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AuralAssassin
17-10-2007, 08:22
I was an idiot. I read all the "super mega happy GBL" threads around and decided hell yea, it's for me.

Go through serveral bottles, and no real hangover affects. Well, then I get another bottle and do my regular dose, but soon after decide that I wanna push it a little bit. 2.5 ml became 4ml with a 3 hour (sleep)break and then 4ml more = sleep

I did this for about a week with no problem... well, I wake up after a weird 7 hour sleep(involving antihistamines for nausea and for sleep, as I knew I couldn't dose anymore...

I wake up feeling slight flu, but I don't think anything of it. I have to work overnight. I go to work and look afright. Smoke some weed and my heart starts pounding. Weird, I'm all paranoid... somehow I make it through the night, knowing now what the problem might be.

I go home and dose.... out like a light.

Wake up and dose.... out like a light.


This goes on for about 10 days... one day I wake up for work and I get there... the heat feels excruciating, there is noise, it's bright, people coming in and out.... my heart starts pounding... I rush home and dose for the rest of the night.

I dose for the last time at 4:00am and lay down on my couch to pass out. I wake up SICK and FIENDING at 4:32... 32 minutes?

I immediately vomit and I sit and try and force myself to sober up, to let it go...

in the end, I did the smart thing. I called my mom, I told her what I had been doing and that I needed help. I went to the ER and came clean, they laughed, but one Dr there with a trach scar(obvious former user) and explained what I had done.

prescribes me 20 x 1mg lorazopam and gives me 2mg right then to take.... they kick in and I go home to wait until someone can drive me to the drug store..

I have 12 x 1mg ativan left, and I don't know how long they will last...

anyone know how long a 4ml every 2-3 hour habit for 5 days will leave you going through withdrawls?

I am almost out of Benzo's, and I can't handle this on my own. I don't have a supplier... is there anything OTC I can get to help the effects of this shit???

please, I am begging. I finally ate something today... BARELY... and I haven't thrown up in at least 24 hours I think. I don't know if I stop taking the benzo's if that will start again...

also is 1mg lorazepam every 6 hours for roughly 4 days enough to be concernd about a second withdrawl?

any natural/legal cures?

drew345
17-10-2007, 08:25
alchohal will help as it acts on the gaba receptors

Chemethist
17-10-2007, 08:26
diphenhydramine will help sleep.

Immodium is suppose to help with opiate withdrawals, not sure if it will help with gbl withrdwawls tho.

Also get to the local GMC health food store and buy some GABA. GABA attaches to the same receptors and will definatly help with some of the withdrawls.

AuralAssassin
17-10-2007, 08:29
alchohal will help as it acts on the gaba receptors


I am a recovering alcoholic, so I can't do that. I wish, but I'd be right back with the shakes and on benzos again...

p.s. is the amount of Benzo's I'm taking...

20mg over the course of 4ish days enough that I need to be concerned with possible withdrawl from that stuff?

should I gradually space them out?

the_ketaman
17-10-2007, 08:32
Im am very happy for your sake that you stopped when you did, G withdawls can be really danerous.

Alcohol will help, the problem will be keeping it down but you said you had'nt thrown up in awhile so good luck I guess.

IcarusRisen
17-10-2007, 08:40
Getting help ASAP was the right thing to do. You should be proud of yourself.

garuda
17-10-2007, 08:43
Yep sounds like GBL to me, after a few days of use I'd be strung out and sleep deprived.
But seriously dude c'mon, its like a few days of sleepless nervousness and then its over. I think you might have underlying issues since you were an alcoholic before and GBL is also a GABA agonist.

EDIT: I do know how serious GBL/GHB withdrawal can be but in this case we're talking about a 5 day habit, not 5 months-years of 24/7 use. Would anyone here think a 5 day benzo binge was serious?

Oh and look into phenibut, but with your history of problems it could just cause you more trouble.

Dr. Beat
17-10-2007, 11:25
A really good drug for helping withdrawl from sedatives (like Opiates or Benzos) is Sodium Valproate (called Epilim in australia, and Depake (spell?) in USA.

I suspect it will help withdrawl from GHL/GHB too.

Good luck

indelibleface
17-10-2007, 11:47
Also get to the local GMC health food store and buy some GABA. GABA attaches to the same receptors and will definatly help with some of the withdrawls.

Does this really have an effect at all, seeing as GABA doesn't cross the BBB?

garuda
17-10-2007, 11:57
Does this really have an effect at all, seeing as GABA doesn't cross the BBB?

I guess thats a matter of opinion.

My opinion is that no it does not, and the real OTC supplement for GABA agonism is phenibut. The stuff feels like time released valium and works wonders for tapering off of GBL addiction.

center
17-10-2007, 12:57
Well jeez. It's certainly not a matter of opinion. It's a fact one way or the other. Does it, or doesn't it? I don't think personal chemistry is a factor with this one.

AuralAssassin
17-10-2007, 12:58
I finished 250ml over a month previous... just slowly...

then this time

It was more like a 14-15 day bender... 3 days of regular use 2.5 every 4 or so hours boost it.

no biggie... then I went on the 4ml every 2 hours just to not be shaking trip for 12 of those days.... I'd pass out and wake up vomiting and shaking and needing more or I felt like I might die. I know I couldn't pretend that way and be around people who loved me. They even told me on the way to the Hospital that they had come over to see how I was because I wasn't answering my phone.... I was pale and "not breathing" and when they touched me I started breathing again.

Turns out some people were ready to stage an intervention.

So should I look for phenibut?

is it legal and OTC in America?

center
17-10-2007, 13:15
Yes. It can't make you feel any worse I'm sure.
Yes. Try health food stores.

Avoid opiates and other depressants on it. Stimulants will be lessened in effect. Let us know how it goes.

AuralAssassin
17-10-2007, 13:19
I've also heard about Lyrica and things like that... would I be wise to return to the doctor and see about this anyway, as I have a sleep disorder(hence ODing all the time on GBL)??

center
17-10-2007, 13:51
Lyrica is generally perscribed for Diabetic Peripheral Neuropathy. Nerve pain.

Would it be wise to see a doctor? Fucks sake yes. Anything is more wise than drugging your sleep disorder and putting yourself at risk. There are more ways than medication to combat a sleep disorder. Routine changes, diet changes, drug changes. Talk to a doctor. Stop self medicating. It doesn't fucking work. It masks the problem. It does not treat it.

garuda
17-10-2007, 14:08
Well jeez. It's certainly not a matter of opinion. It's a fact one way or the other. Does it, or doesn't it? I don't think personal chemistry is a factor with this one.

Yea I agree about the differences in personal chemistry, I mean some people claim to gain effect from oral GABA but I don't. Should I call them liars? Same thing with loperamide.

center
17-10-2007, 14:13
I don't know actually. Maybe it is personal chemistry then. I just assumed that humans as a whole population would incorporate foreign produced chemicals into the bloodstream in the same way. Like, you know...it may have a pronounced effect varying greatly from your friend next to you...but in the end the route of absorbtion and processing?(dunno the medical term) of the chemical is the same.

If, that is, it even crosses the blood brain barrier.

El_Toro
17-10-2007, 16:01
It is funny, because I have re-lapsed into GBL binging today early morning. I could not fall asleep, so I knocked myself out. Woke up 2 and a half hours after dosing, with some very vivid dreams. I had actually passed out in a weird position, which had my shoulder screaming in pain. I did, in fact, dream about complaining from the nasty pain on my shoulder.

I woke up really horny, classic to me, and spent about 1 and a half hours looking for porn on the net. Then decided to call it a day, knocked myself out as I could not fall asleep at about 7:30 AM. Woke up 2 hours later, horny as fuck again and dizzy. Went to work for a few hours, came back and re-dosed this fucker just to feel spun out. I was on my way back from work thinking how I was fiending for the drug.

I am now feeling GBL intoxicated, but it allows me to forget about my current problems. It is not that I cannot deal with them, as I am cirrently solving them, it is simply that I cannot deal with the freaking 24/7 anxiety, especially since it does not allow me to fall asleep, and I cannot afford to be without sleep as whilst my professional schedule is not very hectic, I am training very hard for my given sport.

torontojew
17-10-2007, 16:37
GHB/GBL was the worst to beat for me. I feel sorry for anyone addicted.

indelibleface
17-10-2007, 18:59
You can get phenibut in health food stores in America? Where have I been?!

Seriously. I thought you had to order it.

garuda
17-10-2007, 19:51
You can get phenibut in health food stores in America? Where have I been?!

Seriously. I thought you had to order it.

Yea you can find it on shelves, but its still cheaper to order it online and cap it yourself.

As far as I can tell there are two popular brands one is almost pure phenibut but its quite pricey at least 30 dollars for 60 caps.
The other one has hardly any phenibut at all and is 20 for 60 caps.

Its better to just buy bulk powder online and cap it yourself.

El_Toro
17-10-2007, 20:12
I once ordered phenibut and did not mind the taste, for it was almost non-pallatable. Of course, I also felt nothing positive out of it, and at high doses it only gave me a big headache and inability to sleep that night.

I actually overdosed on 10 grams my first time, because the online supplier forgot to put a measuring spoon. It stroke me as weird as I knew that this crap was dosed in hundreds of mgs or perhaps one or two grams. Still, I went by the dosing guidelines assuming one spoon would be a teaspoon.

MDPVagrant
17-10-2007, 20:24
Hmm I tried phenibut and liked it quite a lot, but I stuck to very sane dosages... so I guess either because of that, or due to people reacting differently. It is definitely somewhat calming, so IMO would be a good tool to get off GBL (as long as you view it as just one tool of many).

hfrs
17-10-2007, 21:11
I think the best idea is continuing with a doc, let them supervise the benzo's if you've had an alcohol problem in the past. That's part of why i stay away from benzos, i can't handle EtOH, so i know i can't do benzos.

garuda
17-10-2007, 22:00
I have used phenibut to get off of GBL without the sleepless nights and days of crawling up the walls. It doesn't replace GBL but it does sedate you slightly and at least allows you to sleep.

IMHO phenibut has no recreational potential, but is good for GABA agonist WD.

AuralAssassin
17-10-2007, 23:34
Just woke up from 8 hours of real sleep with a rather achey stomach. going to take a few tokes to see if it will calm me. if I can do without the Ativan, I'll save them for sometime when I actually need them. If it makes me start breathing hard again, I'll know I wasn't back to normal.

Last night I had actually gotten to a point of relative calm, in which I felt better than I normally do, after taking a few hits of some weed while on the tail end of the Ativan.

Sleep came soon after. I took 2 benydryl antihistamines with 1mg ativan and was asleep in 20 minutes.

almost exactly 8 hours. now I'm just hungry. slight nausea.

I wasn't taking any of this stuff to really get fucked up. I mainly just needed to sleep and enjoyed the effects and pushed them to far. How little time it took me to go completely overboard is what worried me the most. For that reason, I cannot recommend GBL to anyone.

The potential for abuse is HIGH.
The dose requirement is LOW.
The urge to take more is HIGH.

Thanks for all the help. I'll look online for phenibut, and hopefully won't ever need it.

MethaContin
18-10-2007, 00:16
I am a recovering alcoholic, so I can't do that. I wish, but I'd be right back with the shakes and on benzos again...

p.s. is the amount of Benzo's I'm taking...

20mg over the course of 4ish days enough that I need to be concerned with possible withdrawl from that stuff?

should I gradually space them out?

No you will be fine, you should FEEL NO WITHDRAWALS............:)

drunken_etard
18-10-2007, 00:55
Getting help ASAP was the right thing to do. You should be proud of yourself.


yeah, i agree

narutokun
18-10-2007, 01:52
please keep comments positive or at least constructive, if you don't have anything nice to say .... you know that one! H

center
18-10-2007, 01:54
^Omg

collegekid
18-10-2007, 04:14
removed

Can we get a mod to handle this shit already?

Please report posts like the above, quoting them just makes it worse, gets the thread further derailed and makes more work for us, click report and move on and life will be good.

center
18-10-2007, 04:26
Well, you know what they say! Rome wasn't built in a day! ROFLTICKET!

garuda
18-10-2007, 07:00
Although this is a controversial issue I think everyone for their own health and well being should convert GBL into GHB if you plan to use it at all regularly.

It may be a difference in body chemistry but I have been able to just walk away from GHB habits without any symptoms that I would call excruciating, not so with GBL. GBL almost from the start becomes a cycle of dosing just to avoid the horrible rebound and WD effects.

About half of people seem to share my opinion and half do not, but I think GHB long history of use in humans should say something for its safety.

[Edit: Synthesis discussion removed -sonic]

Please GBL users give GHB a try and see for yourself, you have nothing to lose.

El_Toro
18-10-2007, 10:20
I think the main problem with GBL vs GHB stems from the fact that GBL kicks in faster and stronger, hence it requires more frequent dosing. Perhaps it could be made an analogy with crack vs cocaine.

Other than that, I am not sure to what point turning it to GHB is a better option. GHB contains a lot of sodium itself, so if you are going to be abusing it, all that sodium can cause health problems.

AuralAssassin
18-10-2007, 14:53
Ok, a bit of an update...

the first day, immediately back from the Hospital...

I came home and downed another 2mg of Ativan on top of the 2 they gave me there. I really had some vivid waking nightmares and carnival of carnage shit going on.

like benzo's do, the days kinda dragged on with no real point that was special to me... just blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah for 2 days.

went to work last night and was anxious as hell, but only took .5 mg, so I could be completely functional, and had the bottle and someone to take over for me if I spazzed out...

as the night wore on, I took the other .5.... 8 hours later I feel completely normal, aside from being tired from working all night. however, I feel like I'm on speed of some kind. most likely, I'll take a sleep aid, or one last ativan and take a nap, then save the rest of the for a rainy day... this weekend seems like it might rain. in either case, this was mighty humbling.

thanks very much for the input.

center
18-10-2007, 15:48
Although this is a controversial issue I think everyone for their own health and well being should convert GBL into GHB if you plan to use it at all regularly.

It may be a difference in body chemistry but I have been able to just walk away from GHB habits without any symptoms that I would call excruciating, not so with GBL. GBL almost from the start becomes a cycle of dosing just to avoid the horrible rebound and WD effects.

About half of people seem to share my opinion and half do not, but I think GHB long history of use in humans should say something for its safety.

[Edit: Synthesis discussion removed -sonic]

Please GBL users give GHB a try and see for yourself, you have nothing to lose.

This is not a smart thing to suggest.

I would recommend no one attempting this.

GBL breaks down into GHB in the body. I've read through some of our most respectable outlets that there is not difference?

"trouble" seems like an operative word here.


Please be careful.


Tobacco has had a long use in humans as well. We all know that to be terrible. Exceptions aren't rules!

narutokun
18-10-2007, 19:44
hospitalization from gbl w/ds really awesome.

center
18-10-2007, 19:50
What?

garuda
18-10-2007, 23:11
This is not a smart thing to suggest.

I would recommend no one attempting this.

GBL breaks down into GHB in the body. I've read through some of our most respectable outlets that there is not difference?

"trouble" seems like an operative word here.


Please be careful.


Tobacco has had a long use in humans as well. We all know that to be terrible. Exceptions aren't rules!

Well of course the best thing to do is not do GBL or GHB at all, but if you are going to be using GBL regularly what do you have to loose by converting one batch to GHB? Do a search here and on the GHB newsgroup you will see many long time users arguing both for and against GHB being less addictive.

Xyrem is pharmaceutical grade GHB used to treat narcolepsy with cataplexy, normal doses are 4-8 grams a night. At this level it is not considered addictive and is safe unless you are on restricted sodium intake.
GBL has never been used medically at all.

center
19-10-2007, 00:35
No comment.

EarlGrey
19-10-2007, 01:27
Found this interesting, guess it's just with GBL that one gets that sort of withdrawl, as used GHB for 6 months twice every evening, 3 hours between doses and experienced no withdrawl whatsoever and they were pretty healthy doses. Had a break of a couple of months and now just have it for kicks now and then or sometimes not at all. Occasionally, just to ensure sleep if amphet was taken.


GHB is not considered addictive although a lot of supposedly neutral American drug info sites wouold have you believe otherwise and release vasts amounts of bullshit to boot.


GBL does convert to GHB in the body but it is apparently harsh on your kidneys in the process. Wouldn't recomend taking GBL regularly but don't know too much about it other than it being an excellent cleanser and paint stripper and one of the more enviromentally friendly solvents too.

GHB conversion would be an infinately better choice.

center
19-10-2007, 01:32
mods. H-a-r-m R-e-d-u-c-t-i-o-n!

thedeadlywar
19-10-2007, 01:52
Hold on, I'm going to go start up my microwave, rofl! Not really though, that's stupid.

garuda
19-10-2007, 06:56
mods. H-a-r-m R-e-d-u-c-t-i-o-n!

We're talking about personal experience with converting a drug to what some consider a less addictive form and a form with a longer history of safe use.
Isn't that the entire spirit of harm reduction?

center
19-10-2007, 07:03
It's an illegal drug from a legal drug. That is harmFUL. I would say so. Yes. If you enjoy anal virginity and freedom. I do!

garuda
19-10-2007, 08:25
Well I'll agree with you there, I was speaking health wise.

EarlGrey
19-10-2007, 12:15
It's an illegal drug from a legal drug. That is harmFUL. I would say so. Yes. If you enjoy anal virginity and freedom. I do!

Well a lot of the forum is with reference to illegal drugs and experiences of said drugs. A large section of society use drugs regularly and will continue to do so, legality is neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things. (If there was ANY sense to these laws then tobacco would be listed as the most horrnedous of drugs as it is known to kill millions each year and maim many thousands of others, yet it is legal, I can walk down my street and buy it at a number of places - The drug policies are senseless) That said, while other drugs are illegal, extra care has to be taken so as an otherwise law abiding citizen does not end up with a criminal record (which is in fact criminal in itself).

I wanted to upload a file about a year of testing of GHB at levels up to 9gms per day and where no withdrawl was experienced but it looks like Bluelight doesn't have that option (I just joined). That said, I'll upload to a file sharer and link up to it. It is an interesting read.

The fact is people will continue to use drugs, they have done throughout history and will continue to do so. Surely, legalisation would result in purer products, greater care and advice from specialised pharmacies dispensing such resulting in employment, taxation of drugs would raise much needed cash yet the drugs would be cheaper than they are now, significantly so, and all of that money wasted on a Drug War that the states is now on would be saved and could be used in some amazing ways to better the lives of all and sundry.

Also, it would take billions of dollars per year out of criminal hands.
The US should understand that prohibition of products that a large section of society wants is an ill conceived idea. Prohinbition of alcohol was what rocketed the Mafia from a bunch of street hoodlums to a major organisation that has influence in many areas of society and politics too.

The main supporters of the drug war are the criminal gangs themselves, they do a very nice business out of it while it is illegal.


The following article may be of interest as it is related to the above. The link is to a major respected UK national newspaper, sadly, I don't have the picture which was a full front cover of this newspaper but will link if I can find it; however, the story is here...

:) http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article3061121.ece :)

Fishface
19-10-2007, 12:54
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center
19-10-2007, 17:22
OK EarlGrey. You kind of came in the topic at the wrong point. I'm not going to screw anyone over. Drink tea all day bitches!

If all drugs are legalized, this world is fucking over with.

Say what you want about the "novelty" dissapearing. The addiction potential nor the rewarding effects won't dissipate.

It's very immature and primal to want them legalized. Sounds like a fourteen year old response, irreguardless of long term effects.

"LEGALIZE IT". We're not in the 80s anymore and life is not a Sublime song.

iameatingjam
19-10-2007, 17:40
For OTC solutions I'd just try to get some melatonin, valerian root and try to sleep it off.

But first try to get more ativans.