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TheLoveBandit
03-06-2008, 16:27
This is intended to provide discussion for the 'Heads Up' ANNOUNCEMENT (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=6064725) as well as feedback on where the members would like to see the site going in the future.


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As much as we remain a non-democracy, the fact remains we want everyone's input in helping us decide the best direction for the site going forward. At this point, I see no reason to limit our discussion, so I'd say anything goes (add forums, kill forums, restrict member access, perks for consideration with donations, color scheme changes, whatever - the sky is the limit, then we'll filter out what is or is not feasible). I would, however, ask that any discussion of forum changes not be a rehash of what exists (link to an existing thread, bump that one back into consideration, etc, but don't bury this discussion with comments from a thread that already exists ... mainly I'm thinking the OD possible split and the Arts discussions from SO). Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, do not take anyone's suggestions as an attack (and try not to make suggestions that come out that way) - this is about evaluating our site and helping move it towards improvement, and understanding we all have different ideas of what 'better' is...so let's hear the ideas and the sr staff will have more than our simple minds to work with in planning our migration and direction. Thanks.

delta_9
03-06-2008, 16:39
Hey good idea TLB :) you da man

I would like to be able to edit my posts in LD once they've been approved by a mod.
Also, letting regular members make polls would be nice too...I dunno if this has been discussed before so if it has sorry.
Obviously if these things were abused then you could retract the, but I for one would use them responsibly and it couldn't hurt to try it out IMO :\
lol I'll try to think of other stuff later but that's all I got for now. ;)

Slay
03-06-2008, 23:13
is it possible to make more styles like interpol? it would be way too awesome if we can choose more than one style:)
(bring back the old style!!!!!!!!!! i miss it:D)

alasdairm
03-06-2008, 23:23
^ you know you can use the interpol style anytime you like? bottom left of this page...

alasdair

Slay
03-06-2008, 23:30
i know but it would be nice if there'd be more styles:) i'm not saying there should be tons of different themes though, just a few more:D

swilow
04-06-2008, 02:05
Anyone have any thoughts about the Music forums, how they could be arranged? I'm all ears, except for the rest of my standard human anatomy :)

MazDan
04-06-2008, 02:28
Also, letting regular members make polls would be nice too...I dunno if this has been discussed before so if it has sorry.


This shouldnt be a problem now.

All you have to do is ask and unless there is a very good reason, then it will be provided.

If you think about it, its better the way it is because you dont have to do the work.........lol

cletus
04-06-2008, 03:13
You could maybe allow the changing your user name & keeping your post count via a set monetary contribution. This in itself could help the donations get a boost. Obviously nothing too ridiculously expensive, but it's worth charging for the privilege.

My tuppence spent......

ClubbinGuido
04-06-2008, 03:31
is it possible to make more styles like interpol? it would be way too awesome if we can choose more than one style:)
(bring back the old style!!!!!!!!!! i miss it:D)

More themes would be nice. I mean, its kind of a silly thing to ask for but it would be cool to be able to switch it up from time.

L2R
04-06-2008, 07:55
could there be a staff rating system, so that members can anonymously rate staff, ideally with a rating that can be adjusted over time
???

ClubbinGuido
04-06-2008, 12:15
^ In b4 Lefty's rating is over 9000.

Also word filters in The Lounge would be fun.

swilow
04-06-2008, 14:07
You could maybe allow the changing your user name & keeping your post count via a set monetary contribution. This in itself could help the donations get a boost. Obviously nothing too ridiculously expensive, but it's worth charging for the privilege.

My tuppence spent......

Spent well, I think, thats a pretty good idea.

tambourine-man
04-06-2008, 14:18
You could maybe allow the changing your user name & keeping your post count via a set monetary contribution. This in itself could help the donations get a boost. Obviously nothing too ridiculously expensive, but it's worth charging for the privilege.

My tuppence spent......
Yeah, that is a good idea IMO. It'd be a relatively small burden with the potential to generate a small pool of additional funds.

I think there might be an issue over those present/ex-staff who have already changed their name on a "one-time only" thing. But I think there's scope to negotiate that. Maybe ex-staff are allocated one single free name change. After that, all your monies are belong to us.

hoptis
04-06-2008, 15:40
What sort of cost do people think would be appropriate for a name change?

I'm all for ideas like this, though it's more a funding issue but it's a relatively easy thing to do for an admin and it's a good, quick way to bring funds in.

ClubbinGuido
04-06-2008, 22:56
I would pay for a name change. Just for the hell of it. I wouldn't mind pissing away 10 bucks a pop just to fuck around with people from time to time with a new name.

Rogue Robot
04-06-2008, 23:03
What sort of cost do people think would be appropriate for a name change?

I'm all for ideas like this, though it's more a funding issue but it's a relatively easy thing to do for an admin and it's a good, quick way to bring funds in.

I would say $5 or $10. I would say make it so this could only be done once, but if people like CG want to keep giving up $10 to change their name, it's not for me to decide how one should spend their money.

Also, I am not familiar with how the gallery is set up, such as there being an upload/space limit. But, if there is, maybe offer upgrades for a small fee, as well?

delta_9
04-06-2008, 23:11
how much would it cost to be an admin? ;)

ClubbinGuido
05-06-2008, 00:12
how much would it cost to be an admin? ;)

Money is worthless in that case. You have to sell your body.

delta_9
05-06-2008, 01:22
well, make me an offer then :D

brutus
05-06-2008, 01:32
I say restrict newer members from posting in OD and only allow them to post in BDD.

felix
05-06-2008, 03:34
What sort of cost do people think would be appropriate for a name change?

I'm all for ideas like this, though it's more a funding issue but it's a relatively easy thing to do for an admin and it's a good, quick way to bring funds in.
this is definitely a good idea. at least $10, then we'll know they're serious about it. ;)

i was actually going to suggest £10 (nearly $20).

also - related reading:

New Post Icons for the next Bluelight! (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=380079)

please contribute!

ClubbinGuido
05-06-2008, 04:14
I can't wait to change my name to Finder Jr. or felixdapoof. Money well spent.

Slay
05-06-2008, 11:29
$10 is so cheap for a username change. it should be $50 at least, srsly
(i dunno other countries but where i live $10 is two packs of marlboro or a big mac menu)

felix
05-06-2008, 11:52
indeed.

any more ideas or comments about the rest of the site?
remember this thread (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=6064725) is the foundation for this discussion.

TheLoveBandit
05-06-2008, 17:46
For those too lazy to follow a link :|


The admins thought we ought to keep you guys aware of what's going on, and more importantly what's coming up. However, as this is a volunteer site, and even the admins are working on a volunteer basis, things are done at a pace where people have the time and interest, so not everything dreamed of can easily become a reality :\

So, where are we now? What have we done in the past year? What evil plans for world domination do we have on drawing board? And how can we possibly hope to get things done in a timely fashion? To start, we've added more people to the smod positions and asked for them to help out in the forums, then extended an explanation in SUPPORT to help clarify the role for members and staff. Next, we're posting this recap and heads up - so you are aware, and invited to help wherever you can :) We'll put a thread in SUPPORT (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=6064718) for your feedback on this and any other suggestions you might have for us going forward.



I. Global Fit
A. Research and Studies
- DONE! We have opened up our DRUG STUDIES forum. Your help on this is invaluable. We hope, over time, to increase the relationship between scientists and end users, for everyone's benefit.


B. Relationships with other sites
- Other than existing relationships between our mods and other sites, we haven't put the time into improving the status quo. Our thanks to those already making the effort on their own, but we still want to do this as a SITE, more than as individuals. We'll start with PR and explicitly defining our relationship with them. We still have hopes of improved relationships with other sites and encourage those of you who visit other sites besides BL to keep track of good ones to work with (erowid, etc). Realistically with our other projects this may not get touched until late 2008, but we're planting the seeds now with you.


C. Advertising
- We've considered working with google ads, banner trading with our sister sites, etc. And while we are still in the idea stage with limited resources, it is on our list of things we'd like to do.



II. Technical and Engineering

The next major upgrade of our site software has been released, and the sr. staff have started working on a practice site. We're exploring what new features may become available, and which of those make sense to implement on our site.

A. Review header and footer links in general
- Not just the BLUA, but our current layout, our practices with forums, etc. Right now the site has a hodge-podge of what each forum has atop their threads. The idea of posting DS "Current Studies" up there has brought to light the need to investigate how the site overall presents its forum headers. We're looking for a bit more consistency, and a way that best serves the public.


B. Updated WARNING list
- DONE! We have created new and better offenses to choose from. One of the additions was the blanket "BLUA Violation" which is the default right now, this should help us some in conveying to the member what went wrong, but we encourage you to put a little thought into that when issuing a WARNING, rather than just leaving it to whatever the default is. We've had confused, and even irate, members who didn't argue they deserved a WARNING but what WARNING was issued. We've put the effort in to clarify this with better choices, please use them. Also, as the Soup Nazi is the one sending out the notice, you are encouraged to put your name at the bottom of your comments so the member knows exactly WHO it was that warned them, thank you.


C. Custom vB codes
- DONE! While we have made a few, the long term vision is not to create a bunch of code that has to be rewritten every time the site gets upgraded. forgotten made some, which are all visible via the "Posting Rules" link down at the lower left of your window. Click on the "vB code" link to get a full listing. You already know about the "yt" under discussion here in TPH. You may also find use for the "search" when dealing with UTFSE opportunities for members ;) The functions are there - use them as you will.



III. Presentation


A. Front page
- While the contest fizzled (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=295940), the concept got kicked around SO a bit longer and isn't dead. We may just hold off and incorporate a new splash page with the site upgrade, then allow for members to offer replacements to keep it fresh and interesting.


B. Gallery content and visibility
- DONE! The dicksizing in the GALLERY has been minimized, and the random (regrettable) pics have been eliminated from the front page. Yay, team! :)


C. Possible restricted access/visibility of forums (Lounge?)
- After several discussions, we've decided we don't want to hide any of our forums from lurkers and n00bs, since they need to see all we are when deciding to join and participate. However, with the way newer members have been treated at times in some forums (the LOUNGE in particular) we've decided to prevent them from posting in that forum. This has the intended effect of preventing someone from stumbling into an ass rape, and makes GLers earn their BLer badge before being able to participate in the melee. The added bonus effect is it ought to cut down on the desire of members to create an alias specifically for LOUNGE trolling purposes. We'll also acknowledge that the much maligned LOUNGE forum has been improved over time in this regard, but we've decided to try out this restricted access for a bit and see how it works for us. Anyone can read, only BLers can post to that forum. [EDIT - There are currently NO forums blocked to Glers, this was a suggestion for discussion and is not currently in effect!]


D. Policy
- Member friendly campaign - less hostile, more informative when closing threads, etc. Yeah, we covered it within the staff forum awhile back, and many of the mods you took it to heart. But with the changeover of staff we've had in the past months it would serve us well to both remind everyone of this concept and to ensure everyone works for the best interest of the site. Keep in mind, even when you participate in discussions as a member, you wear the staff badge and are viewed as representing the STAFF, help us keep member respect and that ever helpful image we've got ;) Also, for past staff, we've made a special usergroup of 'Bluelight Crew', along with a public notice in SUPPORT regarding the name changes and the idea of special titles for ex-staff (who ask for it). (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=365383)


E. Wiki schtuff (including handbooks)
- We're working on a way to incorporate a wiki for the site to hold our FAQs and member guides (for example the GreenlighterGuide). The intent is to improve staff tools now, but later to extend this for public use.


F. Smod Role
- DONE! We've added a lot of superb mods into this position and they've already made an impact on the site operations. Part of what they've been tasked with is to outline the role (updated definition in the Greenlighter Guide) so all the mods and members know what to expect with a smod.


G. Bridge the forums
- There is an effort to bridge the forums at the member level, to encourage more cross-forum interaction and get members spreading their wings to explore more parts of our site. A simple start to this would be travelling threads. For example, a GBL thread could spend a week each in EADD, AusDD, NADD, and the related FOCUS and DRUG forums. Likewise on the social side, a 'Pic from your window' could visit EADD, AusSoc, NAS, SO, etc.


= = = = = = = = = =

As much as we remain a non-democracy, the fact remains we want everyone's input in helping us decide the best direction for the site going forward. Above is what's cooking, and we wanted to get your feedback. In part, we were trying to show what's been done to date (not just sitting on our asses), but a bigger part is wanting to make sure the everyone is aware of where the site is heading, what plans are in store and where they might be able to help. Any comments or suggestions you might have would be very welcome in the Heads Up and Member Feedback (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=6064718) in SUPPORT.

cletus
05-06-2008, 23:20
What sort of cost do people think would be appropriate for a name change?

I'm all for ideas like this, though it's more a funding issue but it's a relatively easy thing to do for an admin and it's a good, quick way to bring funds in.

Me? I'd happily pay around $50 dollars for a name change. You want it to be treated in a way that only serious requests are being made, because some poor admin will end up forever changing names for little return.

On the other hand, you may want to lower the price, thus encouraging a lot more people to pay.

caff
08-06-2008, 13:38
If advertising ever appears on the site, it would be nice if it could be removed for those who donate. Ads piss me off more than anything and it would seriously put me off coming here.

Doooofus
08-06-2008, 16:17
I think the paying for a name change is a great idea - however maybe there should be a name history box in the user profile to make it easier to keep track of who is who. I think $20 is a good middle ground - its enough so that its available to everyone and its a decent amount that people would probably consider donating anyway.

ClubbinGuido
10-06-2008, 04:33
Forum bans. If someone is a total fucktard in OD for example but chill eslewhere, they can be banned from that forum specifically for however long moderators deem fit.

SA
10-06-2008, 04:41
Although forum rules (especially when it comes to all-out fuckery) are global, the proposition is not without merit, CG. I have to admit that it is something which has been brought to the table and discussed in the past. Whether someone who messes up their chances in one state should be banned from the entire country is something I believe we will likely discuss in the future. I would strongly suggest, however, that members with the disposition in question not bank on that possibility as being instituted as the norm, with respect to their current behaviour. Let's play nice... everywhere! Thanks. :)

ClubbinGuido
10-06-2008, 08:27
lol as you wish

ClubbinGuido
10-06-2008, 08:40
Maybe we can have awareness months for certain drugs. For example June would be Opiate Awareness Month and all the drug focus forums would have a thread or two stickied at the top that focused on specifically on opiates.

Rogue Robot
10-06-2008, 08:41
i like that idea, a lot, actually.

alasdairm
10-06-2008, 09:43
i like your "...of the month idea" cg.

i totally dislike your suggestion of forum-specific bans. as somebody wise recently said "if they can't behave in some of our rooms, they won't be welcome in our house". i totally agree.

alasdair

UnSquare
10-06-2008, 17:01
Yes peeps
I reckon on this one Capt'n-


- as I is still eggettin' rapids.

#...


# C. Possible restricted access/visibility of forums (Lounge?)
- After several discussions,
we've decided we don't want to hide any of our forums
from lurkers
and n00bs,
since they need to see
all we
are when deciding to join and participate.

However,
with the way newer members have been treated
at times
in some forums
(the LOUNGE in particular)
we've decided to prevent them from posting in that forum.

This has the intended effect
of preventing someone from stumbling into an ass rape,
and makes GLers
earn their BLer badge
before being able to participate in the males.

The added bonus effect is it ought to cut down on the desire
of members
to create an alias(aliiii -ed.)
specifically for LOUNGE trolling purposes.

We'll also acknowledge that
the much maligned LOUNGE forum
has been improved over time in this regard,
but we've decided to try out this restricted access for a bit and
see how it works for us.

Anyone can read,
only BLers can post to that forum. [EDIT - There are currently NO forums blocked to Glers, this was a suggestion for discussion and is not currently in effect!]


^
http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/spezial/jasons_smilie/thumbsup.gif

&THANKSTOALLSTAFF/CREW...
PEACE
UnS
:)

Rogue Robot
10-06-2008, 18:47
i like your "...of the month idea" cg.

alasdair

alasdair, do you think this should or would be separate from the featured forums that we have in nmi?

alasdairm
10-06-2008, 19:29
it could operate as either. the substance of the month (thread) would obviously be hosted by the appropriate forum which then gets a de facto spotlight.

alasdair

Infinite Jest
10-06-2008, 19:41
I say restrict newer members from posting in OD and only allow them to post in BDD.

Worth consideration, but often a new poster may be a very experienced user. I wouldn't want to lose out on that knowledge, or make them feel like a noob, just because they hadn't spent long posting here.

Will think about it, though. Thanks :)

Rogue Robot
10-06-2008, 22:45
it could operate as either. the substance of the month (thread) would obviously be hosted by the appropriate forum which then gets a de facto spotlight.

alasdair

makes sense. :)

ClubbinGuido
11-06-2008, 03:24
i like your "...of the month idea" cg.


Thank you sir.

Edvard Munch
11-06-2008, 04:29
[this is not the lounge]

Edvard Munch
11-06-2008, 04:32
[this is not the lounge]

ClubbinGuido
11-06-2008, 05:09
[this is not the lounge]

psyly
25-06-2008, 00:09
It has occurred with me that I've observed something that would benefit from the attention of a staff member but had problems locating any who are online. Sometimes, I've seen multiple online staff members but had a hard time deciding who is an appropriate contact. On two occasions contacting Felix resulted in immediate attention, but I don't want to contact admins in the first instance on issues that any staff member could handle.

What I'm thinking is that a staff person could sign in as officer of the deck, and they'd be a contact point for issues that might need to be considered in the relative present time.

I usually use the forum link and look to the bottom to see who is available, from there I don't necessarily recognize every staff name. Its covered in other threads that staff, like everyone else, may choose to have their online status displayed, or not.

Just an idea, I'm happy with BL and this isn't bitching. I'm impressed with many things, but it would get really boring for me to make a list of all of Bl's virtues.
I chose Officer of the Deck cause my whole life I've loved nautical analogies. I'm sure there is probably an acceptable name that isn't nauticle, though other names will not receive my endorsement.;)

Rogue Robot
25-06-2008, 00:15
psyly, your best bet, honestly, would be to send a PM to all of the moderators of the forum. many mods/smods/admin do not wish to have people know when they are online, as sometimes it doesn't matter as they may only get online if they receive an email notification or what have you.

i'm kind of one of those mods, but i'm almost always online someway.

felix
25-06-2008, 01:23
psyly - you got lucky with me because i'm unemployed and i've got fuck all better to do. ;)

i can see the reasons behind your idea and why it might seem like a good thing for the users. but in addition to what eras3r correctly said... from our perspective it would be a bit of a bind. we already spend a significant proportion of our free time working on this site - for nothing, of course - and to feel that we had to clock in and out would make it a right old chore. plus there's the fact that our Online status times out after 15 minutes of inactivity. if we mess around on youtube for 20 minutes, or go and watch a TV programme, it'll look like we've gone off duty. or should we 'sign out' and try and get someone else to handover to?

i hope you see where i'm coming from here. :)

to reiterate what eras3r said: sending a PM to all the mods of the forum in question is the quickest way of dealing with something 'in-forum'.

but most importantly - and by far the most effective way of having a problem dealt with - is to hit the report button on a problematic post. every report is visible to every member of staff. an email of the report is immediately sent to all the mods of that forum as well as all the senior mods, who can moderate in any forum. the receipt of that email is quite often all that's needed to bring a mod online to look at the problem. (they might just be having a youtube session. ;))

Ham-milton
25-06-2008, 01:26
I like psyly's idea. When I've gotten PMs offering me drugs or asking me for drugs (both stupid, I'm well stocked and I'm definitely not nice enough to share) it's been a pain in the ass trying to figure out who to send it to. Instead I'm stuck sending it out to 5 people, when 1 would have done. Then I get 4+1pms back, one that took care of it, and 4 that were too late, so I have to send out 4 more to explain this.

Anyway...

50USD is insane for a name change. Haven't you guys been watching the news? Our economy is in the drain- and even if 50USD is less than a Zimbabwean Dollar, it's plenty for yanks who work for their living (it's still nothing for those who don't).

(btw, in Zimbabwe, inflation is running at something like 1.6m% impressive, eh?)



plus there's the fact that our Online status times out after 15 minutes of inactivity. if we mess around on youtube for 20 minutes, or go and watch a TV programme, it'll look like we've gone off duty. or should we 'sign out' and try and get someone else to handover to?

Agreed, but when you're on the site, mods and smods don't show up in the "who's active" portion at all (AFAICT), which has been the main problem for me.

alasdairm
25-06-2008, 01:37
don't forget the report feature. some of us are lucky enough to get an email for every single bl report site-wide and forum moderators get an email copy of all reports for the forums(s) they moderate.

if i'm online but not surfing bluelight, i'm often still alerted to troublesome issues by the email report.

alasdair

felix
25-06-2008, 01:38
1. PM problems are unlikely to be mega-urgent. just send them to the mods of the forum.

2. as stated previously - hit the report button on any problem posts.

3. if you go here, you can see which mods are online: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/ (but yes, when you look at the forums themselves it doesn't show them as being online or not - but then again they might be online but browising a different forum anyway?

4. i'm probably here more than anyone at the moment - but there's still no fucking way i'm clocking in and out. ;)

TheLoveBandit
25-06-2008, 01:44
Psyly, thanks much for the suggestion - as ever, any and all ideas are worth tossing about, that's why we posted this :)


I'll give my personal opinion - utilize the report function. There are many staff (myself included) who tend to have spotty hours when we can tend to the site (no set schedule), and I usually remain 'invisible' when I'm online so I can focus on specific tasks. However, any post which gets REPORTed will send a flag to the entire staff - appropriate forum mods, senior mods, and admin (and yes, all the other forum mods who don't care ;) ). Point being, we all check those RPs frequently, the mods looking for anything related to their forums and the sr staff for anything they might be able to help out on. So, by using the RP function, you in fact flag all appropriate personnel and the first to respond can.

To Hammie's point of multiple responses, the RPs allow the staff to make notes and discuss with one another if something ought to be done and what that might be, and as such, it gives all who read it an idea of WHOM is responding and what action they are taking. If no response is visible, then we assume nobody has looked into it and we'll start in if we can. I should point out, however, that sometimes an RP gets no public response whatsoever...simply because the situation doesn't need attention (ie, a whinging nut case on a meth comedown feels butthurt about a comment in the Lounge :\ ), though we'd like to think the mods would at least PM the person who made the RP to let them know that nothing will be done....this isn't always (or often?) done due to the nature of a volunteer board, not everyone has the time felix does for responding to any and all notices.


note to felix, get a job man...GET A JOB!!!

Edit - heh, true TLB fashion, alasdairm and felix replied whilst I composed my response :o