask your doctor for a different benzo? Hell most doctors (smart ones anyway) would rather have you on a longer acting benzo such as clonazepam or diazepam. Or even go for lorazepam thats what they use during emergencies for seizures.

Spurs_1882
04-07-2008, 03:37
I have been through alcohol withdrawal a couple of times so hopefully I can answer a few of your questions.

First of all, your body is already adapted to the presence of the Xanax, so it won't be sufficient to make it an easy ride. Whether or not it will be efficient in stopping seizures, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't count on it, because, like I say, your body is already 'used' to you taking Xanax. Seizures, shaking, DTs occur because you are disrupting your brain's new equilibrium; in short your brain is used to the constant present of alcohol so there is no need for it to produce the chemicals or whatever it is which keeps your nervous system from reaching a state of overexcitation. The same goes for benzos. So take the drugs away and your nervous system disintegrates.

The standard method to deal with this is to replace alcohol with a long acting benzodiazepine. I think diazepam would be your preferred choice. The first day of withdrawal, you take enough to prevent extreme agitation, seizures and hallucinations, then you taper off.

If you have no way of getting any diazepam, perhaps you should seek medical help. It works better than Xanax; because of its long half life it's easy to taper off. However, as others have said, it might impair you against getting benzoss or other drugs in the future if you tell your doctor about this. It's your call. You will definitely need more benzos than you are currently using, otherwise it will be a very rough ride. One option is to tell your doctor you've lost your xanax, then at least you will have more. But then you will have the problem of finishing your script too early, so it's probably best (and safest) just to come clean.

Another safe way to detox is to taper off the alcohol itself. You could try having three beers less each day. This is hard to do, however; it requires a lot of willpower. If you start having hallucinations, then you know you're in trouble and you can call the ambulance, and in the meantime have a couple of shots/beers.

Good luck

burn out
04-07-2008, 03:37
Why not just ask your doctor for a different benzo? Hell most doctors (smart ones anyway) would rather have you on a longer acting benzo such as clonazepam or diazepam. Or even go for lorazepam thats what they use during emergencies for seizures.


that's what i think he should do, but i also think he should ask for a dosage increase because i don't know if having a benzo tolerance means that you need to take more to prevent alcohol withdrawal related seizures, but it makes sense that it would. if he asks his doctor to both switch benzos AND increase the dose, the doctor might want to see him or at least be more suspicious of his motives.

it's a lot easier to call your doctor and say "this xanax isn't working as well anymore, would it be possible for you to increase the dose a bit and see if that works"? but if you ask to switch benzos and increase the dose the doctor will probably say "why don't you see how you react to the new benzo first before increasing the dose".

octoparrot
04-07-2008, 03:47
This has turned into a benzo discussion, huh? The only thing i can say about IV Lorazepam is it is very thick and must be mixed prior to IV'ing....thats really it...in MA it's protocol to use either Valium or Ativan for SZ and ROA is IM/IV/SC/IO

To the OP: Have a friend available and ready to call 911 incase something happens. Safety first.

Unknown
04-07-2008, 06:21
Um, isn't possible to die from ETOH withdrawals??? I would seek medical attention or ask your doctor.

Fiend'n
04-07-2008, 07:06
alcohol with drawl can be pretty bad, my 73 year old grandpa almost died from it. Now he has to stay in a nursing home for while cause he cant walk but he is slowly gaining his strength back.(he is 73 though why he got so bad)

sonnyluv
04-07-2008, 13:43
If you are going to WD from alcohol and a benzo (not clear, are you already taking the benzo and want to stop from that as well, or have you been prescribed the benzo for withdrawal), you need to be under medical attention.
The risk of seizures is strongly present in your condition and your dosage of Xanax would need to be greatly increased to raise your seizure threshold. Xanax is not the ideal drug for this situation anyway, something more along the lines of librium, heck even phenytoin (dilantin) IV might work.

Seizures are a medical emergency due to risk of respiratory complications and heart arrythmia is common during alcohol withdrawl. You absolutely need to be honest with your MD to get the appropriate care and this will get you thru this experience with as little damage/pain as possible.

Octoparrot: Antabuse, btw, is a drug that makes you quite sick when taken with alcohol and is not meant to be taken with benzo's.

And again BL'rs: When somebody posts about a topic you haven't the slightest clue about don't 1) derail the topic and get a boner for which benzo got you most high and you can confirm it cuz you saw it on house and 2) don't post a single fucking thing if you are making this shit up as you go.
The consistnecy of IV ativan isn't anybodies problem here.

rolls
04-07-2008, 15:51
Have you considered just tapering off your alcohol usage instead of going cold turkey? I'd imagine this would be a lot easier on your body, mentally it might be a bit more difficult though.

LivingOnValium
04-07-2008, 18:13
You need to be hospitalised for benzo detox dude. Do it as soon as you can please.

dankstersauce
04-07-2008, 20:06
The thing about tapering (for an alcoholic) is that after you have a few drinks, you catch a buzz and say to yourself "hey why not one more" a few hours later all your alcohol is gone and you think "well I'll start to taper tomorrow..."

honestly if i was in your situation i'd probably end up just becoming a benzo addict.

I think a 5 day detox would be the easiest way to go. I know most bluelighters aren't fans of rehabs but it's really not that bad. IMO 5 day detoxes are basically the easiest way to deal with the psychical and mental aspects of withdrawals. They'll give you whatever drugs they can to make you feel decent. And since you're confined to the detox facility it makes it nearly impossible to walk down the street and pick up a bottle of beer which IME kills some of the mental aspects of withdrawal (even if it's only for 5 days).

and if you tell the detox you've been taking xanax they probably won't make you go cold turkey from the xanax and alcohol at the same time. So this way you can stay on the benzos without abusing them and hopefully get off the alcohol.

detoxes aren't that bad, it's like a 5 day vacation where you have groups, smoke cigarettes, watch tv and eat hospital food all the while joking and bullshitting with other fuck-ups. It's boring but it is stress free and nice to get away from your routine. it's worth a shot if you seriously want to quit.

babygetoboy
04-07-2008, 22:09
Yes, please at least let the doctor know what you are doing. Alchohol and benzo withdrawal are horrendous and can be deadly. Please either do a medical detox or at least tell your General Practitioner and tell him what your doing so he can advise you.

doc watson
05-07-2008, 04:36
All this advice about the use of benzos to ease the pain of the detox is not good. I am glad you are recognizing your problem early and want to stop. I wasn't so lucky....

I am 28 and was a heavy drinker since I was around 20. I started experiencing some problems when I was 27 that I should have read as warning signs to slow down, such as: shakes, decreased appetite, stomach cramps, cold sweats. I never really got hangovers, but I was having those problems on and off for about a year. One day I got very sick, ccnstant puking, and the most incredible intense stomach pain I have ever experienced. I went to the emergency room that night, and by this time I could hardly stay conscious from the pain. The doctor gave me 2mg of dilaudid; that did nothing, he gave me 2 more, nothing, 2 more, nothing, 2 more, nothing.(I have a very high tolerance for pain and drugs) finally he gave me ativan and I passed out. The doctors didn't know what was wrong at first, they suspected an ulcer or kidney stones, they even told my mother that I would probably be discharged. Then the CAT scan results came in.... Necrotized Pancreatitis!! The chief of surgery told my mother that this was the worst case they had ever seen.

*For those of you unfamiliar with the Pancreas, it produces digestive enzymes and hormones, as well as insulin. Pancreatitis produces toxic enzymes that attack major organs like the liver and kidneys eventually causing complete organ failure.
Over 80% of Pancreatitis is alcohol related.*

Now here is the icing on the cake... Aside from the pancreatitis, I began to detox off alcohol! This presented a serious problem for the doctors, because my fever went to 105.7, and started to have seizures. I fell into a coma, my stomach was triple its normal size, and I was dying fast. My family was told that unless I was operated on I would die in less than 72 hours, and because of the severity of the condition coupled with the fever they said my chances of survival were around 10%. Due to such negative odds no doctor was willing to operate; my mother then went to the hospital administrator and pleaded for my life basically and begged them to operate. Finally one surgeon agreed to operate..Dr. IYER.. I'll never forget that name. With the odds at less than 10% he saved my life.

Two months later I woke up from the coma with no idea what happened, the last thing I remembered was being in the ER screaming at the doctor for more pain meds. All my family from all over the country were in the room; I had a beard. (That freaked me out the most) I couldn't talk because they had to put a trach tube in my throat; I tried writing on a pad but nothing made sense because I had to regain my motor functions; I lost over 60 pounds; My hair fell out because of all the antibiotics; and obviously I was in severe pain because of the surgery obviously.

Its been six months since I'm home from the hospital(I was like a celebrity there "The miracle kid) and now I feel like I'm starting my life all over again. I have to completely change careers,(I was a consultant to new restaurants designing beverage programs and training bartenders; I created original cocktail recipes for moet hennessy's marketing firm.

I know it was a long story, but to anyone out there that is a heavy drinker and mixes pills every once and a while, eventually it will catch up to you. When you start feeling things changing with your body DO NOT IGNORE the symptoms!!!
I kept blowing it off and it almost killed me.

I've been around the block with just about everything and am more than willing to help anyone out in any way I can with advice or just an opinion.

"Either get busy living or get busy dying"

brutus
05-07-2008, 04:53
^ That reminds me of what happened to myself around Halloween last year. My doctor later told me that I she wouldn't have bet $10 dollars that I would have lived and even if I did, I would be on dialysis and get a liver transplant. I overdosed and went a few minutes without oxygen to my body, I was in cardiac and respiratory arrest by the time I got into the hospital. I remember waking up just like you described from the coma, except it was only for two days and trying to talk but I had that tube down my throat and I had to write on a dry erase board. The first thing I asked was if I was dying and when my family read it, they just started to cry hysterically. I'm only 18 by the way. There is a lot more to that story, I just don't feel like typing it all out, nor thinking about it. I think about it all the fucking time though and that was just over 8 months ago.

staticmouth
05-07-2008, 05:03
wow, good luck man

Kannisto
05-07-2008, 05:19
i suggest clonidine for the withdrawal. its a blood pressure medication that is sometimes prescribed for alcohol withdrawal. by lowering your blood pressure it eliminates some of the symptoms and also relaxs you and helps you sleep. its nearly as effective as benzos and you also dont have to worry about and withdrawals when you come off it. trust me when i say benzo withdrawal is worse then alcohol withdrawal and you should avoid it if you can. you dont want to replace one addiction with another. obviously alcohol is much worse for your body then benzos though.

just my 2 cents...

burn out
05-07-2008, 05:29
i suggest clonidine for the withdrawal. its a blood pressure medication that is sometimes prescribed for alcohol withdrawal. by lowering your blood pressure it eliminates some of the symptoms and also relaxs you and helps you sleep. its nearly as effective as benzos and you also dont have to worry about and withdrawals when you come off it. trust me when i say youre worst off with a benzo addiction then an alcohol addiction.

just my 2 cents...

can someone please explain to me how taking 1.5 mg of xanax a day is worse than drinking 24 beers a day?

Kannisto
05-07-2008, 05:39
can someone please explain to me how taking 1.5 mg of xanax a day is worse than drinking 24 beers a day?
im sorry i ment to say benzo withdrawal is worse then alcohol withdrawal. obviously alcohol is much worse for your body then benzos. i edited my post and i apologize for the misunderstanding.

alicat72
05-07-2008, 05:42
i must chime in and say.....please do not attempt this on your own....i had a friend who was drinking about 8 units/day for many many years and he decided to check into rehab....well....they had to give him 80mgs of valium/day to keep him from having seizures....and guess what?? he still had several!!!! please get some help because you could be risking your life otherwise....

currently, my friend is clean and sober 1 and half years!

good luck!!!!

prosp
05-07-2008, 09:45
wow doc wat, that's an incredible story. I'm speechless I wish you well. <<<<hug>>>>

To the OP, I would tell my doc about the addiction, take his advise into consideration. If you go it alone, make sure you have someone there on Guard. I never agree with going cold turkey except for extreme cases, I'd try a longer half life benzo temporarily to avoid seizures. Be well.

phr
06-07-2008, 01:31
And some people think opiate wd's are bad...


(Not that they're not, but compared to alcohol, benzo's...)

TheLoveBandit
06-07-2009, 18:31
w/d bump save

NoOnesHome
02-10-2010, 22:04
when you say units do you mean the british measurement or the american "drink" which is .5 oz of pure ethanol?

as for why your hands are shaking, that is a sign of alcoholism. it's usually associated with withdrawal but i think it can happen to people even when they are drinking.

the xanax should help a lot with withdrawal symptoms and prevent seizures, so you could probably do it at home but i have never detoxed from alcohol before so i'm just speculating.

Shaking hands is a sure sign of withdrawal.

Alcohol enhances the effect of GABA on GABA-A neuroreceptors, resulting in decreased overall brain

excitability. Chronic exposure to alcohol results in a compensatory decrease of GABA-A neuroreceptor (down-

regulation = less sensitive) response to GABA, evidenced by increasing tolerance of the effects of alcohol.
Alcohol inhibits NMDA neuroreceptors, and chronic alcohol exposure results in up-regulation (more sensitive)

of these receptors. Abrupt cessation of alcohol exposure results in brain hyperexcitability, because receptors

previously inhibited by alcohol are no longer inhibited And receptors previously enhanced by alcohol are no

longer enhanced. Brain hyperexcitability manifests clinically as anxiety, irritability, agitation, and

tremors(shakes). Severe manifestations include alcohol withdrawal seizures, delirium tremens, and a possiblity

of death.

It's a seesaw. when it's level your fine. when it's pushed down to the left your drunk. When it's pushed down to the right your anxious, irritable, agitated, and you have tremors(shakes).

You said you just recently started to get shakes in the morning, quit now! It only gets worse my friend. HTH.

old thread. sorrry. Might help someone?

mnm2007
14-08-2013, 04:42
Im no expert by any means. Ive been a heavy drinker for 6 years. Im 24 years old. Ive quit for short periods of time, ive experienced withdrawal symptoms all the way down to convulsing in the middle of the night on one occasion just after a few hours of sobriety. I was prescribed xanax on a recent attempt to stop drinking but ended up not taking them and just slowed the drinking down. After the passed few days of very intense drinking I decided to stop. I had half a bottle of wine yesterday to ease the pain. Experienced night sweats, shakes and crazy dreams. Ive been sober 30 hours or more now. Ive been exhausted all day, and the shakes that ill normally get every day, along with rapid heart beat and annoying headache started a few hours ago. Took only .25 mg xanax my hands are steady, my heart rate is normal and im completely relaxed. As long as your body isnt freaking out youre not going to have a seizure from what I understand. Do yourself a favor and take a xanax. Its way better than trying to tough it out.