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MIT blackjack strategy

Diego Blunt

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Can somebody please explain to me what these guys actually did ???? .... beyond the basic premise of counting cards using a high-low, plus-minus system ....

Do 'that guys' books describe the strategy in great detail, or just tell the story ??? Are they worth reading ???

How did the team work together ???

Can it work in a modern casino ???

Anyone up for a bluelight team ???

;)
 
Read Thirteen Against The Bank, if you can still find it at your local library. No card counting involved. You don't need a team and you'll never get kicked out, even when they see plain as day what you are doing. The key to all "ventures" is moderation. If you don't threaten the casino with breaking the table, they won't threaten you with breaking you.
 
ok thanks, i'll check that out for sure ...
yeah i guess if you go for it small time they will let it slide ...
btw - why don't you start a thread explaining and discussing the system in detail ... we can have numerous blackjack threads if they are attacked from differing angles .... i also know of a few other systems ... like this one for example:
http://www.casinoexploit.com/system.html
but i can't vouch for that as i've never tried it out ....
 
Winning at black jack is easy.. just start with like $5 and every time you lose you double your bet until you win and then start back at $5.

This is a perfect system.. provided there is no table limit or you're playing way under it ;)

Usually they have a nice minimum bet/table limit within range of each other to prevent this but I've gone to places where this made me a nice amount of money.
 
i'm reading "The World's Greatest Blackjack Book" right now. While oldschool, it has a playing method that is about 49.5% effective (win this much over thousands of hands). If you incorporate their card counting strategy, this number can go up to about 52%.

If you start playing with teams, you can make some real money and some even realer enemies.
 
Kul69 said:
Winning at black jack is easy.. just start with like $5 and every time you lose you double your bet until you win and then start back at $5.

This is a perfect system.. provided there is no table limit or you're playing way under it ;)
I cannot emphasise enough once again, NEVER double down on a loss. Casinos count on it.

I like blackjack as a game, but don't like it as much when playing for profit. Way too many variables. Aside from the odds, your hand depends not only on your own ability as a player, but on the ability of every other player at your table. I like picking games where your potential for profit is left strictly to odds and to your ability and will not be compromised by the ill versed player sitting two spots to your left. Enter roulette. Or, for that matter, any other game with as close to 50/50 odds as possible and where other people at the table do not influence the outcome, the dealt hand.

For those not able to get their hands on the book I previously mentioned, here is an excerpt from a write up I did in a past life. It is based mainly on the principle of the book, with a couple of additions and adjustments by yours truly. Fine tuning through experience, if you will.

Over the centuries, in a game of chance with odds closely approaching the 50/50 mark (or 1 in 2) most successful gamblers have followed a certain formula. It is called a "double down" system and it plays out something like this:

- If a loss occurs the player doubles the amount of the pevious bet on the next play in order to hopefully win back the loss. If a player looses again, then he/she doubles down again. Now it's a double of a double! The stakes grow high very fast on a losing streak. The player, having limited financial resources, is soon forced to quit if he encounters a long losing streak. No one can keep doubling forever! The table (casino), on the other hand has unlimited resources and wins simply by outlasting every player's wallet. Also, at any given time, the player risks losing all his capital, while hoping to win only the amount of his first bet.

Our first goal is to minimize the losses. We want to start off with as little money as possible. Remember, our goal is to make the table lose all of its money, not the other way around. First pick a favorite outside bet category (one of: red, black, even, odd, high or low). Now concentrate only on this category and ignore all the rest.

The Labouchere system:

Let us start with 10 betting units. Please note that this could be $10 at a '$1 minimum bet' table or $5 at a 50cent table and so on. Starting session is 10 units, set up as follows (on paper, dont worry you are allowed to use paper and pencil in every casino, in fact if you don't have one they will give you one if you ask, nicely)

1 2 3 4
Every bid is the sum of the outside units. First bet is

1 2 3 4

the sum of the outside units, 1 + 4 = 5. Bet is 5 units. If win occurs, cross out the outside units. In this example I will cross or score out. So, if win occurs we score out the outside units

1 2 3 4

Following, bet the sum of the remaining 'outside' units. In this case sum of 2 + 3 = 5. Bet is 5 units. If win occurs, score out the winning 'outside' units

1 2 3 4

Nothing remains, so we've just completed our session. Total winnings amount to original 10 units.

Now let's see what happens when a loss occurs. We start with 10 units

1 2 3 4

First bet is 1 + 4 = 5 units. First bet loses. When a loss occurs we add the amount of the last bet to our series. Our line then becomes

1 2 3 4 5

Next bet loses... our line becomes

1 2 3 4 5 6

Hold on! Do you notice something? We are doubling down after losing. While adding some logic to the insanity, a losing streak will still guarantee us an empty wallet (whether we started with $10 or $10,000). A winning completion of the series guarantees us a "generous" (ouch) win of 10 units. Some pros have won fortunes this way. Many, many more have lost their shirts. The simple reason being that the table has a much, much heavier wallet than any player and can therefore outlast almost all systems.

The Reverse Labouchere system:

What if the roles were reversed? What if the player had unlimited resources? Is that possible? As amazing as it may sound yes it is possible!

Let us take the same Labouchere system and try playing it in reverse. In other words, let's score out bets on losses and add-on bets on wins. We start with the same 10 units
1 2 3 4

A win occurs, we add on the amount of the last bet

1 2 3 4 5

another win occurs, our series becomes

1 2 3 4 5 6

a loss occurs, so we score out instead of adding

1 2 3 4 5 6

another loss

1 2 3 4 5 6

a win...

1 2 3 4 5 6 7

a loss...

1 2 3 4 5 6 7

a win...

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 4

another win...

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 4 8

... and so on.

Several things become apparent. If we hit a long losing streak and end up scoring/crossing out all of the units in our series we are never in any danger of losing more than the original 10 units. If, on the other hand we hit a winning streak, we run a very good chance of winning all the money that the table has to offer, or breaking the table. This is because we are using the table's own money against itself. In any given series, anything over the original starting 10 units came from the table, not from the player's wallet.

Congratulations ! The table's unlimited resources have just been placed in your hands. Losing streaks don't last forever, neither do winning streaks. However, as the table jumps from one to the other and back, we are forced to cross units, then add, then cross, then add again until our betting stakes (or uncrossed units) left are so large, that they are pushing the table limits. Now that you are playing with the table's money you are suddenly able to withstand the long unfavorable streaks, in wait for the favorable ones.

Don't take my word for it. Try it out on any even-steven game. Get a miniature roulette set, or play heads or tails with quarters, it matters little. The method above works equally well on blackjack, albeit you will have much more to keep track of there - your hand, the dealer's hand, all the other players' hands, etc, etc, etc. Plus there's that counting business. Why burden yourself with such a headache?

In conclusion, I'll say it again - never double down on a loss. When you do that, it's like saying "All in" to the dealer and the casino. The house has never turned down an "All in" bet. You lose!
 
can a senior mod or THR! please move all of the above posts to my 'doubling-up' thread, which i should have called 'doubling-down' ...

just kidding! keep it up guys ... sillyalien's post was a very interesting read :)
 
The MIT kids worked by basic card counting, which when done correctly makes blackjack the only casino game to work ever so slightly in your favor (except poker which isn't played against the house). Card counting does rely on a few things though, first, you've got to play PERFECTLY, this is almost impossible for most people. I'm not entirely sure why, but too often people follow their gut intuition when all the math has already been worked out for them. If playing to earn money blackjack should be mechanical and boring.

The basic premise behind card counting is that when the deck is loaded with certain cards the odds shift significantly to the player. During these hands the player must bet big in order to offset the previous losses that occur when the deck isn't in their favor.

second, casinos are installing many methods to prevent card counting or at least to make it considerably more difficult. i've seen a few casinos with an automatic deck shuffler that is employed every hand - effectively making card counting impossible - AND annoyingly speeding up the game. there is also the continually growing deck size - 4, 5 and 6 aren't that uncommon. by using this many decks and only burning through about half (depending on where the cut is) it makes counting difficult and greatly lowers your chances of having a situation where the deck is actually in your favor.

you need to find single or double deck blackjack in order to really have a chance at this.

third - to really make money you need to be bankrolled and have a team. the MIT kids worked by having one or two people at each table counting cards always betting the minimum bet. when the deck would get hot they'd give some sort of signal to one dude who was the real moneymaker. he or she'd strut around the tables in as though he were a big shot, and when he'd receive the signal take a seat and bet big.

if you play on your own you can only maximize your winnings so much. this is because if you do bet big when the deck is in your favor and start to win enough money you'll eventually be asked to leave. also while playing on your own, it is a very very slow process, casinos are designed to give its customers temporary ADD, patience is key.

and it has been mentioned above already, but DON'T DOUBLE DOWN ON A LOSS. Only increase your bet when the deck is in your favor. Blackjack is not a 50/50 game. Depending on where the deck is you can have a deck with odds very much not in your favor.
 
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