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EDIITOR
04-06-2009, 19:41
methamphetamine (speed)
Methamphetamine isn't speed, methamphetamine is crystal meth.
A stimulant drug primarily manufactured in North America

sunsetter
04-06-2009, 20:12
was in the que for awakenings in amsterdam last year,a squad o mean looking polite in almost riot gear at the head of the que letting the dogs sniff everyone,
i had a bag of 10 007`s down bollock level,=got through no problem,(im surprised they never heard my heart beating out of my chest though)...
rarely do they find pills by smell,i just reckon its more of how they see you react to the dogs,if you keep your head all will be well,
coke/speed etc is a diff story though.

eclipsedesign
04-06-2009, 22:05
Aye I'm wondering about them smelling liquid K...
Was planning on going travelling a bit in europe by train and was just wondering I put some liquid in a drinks bottle like it was a normal drink they'd stop me?

whoremoaning
05-06-2009, 12:29
Don't think dogs are trained to smell Ket/liquid Ket, but wouldn't really advise you taking some across europe with you either.

.Felix.
27-06-2009, 22:40
What about 2c compounds?

whoremoaning
27-06-2009, 22:46
Don't think they're generally trained to detect those either.

Ghostface
27-06-2009, 22:53
I think dogs are primarily trained to catch rapid changes in human behaviour. Adrenalin rush when you see 5 dogs in front of you and you are carrying.

sdbc
15-07-2009, 04:53
What about coca leaves? Will a sniffer be able to smell the cocaine in coca leaves?

Shambles
15-07-2009, 05:14
Probably not. Although the bushels of leaves tend to be a giveaway :D

Also, welcome to BL and EADD :)

Ringfinger
15-07-2009, 08:36
you guys should watch Never Get Busted Again.

Dog can't smell through anything, but smell can permeate through anything. So If you wer t owrap some weed with plastic wrap make sure no odor touches the outside of the plastic, and immediately bring it to a dog, it wont smell it.

But if u let it sit for a few hours or days and bring it to a dog the dog will more likely smell it since the odor was able to permiate through.

captain codshit
15-07-2009, 14:46
I would say the chances of dogs smelling 10pills etc is pretty low. Even if they are MDMA pills the smell of the binder in many good pills i've had masks the smell of the MDMA to me. Although you do get some pills that just smell of MDMA, like those hearts that flooded the u.k..

Just depends on your luck on the day really :\

Shambles
15-07-2009, 14:49
Even if they are MDMA pills the smell of the binder in many good pills i've had masks the smell of the MDMA to me.

Guessing your sense of smell isn't quite up to yer average sniffer dog's standard though ;)

captain codshit
15-07-2009, 15:06
Haha fair point!

A year ago at rockness though i got past them with 3grams of MDMA and an Oz of bud, granted it was VERY well wrapped up, but goes to shop they dont get everything..

Shambles
15-07-2009, 15:08
If you see my post a few pages back I can vouch for the fact that they miss fucktons of drugs (including 1/2 carrier bag full of weed in a cupboard they searched 8o) even without being well wrapped and hidden sometimes :D

Other times they nail you though. Very hit and miss :\

Red Arrow
15-07-2009, 17:43
dog fuckin pounced on me in london before when i had a half gram of strong coke in my wallet, luckily they didnt find it but it was a very close call.

Cornishman
15-07-2009, 18:07
I got stopped by the police walking down a cornish backlane before - they wanted to see I.D and I stupidly handed them my wallet with a gram in it.

Luckily, before they got a chance to rummage through my whole wallet - I distracted them by swiftly pointing out exactly where my I.D was. "Nah mate, it's in this bit" I said helpfully, smiling as I pointed to the front I.D compartment of my wallet.

They 'fell' for it, thank fuck!

Treacle
15-07-2009, 21:31
A group of us got searched by the dog at a ferry port in Ireland. I was the one with drugs down my boxers. Let's just say that my boxers were nearly full of something else, when they told me to stand still. It took one sniff and ran off. I had pills and all sorts. Perhaps an explosives dog?

BigMikeTheTerror
20-07-2009, 00:07
hello all!

so ok, a dog could be trained to smell acid, but it would be very, very uncommon right?

Wahslab
20-07-2009, 00:32
Yes, I think that is the general consensous Mike. Welcome to EADD too.

Going on about smells, I can smell good coke a mile off, OK, well maybe not an actual mile, but I have been known to ask friends about coke in their pockets before they have told me they have picked up, not even large amounts either.

I think drugs generally stink though, coke, MDMA, pips, meph all have very distinctive smells that you don't have to snort to get! *snip* My only grace was that people don't recognise the smells so it goes under the radar. I suppose its like seeing somene fucked up on a night out, before I was introduced to the drug scene I just assumed that everyone was drunk, then you get educated and see how people are really fucked!

davej
19-08-2009, 19:59
what about stuff like methadone,,i heard something about them getting false positives from methadone

Shambles
19-08-2009, 20:00
If you don't have a script for methadone it wouldn't be a fale positive ;)

I doubt dogs are specifically trained to sniff out methadone as it comes in so many forms - pills and various syrups - all of which would smell completely different.

(Disco~Biscuits)
19-08-2009, 20:03
some sniffer dogs are useless though, when i was at titp on the way in my and my mates were all standing beside a sniffer dog and we had over 2 o's of weed and a whack of caine and the dog didnt even notice lol.

davej
19-08-2009, 20:11
some sniffer dogs are useless though, when i was at titp on the way in my and my mates were all standing beside a sniffer dog and we had over 2 o's of weed and a whack of caine and the dog didnt even notice lol.

yeah i seen a chart somewhere and they tested 6 dogs and the highest success percentage was 50 ,, alot of substances were completely missed

specialspack
25-08-2009, 02:40
Sadly I no longer have the reference for this, but I once read a very enlightening article on the website of the US Department of Homeland Security, boasting about their abilities to train dogs to sniff out MDMA. The article said that they selected the top methamphetamine trained dogs, and further trained them to smell MDMA, and that it was quite a difficult process - they had a grand total of around 150 dogs in the entire USA. Which would make it fairly unlikely for you to encounter one.

This reinforces what others have said - it is possible to train dogs to smell for anything, but some things maybe harder to train for than others, and there is a list of priorities, with weed, coke and heroin at the top, and ketamine and 2Cs etc way at the bottom, or off the list altogether.

No09
01-02-2010, 17:53
I heard a story about a guy who was at the airport and was carrying a bit of weed on him. a sniffer dog handler came past and had 2 sniffer dogs. one sat down next to him but the handler was concentrating on the other one so before the handler noticed he gave the dog a quick backhander and it whimpered and walked away

PredatorVision
01-02-2010, 18:10
I walked through a station the other day with a load of LSD soaked sugar cubes in my bag, I got kind of worried at first though I didn't think it would be possible for them to smell it considering it was distilled with some kind of alcohol and on sugar.. would be strange for police dogs to be looking for either alcohol or sugar. I was more worried about something being left over in my bag from a previous time that may have caught the dog's attention and my bag being searched.

Tangerine Dream
01-02-2010, 18:17
I walked through the station the other day with 5 grams of coke, an oz of weed and a few grams of heroin and I saw a damn sniffer dog about 30 feet ahead. Luckily I also carry a cat with me on all drug runs, with bacon and steak segments strapped onto it. I let the cat out the bag so to speak, and flung it towards the dog, then made my escape. Full proof system ;)

The RZA
01-02-2010, 18:57
I always find trailing a line of 6 or 7 sausages behind me works a treat for evading these dogs.

Evad
01-02-2010, 19:19
I walked through a station the other day with a load of LSD soaked sugar cubes in my bag, I got kind of worried at first though I didn't think it would be possible for them to smell it considering it was distilled with some kind of alcohol and on sugar.. would be strange for police dogs to be looking for either alcohol or sugar. I was more worried about something being left over in my bag from a previous time that may have caught the dog's attention and my bag being searched.

dogs can be trained to sniff lsd and would be able to pick out the smell of lsd from the separate alcohol and sugar smells. they're just generally not trained to smell it.

you mean dissolved in alcohol not distilled in alcohol right? dogs are great at picking out different smells from one another

Tangerine Dream
01-02-2010, 19:31
Who invented dogs anyways? It's not like they have any use or are mans best friends! Hmmm a paradox, dogs are a mans best friends but a man who carriers drugs, worst enemy? *Ponders*

B9
01-02-2010, 20:32
The dogs aren't to blame it is the abuse of dogs by their owners that leads to this sorry paradox

PredatorVision
01-02-2010, 20:44
dogs can be trained to sniff lsd and would be able to pick out the smell of lsd from the separate alcohol and sugar smells. they're just generally not trained to smell it.

you mean dissolved in alcohol not distilled in alcohol right? dogs are great at picking out different smells from one another

yeah that'd be the one, sealed container from now on while traveling I think

Evad
01-02-2010, 20:49
sealed containers don't = smell proof either man :)

rincewindrocks
01-02-2010, 21:03
methamphetamine (speed)
Methamphetamine isn't speed, methamphetamine is crystal meth.
A stimulant drug primarily manufactured in North America

for the record, in NA speed refers to meth, we dont get amps on the street generally, unless ur talkin addies or other scripts

parttime crackhead
01-02-2010, 21:12
sealed containers don't = smell proof either man :)

Very true. It would be a bit too easy if all you had to do was stick your kilos of ching inside a tupperware box.

I'm pretty sure most people carry their drugs in a sealed container almost all of the time anyway.

PredatorVision
01-02-2010, 21:38
yeah, I guess im just going to be really paranoid from now on.

Public//Enemy
03-02-2010, 06:39
dogs in the UK are deff not trained to sniff for 2C compounds.

had a dog sniff my crotch on numerous occasions while carrying.

DzNutz
03-02-2010, 16:24
also dogs cannot be trained to smell everything.

there is no dog in the world that can smell all explosives, all hard drugs and all soft drugs.

Treacle
03-02-2010, 16:35
I think it's already been said, but I don't think any dog can be trained to smell explosives and drugs at the same time.

jancrow
03-02-2010, 17:04
Some things:

The dogs are trained by giving them a toy with a small package inside containing the substance they are being trained to detect. They bond with this toy and hence the substance, and associate the substance with play. This toy is taken from them from time to time and hidden during training exercises. I guess that this means you only have dogs which specialise in one substance.

The dogs apparently only have a concentration span on the job of about half an hour before they become rather useless and have to be taken off duty. So I guess that a lot of the time the dogs you see might not even be sniffers and are there to catch people who visibly freak out at the sight of them, or in the case of tube stations go up the up escalator and down the down escalator into the arms of the plainclothes downstairs.

Red Arrow
03-02-2010, 18:15
So I guess that a lot of the time the dogs you see might not even be sniffers and are there to catch people who visibly freak out at the sight of them, or in the case of tube stations go up the up escalator and down the down escalator into the arms of the plainclothes downstairs.

While there are definitely some drug dogs working with the police, there are DEFINITELY real drug dogs at tube stations (i know from personal experience of being detected by one while carrying a tiny amount of very expensive powder)

Evad
03-02-2010, 22:09
dogs in the UK are deff not trained to sniff for 2C compounds.

had a dog sniff my crotch on numerous occasions while carrying.

while i'm pretty sure you're right that no dogs are actually trained to sniff 2cs not all dogs are trained to sniff the same drugs

jancrow
04-02-2010, 01:02
While there are definitely some drug dogs working with the police, there are DEFINITELY real drug dogs at tube stations (i know from personal experience of being detected by one while carrying a tiny amount of very expensive powder)

Yeah, that's why I said 'a lot of the time'. Of course there are real drug dogs at stations from time to time, I've been sniffed for real on the tube and taken into a little control room and interfered with, and I've seen it happen to other people too. Luckily I had nothing on me but two red eyes and a very smug grin.

Evad
04-02-2010, 01:19
I think that a lot of the time it's the bigger alsation dogs that are there to try and make people look suspicious and for the police to gauge your reaction whereas the smaller ones (can't remember which breeds they use) are usually the talented sniffers.

Tangerine Dream
04-02-2010, 01:32
http://keithdevens.com/images/weblog/beagle4rm.jpeg

Beagles I believe...

harryhoofter
04-02-2010, 01:56
Springer spaniels as well.

Zakalwe
04-02-2010, 02:25
Has anyone here seen police with dogs in Scotland outside specific raids ie. in train stations and other public places, because I get the train alot (often whilst carrying) and whilst I was once searched under the terrorism act I've never seen officers with dogs hanging around the stations before. Is this primarily an English thing?

jancrow
04-02-2010, 11:13
I think that a lot of the time it's the bigger alsation dogs that are there to try and make people look suspicious and for the police to gauge your reaction whereas the smaller ones (can't remember which breeds they use) are usually the talented sniffers.

Yeah, I've seen spaniels (which I never liked anyway) and labrador type dogs doing the sniffing in this country. In the States I've seen weird little lurcher-looking things doing it. I agree that the regular Alsatian types are probably more for show.

Red Arrow
04-02-2010, 19:38
Has anyone here seen police with dogs in Scotland outside specific raids ie. in train stations and other public places, because I get the train alot (often whilst carrying) and whilst I was once searched under the terrorism act I've never seen officers with dogs hanging around the stations before. Is this primarily an English thing?

mainly london afaik

xeusdeus
05-02-2010, 07:15
Coke for certain, probably herz too.