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enoughorangejuice?
15-01-2011, 04:21
Anyone hear about these? Just wondering why the doses are so low 5mcg, 10mcg and 20mcg... I think the 20mcg works out to be 480mcg a day (0.48mg of bupe a day). Which is a little less than 1/4 of a 2mg subutex pill....right?

Is extremely low dose bupe considered a decent analgesic?

I feel like I am missing something here....:|

http://www.butrans.com/App_Themes/images/logo-butrans-inner.gif

sekio
15-01-2011, 04:43
Buprenorphine binds VERY strongly to opiate receptors, and in opiate naive people it's a decent painkiller. These patches aren't for opiate maintenance I think :)

enoughorangejuice?
15-01-2011, 04:50
yeah i guess you are right... i did a little reading and these patches are NOT for people who use percocet or vicodin... it's for people who only take tylenol or aspirin for their pain but those aren't strong enough...

still they mention "abuse potential" on the website... 8)

Captain.Heroin
15-01-2011, 06:01
The BA for transdermal buprenorphine is really low. These have only been approved for analgesia. Finally, we already have a thread for buprenorphine patches here (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=366074).

leftwing
15-01-2011, 06:44
haha wow, blast from the past. look how naive and stupid i was just 2 years ago:| now i'm a sr mod...

there have been posts about these patches being introduced for maintenance that i've read from other posters over the years, whether they've been approved or not i'm not sure and haven't though about since. this was for the US, at least. i'm in australia. the search engine should help out.


it's for people who only take tylenol or aspirin for their pain but those aren't strong enough...

i can see some truth to that but it's not true 100%. i was on an opiate regime before using these, given that was only tramadol and codeine at the time but i had had experience with other opiates before being switched to this. it comes down to the doctor and patients discretion.


still they mention "abuse potential" on the website...

i definitely agree with that. i was able to get high abusing them. before i was switched to fent after my allergic reaction being identified i was able to perform a decent extraction on the bupe and get high, as well as using orally and SL at one stage. though i enjoy bupe in the rec sense. friends were also able to get high (spewing their guts on and off dor 24+ hours) from chewing a small amount of the patch and oral BA is only around 10%. tolerance definitely plays the part there.

bupe is relative to my interests given my current situation...again.

Dr migi
12-02-2011, 12:15
I was at 1.2mg Bupe sublingual a day ( 1mg pill + 0.2 and got some 0.4 temgesic ( sublingual bupe))

Now he switched me to patch In Europe it's called Transtec it realease 35mcg an hour, contain 20mg bupe on it. And you have to wear it for 4 days before changing it ( 20/4 = 5mg/day)

It is prescribed for chronic pain and fybromialgia. But I could feel better my old (1.2 / 2 mg bupe in pills than the patch ... wtf ?



Im looking a way to get more out of it. ( I KNOW I KNOW you can't) , I mean, a better absorbsion. MAybe Clean hard your skin before appling patch ? appling patch on the veins, Heating the patch ? ( not recommended, but apparently if heated more than 25į it realease faster bupe)

reply if you got an idea or if im wrong.
thx

Dr migi
19-02-2011, 11:13
normally now i would still be hazed as shit and barely functional to perform out of the way tasks love the way you said that. I do the same with bupe patch ( switzerland here ) I broke my feets and legs 6 onth ago.

I recive brand: "transtec" deliver 20mg under 4 days = 35mcg/hours (smallest dose here on patch) have some usless tini 0,4 ammount of bupe fun to snort and then ALL THE FUCKING WORLD FEELS GREAT and when all arround you feels great you feel great too!

awesome and thats when the addiction start: im on withdraw atm before I wait 4 days between using 2 x 20mg bupe

freakxfrolic@yahoo
21-03-2011, 17:00
i know this sounds dumb.. but i dont knowho to ask ..i have been on sub strips off the street for 40 some days but i have tried injecting (with 8mg/2mg i dont know if this is the samwe patch as your 20mcg/hr one?) and it did not work out well for me.. but i didnt peel off any part of it.. i dissolved the whole thing lik an idiot.. but i just came across this..and whis id seen it sooner.. im lookin at one now and dont see how to peel it off.( i dont know what side is suppose to be on your skin.)i dissole them under my tongue.. im not sick or equipt with rig now so im not going to try . but mine just seems to strech not peel off. .. its a half of one maybe i need a fresh one idk..?..



Okay, i just wanted to put my method down here because ive seen alot of crap about using ethanol, lemon juice and whatever else...
My brief history is that I was on oxycontin 80mg, heroin and norspan for about a year and when i couldnt get either of the first 2 drugs, i'd use the norspan (not as good feeling, but longer lasting and cheaper - (from chemist) so i didnt have to go through withdrawals)

This is how you extract it:

I was using 20mcg/hr patches. Peel off the clear square (doesnt seem to really matter how quickly you pull this off, it is a matrix with the bupe infused in it)... but *make sure* you remember which side is supposed to be in contact with your skin if you were to use it as directed.

Get a tablespoon, preferably a larger than normal one, place about 2ml of clean water (for injecting) in the spoon.

Place the plastic square in a spoon facing DOWN so that the water is in contact with the SKIN CONTACT side.. you'll see where it makes contact.

Let it sit for 30mins - 1 hr (depending on your tolerance and patch strength - but START LOW and work up.. you can always take more, but if you shoot too much you cant get it out of your system unless youve got some narcan handy - not a pleasant experience)..

After it has soaked for the required amt of time, SWIM used to put the end of the needle into an ear cleaner (earbud) and place the earbud in the solution and draw through that. Not the most effective filter, but it would at least do something.

AND THATS IT!!

SWIM used to shoot an entire patch in 1 or 2 days, but the tolerance was massive...

You usually need to soak it for at least half an hour, but SWIM would try to let it sit for at least 45-60 minutes, sometimes longer if SWIM had patience and wasnt in WD's already..

No heating, no lemon juice.. nothing else is needed. this is the way SWIM was doing it for at least 10 months and it worked very well.

The patch can be soaked more than once of course, but you'll need to soak it for longer each time as it gets used up. Also usually the sides of the patch would sometimes not touch the water which means the bupe isnt being taken from that area, so just move the patch around til it does.

You may also need to use more water and a larger syringe than a fitpack needle/insulin syringe (1ml) as the bupe levels from the plastic get lower, either that or use more water and inject several times but this can be a bit annoying and cause more damage to veins.

You can also do this with the patch stuck to the spoon and the skin contact side facing UP, but obviously you'll just need to put the water on the opposite side (on top of the patch instead of underneath) which also works just as well.

Now, I dont condone this. I'm just trying to save the more adventurous peoples' veins from shooting whatever junk some other people say is needed in their experimental methods..

I've been clean for almost a year now and my life has turned around and am fit and healthy..
but i did lose alot including my wife and plenty of cash so if you need help, i encourage you to seek it from wherever you can - parents and family, close friends - anyone.. because any opiate addict is only happy when they've got the stuff coursing through the system but every 16-20 hours youve gotta make the calls, come up with the cash, wait until theyre ready and finally have that shot otherwise youre sick!! It's a struggle, it's extremely hard and it can be very depressing and that just isnt the way to live - YOU ARE WORTH IT!!

Hope this helps more than hinders.

Captain.Heroin
21-03-2011, 17:09
A patch isn't a strip.

The strips are meant for sublingual use.

The patches are meant for transdermal use.

enoughorangejuice?
27-03-2011, 06:34
what is the law regarding Butrans and specifically prescribing it to someone who used to be addicted to opioids and has been off them for years with the help of Suboxone?

Is it legal for a doctor to prescribe, to a person who has been taking Suboxone, a Butrans patch? I inquired with my Suboxone doc about this possibility and was berated for asking him to do something he thought would be illegal. I'm not sure if he realized Butrans = buprenorphine...but he got quite upset. Am I out of line for thinking it may be a nice alternative to taking 1/4 of a 2mg pill sublingually EVERY DAY, where with the Butrans I could take one 20mcg/hr patch once a week and get essentially the same daily dose of buprenorphine I was getting with the fractions of my Suboxone tablets? I get ~500mcg a day, and with the patch I would get 480mcg a day.

My doctor yelled at me, called me a "drug-seeking junkie" and told me to find a new Suboxone doctor, which is fine by me.... I just didn't think asking for a slightly lower daily dose of buprenorphine in a much more difficult-to-abuse delivery form was "drug-seeking behavior" but I guess I learn something new every day! 8)

I have no desire to get high and thought it would be nice to be able to get Butrans from my primary care doctor for a $15 co-pay instead of paying a "Suboxone doctor" $300 a visit for the exact same fucking chemical....and in my mind Suboxone tablets are infinitely more abuseable than a fucking patch...(Suboxone tablets can be easily snorted/injected/plugged) but I guess this is why I'm just a stupid drug-seeking junkie and not a doctor 8):!8):!8):!


I'd appreciate any response to this post letting me know I'm not crazy...not only did my Suboxone doctor quit on me but my normal psychiatrist is telling me that I need to understand why my Suboxone doctor would interpret my idea for switching from Suboxone to Butrans as a desire to get high, to which I replied I did not understand that interpretation seeing as I can easily abuse my Suboxone tablets and am asking for the same chemical just in a slightly lower dose and in a much less abuseable delivery system.... I could be wrong here, i mean i am the one seeing two fucking shrinks, but I have a hunch, since their combined age is at LEAST 155, that I'm not the one who's wrong here...

And just so ya'll know... I don't care about not being able to get Butrans if it really is illegal...I just floated the idea out there when i learned there is a buprenorphine patch that happens to come in almost the same daily dose I take with my ridiculously low dose of Suboxone (I take 0.5mg a day and have for a number of years). How this can be viewed as drug-seeking behavior is absolutely beyond me...

amapola
27-03-2011, 08:13
^You're not crazy. Well I can't say that for sure :p but in the above post you are reasonable and your doctor is ignorant. I wouldn't be surprised if your sub doc had been told countless times by his peers and colleagues, and thereby been convinced, that the naloxone in suboxone is the reason it isn't abusable. Hence when you asked for bupe alone he thought you were a drug seeker.

Legal questions aren't really appropriate for OD (and you don't list your location), but there could be some policy in place whereby regular docs can prescribe subs for addiction management by taking a course and not sending you to a specialized addiction doctor. The course is probably presented by Reckitt Benckiser themselves and it very well may not be allowed for that doctor to prescribe anything other than subs for dependence management.

enoughorangejuice?
27-03-2011, 17:13
I live in the US. What I don't understand is that he said Subutex, Methadone and Suboxone are all OK to be Rx'd to me...but Butrans was totally out of the question...so it isn't even the Naloxone in Suboxone...I think he's just fucking crazy. And how asking for a patch version of Subutex is drug seeking is seriously out of the realm of ideas I am capable of understanding. oh well!

too bad more doctors don't read BL...they might actually learn some real world knowledge....

BrokedownPalace
27-03-2011, 17:53
too bad more doctors don't read BL...they might actually learn some real world knowledge....

Yep. The whole 'addiction specialist' tag many sub doctors/methadone doctors have is just a bunch of bullshit. Treating opiate addiction, overall, is a fucking sad state of affairs. Now, for sure there are good doctors out there, who know what they are talking about, just it is sad that the majority don't.

You're definitely not crazy, man. You should have just said, "okay, well I'll just go buy some dope. Now what?"

enoughorangejuice?
27-03-2011, 18:52
haha, ya know when my now-fomer Sub doctor told me that i'm a junky and always will be and started to preach to me the first step of the 12-step program about being powerless and having an unmanageable life I replied, "if i am powerless, why am I not scoring heroin right now, and haven't for the past 2 years?" to which he replied (no joke), "that is the junky in you talking" =D

how ridiculous! the junky in me is telling him how clean i have been...ya that's real junky talk! wtf? my life is completely manageable, i take the lowest suboxone dose of any human on earth who uses it for opioid maintenance (0.5mg a day) and i have a full time job and don't drink or smoke or abuse drugs and i work out daily and don't eat junk food or meat or soda or sweets EVER... ya my life is unmanageable... 8)

i can tell that all of my Suboxone doctors, with ONE exception, only have textbook knowledge regarding Suboxone and addiction. They have no concept of what really goes on and what drugs are abused and how they are abused (other than the obvious ones) and they have no idea how abuseable Suboxone really is and how the Naloxone has ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT in stopping ANYBODY from snorting/plugging or injecting it.

mod note: please use the edit button if you have something to add immediately after posting instead of posting again.

samiam369
28-03-2011, 18:29
i got put on these last week from my doctor, i have never and will never shoot up, no offense to anyone that does, and i am trying to figure out how to get high with them, without having to wear them

MrRoot
29-04-2011, 16:20
I went to see a Dr for filling my OxyContin OC and the Dr I casually visit had a flue so there was another Dr who did not have any of those invidually numbered hologrammed RX templates for hard painkillers etc. we use here so he could not fill the script for me. Instead he scripted me a Norspan patch that contains 5mg of buprenorphine which is released during a week and told me to start using these.

Luckily I have still OCs to cope until I see my regular Dr at monday so no in hell I am going to switch in to thing that releases few micrograms of buprenorphine in to my body as that would not be a nowhere near equal painkilling effect as 20mg of Oxycodone taken three times a day. Also taking buprenorphine while oxycodone in my body would lead to a hell of a bad withdrawals as even those few micrograms released from that patch would block my opiate receptors quite well and would be nowhere equal the amount of oxycodone.

Where do these jerks actually come from?

I just wonder if there are any recreational value for those patches and how should they be administered if some day I quit oxycodone and want to have a buprenorphine high?

leftwing
29-04-2011, 16:40
that dosage patch releases only 5mcg/hr, nowhere near a blockade dose. i was prescribed 2 20mcg/hr patches for some time and had no qualms using oxy, codeine, etc on top for breakthrough pain.

bupe is a potent drug and you will be surprised that it may be sufficient to hold you fine. i had a big opiate tolerance and low dose bupe such as these patches were more sufficient. the lockade effect ime seems to take place upwards of 2-4mg doses.

merging into appropriaye thread

opiatekrzy
30-04-2011, 19:15
i live in NEW YORK, my doc gave me BUTRANS 5mcg/hr..he knew i was an addict and WAS on suboxone, still gave me it, didnt help much, its a 7 day patch

thurston
30-04-2011, 22:13
I found bupe to be good for pain. When I went to the PM doc who just wanted to give me $5000 cortisone injections in my neck (greedy piece of shit). I got an 8mg sub from a friend and divided it over 2 weeks I was almost pain free (not from the injection I spoke to a spinal surgeon who said they would do nothing for my pain and about shit when I told him the price).

leftwing
30-04-2011, 22:35
^this thread is about Buprenorphine Transdermal Patches and not Bupe Strips, Suboxone and Subutex.

Skelu
01-05-2011, 13:35
I have been using these Norspan (10mics/h) patches for a few weeks now. I am using these for pain with several other medications. Now the problem is that the patches donít stay in contact with my skin for a whole week. If I tape those from the edges (as it should), it rises from the center where the bupe is. Does it make the patch useless if the area containing bupe is not in contact with my skin? Should I tape the whole patch to my body? I mean that there is like air or something under the patch.

Can anyone compare Norspan (10mics/h) to any other analgesics? I am in pain and these are not helping much.

Thanks!

Captain.Heroin
01-05-2011, 14:06
I have been using these Norspan (10mics/h) patches for a few weeks now. I am using these for pain with several other medications. Now the problem is that the patches donít stay in contact with my skin for a whole week. If I tape those from the edges (as it should), it rises from the center where the bupe is. Does it make the patch useless if the area containing bupe is not in contact with my skin? Should I tape the whole patch to my body? I mean that there is like air or something under the patch.

Can anyone compare Norspan (10mics/h) to any other analgesics? I am in pain and these are not helping much.

Thanks!

The problem with butrans is that the transdermal BA for buprenorphine is quite low.

I don't know why they didn't increase the dosage at least by several times; apparently most people aren't sensitive enough to get anything out of these.

leftwing
01-05-2011, 14:30
^the dose might be low but it's a potent opioid. think of the dose you're on CH; you administer a similar amount daily to a 24hr period of a 1mcg/hr patch. the transdermal BA is around 30%, similar to sublingual. the max dosage that can be applied is 2 x 20mcg/hr patches for pain managment.

i had problems with the adhesive myself using norspan. tape, saran wrap, glue and bandages never helped. in the end i had an allergic reaction to the silicon adhesive. perspiration was another factor. same problems i had with fentanyl patches.

i've used oxy and morphine since with tramadol.

talk to your doctor about the problem. mine was compassionate enough to change me to morphine after.

opiatekrzy
03-05-2011, 19:47
i just find it ridicolous that my dose for Butrans is 5mcg/hr=5mg a week, my primary knew i was on 24mg suboxone a day for addiction, yet gave me these Butrans for Pain from my car accident..i cant imagine an opiate nieve person even achieving any effect from 5-20mcg/hr...

leftwing
05-05-2011, 04:10
have you at least given them a chance? or spoken to your doctor about your concerns?

bupe works amazingly efficient for myself. during my addiction to fentanyl (using up to 3-4 25mcg/hr patches bucally while wearing an extra patch or two a day) a small dose of only 1-2mg of subutex was able to hold me for 72 hours via IV route.

Skelu
10-05-2011, 12:26
Thanks Captain H and Leftwing

Still struggling to get these patches work properly. What would be the best place for the patch? I am a skinny guy and I try to exercise as much as possible. I have lost 100lbs of my weight (35% of my total weight) and the problem is that when I move, my muscles pulls the patch off. These sure are not strong enough for my pain management when used as it is prescribed.

ChickletLove
11-05-2011, 03:09
Wow, the information here is amazing and so appreciated. I actually had something to add for the last poster. I run, moderately lift, golf, on side cater which requires me to lift 12 meals, great exercise but in 100 degree kitchen, at times. I put my patch just below low-waisted belt line on my arse. I haven't lost one yet and they barely lift off.

I realize they say upper body but my ER nurse friend said for all those reasons, it is fine. Hope this helps.

leftwing
11-05-2011, 13:10
^ i tried using them at lower parts on the body as well but i perspire more than the average person so it still didn't help me.

glad to hear it has worked out for yourself though

ColdNorth
09-07-2011, 21:44
My evening is a whole lot better after just sucking on the little plastic square for half an hour. Under the tongue mostly out of reflex but I don't know if that matters. I didn't want to shoot a solution that has been gathering dust and shit in the open air for an hour. I don't know why they say it doesn't absorb like this, it definitely does. I guess you could get past the contamination if you let it soak inside a syringe but..this is fine. Many thanks for the info.

Doug2113
27-09-2011, 08:33
Got a few questions, so bare with me lol.

If someone goes on a 7-day BuTrans patch for pain, how are they to bathe? Is it okay to get them wet like the little surgical bandages they put over small incisions, do you need to clean around the area? Would one be able to remove and replace the patch a few times during this period of time or would that just cause the patch to need to re-coat the skin again in a new area causing there to be a gap in drug administration?

Any info would be appreciated.

Pegasus
27-09-2011, 09:25
Taking the patch off and putting it back on will damage the transdermal mechanism, making it less effective. As for bathing, you can get it a bit wet, just don't scrub it a lot.

Captain.Heroin
27-09-2011, 10:31
We have a buprenorphine patches thread which I'll merge this into.

:)

Doug2113
27-09-2011, 16:44
TYVM Pegasus, and thanks for the merge cappy smacky. Sorry, I just had a non-recreational question, so I didn't bother searching lol (but I guess I should have). Does anyone know how pricey these are in the states/whether or not insurance might cover them for pain?

leftwing
27-09-2011, 23:02
pricing isn't allowed, apart from some allowances.

ring around your local pharmacies for quotes:)

opiatekrzy
29-09-2011, 01:16
bupe patches are common in the U.S, im from new york, and my doctor gave me a bupe 7-day patch, it only released 5mg over the course is a week, which is ridicolous, didnt help my pain as im tolerant. i believe it was called "Butrans"

lazylazyjoe
29-09-2011, 10:45
Bup for pain is only supposed to be used when there's no opiate tolerance. That's horrible that your doc gave you that. If thats how he operates, find another doc and report him.
Im sure everyone knows but: If there are no opiods in your system, it acts as a full agonist, roughly 40x more potent than morphine. (it's highly abusable to new users, it's schedule 3 for a reason).
But, if there's opioids in your system or your tolerant, it's partial agonist and partial antagonist. Plus it has a higher binding affinity than most opioids so it will force it's way into your recpetors,

opiatekrzy
30-09-2011, 05:56
my doctor did me a favor, he knows im an opiate addict, he gave me a random urine test, and opiates came back, he said he will only keep me on my klonopin, adderall, and for pain the most ill get out of him is the bupe patch.

lazylazyjoe
30-09-2011, 11:05
So, you tested positive for opiates and he gave you Bup? That's even worse. You could have got PWD. Also, docs usually prescribe addicts tramadol for pain, since its not scheduled.
It's funny that he would rather prescribe a schedule III drug instead of an unscheduled one...

opiatekrzy
30-09-2011, 15:28
he mentioned "dont expect any euphoria from this patch" my doctor is cool but nieve in some aspects, if i wanna switch benzos, or increase my dose, he will allow it no questions asked, same with adderall, even gives me a 90 day supply of each, knowing im an addict he doesnt even stop to think twice about benzos or amphetamines being a problem for me lol. the patch did nothing for me, it didnt help me knee pain due to a car accident, i basically just put all 4 patches on to try to relieve withdrawl with no effort or luck

obscure
29-10-2011, 23:34
I just went on the 10mcg/hr butrans patch and have been getting some unwelcome nausea and headache. I've tried promethrazine and prochlorperazine but it's not helping too much with the nausea.

Anybody have any luck with anything else? I'm liking the analgesic part of the patch and am not too keen on switching meds.

tentimes
17-11-2011, 11:49
I had 10mcg/hr patches of Bup that was then upped to 20 (which smacked me out really). They were great for pain, they helped my depression and I actually turned a big corner on them, they chilled me out so much I was able to get my head sorted out. I no longer use them as I found the application site where the patch is got so itchy I was scratching them off. After that they moved me to fentanyl. I preferred the Bup tbh as they worked better for my fibromyalgia pain and made me feel good all the time.

EDIT: Pregabalin works wonders for headaches from opiate patches, both Bup and Fentanyl. Also Duluxetine helped with headaches too.

EDIT2: *WARNING* Read up on Buprenorphine if you are on other opiates, it interracts in a funny way and can trigger a withdrawal effect if I remember rightly, so do your research first ;)

GABAking
16-02-2012, 16:16
Quick question. B/c so much is left in the patch after 7 days, could applying heat get a lot of the drug out? Say I was to apply heat to a patch on days 3, 4, and 5. I'm causing more drug to flood out, but am I "robbing" myself of that drug for the later days?

Also, I know one user reported keeping the patch on for longer than 7 days...does anyone else have good results with doing this?

Redd_loves_OC
19-02-2012, 06:11
Ok Specneck, gave your method for IV a try, I am surprised not more people havent tried it and reported. I put the strip in the spoon the right way and found myself impatient so I put the spoon on my
leg

so my body heat would warm it slightly. Then I used plungers from a 1ml to push and scrape what I could. Water remains clear so you never really know if you have anything. Anyway, I manipulated it

this way for about twenty minutes and took a shot. Very nice. Im big on IV'ing suboxone strips. This was on line with that. Little cleaner feeling I guess, and no orange/lime taste in my mouth. Thanks for
the method.

Redd_loves_OC
19-02-2012, 06:14
GABAking, Id say your best bet is to chew whats left versus using it longer than seven days. And several have tried inducing heat on the patch. It seems the results are unclear. Anyone with a def yes or no?

CoReCoNTAX
16-04-2012, 14:21
Apologies if this doesn't belong here, but I have come across one 10microgram/hour (7day,BuTrans Transdermal Patch)

My opiate tolerance is moderately low, the only main opiates I have used has been DHC usually at doses of 480mg (I have however used DHC to the point of bad WD's), Codeine Linctus and Tramadol (Synthetic I know!)
I have dabbled with a few others too but very rarely.

I was wondering how I could safely get recreational use out of this one patch and what the best way to go about this would be?

Thanks

CoReCoNTAX
16-04-2012, 15:58
I have found some information regarding the melting of Buprenorphine patches:

"So, how would one release the drug from the matrix? According to the label, heat and pressure are warnings in the packaging for guarding against the over-release of the drug. A thinking friend might cut a chunk of the matrix free, put said chunk in neutral liquid (Whiskey comes to mind. Tasty and a good solvent)..not much, though, just enough to cover patch-chunk...put in small tumbler and heat to about 180F for 15 minutes. A micro-wave with window might work. The friend would carefully monitor as the alcohol cooks off. The remainder should be syrupy, sipped and allowed to absorb through the mucus membranes of the mouth...try not to swallow, as Bupe isn't particularly bio-active in stomach and intestines. The rest of the chunk could then be chewed (pressure) to release more of the drug, more quickly. Just a though and advice from thinking friends who report the psychoactive result to be clean, warm, dreamy, but not dopey high."

Read more: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157251#ixzz1sCvtQn5Q

My two questions would be
- Does this method look accurate?
- How much of the strip would need to be melted down? If all of one strip was to be consumed in one go, would that be dangerous?

----

I am hoping Im right in thinking that the 10microgram/hour (7 day,BuTrans Transdermal Patch) when melted down completely will equal to a 1.68mg dose of Buprenorphine dose.

I have got inpatient and will try this method now!

LeLouche
16-04-2012, 18:00
7 days at 10mcs / hr.
240mcs/day
1680 total.
1.68mgs. :(

Also, the OP said they were <NO PRICES> for 2 patches, or <NO PRICES> per patch equals <NO PRICES> per mg. I pulled out an old script reciept I had, and it boils down to <NO PRICES> per 8mg pill or <NO PRICES> per mg. So cost wise the pills are cheaper. Just figured I'd put this up if it helps anyone. I don't know if many insurance will cover bupe patches? Not really sure either way

Edit: It's kinda silly that this is against the rules. Its the prices of different formulations of the same drug at pharmacies. Not how much are people paying on the street. Regardless, even with the no prices edit, call up a pharmacy and ask. Like I said, the pills are cheaper. You can do the math to find out how much depending on individual pharmacies/insurance

Mr.Scagnattie
16-04-2012, 21:32
I was prescribed the patches for a month when my suboxone doctor couldn't fit me in because he had reached his patient limit. He put me on Butrans instead. I actually liked them.. it was nice not having to worry about dosing. Just put them on and worry about it in a week. The best way to use them is to just wear them.. the whole melting shit sounds pointless and most likely a waste. Just stick them on.

tricomb
16-04-2012, 21:42
Yeah, even if you got the pure buprenorphine out, it doesn't change that it's not very recreational.

Use these as a tool, not a toy IMO.

I would save for if I was ever in WD with no methadone or if for whatever reason cold turkey couldn't happen.

CoReCoNTAX
17-04-2012, 17:20
I have to say I was sceptical when I first did it but about 40 minutes in it all started (I carried out the method which I quoted and posted above)I can honestly say that I felt a euphoric glowing feel the whole day,pleasant itch, nodded, became talkative and enjoyed smoking cigarettes (which I only smoke occasionally as I am not a full time smoker) Now the amazing thing is I am STILL feeling absolutely great, nodding and itching slightly today.

I think if you haven't tried this method and are putting it down so easily, and especially in respect to people with only a general opiate tolerance, you might be massively mistaken in your statement.