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MrSteak63
02-04-2007, 19:25
okay, wtf...

i got more naptha today, the same i got before. The only problem is that it evaporates not totaly, it leaves some sort of oily / soapy residue on the plate. However, my previous naptha evaporated without leaving anything. I washed the naptha with water like in the instructions several times, but it doesn't do anything to me.
Can i say the batch of the naptha is fucked up? I don't want to use ligter fluid tho...

HELP ME :(

What kind of ammonia are you using, and what exact kind of syrup?


Also, a gooey layer after evaporation is what you're looking for, if you let that sit that's what's supposed to turn into DXM freebase crystals, in theory.



what if i would convert it into Dextromethorphanhydrochlorate? Could i IV that stuff if i really wanted to?

edit: i know that IV'ing that sort of stuff isn't a good idea, i'm just curious. There's no way i would stick a needle into my arm and shoot something that i've extracted before

Not sure, but I'm pretty sure I've seen posts discussing this before, just do a search. Also, I may not know if you can or not, but I wouldn't recommend it.

delta_9
03-04-2007, 16:27
is it ok to mix syrups that would individually be ok to use?

rave23
03-04-2007, 17:59
nah, sorry, not the naptha used in the extraction, the naptha by itself. Sorry for misunderstandings!

So if i evaporate only the naptha straight from the bottle it leaves a soapy residue.

Thanks for help

LokiDomnu
03-04-2007, 23:48
is there any way at all to make it taste better, at least tolerable?

rave23
04-04-2007, 01:28
taste of freebase?
Wrap it in 2ply toilet paper and chase it down with cola, does the trick for me!

delta_9
14-04-2007, 02:16
my naphtha/DXM is currently drying. If I did the math right, I should have roughly 1700mg.

edit: my first try went wrong, but I just finished #2 and it was a success.

Yippee Skippy
17-04-2007, 21:57
my first try went wrong, but I just finished #2 and it was a success.

what went wrong and how did you correct it?

colors
17-04-2007, 22:28
using walmrt home brand syrup + ammonia, w ronson fluid ...
60% in two pulls
third pull yielded nothing more

how long is the freebase stable for? (stored well).

Chalkdust_Torture
18-04-2007, 01:13
Step 2
Add Hydrochloric Acid drop wise to the suspension while stirring, you should notice the cloudiness will start to disappear. Keep doing this until the solution is fully clear but don’t overdo it as any excess HCI will leave extra unwanted residue. You now have a near pure DXM HCI Solution.

When converting DXm freebase to DXM HCI should one add the same amount of moles of HCI as there are moles of DXM freebase in order to obtain the most pure DXM HCI?

KryPtiC
18-04-2007, 06:06
I have 3 questions directed to other posters as well as mr. steak, considering he has enough to handle as it is.

1. I used to use DXM syrup and CCC ALOT, too much. Anyways i havent fucked with the stuff in a long time b/c it just wasnt the same. THe last few times i did it i just got kinda sick and kinda tripped. My question, will freebase and time be more likley to bring back the magic?

2. I do not have a digital scale. How would i measure out a dose w/ out one?

3. Some confusion on the nausea. Worse in syrup form? Do Acids help with the nausea?


thanks.

rogan
18-04-2007, 15:39
KryPtiC,
1. In my experience, no :( a long break should bring back the magic.
2. Just extract enough for one hit and take it all, no need to weigh.
3. Much worse in syrup, almost non existent for freebase.


Also, just read on the DV something that makes sense: don't use naphtha in your extractions if you are going the freebase route! naphtha is a mix of chemicals, most with a low boiling point - others with quite high boiling points - high enough that they won't evaporate and will be left in the final product. Exactly how bad they are for you is unknown.

KryPtiC
18-04-2007, 17:50
I figure if im gonna go to all work to get this set up, i might as well go for the long hall and get as much as i can. say 5 bottles. it occurs to me that i could just devide my freebase into 5ths(more or less) if i used 5 bottles.

as far as what u mentiond about naphtha, are there any alternatives. Your saying solutes are left behind within the freebase?...nasty

colors
19-04-2007, 07:12
alright tried again using heptane ('best-test rubber cement thinner') instead of naptha. got 75% in two pulls. crystals looked good so i scraped and dosed aprox 600mg in jager (lol yes it was fucking disgusting, only alc i had handy). tripping 3rd plateauish currently ...

didn't really seem to get rid of the itch!!! im bummed on this because its main reason i tried this tek. there is nausea but i couldnt say if the jag combo caused it.

in retrospect i'm regretting this ... and wishing i had just done the deslym water extratction which i've found to be tried and true. i should have water washed my crystals i guess. blah so fucked ... will edit this tomorrow.

edit: well i ended up spending the night in the ER argh. will write a trip report.

rogan
19-04-2007, 16:06
Your saying solutes are left behind within the freebase?...nasty
Depends on the brand of naphtha that you use, a quick test is to evaporate just naphtha by itself. Once it's evaporated there should be absolutely no smell of naphtha or any residue left in the dish, if its clean then it should be fine - otherwise just go agent lemon.


didn't really seem to get rid of the itch!!! im bummed on this because its main reason i tried this tek.
I'm not 100% certain but the itch comes from the DXM itself, you don't need an extraction - you need another drug ;) but seriously benadryl works great for the itch. Some people do get nausea from DXM (even powder), is it similar to the nausea you'd get from syrup?

Heptane would be ok, but with anything thats not lab grade you have to consider what else might be mixed with it - but either way should be better than naphtha.

delta_9
19-04-2007, 16:45
I think I should point out that I was only able to do a successful extraction with syrups that had DXM ONLY

KryPtiC
20-04-2007, 03:59
Depends on the brand of naphtha that you use, a quick test is to evaporate just naphtha by itself. Once it's evaporated there should be absolutely no smell of naphtha or any residue left in the dish, if its clean then it should be fine - otherwise just go agent lemon..

well what about doing a water bath before the evap. test? isnt that essential?

rave23
20-04-2007, 04:09
Hello fellow dexheads,

for the itch -> 25 mg diphenhydramine and your're good to go. Take it about 45 minutes before you take the DXM and there will be no itch or nasty red skin irritation. Don't exceed 50 mg of Diphenhydramine tho.

Just get some Bendadryl, it's not that complicated. Enjoy your trip and stay safe.

rogan
21-04-2007, 10:24
well what about doing a water bath before the evap. test? isnt that essential?
Yes do the water bath first, do the water bath multiple times for best results.

tass4243
22-04-2007, 22:14
edit: well i ended up spending the night in the ER argh. will write a trip report.

Ah shit hope your alright!

infectedmushroom
23-04-2007, 10:06
Uhhh...why not drink it in 2minutes instead of spending half an hour fucking around being a chemist and possibly getting very sick...

Unless you get nausea everytime from drinking the syrup...in which case, if its bad enough you wouldnt be using it. Just pick up some Stemetil - it works wonders. =D

-Infected

colors
23-04-2007, 21:39
Ah shit hope your alright!
im ok thx! still feel a little off tho. wrote a report http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=303634

so besttest says that the bestine is more refined than their cement thinner ... tho the products are both marked heptane. that would account for the difference in price.

99%depressed
26-04-2007, 03:10
i keep getting stuck at this step...instead of getting a clear top layer i get like a pink layer...this is the second time i have done it. what could i be doing wrong?


6. Pour your mixture into a gallon ziplock bag (again, make sure you don’t fill the fuckin thing up, leave at least a 1/3 of the bag empty) and duct tape (or hang by whatever method you chose to do so) it up by one of the corners (with the zipper part on the top of course) so that a corner is pointing towards the floor.

Immediately you should see a separation between the red bullshit in the syrup, and the clear layer of Naphtha, which will be on top. What you want from this mixture, is the clear layer on the top, and NONE OF THE RED STUFF. I can not stress this point enough. The red shit is toxic ammonia infested syrup shit. This is important to know for the next step.

Nicole

delta_9
26-04-2007, 05:30
^Do your syrups have any drugs other than DXM or DXM Hbr? If so, thats most likely the problem. I had trouble with syrups that were said to be ok, but actually aren't. For best results(possibly the ONLY results) use DXM ONLY.

99%depressed
26-04-2007, 06:06
the first batch i did, had the G ingredident in it then the second one didnt and i finally go some out of that...i think im getting it...i was never the best at science stuff, but it is fun...

thanks

Nicole aka Trip

MrSteak63
27-04-2007, 07:07
Trying the extraction with cough syrup from a dollar store tomorrow morning (DXM and guaifenesin, I can work around the guaifenesin), will be sure to tell how it turns out.

delta_9
27-04-2007, 07:41
^I wish they sold it at my local dollar store. The best deal I could find were 8 ounce bottles(~712mg DXM) for about $5. Still a pretty good deal in my opinion, taking into account the small percent of DXM lost during extraction, you'd probably have about 650mg, which is still a high dose, especially for $5.

MrSteak63
27-04-2007, 20:15
;)

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8089/dx2ve2.jpg

Me and a friend just split a dose. Looks more white in real life, very white like coke.

That was from cough syrup from a dollar store with guaifenesin in it, I will update the guide later with details on how to work around the guaifenesin sorta.

99%depressed
27-04-2007, 20:54
after the naphtha has evaporated off, how long does it take for the chrystals to grow?

btw: im not using a hairdryer, my pan is just outside evaporating....


Nicole aka trip

rave23
27-04-2007, 20:59
@MrSteak63: Congratulations :)

99%depressed: After everything is evaporated i recommend you to use a hairdryer to dry the gooey stuff. Maybe blow in there for about a minute. Then Put the pan in the fridge for about 10 minutes to get it cold and then take it out and place it somewhere. Crystals should start growing shortly

MrSteak63
27-04-2007, 22:23
after the naphtha has evaporated off, how long does it take for the chrystals to grow?

btw: im not using a hairdryer, my pan is just outside evaporating....


Nicole aka trip

I just touched the gooey stuff right after evaporating it and it started to crystallize immediatly, but I always use a hair dryer.

99%depressed
27-04-2007, 23:16
hrmmm.....man why is this so difficult for me...

nicole aka trip

delta_9
28-04-2007, 01:35
I might pick up a few bottles this weekend. I only have enough naphtha for a few more extractions.

Golden_Nipple
29-04-2007, 12:35
I know you shouldn't snort the freebase, but can I take the DXM HCI in other ways than orally? Specifically snorting?

rave23
29-04-2007, 19:05
NO NO and NO ;)

Freebase is meant to be ingested if you want the highest bioavailability. It has to pass the metabolism first before it gives you any effects, so snorting is not effective.

Parachute it, or put it in a shot of vodka, or put it in a capsule, but make sure it ends up in your stomach :)

// of course you can snort the freebase, but i doubt that it will give you anything more as just a disgusting drip ;)

delta_9
29-04-2007, 22:25
^I suppose you could plug all those capsules if you wanted, but I agree that parachuting is the way to go.

rave23
30-04-2007, 05:42
pluging might work, but i would never plug cough syrup... You may try the freebase, but trust me on this one, parachuting or putting it in capsules is the way to go!

delta_9
30-04-2007, 06:48
^Your absolutely right. Eating them is definately the way to go, but I was just giving another option.

rogan
30-04-2007, 13:07
Though I've never done it plugging dxm is meant to be more painful than snorting it from the limited accounts of people that have actually done it.

If you convert it to DXO you can smoke it as the vaporization temp is lower, no idea how to convert it to DXO tho.

delta_9
30-04-2007, 15:02
according to this - http://www.third-plateau.org/tips/agentlemon.html, all you need to do to convert it to DXO is leave the freebase crystals out overnight.

Shadowmeister
30-04-2007, 18:56
^^ Isn't DXO a lot more dangerous and not what you want? I recall the report on Erowid, and I think it mentions a hypertensive crisis.

rave23
30-04-2007, 23:25
DXM is metabolized into DXO, so i don't see why it should be dangerous to take some load off your liver, i'm sure she will appreciate it ?
May someone correct me if i'm wrong here....

delta_9
30-04-2007, 23:26
^I think your right.

MrSteak63
01-05-2007, 03:52
You may be right, but I've always heard of people avoiding their dxm turning into dxo for how hard it works, works like taking less dxm. That's what I heard though, it could be looked up real quick, if nobody else does by the time I get back I'll do it and post here.

rogan
01-05-2007, 06:42
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/dxm_general_info.shtml#toc.4.4

Btw, the leaving the freebase overnight or the other common myth of mixing it with lemon juice is not true, someone with some more chemistry knowledge than me could explain why.

Personally I think it would be interesting to smoke DXO (like PCP perhaps?) but I wouldn't expect it to be a good experience.

delta_9
02-05-2007, 05:34
I'm gonna go out to my local 24 hour CVS a little later and get me some syrup. I got enough naphtha for 1 more extraction :)

two fathomz
02-05-2007, 12:02
back when the american RC sites were thriving i ordered a mass quantity of dxm because it was so cheap and i was / am addicted to the stuff. i found that aside from the taste all the other side effects could still be noted. diarrhea, nausea, etc. and even the powder mixed with oj... presented a nasty bitter taste.

while i cant imagine the damage that ive done to my liver from all the other bs in these products, i think its just as effective for me to run to the drug store (pick a corner, any corner) buy it up and slam it quickly. ... rather than waste my time extracting it. but even if i wanted it pure.. its still easily available and cheap so i cant see myself risking ingesting some chemical mishap or breathing those damn naphtha fumes

hydrostatic
10-07-2007, 04:20
Can anyone give an amount of time it takes to come up on extracted DXM? Freebase vs. HCl vs. cough syrup, how long does it take to get you "out there"? It always takes sooo long to get fucked on syrup so I'm interested in these other things!

majinbijiita
10-07-2007, 04:44
So, I'm not 100% positive here...is it better to get Naptha or Heptane? And can you list common brands too?

delta_9
10-07-2007, 05:51
^I've heard people say naphtha isn't safe to use, but I've used it many times and never had any problems. I just got it from my local hardware store I don't know the brand.

Arzi
10-07-2007, 05:53
When will people realize this?

DXM makes you retarded.