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delphinen
11-06-2007, 03:03
This has been my first 24 hours without opiates/opioids and im having suicide feelings, depression, and on top of that, terrible sweating. Im trying to go cold turkey.
Should I take some Codeine tonight to help me sleep, or try to do it without it?
what can I do about the terrible sweating?
Any help would be very appreciated.

Free
11-06-2007, 04:07
if you're reEEEALLLy trying to kick you should stay away from that codeine, but tbh man if it were me and i got through the day opiate free i'd reward myself with a good night of sleep by gettin faded!

as for the sweats i don't know of anything but showering.

Fried Man
11-06-2007, 10:31
With no medication, I got 3 hours of sleep or less for 13 days straight. Insomnia is expected when withdrawaling. Benadryl worked for me after 13 days.

blase deviant
11-06-2007, 12:37
Immodium helps for some.

jasoncrest
11-06-2007, 19:29
The symptoms you have are usual Opiate withdrawal symptoms. They will go away in a few days, but the anxiety and depression/suicidal feeling will last.

Don't take Codeine, it's just another Opiate/Opioid, if you want to take Codeine, why not take Tramadol? They are both Opiates/Opioids, maybe just as strong.
If you decided to go cold-turkey, you mustn't use any Opiate/Opioid to ease the pain.

But I think you should get some medications:
- Buy Loperamide, and take at least 4mg every 4 hours
- Diphenhydramine and Melatonin can help you sleep; and Diphenhydramine can help removing the sweats.
- Can you get Rx drugs such as Benzodiazepines? Clonidine? Muscle-relaxants?

phr
11-06-2007, 20:28
^
Jason's right. The psychological affects of opiate wd's can last quite a while. 6+ month's isn't uncommon. But, keep in mind that the length is dependant on what, how much, and how long you've used. Also, each person may react differently.

My advice would be to take up some new activities. Exercising, work, or even just a hobby will help with the depression etc. That's obviously in regards to the psychological issues.

Jason has good advice for the physical effects...

delphinen
11-06-2007, 21:48
Thanks for the replies. My principal problem is the physical feeling right now.
Im at work, and even moving a finger its so painful. The cold flashes paralyzes me, suddenly I get hot flashes, then I start melting myself (sweating), then the cold flashes again.. its horrible... and yet, difficult to explain in words... its something that paralyzes me.
I would like to know when this will end.
Yesterday I was able to sleep with 60mg Codeine and 350mg Carisoprodol.
I will *try* to not take Codeine tonight.

zzITCHY420zz
11-06-2007, 23:48
if you're still near the peak of your withdrawal, the codeine will only prolong your suffering with a laughable effect. make sure you eat well even if you can't, take vitamins, and for the cold, wear a sweater that will absorb all that cold sweat if you get too hot :)

sonic
12-06-2007, 01:43
On the one hand, taking a small dose of codeine can prolong the withdrawal. On the other hand it will help you sleep and give you temporary relief. There are other things that could help you sleep instead. You should try an antihistamine, or a benzo to knock yourself out. In my experience, falling asleep isn't the worst part of withdrawal. Insomnia can be cured even with OTC meds. it's the depression, anxiety, and flu-like symptoms during the day that suck the most.

All the advice in this thread is good. Immodium, benzos, muscle relaxers, and anti-histamines are some of the best withdrawal aids.

Fried Man
12-06-2007, 01:51
The chills and sweats lasted 2 weeks for me. Insomnia was two weeks for me as well. The worst was the leg pains, feelings of restlessness, achey muscles, all in my legs, lasted a month. I have not heard of anyone suffering for more than a month from the physical withdrawal symptoms. Most people are functional after two weeks. Methadone is a different story though, My friend suffered for a good two months from constant physical withdrawal symptoms when trying to kick methadone.

adder
12-06-2007, 02:36
I will advice you not to take any centrally acting opioids at all. Codeine just makes the withdrawal go away for a while but at the end of the day you will suffer even more if you're going cold turkey. Well, 60mg is not much. When I tried to taper off morphine with codeine, I started very high like 600mg and finished at 200mg. Then I began going higher and higher and stayed dependant on opiates, injected i.m. codeine. Then got back on morphine and stronger drugs, it's a fucking closed circle.

I know it's hard to keep clean when you can't shut yourself for two weeks and go through the worst. Anyway, depending on the size of your addiction, it may last for a few weeks but I guess it's one of the first withdrawals if not the first seeing how you're worrying yourself so just tell yourself it'll be gone soon. Just a week or two price. Don't give up! The relief will come.

Concerning meds for insomnia, some sedative benzodiazepines are the best for me with no unpleasant side effects which you might get from first generation antihistamines. They do cause dry mouth and some other anticholinergic but they do nothing for sweating in my case. If you stay low on dose and you use it only at the beginning, then even half your dose, there should be no problem quitting it totally after the worst is gone. It's a good idea to chill oneself out during the day as well but if you can't get two benzodiazepines, one for anxiety and one for sleep, diazepam or temazepam are pretty much universal in my experience and will do the job if you have no tolerance. I personally prefer lorazepam for anxiety and estazolam for sleep. They will also help for restless legs and muscle spasms.

For sweating, you should be able to get some OTC antiperspirants with >15% aluminium chloride. It should start working after a few days and you will probably sweat less. I know how uncomfortable it is, especially if it's hot outside, you get cold flashes and shivers and sweat. Terrible thing but it will go away and that medicine is really effective. I would end up with wet sleeves after an hour and it helped me a lot.

For pain, just stick to OTC medicines. They don't do much if you're used to opiates but hell, that's paradoxically not the worst symptom of withdrawal.

Wish you much luck!

DustnRoses
12-06-2007, 02:40
hey guys, im not sure if any of you remember me, but ive been off and on the board for the past year or so. i saw this thread and thought id chime in. I took my last dose of suboxone 9 days ago, and my last hit of heroin 2 weeks ago. now, i dont know about most of you, but for me, thats HUGE. the suboxone is what saved me...i cant say it enough. if you have ANY way, either through a doctor or a friend or a drug dealer, seriously, any way of getting your hands on even ONE 8 mg pill, jump all over that offer, you'll be so happy you did. i've been smoking tar for a while now...and i used like 6 mg's, and wd's were minimal, if that. i felt good by the 3rd or 4th day, and now i feel completely normal. I've just been taking 500 mg's of L-Tyrosine each morning, and a multi vitamin.
seriously, if i can do it, anyone can. you just have to make that decision and stick with it.

delphinen
12-06-2007, 03:15
Thank you all very much for your help.
Tonight I will achieve my third night without massive doses of Tramadol, Codeine and Hydro. Will try to do it with 350mg Carisprodol and 50mg Diphenhydramine (I still dont know if I should take the 60mg Codeine or not... its so difficult. For some reason I dont feel like taking Tramadol at all when I want to sleep, but Codeine.. Codeine its another thing). I will also try to get some Loperamide.

How long should it take my body to detox to at least stop feeling the physical feeling (chills, sweats, etc.) based on the opiates/opioids I have done? I started like four months-half a year ago with Tramadol->Codeine->Hydro (but very little Hydro, didnt feel too much last times).

Thanks again for the replies.

Slid
12-06-2007, 03:26
Am I the only one that got massive relief from depression and anxiety from smoking pot during withdrawals? Pot helped me keep a positive perspective and relaxed me (that might just be me). I also kept a few nitrous chargers around. That helped. It wasn't like the nitrous gave me relief for a long period of time --but it did give me almost total relief (for a couple of minutes) and a very positive perspective on my predicament.
Sweat- I would just keep a bunch of towels around and switch them after they got soaked. The sweater idea I read above was good too. Get a few of those and rotate to the dry one whenever it gets soaked. Think of the sweat as the junk leaving your system and thus ending your WD's sooner. Then it's not just a bother.

A big thing that kept me going was thinking about everything that I had that would suck sooooo much more if I didn't have. ( like dry towels/ dry clothes/ a working shower/bathtub/ a benzo:) or two=D ) It might seem silly but it works. Imagine going through WD's in a cold concrete cell with some asshole telling you about Jesus (no offense JC). Thoughts like that lifted my spirit and made my surroundings and conditions seem better.
If you have a truly good friend that you can talk to--- DO THAT! Cry! Whine! moan! It's alot better than sitting in a room feeling like every little problem in your life is something to kill yourself over ( I realize you might have some real problems I just remember how much my small probelems were magnified during WD's)

paranoid android
12-06-2007, 07:12
God opiate withdrawals such don't they. Is it just me or do they keep getting worse and worse the more often you go through them?

Anyway i find that when im suffering from mild withdrawals i tend to sleep all the time. As in 16 to 20 hour's a day. When i have really bad withdrawals i find it hard to sleep unless i take alot of sedatives because im in so much pain. All i can do is lie in bed and count down the hours of when this will be over. Then when the withdrawals are over you have to deal with the boredom and everything else that comes along with the post withdrawal sickness. It's like you can't get any pleasure out of life at all.

I actually found codeine to be great at helping me get off stronger opiates like morphine and oxycodone. I found it to be especially good at getting me off morphine which only makes sense because codeine metabolizes into morphine. Id often be 3 day's in which is generally the worst day then id take about 120 to 180mg's of codeine and id be pretty well fixed up. Not enough to get me high just enough to stop the sickness and atleast let me eat, get up enough energy to shower and hold the food in me without running for the toilet 5 minutes later with my guts falling out. Codeine is great for stopping diarrhea because it's about the most constipating opiate out there.

Sometime i would taper off the stronger opiates using 30mg codeine tablets. The ones with no acetaminophen or anything else in them and this worked pretty good for me. It made the ordeal fairly painless. But i think i metabolize codeine abit better then most people because i can get high off it even after being on stronger opiates for a long time.

As for the depression id get this so bad that i was almost psychotic. Everything would just seem utterly hopeless and i would sometimes go into a rage. But i have bipolar disorder so it would only stand to reason that withdrawals would make my moods even more wacky.

I found seroquel to be great at helping with withdrawals because it helps the depression and general headfuck of opiate withdrawal and it makes the withdrawals less noticeable for some reason. It also calms you right down and can help you sleep during the worst phase of opiate withdrawals. It's much better for sleep then benzos atleast for me and it's really great for sleep when combined with a small dose of a benzo.

I use clonazepam which im already scripted, neurontin which im already scripted, and seroquel which i used to be scripted but always have a supply on hand for emergencies to help with the withdrawals. I just use more of the clonazepam and neurontin during withdrawals then i normally do.

Ive never had carisoprodol but if it's as good as a benzo at relaxing your muscles it should help with the aches and pains.

cashtothemoney
12-06-2007, 07:15
As always, I'd like to recommend people to check out the OTC comfort meds guide over at TPC!. Link is below:

http://www.thatspoppycock.com/addiction/otc_comfort_meds.htm

jasoncrest
12-06-2007, 19:07
Thank you all very much for your help.
Tonight I will achieve my third night without massive doses of Tramadol, Codeine and Hydro. Will try to do it with 350mg Carisprodol and 50mg Diphenhydramine (I still dont know if I should take the 60mg Codeine or not... its so difficult. For some reason I dont feel like taking Tramadol at all when I want to sleep, but Codeine.. Codeine its another thing). I will also try to get some Loperamide.

How long should it take my body to detox to at least stop feeling the physical feeling (chills, sweats, etc.) based on the opiates/opioids I have done? I started like four months-half a year ago with Tramadol->Codeine->Hydro (but very little Hydro, didnt feel too much last times).

The physical symptoms of withdrawal will be over in a few days, if you don't take Codeine anymore! By taking it, you only extend the withdrawal.

Replace it by Loperamide, it will take care of many physical discomforts such as diarrhea and maybe the cold sweats too (many people swear that it removes ALL physical symptoms... it's worth trying I think)

Try to sleep with Carisoprodol, as you seem to have access to it (and Diphenhydramine also).
If you can't sleep, you should take another Carisoprodol pill rather than Codeine.

You're going to make it!
It will be over in a few days.
Good luck!

delphinen
12-06-2007, 19:42
Its being more difficult than I thought, but I appreciate your help a lot, it really helps me to believe it will end someday.

Yesterday I took 475mg Carisoprodol and 50mg Diphenhydramine to get to sleep, and it worked at first, but then I woke up 2 hours later in the night, with the chills, almost freaking out, man it was so horrible.
I got up and ran to get a Codeine pill (60mg Codeine/300mg Acetaminophen) and half of a Carisoprodol pill (175mg). I think I was able to sleep again in 15'.
I slept like 12 hours straight and missed work :(
Now I got up and had some meat and potatoes (forced myself to eat) but now im feeling sooo cold and bad. Also I think the depression is coming stronger... the fact im missing my job doesnt help.
Man, I didnt thought withdrawal from weak opiates/opioids would be so cruel, this is close to the worst I have ever feel in my life.
Again, thank you all for your replies. I'll try to get some benzos for tonight...

hfrs
12-06-2007, 20:17
A lot of us understand exactly what you are feeling and going through, it is truly on of the most horrible experiences there is! A few comments for ya though...

Everyone that has told you that by taking the codeine you are extending the w/drawal is correct. If you really can't manage the cold turkey kick, you may be better off tapering your codeine over a few weeks rather than doing it CT.

One thing that helps me is having gone through this many, many times and coming off much stronger opiates at higher doses is understanding what is going on and how long it will last. Typically, and this would be true for codeine, from 24-48 hours is the absolute worst physically. You can get through this with benzos, lope or any of the other recommended drugs, but either way, it's going to suck, a lot!

Once you pass the 48 hour mark, without ANY opiates, you will gradually start to feel physically better. After the 24 hours of hell, any little bit helps! With such a short duration or your use and the drug you used, the physical should be over around day 3. As mentioned, the mental-shitty feeling takes a bit longer to go.

Everytime you take that nighttime dose, you are almost starting the clock over- so you're turning a 3 day hell into however many days you've been at this. If a taper isn't an option, look into a bupe or other detox- you can detox very quickly, especially from codeine.

Also keep in mind, the farther you go with this (using more and stronger opiates), the worse the w/drawal is. I'm sure it feels like the worst thing you've been through, but trust me it can get much, much more painful and worse! Good luck!

jasoncrest
12-06-2007, 23:35
I think that a lot of withdrawal symptoms you are going through are caused by the SSRI action of Tramadol too, as Tramadol is an Opioid AND a SSRI.

Almost everything that has been said in this thread applies to Opioid withdrawal; I don't know how to deal with SSRI withdrawal.

I think that the worst part of physical Opioid withdrawal will be over in maybe 72 hours; but the SSRI withdrawal can last longer.

Maybe taking a SSRI during a few days can help? Can you get Prozac, Zoloft or any SSRI? I think it's the most easy thing to get. I've never seen a doc refusing prescribing a SSRI...

delphinen
13-06-2007, 00:21
I think that a lot of withdrawal symptoms you are going through are caused by the SSRI action of Tramadol too, as Tramadol is an Opioid AND a SSRI.

Almost everything that has been said in this thread applies to Opioid withdrawal; I don't know how to deal with SSRI withdrawal.

I think that the worst part of physical Opioid withdrawal will be over in maybe 72 hours; but the SSRI withdrawal can last longer.

Maybe taking a SSRI during a few days can help? Can you get Prozac, Zoloft or any SSRI? I think it's the most easy thing to get. I've never seen a doc refusing prescribing a SSRI...

You may be right, that would explain why Diphenhydramine helps me a lot (it has SSRI properties.. back when I used it to get high, I would have never thought it would help me someday with an opiates/opioids withdrawal).
Well, I spent most of the day on bed, watching TV or using the laptop. I think I started to feel a little better.
At one moment, I was feeling really normal, I thought I was already cured (yes, im a fool) so I woke up and got dressed to go out and buy some food. When I was ready to go out, the chills and sweat suddenly started, so I abandoned my idea, and went back to bed.
Now im feeling a little better again. Im thinking ordering some pizza tonight (I feel so pathetic).
At least I havent used Codeine since yesterday night.
Unrelated question: I have some Ritalin (Methylphenidate) around there, could I use it to cheer me up?

paranoid android
13-06-2007, 02:40
I don't think a stimulant especially ritalin would be a good idea as of yet. Id say it would be pretty bad considering your still going through acute withdrawal. More then likely you would just feel like shit, find it even harder to sleep, and lose whats left of your appetite. You want something to calm you down now not make you hyper.

It might be of use when your over the opiate withdrawals and just have the post withdrawal depression. Then it could cheer you up.

Ive also been tricked into thinking that my opiate withdrawals where over and i was back to normal. When your starting to feel better you don't notice it much when yor lying down in bed but when you get up the chills and tiredness hits you.

thugpassion
13-06-2007, 04:46
To the OP, be thankful those are your most noticable wd symptoms. I agree the long depresion can be the fuckin worst. But be happy if your not puking, and twitching. And did you say the First 24 hours? get ready for a long ride the fun is just begining. Fuck the coldturkey, IF you have some codine, EAT THAT SHIT!

privatecaller
13-06-2007, 06:07
good luck buddy, be strong! we're here 4 u

sonic
13-06-2007, 06:12
Hang in there. You're doing really good so far. You should start to feel better soon, in a couple days you should be able to go out and function somewhat normally. It might take a long time for you to get back to your "normal" self. The lingering effects from withdrawal can last for quite a while. Things like depression, anxiety, and even some physical effects like muscle soreness, occasional diarrhea, etc. can take well over 5 days to go way. Personally I would avoid stimulants because the comedown from them can suck. Most people agree that stims are a bad idea during acute opiate withdrawal, however there are a few people who still can enjoy stimulants to some extent while going through withdrawal. It's just a matter of preference.

mukant666
13-06-2007, 06:31
i feel you man. I'm going through minor opiate withdrawals right now too. i got mostly restless legs and haven't gotten much sleep for a few nights so far. damn.

delphinen
14-06-2007, 15:29
Well, im a lot better now. I can go out and have returned to work, actually typing this from the office.
I still have some mild chills, and still sweat a little when walking on the street, but its bearable.
I want to thank you guys for posting in this thread, you really helped me a lot in the painful detox proccess. I want also to mention that Diphenhydramine has proved to be an awesome drug for the withdrawal; as someone said in this thread, the SSRI effects, the antihistamine reaction, and the sedative properties of the drug, made those depression thoughts, chills and sweats a lot less painful.

Now I just wonder how much will it take for me to return to opiates/opioids...

ElHefe
14-06-2007, 22:39
throw your codeine away when you get home. Its the only way you'll be able to stop your cravings for it

malfunkshun
14-06-2007, 22:57
Congrats on slogging through most of your WD's, delphinen. However I still have a little bit of advice to offer. For the night sweats, I have found that it helps to point a fan directly at me at full blast while I'm sleeping, and just use a sheet to cover with. This might be kind of cold, but if you can get to sleep it helps a lot and you don't wake up nearly as soaked.

As far as amphetamines go... these things (adderalls, don't know about ritalin) will completely knock out withdrawals for a few hours. The benefit is that it isn't an opiate, so you're not lenghening your WD process. The down side is that coming off of an amphetamine high sucks, especially when going through withdrawals. However, I have used adderall to help with WD's before. I look at it like this... I'm going to feel like shit, with or without the adderall. If I can feel really good for a few hours a day, I'm all for that.

It's also been mentioned in this thread and other threads that loperamide is very helpful for WD's. I couldn't agree more. When going through acute withdrawal (similar in intensity to what you described delphinen) high doses of loperamide, for me, is a godsend. I will take 12 mg every 30 minutes or so to an hour, until I have taken about 50-60 mg. It will almost completely knock out most withdrawals, to the point of making me feel pretty normal, and almost 'good'. I guess I'm lucky that I don't suffer any ill effects from loperamide whatsoever in high doses... no stomach cramps, no constipation, no 'tangled guts'.

Good luck on your continuing detox.

sarbanes
15-06-2007, 00:23
A proper taper is truly the key to a relatively painless withdrawl. But you want a little pain (theres benefit in having that), but not too much. You'll know when your pretty much withdrrawn, as you'll almost cream your panyz just thinking about it. Its actually a bit annoying.

DaymasZ
15-06-2007, 04:23
Try to wait until you cannot stand it and take HALF of whatever dose you normally get high on. TAPER?
That will put you out of horrible pain - but you wont be high or satisfied.
Then tomorrow wait till you cant stand it and take HALF of whatever you did yesterday.
This will lead you to quit and stay sorta content, compaired to total cold turkey. Your just not prepaired if you try to cold turkey - IMHO folks.

However Goodluck man hang in there - if you prove me wrong we can drink a few beers and try to find some tight pussy.

Weed and/or Beer never hurt if its bad.

DaymasZ
15-06-2007, 04:35
A proper taper is truly the key to a relatively painless withdrawl. But you want a little pain (theres benefit in having that), but not too much. You'll know when your pretty much withdrrawn, as you'll almost cream your panyz just thinking about it. Its actually a bit annoying.

I can just say that when I finally quit my almost 2 years of snorting black tar heroin I just said THANK FUCKING GOD. There are so many better drugs that once they run course wont make you sick and wanting more.

Ectasy was a drug where the next day or two almost was like a nice little dream and life was at peace. It left me but I was totally fine to be sober for the next 2 days to just relax and see where god takes me"" to quote Herold and Kumar.

I just said enough of drugs where they suck so bad - after finally getting off the god shitty poppy plants. :X

sonic
15-06-2007, 04:54
^ I wish I could share your views. To me opiates provide the best, most consistent high and I find myself going back to them time and time again. The pain of withdrawal doesn't seem to be enough to keep me away. The death of my best friend from opioid overdose wasn't enough to make me quit. I am addicted because I really think opiates provide the best high. Withdrawal fucking sucks, but drugs like tramadol and kratom are still legal and they can help a lot when you need to quit. I also agree that anti-histamines can help a lot, as do benzos.

On a side note, MDA/MDMA are good too, they just aren't consistent enough and you can't get the same great high from them every time you dose properly. The set and setting matters a lot even with the pure MDMA for me. I guess I've suffered a little, "loss of magic." These days I prefer MDA over MDMA. I don't normally hallucinate from MDA either, it just feels like stronger MDMA to me.

StartedHydro
15-06-2007, 05:07
If I was you I would try a slow taper rather than cold turkey....if at all possible(a supply and will power). Tapering will slowly allow your body to adjust to the sudden lack of opiates. You will still encounter some very mild withdrawal symptoms but if you keep yourself busy they could be hardly noticable.

The sudden stopping of opiate abuse as your finding out will produce some very uncomfortable physical symptoms such as feverish feelings, stomach cramps, restless legs(arms), anxiety, loss of hunger, bone pain, joint pain, chills, vomiting, depression, loss of pleasure. Most of these usually disappear withing four to six days(depending on the half life of the opiate in question). The depression could last somewhat longer...varies from person to person and strength of opiate.

I would taper and get a supply kit and keep yourself busy and your mind off of opiates.

Some things that can help during withdrawal.

Vitamins
Rhodiola rosa
Tyrosine
immodiuom
exercise
video games
reading
good tv shows
a very supporting partner
anti-anxiety pills


The biggest thing for me was a gradual taper with the use of xanax. I tapered down my opiate usage and at night would take some xanax to aide in anxiety control and the help of sleep(Do not stay on this for a long period as you can become addicted to these). I also had to cut ties with some people, I joined the gym, picked up some extra shifts at work, and reopened old relationships that I cut due to my habbit.

Its a very hard ordeal to overcome..its not going to be easy at all. If you dont succeed the first time..dont seat it..most dont. It will probably take you a few attempts to actual quit for good. Dont get to hard on yourself if you cant just kick the habbit. It took you awhile to acquire this habbit and will take some time to right yourself and feel normal again without opiates.

It took me a good month to feel normal again after I quit my hydrocodone. The physical part ended within a few days(about 4-6) but the lack of pleasure from anything and depression lasted. As time passes and you start to take your mind off of the opiates and mental state...the bles will fade away. The less you think about it the better it becomes.

TheLoveBandit
29-06-2009, 21:35
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