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bansh33
28-05-2008, 07:59
I searched for a while and was unable to find an answer to this question so I apologize in advance if this is a repost.

I was wondering if anyone knew how to make regular powdered east coast dope into a liquid solution that could be administered intranasally (i.e. in a nasal spray bottle). Also, would this cause the heroin to degrade into morphine if not used immediately? thanks

phrozen
28-05-2008, 17:19
Yes, it would degrade. Anything over 24hrs would probably start being noticeable. Also, make sure you don't iv that. That's a perfect breeding ground for bacteria.


As for how to make it, buy a nasal spray,empty it, and dilute some heroin in saline solution. Make sure you figure out how much you get into the overall solution, and what dose each spray gives you. (To calculate how much each spray gives you, just put in the amount of liquid you're gonna use, and calculate how many sprays it takes to empty it. Then divide.)

dadiddy23
29-05-2008, 01:00
if you're going to spray the heroin up the nose why not just sniff the powder? it will hit you quicker because of no water added and in my opinion powder is cleaner than water -- it wont drip down your nose like water will, and the powder will stick to your mucus membrane better as well (in my opinion that is) -- thats just me though, i just dont understand if you're willing to put the solution up your nose, why not the powder? easier to get high in front of people i guess? but there's ways around that with powder. i've used tons of different ways to make heroin look like every day stuff and had no problem getting high in front of people and they didnt even know it (until i started to nod out) LoL

Harumscxarum
29-05-2008, 05:53
if you're going to spray the heroin up the nose why not just sniff the powder? it will hit you quicker because of no water added and in my opinion powder is cleaner than water -- it wont drip down your nose like water will, and the powder will stick to your mucus membrane better as well (in my opinion that is) -- thats just me though, i just dont understand if you're willing to put the solution up your nose, why not the powder? easier to get high in front of people i guess? but there's ways around that with powder. i've used tons of different ways to make heroin look like every day stuff and had no problem getting high in front of people and they didnt even know it (until i started to nod out) LoL


lol. Awesome. What are some of the ways you did it? I don't have to worry about powder cause we get tar but still, shit sounds funny.

phrozen
29-05-2008, 06:03
Actually, a mist/liquid will absorb through your mucous membranes faster than a powder will.

OmarLittle
31-10-2008, 01:35
^^^ true. I used a nasal spray bottle and crushed up a few diluadids and added it with distilled water. It does absorb better, resulting in a better high than just snorting it as a powder.

On a side note, I emptied a gram of high quality cocaine into a nasal spray and it worked amazing, way better than simply snorting it. First, I added the cocaine to a appropriate amount of (distilled) water, then when the coke disolved into the water and the cut seperated, I filtered it through a coffee filter, leaving a fairly pure solution of coke and water. Then I added the coke-water solution to a nasal spray bottle. It was an amazing high, and I could do it anywhere without suspicion.

The reason it works great with coke is because( as many know), it is highly water soluble.

Heroin, if I am correct, will dissolve very well in cold water (following the principles of a CWE). Try and dissolve the heroin into a cold water solution and then filter it through a filter of some sort. It should in theory leave you with a fairly pure solution of heroin and water which would then be transfered into a nasal spray bottle with great results. Like I said, I've tried this with Dilaudid and it worked out great.

On a side note, I would never share a nasal spray bottle with anyone. Studies have shown that sharing bills and straws have a similar rate of cross-infection of diseases (hep c, hiv, etc.) as sharing needles. The same would apply to a nasal spray bottle, which would get pretty filthy of you shared it with a few people. How's that for harm reduction? Good luck, you should post your results.

Desdenova
31-10-2008, 03:58
Hm, interesting concept

I suppose you could do this with any opiate (except heroin, cause you'd lose it)

djxanax
31-10-2008, 04:07
It works and works well. I wouldn't give advice based on dosage. you gotta figure out those ratios for yourself especially considering how much diesel a mL of saline can hold (quite a bit.) I use to use it for convenience and to be covert.

an empty bottle of regular Visine (the nasal spray bottles just mist as opposed to give you a real squirt) works but one of those dose-based sprays would probably regulate dosage better though i've never tried one..

I've used it over the course of a couple days. just in my pocket for a quick get-down. I noticed no degradation.

nabollocks
31-10-2008, 04:12
Great for break through pain :)

dutchie3k
18-02-2009, 22:20
Try saline to avoid degradation over time.

OverDriven
18-02-2009, 22:48
Heroin in any solution with water will quickly turn into morphine and acetic acid. So you are wasting your heroin unless you use it all immediately.

rddante
18-02-2009, 22:51
great for kicking, jus lil meterd doses, consistent and quick, keep you from gettin sick

sonic
20-04-2009, 22:28
Yes it would degrade. I'm wondering if a solution could be made that would be preservable? Would a little ethanol help slowdown the breakdown? Does anyone know if using a small percentage of ethanol would help slow down the degradation process to morphine?

monstanoodle
21-04-2009, 01:45
Yes it would degrade. I'm wondering if a solution could be made that would be preservable? Would a little ethanol help slowdown the breakdown? Does anyone know if using a small percentage of ethanol would help slow down the degradation process to morphine?

On a related topic (using Ethanol), would it be possible to do a simple A>B extraction on dope to clean it up a little? There's something that it's cut with where I am that tends to make me very nauseous [and no, it's not that it's uber strong].

johanneschimpo
21-04-2009, 18:42
^ A/B extractions do work to clean up dope, but there's no way to know if the substance in question will be eliminated. It may just stay in solution with the heroin. I guess the only way to know would be to do the extraction and see if that cut is gone.



Also, I don't think adding alcohol will help on the degradation front, just for bacterial growth. Regardless of the amount of alcohol added, you'll still have a lot of water, and that water will still hydrolyze the heroin. Damn, I'm imagining alcohol going up my nose now. Ouch.

skoat
21-04-2009, 18:55
Hmm, I have got to try this for Opiates and Cocaine as well. Some of the venues around DC have gotten so strick that this might be the only way to get a groove on. Security's watchful eye is always a thorn in my paw.

Would, 3 OC 80's in saline be something that wouldn't significantly degarade in a months time in moderate humity and max temperatures of seventy degrees farenheit?

johanneschimpo
21-04-2009, 19:04
The whole heroin degradation thing is because water literally breaks it down into morphine. Oxycodone doesn't have that problem, it won't break down. But it still has its problems. The pills contain lactose (milk sugar), so by crushing them in water and letting them sit (especially at a nice warm 70 degrees), you're basically building condominiums for bacteria. You'd be best off just prepping the amount that you're going to use that day, so you don't allow it to sit and become a breeding ground.

[Alcohol slows that growth to some extent, as do very high/low temperatures, but since I don't have any specific numbers, I won't bother going into that. Also, I'm still imagining alcohol going up my nose, and it seems terrible. When alcohol is used, its in sealed vials/ampules, so there's nothing going in or out. With something that isn't sealed, like a nasal spray bottle, I don't know how effective it is at all. :\]

skoat
21-04-2009, 19:22
^ Thanks man, that explains a lot.

I'm going to just create a solution from day to day as you stated. The idea of bacteria being sprayed into my nose, however benign, disqualifies my prior idea.

HeroinJunkie
31-08-2010, 21:56
Try saline to avoid degradation over time.

That will just accelerate degradation, it will not just hydrolyze the heroin into morphine but it also break the morphine down into other chemicals.

In fact, if you OD on heroin shooting a concentrated saline solution will get you out of it right away.



if you're going to spray the heroin up the nose why not just sniff the powder? it will hit you quicker because of no water added and in my opinion powder is cleaner than water -- it wont drip down your nose like water will, and the powder will stick to your mucus membrane better as well (in my opinion that is) -- thats just me though, i just dont understand if you're willing to put the solution up your nose, why not the powder? easier to get high in front of people i guess? but there's ways around that with powder. i've used tons of different ways to make heroin look like every day stuff and had no problem getting high in front of people and they didnt even know it (until i started to nod out) LoL


Actually, a mist/liquid will absorb through your mucous membranes faster than a powder will.

Both of you are incorrect to some extent, it is true that a liquid will be absorved faster than powder by the mucous membranes, but unlike cocaine, very little heroin is absorbed by the mucous membranes when you snort it, most of the heroin you snort makes it all the way to your digestive system where it will be absorbed by the gut. What makes the liquid work faster is the fact that it drips down to your stomage faster.


Yes it would degrade. I'm wondering if a solution could be made that would be preservable? Would a little ethanol help slowdown the breakdown? Does anyone know if using a small percentage of ethanol would help slow down the degradation process to morphine?

I don't think so, that's why pharmaceutical grade heroin ampoules are freeze dried, you need to add the water right before injecting it.

johanneschimpo
31-08-2010, 23:19
In fact, if you OD on heroin shooting a concentrated saline solution will get you out of it right away.
Wow. That is 100% BULLSHIT. This is a harm reduction forum, watch what you say. A saline solution is salt + water and does absolutely nothing to help an overdose.



Both of you are incorrect to some extent, it is true that a liquid will be absorved faster than powder by the mucous membranes, but unlike cocaine, very little heroin is absorbed by the mucous membranes when you snort it, most of the heroin you snort makes it all the way to your digestive system where it will be absorbed by the gut. What makes the liquid work faster is the fact that it drips down to your stomage faster.
Thats also wrong - not potentially dangerous as the first thing you said - just plain incorrect.




Conclusion: you're a fucking idiot. :|

skoat
31-08-2010, 23:29
haha, Chimpo laying the smackdown. Man this thread brings back some memories.

jamesBrown
31-08-2010, 23:46
i dont get why you people are concerned about the heroin 'degrading" into morphine while in a water solution???

Doesnt heroin simply turn into morphine when it crosses the blood brain barrier?? Therefore your actually getting high off of morphine when you do heroin, its just that the chemical formulation of heroin allows it to cross the blood brain barrier more quickly than morphine.

So whats the big deal if your heroin turns to morphine??...I like morphine....I know alot of people who like morphine too.....whats wrong with morphine?

axe battler
01-09-2010, 00:35
It's anti-Semitic

jamesBrown
01-09-2010, 00:37
It's anti-Semitic

wtf does that mean

...or are you just trying to incease your # of posts?

Captain.Heroin
01-09-2010, 00:39
i dont get why you people are concerned about the heroin 'degrading" into morphine while in a water solution???

Doesnt heroin simply turn into morphine when it crosses the blood brain barrier?? Therefore your actually getting high off of morphine when you do heroin, its just that the chemical formulation of heroin allows it to cross the blood brain barrier more quickly than morphine.

So whats the big deal if your heroin turns to morphine??...I like morphine....I know alot of people who like morphine too.....whats wrong with morphine?

Morphine doesn't cross the BBB as quickly.

Furthermore, heroin is 1.5 to 2x as strong as morphine, so allowing it to hydrolyze back into morphine means you're getting less high for your $.

Diacetyl_Morphine
01-09-2010, 00:39
Isn't there about a two hours period where it de-acetylates into straight morph? I mean, in small immediate use quantities it would work, but I don't think long term it would work so well. As mentioned previously bacteria is also a pretty big issue, but you could use wtf is that called, not bacteriogenic, but there's a type of water that can be used for bacteria control.

jamesBrown
01-09-2010, 00:41
Morphine doesn't cross the BBB as quickly.

Furthermore, heroin is 1.5 to 2x as strong as morphine, so allowing it to hydrolyze back into morphine means you're getting less high for your $.

I know it doesnt cross as quickly...thats what I posted above....

and yes your losing some of the high for your money but these people were acting like it was a complete waste....that I disagree with....especially if you only do it in small amounts....and snort the liquid solution within a short period of time.

axe battler
01-09-2010, 01:18
wtf does that mean

...or are you just trying to incease your # of posts?

Hmm, I'm trying to be funny and evidently failing.

jamesBrown
01-09-2010, 02:58
Hmm, I'm trying to be funny and evidently failing.

Yea I guess you failed, but maybe just with me.

Dont worry, someone laughed.....somewhere.

edtree
03-11-2010, 04:00
Hmm, I'm trying to be funny and evidently failing.

I fukn laughed aye ;P. Was a play on words that was directed at political correctness not a specific religious group, if i'm not mistaken?
(hope so cause if im wrong then ill hate myself for laughing)

but glad you answered JB's retort as that showed spunk!

What I would like to know ladies and gentlemen is if you have just come off fentanyl like me then how much descent beige would it take to get the same effect of pain relief/euphoria by a; snorting b; waterlining or c; iv.
btw was on 1.2mg fent for 3 months which i was sub-lingualing 3-4 x a week and it would give me pain relief for nearly 36 hrs and euphoria for app 4 hrs.
Hari Om
edtree

LivingOnValium
03-11-2010, 04:43
I know it doesnt cross as quickly...thats what I posted above....

and yes your losing some of the high for your money but these people were acting like it was a complete waste....that I disagree with....especially if you only do it in small amounts....and snort the liquid solution within a short period of time.

The BA of intranasal morphine is shit compared to IV morphine is shit. The two acetyl groups in heroin make it more lipophilic than morphine which hugely improves the absorption through nasal cavity.

intranasal morphine = bad
intranasal heroin = good.

ATLL765
03-11-2010, 06:08
Heroin is quickly metabolized into two things 6-MAM and morphine, so the former is what I imagine makes the rush and high feel different than morphine. I guess it's also possible that it feels different solely because of how it crosses the BBB faster than morphine does, but I would imagine that the 6-MAM's effects definitely cause heroin to feel different from morphine. Also, from my limited experience with morphine, it seemed to cause more of a histamine reaction than heroin does. I've had much more experience with heroin, so I may be biased here, but that's what I remember about the times I used morphine.

Someone please correct me if I'm incorrect in my theory. I was speculating about this and I'm not really sure about the scientific accuracy of what I said.

zaborav
01-04-2014, 18:16
Well, to my mind this entire thread has fallen into the trap that everybody who thinks of heroin just being heroin falls into. Now I have NO. IDEA WTF East Coast Dope is; but I would THINK according to geographical sense that since it would appear that we are talking about the E Coast of the USA then it is 90% likely to be Afghan rather than anything else. I DO know that the SW gets most of theirs from the relatively new grow areas in Central and South America, which produces dreadful sticky tarry stuff because they do NOT use the correct chemical for acetylisation - glacial acetic acid as opposed to the chemically more accurate and ten times more effective and clean acetic anhydride. They can not even bother their arses doing the very easy synthesis of acetic anhydride FROM GAA which would produce the regular diacetyl base that is made from over 90% of poppy grown specifically for heroin production! yielding a substance varying in colour from a very light tan to a darker brown which on drying is a powder which is then compressed into blocks of around 250g but generally weighed using an ancient unit of weight which is pretty much unique to the area of Afghanistan and N Pakistan. I am not familiar with what that weight actually is but the blocks that are transported westwards through Iran, normally in a yellow plastic outer wrapping over thinner, transparent plastic type stuff do tend to be a quarter of a Kilo each or in fact a bit more than that using the Afghani weight units.
The key word I have used is BASE. The Central American stuff, almost black in colour so dark brown it is thanks to the use of GAA, any purchase of acetic anhydride being flagged by the DEA and it's equivalents in those countries (why they can not make their own anhydride is a mystery which I put down to sheer laziness as it is neither difficult nor expensive and results in a vastly superior product) is also heroin BASE. I would also imagine that the West would mainly source, as do Australia, South Africa etc, from the famous Golden Triangle area - a product which is so much higher in quality and also more expensive but is NOT base. It is, in that area, the custom to make from their opium the hydrochloride salt, unsuitable for smoking without the addition of a base powder consisting in the main of anhydrous caffeine, cooked acetaminophen and d-mannitol/mannitose. Few people actually do this except in Cambodia, the Lao Republic and Vietnam so the main ROAof this product which is a greyish white colour, fluffier and less clumpy than Afghan brown in all it's myriad shades which vary from one oil drum to the next. The HCl salt made in the Thai/Burmese border areas is remarkably consistent from jungle lab to jungle lab because of its nature and that final step, the step which Westerners erroneously describe as the difference between "#3" and #4" heroin. In other words (those numbers really have no meaning at all to the producers) the difference between the water soluble heroin hydrochloride, the drug that is available on prescription, and raw heroin base, the smoking gear that makes up 90% of the world's illicit heroin and which must be made into a water soluble salt before injection, usually the citrate as our needle exchanges skive out small sachets of citric acid in order that this may be done as well as the isopropyl alcohol swabs, aluminium cookers, cotton filters, and amps or vials, plastic these days, of Water for Injection BP or USP. Some pharmacies will hand out all-in-one syringes with fixed needles somewhat like 1mL insulin syringes; the needle is normally of the finest gauge (those on the 0.5mLsyringes are the finest of all) and along with the filter should ensure that no unwanted solid gets anywhere near one's bloodstream. The advances in needle issue to IV users in the past five years or so are greater than at any time since the exchange introduction in the early 1980s.
My point is that yes heroin is lipophilic. Yes it crosses the blood/brain barrier far easier than does morphine in any form and by any route. Although the time of up to ten minutes given for onset if action when Afghani is smoked is laughable, being closer to ten SECONDS than minutes. I know that when I inhale the fumes from three lines smoked pretty rapidly one after the other when the bag is first opened and the rattling needs to be banished ASAP, by the time I exhale after line #3, the barrier is crossed and I am beginning to feel human once more (if the percentage purity is sufficient - since the Great Blight of 2009 and the subsequent change in route meaning the worst adulterations in history now occur, I am 999% sure in Kosovo, the new road that's used for smuggling (if you find the smaller amount that follows the old route via Iran, Turkey and Bulgaria rather than the more southerly one to hen your goods will (not MAY but WILL) be at least twice as pure by the time they reach the greedy b*st*rds in London and LIverpool who keep UK and Irish kit the worst in W Europe by further cutting already laughably impure stuff so that your average kit of a Kilo or less in the UK is now likely 20% Or even LESS than that!
Snorting b/a is only worth it if you firstly make your supply into the hydrochloride (easiest) salt. As is dosing safely according to the accepted range and the clinical range used by Pharma companies in the amounts they sell, but remember that the reason that Heroin hydrochloride in their amps on Rx are POWDER because it degrades so fast if sold in SOLUTION. Heroin HCl is rapidly and entirely water soluble, Afghan heroin base is NOT and so is NOT suitable for snorting at all. So there goes your East Coast snorting. Do not do it without making your supply into heroin hydrochloride first,even though you are likely to return only about 200-250mg at most from each gram purchased, pick your supply carefully only using and buying the stuff which makes you gouch out after four or five lines.
That's the key to snorting and injecting. Making that last step to salt with the common Afghan smoking gear. So easy yet so few do it. I actually prefer smoking as a social thing anyway but always like a sneaky hit or snort so try to keep some HCl around the place.
So remember these things.
Making common Afghan heroin base into salt makes it water soluble.
It also makes it suitable for snorting.
It purifies the product, removing the adulterants and making it almost BP standard.
It makes using heroin, a fairly benign drug, even SAFER by removal of anything toxic that may have been added.
It makes it safer because you are using a KNOWN DOSAGE of KNOWN STRENGTH SUBSTANCE.
It feels nicer.
I have no idea what this would do to the tarry crap from Mexico but I am sure that if it has been made with GAA the result will be similar to what I describe.
And remember that nearly all heroin on the street is a complete waste when snorted because it simply will not dissolve enough to cross the mucous membranes and at best you will have an uptake of 25% of the available drug if you DO snort brown.
Be smart folks. I have used heroin now for 38 years. If it had been alcohol I assure you I would be dead. But of course jot. I am as Fit and healthy as you could get at the age of 56 thanks to my drug of choice being the almost harmless HEROIN HYDROCHLORIDE, made, adapted and used properly every day,a NOT ABUSED!
Enjoy, fellow opiophile.

bluephoenix
01-04-2014, 19:13
Uhhh zaborav when we in the states talk about East Coast Powder we are talking about hydrochloride. 99% of what is sold in the eastern US is white/grey hydrochloride powder. Many people snort it and to IV it you can dump it right out of the pack and dissolve it. In many areas in the East tar is unheard of and in 10 years of using I have never seen base either in the East, South or Midwest US.

Mr.Scagnattie
01-04-2014, 19:32
If you actually want people to read your post, zabrov, you might wanna consider using paragraphs. Most people are going to pass over a massive wall of text like that, just like I did.

zaborav
10-04-2014, 22:12
Well I DO in fact use paragraphs but I guess that indents just do not appear perhaps because I have internet access only from my phone, v basic;,we will see if the new iPad fixes that. Impossible to use Rich Text functions on Android phone I use.

serotonin-system
10-04-2014, 22:52
Sounds like a good idea

fizzymk
10-04-2014, 23:14
I searched for a while and was unable to find an answer to this question so I apologize in advance if this is a repost.

I was wondering if anyone knew how to make regular powdered east coast dope into a liquid solution that could be administered intranasally (i.e. in a nasal spray bottle). Also, would this cause the heroin to degrade into morphine if not used immediately? thanksHave you ever thought about smoking the H?

Ive done this and its actually pretty good imo. I put about a large match head amount of heroin on foil, have straw in mouth and heat up the H, suck in all the smoke you can and hold it in like smoking pot, it tastes bitter as hell, but its a damn good mellow high, I also noticed I could still feel fairly good hours after smoking it, wore off pretty slow.

Its worth a shot, the only thing is, you have to be careful not to waste too much (going up in smoke, you are not inhaling), you can use a meth type pipe too.