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colors
25-08-2006, 03:33
i was under the impression that the poli is just coated hbr?

was reading the will white faq, and it says that neurotoxicity is related to duration of the high as much as the extremity of it, so would it be safe to assume that poli is twice as toxic (as the release is sustained twice the time of standard hbr)?

joining dextroverse now ... maybe they'll have more detailed info in the forums

colors
25-08-2006, 22:38
here is a little more info on polistirex ...

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posted by Phonon @ dextroverse:

DXM polistirex is a drug-polymer complex. The polymer is a cation exchange resin. In this case it's a divinylbenzene polymer substituted with sulfonic acid groups, with cross linking. Usually this polymer is coated with a water soluble material. The particles generally swell when exposed to water. Then the acid present in the stomach can donate protons to the sulfonate groups and DXM can be released and become DXM HCl in the stomach. Extended release cation exchange resins were originally designed to reduce toxicity of drugs (i.e. to reduce the 'amine peak effect').

One way that you could alter [the water/Delsym extraction] method, to speed up the absorption to the point where it's like taking DXM HBr, would be to add Coca-Cola or lemon juice [after extracting] and let it sit in the acidic drink for a while. These microparticles slowly release the drug by coming to equilibrium with your stomach acid, so if you pretreat them with acid, you could just wait a few hours and release it all from the microparticles. That way, you could do what seems to be a relatively simple Delsym extraction and not have to think about the extended release factor.

timed release of poli dxm:
0.5 hr - 42%
1 hr - 48%
2 hr - 71 %
3 hr - 73%
4 hr - 75%
5 hr - 77%
7 hr - 79%
12 hr - 82%

[edit: ^ in my experience this is a little off ... i'd say +3 hr 50%, +6 hr 100%. (i think these #s came from a water dissolve)]
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there were no follow-ups to his citrate/phosphate conversion ... so i can't say for sure if that method works. the consensus on dextroverse seems to be that poli is good for taking first and sustaining the buzz, but that it should be topped off with some hbr a few hours into the trip, in order to sufficiently 'peak'.

Sprinklervibes
26-08-2006, 00:20
Question about the cold water extraction:


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(the following is not the author's words, just a revision)

Solubility for DXM HBr in water is 1.5g/100mL at 25 C

That means for every 100ml of water at room temperature, 1.5g of DXM HBr will dissolve in it.
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How can you extract with cold water when it dissolves this well? Or does it dissolve less at higher temperature?

Also, isn't a lot of the nausea simply due to DXM being in its' HBr form, and Bromide is not a natural compound in the body? Most drugs are in the HCl form, and some RC's with Br or I seem to have a bodyload.. Just look at the bodyload from DOC(Cl) compared to that of DOI and DOB.

Especially when people say the pure DXM compound gives them the worst nausea it really makes me wonder..

colors
10-09-2006, 11:45
about 12 days ago i started the water extraction on a bottle of delsym. something came up and i wasn't able to dose that night, so i dried the extract in the oven for 30 min and gel capped it, then tossed it in the freezer. about 6hrs ago i dosed said two-week-old caps and they are good and strong. so it would seem as though the delsym extract will last ok in storage. anyone stored longer?

MrSteak63
22-01-2007, 20:59
I'm fairly new here (to the forums part at least) so I hope this is the right forum, and I hope you guys appreciate this.

DXM is a wonderful drug. It's been my friend for many years now.

A common way of taking it is cough syrup. It has many bad side effects (most notorious is projectile vomiting and diarrhea). This guide will show you how to extract PURE dxm freebase from cough syrup using some common chemicals.

This guide was not fully written by me, but by a brilliant man by the online name of Monolaith, on the Dextroverse forums (http://www.dextroverse.org). I've modified some of it so it isn't so dependent on the dextroverse site and with some of my own hints, as I've done this extraction several times.

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FREEBASE EXTRACTION FROM SYRUP RECIPE v.1.1

This is my preferred method of extraction from syrup, when put next to agent lemon Once you get the process down, it takes about 30 minutes from start to finish, to produce powdered DXM freebase.

I have used this method many times, I didn’t come up with this extraction, but this guide has my additions as far as materials that seem to work the best with the whole process IMO. If you follow the instructions, pay attention to colors and smells, you wont fuck it up, but I'm not responsible for any shit happening to anyone who doesn't do it right. It’s very easy to do.

THE OWNER OF THIS POST HEREBY DISCLAIMS ALL LIABILITY FROM USE OF THIS METHOD OF EXTRACTION. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK.

NOTES:

-These are the syrup preparations, that have been tested and work with this method of extraction:
Robitussin Max Strength, Robitussin DM, Robitussin Cough - Long Lasting, CVS Brand Max Strength, Histal DM

Please let me know if you come across any others that work, this is going to be a progressive listing.

-These are the syrup preparations that will not work:
Vicks44 (any variation)
Equaline DM

Please PM me of any other syrups that do not work, so that I may list them here.

-It's a good idea to familiarize yourself with this process well before attempting to execute it. It helps in case something happens mid-step and makes it easier to take pro-active action to avoid waste / injury.

- Also, if you have the time, please read through some of the replies to this thread as there are some very valuable suggestions / tips from experienced chemists and various individuals.

-Throughout this recipe the term 'clean' (as in the verb) is used. This means thorough washing with some kind of detergent / soap and a thorough rinse, not just a wipe with a towel or towel paper. Just an FYI.

You will need:

- Cough Syrup (Any Syrup that has no active ingredients aside from CPM - a.k.a Chlorpheniramine Maleate, Pseudoephedrine, Acetaminophen and / or Gufenesin . This method will remove all of those and leave you with DXM only / I CAN NOT GUARANTEE THE REMOVAL OF ANY OTHER ACTIVE INGREDIENTS ASIDE FROM THOSE JUST LISTED)

- Ziplock bags (gallon size freezer bags work well)

- Naphtha (some people use lighter fluid or other kinds of spirits to replace this, I don't recommend doing that, Naphtha for sure, evaporates fairly clean) You can find this at any hardware / paint store, just ask for it.

- Clear, Non-Sudsy Ammonia (make sure it has no dyes, no surfactants or perfumes. A quick way to test if it's sudsy or non sudsy is to shake the bottle, if little bubbles gather at the top, it's sudsy. I've noticed that some brands of ammonia will say sudsy, but they're really not. Always test to make sure before you buy it.)

- 3 Large size glass mason jars (Some people use two-liter bottles etc. I say use glass, it's easy to clean, and you can always smell it to make sure you've gotten all the nasty stuff out after cleaning.)

- Duct tape or something that will hold a ziplock bag full of fluid hanging off the edge of a table.

- Large glass baking dish (can be anything EXCEPT metal i.e.. ceramic / porcelain, clear glass makes it easy to see crystal growth though.)

- Hair blow dryer (this is optional, but having it speeds things along.)

- Scissors or pin

- Large jug of some sort (for syrup waste collection / can be made of any material, doesn't have to be glass.)

- Razor blade

- GOOD VENTILATION WHERE EVER YOU'RE DOING THIS (brain damage from inhaling naphtha vapors, is not fun.)

Ok, on to the good stuff. Make sure your jars and the baking pan are clean before you start, a little bit of dishwashing liquid works fine before and after the process for cleaning. The cleaner and more organized you are ahead of time, the less chance for process-screwups and chemical accidents.

Before beginning the extraction process below, fill one of the mason jars about halfway with Naphtha, and then fill the remainder of the jar with water until the jar is about 3/4 full. Close the jar tightly and shake for a good 30 to 40 seconds. Do this about twice and then pour the mixture into a ziplock bag and allow it to separate.

The naphtha will be on top, and the water will be on the bottom. Get your waste jug ready. Hang up the ziplock back by one of the corners (close it first of course) and snip a small hole in the corner pointing to the floor. Allow the water to drain out into your waste jug and capture the Naphtha into another jar. Clean the jar you used to pour the Naphtha into originally, you will need it later. You have now given your Naphtha a 'water-bath' and have removed most of the water-soluble bullshit.

1. Pour the syrup you're extracting from into the jars. If you have a lot of syrup to extract from (more than three 4oz bottles) Split the amount between the two jars. The idea here is that you want to make sure you don't fill the jars more than half way with syrup. You're going to need the space for the other chemicals.

2. Add an equal amount of your ammonia to the syrup in the jars, it doesn't have to be perfect, but approximate.

3. Close the jars / jar tight and shake mixture for about 20 seconds.

4. Open the jars back up and add 1/10 (one tenth) of the amount of fluid already in the jar, of Naphtha. Be careful not too add a whole lot because this will slow you down later on during naphtha evaporation. Also, beware of the fumes they are toxic and this stuff just stinks!

5. Shake this mixture for about 40 seconds to a minute.

6. Pour your mixture into a gallon ziplock bag (again, make sure you don’t fill the fuckin thing up, leave at least a 1/3 of the bag empty) and duct tape (or hang by whatever method you chose to do so) it up by one of the corners (with the zipper part on the top of course) so that a corner is pointing towards the floor.

Immediately you should see a separation between the red bullshit in the syrup, and the clear layer of Naphtha, which will be on top. What you want from this mixture, is the clear layer on the top, and NONE OF THE RED STUFF. I can not stress this point enough. The red shit is toxic ammonia infested syrup shit. This is important to know for the next step.

Some syrups have gufenesin (the 'expectorant' in Robitussin DM) in them, and this will sometimes cause a bubbly frothy layer to be present within the clear layer, if this happens to you (and you're sure you didn't use sudsy ammonia) you're gonna have to wait until all those bubbles pop, and you've got a straight clear layer on the top before proceeding to the next step.

Make sure you have one of your glass mason jars clean and ready for Naphtha collection in the next step.

7. After you've got a clear, see through layer of Naphtha at the top of your mixture, get your waste collection jug ready, and snip a small hole / poke a tiny hole with a pin (scissors work so much better IMO) and slowly let the red bullshit drain out of the bag. As you start to get close to the clear layer, get your other clean glass mason jar ready to catch it (the clear Naphtha layer). It's ok to let a little bit of the clear fluid drain out to ensure you don't catch ANY of the red stuff, but don't let too much out, this clear layer contains your DXM molecules, which we will be preparing for crystallization in the next few steps.

8. !!VERY IMPORTANT STEP!! Once you've collected your clear Naphtha layer, take it over to a light and make sure you don't have any red dots / liquid in it. If you do, just pour the Naphtha into another ziplock bag, and drain it the way you did before, the red ammonia / syrup shit will always sink to the bottom. Make sure you wash out your glass jar before re-collection as well if you have to repeat step 8 again.

NOTE: I have come to the conclusion, that about three Naphtha baths are needed to extract almost 'all' of the DXM contained in the syrup. So, repeat steps one through eight, two more times if you're all about getting every single drop of DXM out of the syrup, and collect all your Naphtha / DXM mixture at once.

9. Now comes the fun part. Take your clear Naphtha / DXM mixture and pour it into your glass pan (beware of toxic fumes!). You can take two routes at this point:

9.a. - You can put the pan outside somewhere where no one will fuck with it and let the Naphtha evaporate off by itself (this stuff has a really low boiling point)

9.b. - Go outside and take a blow dryer and carefully blow over the mixture until it evaporates (beware of toxic fumes!).

9.a. Will take you at least 30 minutes, 9.b. will take you about 10 to 15 minutes. In both cases MAKE SURE YOU ARE EVAPORATING NAPHTHA IN AN AREA WITH GOOD VENTILATION, INHALING NAPHTHA CAUSES BRAIN DAMAGE ALONG WITH OTHER HEALTH COMPLICATIONS also, if you're going to be blow drying the stuff, try to keep your face away from the pan to avoid toxic fumes or consider purchasing an organic solvent respirator from your local paint store.

Remember, evaporation will always take place much quicker, when there is a higher surface area to volume ratio. The thinner the layer of Naphtha within the pan, the quicker it will evaporate off.

10. After the Naphtha has totally evaporated, you will be left with a menthol-like smelling sticky clear goo at the base of the pan. It's a good idea to familiarize yourself with the way that Naphtha smells, I'm not saying huff the shit, but it's how you can tell if it has all evaporated, it has a very distinct smell, which should not be present after this point.

Wallah! This is your DXM (the clear goo), but we can't use it this way (well we could, but it would be a total hassle) so you leave it for a while longer to let it crystallize.

Try putting the pan in the fridge and letting it cool to jumpstart crystallization, which does work, but I find that crystallization takes place much quicker when a hair blow dryer is used and the pan is very dry and warm.

Also, sprinkling some powder over the goo from previous extractions (freebase DXM powder that is) will help to speed up crystal growth as well.

As the goo starts to crystallize, scrape from the crystallized areas into the goo areas to speed up crystal growth. When the entire pan is crystallized, take a razor blade and scrape / chop it into powder. Smell the powder to ensure that it doesn't smell like Naphtha. It will have a very strong menthol-like smell. Your powder should be ranging in color from pure snow white, to a slight yellow tinge. If you end up with anything else (grey, white with back specks etc), throw it out and start over, it's not worth the risk of damaging your brain or body if something did go wrong.

BAM! You've got DXM freebase which you can now:

1. Dump in a shot of alcohol and dose

2. Dump in something moderately acidic and dose (this would then be DXM citrate, also known as agent lemon)

3. Put in a gelcap and dose (after ensuring that stomach conditions will be very acidic, this stuff is not easily water soluble, it is easily dissolved into acid or alcohol, keep this in mind when dosing powder in general)

ADDITIONAL NOTES: You can not smoke DXM freebase. You will end up inhaling disgusting scorched chemical nastiness.

Some people have attempted to snort DXM freebase; while I can not say from personal experience if this is effective or not, I do know this: DXM freebase must be converted to an acid-salt / solubilized within alcohol for the body to be able to efficiently absorb it into the bloodstream, it is not very soluble in water at all (i.e. which is what lines the nasal passages within it's mucus)

DEXTROMETHORPHANHYDROCHLORATE PREPARATION / ADDITIONAL STEPS (originally by Agent Poon-K-Off / Source: DXM Zine no. 16)

What exactly is this? This is the final product of following the next few steps if you have the chemicals and the proper equipment with which to work with them. The great thing about this method / addition, is that the result is going to be totally digestible, no absorption problems or a need to mix it with alcohol or assist it's absorption with acidic stomach contents. You can just pop it and that's it :D

YOU ARE GOING TO NEED GLASSWARE TO WORK WITH HYDROCHLORIC ACID AT ALL TIMES! That means no plastic nothing nowhere, you run the risk of it melting and chemicals ending up in your final product. You have been warned.

What you will need:
- glass beaker or jar
- glass pipette / eye dropper
- hydrochloric acid

Step 1
Take your DXM (freebase) crystals / powder and dump into glass beaker / jar, then fill the glass with water and stir. The DXM should be suspended (but not dissolved) in the water (which should make the water white and foggy).

Step 2
Add Hydrochloric Acid drop wise to the suspension while stirring, you should notice the cloudiness will start to disappear. Keep doing this until the solution is fully clear but don’t overdo it as any excess HCI will leave extra unwanted residue. You now have a near pure DXM HCI Solution.

Step 3
Leave the DXM HCI solution in a warm/ventilated area until it has evaporated into crystals. You now have near pure DXM HCI crystals WELL DONE!

TIP: Any HCI solution should be left in a well ventilated area to evaporate as HCI will release a fume WHICH IS VERY TOXIC AND WILL BURN IF BREATHED IN!

TIP: I don’t recommend anyone evaporating any HCI solution with a hair dryer as more fumes are released.



What the final product looks like:


In the pan
http://goathilarity.com/dex1.jpg

In the pan again
http://goathilarity.com/dex2.jpg

Scraped up
http://goathilarity.com/dex3.jpg

If yours is kinda gooey or has a very red tent to it, be careful, you still got some naphtha in it. It won't hurt you too bad with a small dose like this, but it's still enough to mention.

I recommend parachuting the freebase and chasing with cola. It kicks in almost uncomfortably fast that way, the way I like it ;)


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Hope this helps guys, and I hope you have a good time. Pure freebase feels so clean when you take it, and the whole trip is just smoother. Just be careful you pay attention to smells, colors, and each step. If you have any questions or anything, feel free to post them here and I will help you the best I can.

Happy dexing :)

pocket393
23-01-2007, 00:26
sick method! im tempted to try the dxm hci. sounds like it would be a lot easier to digest. aka no nausea :D a lot easier to follow than a lot of the other methods ive read

egor
23-01-2007, 00:46
Dxm is not meant to be freebased. I am glad you mentioned that in the report. Pyrolization of dxm creates some very nasty by-products.

There are easier extractions out there if you look hard enough. Mine gives you the hbr salt, not the freebase.

stirfry
23-01-2007, 01:21
http://goathilarity.com/dex1.jpg


that looks awsome. i would like to try the HCL salt, cough syrup takes a long time to peak for me.

egor
23-01-2007, 01:39
Dxm kicks in much faster when not mixed in a comercial product. Extraction is the way to go.

melange
23-01-2007, 01:52
either way that does look like some rather good product



gj :)

jketiynu
23-01-2007, 03:35
Thanks for posting this. This definitely seems like the easiest method I've seen.

Does anyone have any idea if this would work to extract from Zicam? It would make things a lot more cost effective.

MrSteak63
23-01-2007, 04:12
Thanks for posting this. This definitely seems like the easiest method I've seen.

Does anyone have any idea if this would work to extract from Zicam? It would make things a lot more cost effective.


From what I've read it wouldn't work, but I've yet to read anything from anybody that's actually done it. You can try it, but I doubt it will work. Just make sure to get your amounts right.

Shadowmeister
23-01-2007, 22:32
Very nice method! It almost tempts me to try DXM freebase. Almost.

thugg
24-01-2007, 08:22
I've only tried DXM a couple of times many years ago. Couldn't stand the nasty syrup, so I never bothered. Maybe I'll give this ago some time soon, seems pretty easy I am interested in trying it another time or so..

nuke
24-01-2007, 08:25
Nice, a long time ago I a/bed and got a good product from cough syrup..

Sprinklervibes
24-01-2007, 13:10
I always wondered if it was the Bromide atom that made chemicals give you nausea as opposed to the Chloride versions (DXM HCl vs HBr, DOC vs DOB, 2CC vs 2CB), after all, our stomachs contain HCl already.
Anyone know?

Shadowmeister
24-01-2007, 16:43
2C-B doesn't give me nausea. I'll be trying DOB soon so I can report on that later.

It is true, however, than 2C-C is gentler than 2C-B.

LightTrailz
24-01-2007, 21:35
Dxm is not meant to be freebased. I am glad you mentioned that in the report. Pyrolization of dxm creates some very nasty by-products.

There are easier extractions out there if you look hard enough. Mine gives you the hbr salt, not the freebase.

Discuss on this part if you can please.

egor
24-01-2007, 21:38
^^ let me dig up my info, I will elaborate a little later today;)
Here is a little info, cant ever get links to work, so I will copy and paste.



Smoking DXM is highly poisonous. Pharmie_Pharmer420, next time you're tired and not entirely sure if your advice is right, DON'T POST IT.

Converting it to a freebase will not solve anything. And DXO is not the freebase of DXM, they're two different substances. DXM is converted in the body to DXO.

Dextromethorphan reacts with oxygen at room temperature, though not at any appreciable rate. However, at 395-397 Kelvin, Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide's melting point, this changes and Dextromethorphan reacts with oxygen to produce some very toxic chemicals. Free ("freebase") Dextromethorphan will also react with oxygen at its melting point. Anyone attempting to smoke Dextromethorphan in the presence of oxygen under normal atmospheric conditions will only end up inhaling nasty compounds such as nitric oxide and the organic products of combustion. This information is easily verified by looking at a Material Safety Data Sheet for this substance. Dextromethorphan reacts rapidly with oxygen at temperatures above 360 Kelvin. It is in everyone's best interest to know that Dextromethorphan is not "smokeable".

I cant directly access the msds at the moment as I am having issues with my adobe, but you get the idea.

MrSteak63
24-01-2007, 22:08
I can vouch for him as well, do NOT smoke the shit, that is not the point of this extraction. You're supposed to orally ingest it. Don't smoke, don't snort, don't shoot.

The point of this whole extraction is so you can get pure dxm more or less, make it easier to take by parachuting, putting it in a pill, etc. And this extraction method is more useful than the Agent Lemon one, as it produces a powder rather than a liquid. Not to give you something to put in your crackpipe.

Back in the beginning when I was first experimenting with this I let my friend smoke some. He compared it to smoking fiberglass and is now kinda afraid to even dose it, heh.

Disposition11
25-01-2007, 05:17
Hey, I have something that says it contains "Petroleum Naptha". It is "Odorless Paint Thinner", I heard Naptha has that distinct smell to it, so I am concerned whether or not this is what I need. Thanks.

Zagenth
25-01-2007, 07:51
Great extraction method, seems simple enough. Without breaking out funnels and beakers and tubes and such, this seems relatively simple. Might give this a try. Thanks for the post :)

MrSteak63
25-01-2007, 09:07
Hey, I have something that says it contains "Petroleum Naptha". It is "Odorless Paint Thinner", I heard Naptha has that distinct smell to it, so I am concerned whether or not this is what I need. Thanks.

If you use that you'll have bi-products in the final product, just buy straight naphtha from your closes hardware store, it's cheap.

Astavats
25-01-2007, 09:18
Thanks for posting this, I've been reading it on Erowid bout it, was going to ask a few questions on it just today, but this helps clear things up!

[Edit: Actually I do have a question. You mention "clear non-susdy ammonia", I have one that says pure ammonia (no added colors/scents) but when I shake it I get some white bubbles/foam-ig at the top that disperse within seconds - is this ok, or is the "sudsy kind"?]

MrSteak63
25-01-2007, 14:56
Thanks for posting this, I've been reading it on Erowid bout it, was going to ask a few questions on it just today, but this helps clear things up!

[Edit: Actually I do have a question. You mention "clear non-susdy ammonia", I have one that says pure ammonia (no added colors/scents) but when I shake it I get some white bubbles/foam-ig at the top that disperse within seconds - is this ok, or is the "sudsy kind"?]

That's okay, it shouldn't have soap.

If during the process you DO get bubbles, replace all words in the extraction that say shake with stir, to avoid the bubbles and you should be fine. Just a bit of soap in the final product though most likely, but from what I've heard it doesn't change anything.


Have fun and be safe :)

Doctor__Anonymous
28-01-2007, 02:43
can you a dxm extraction with zicam cough mist or robo gelcaps?

Astavats
28-01-2007, 06:27
Thanks for the reply MrSteak63 =)

MrSteak63
28-01-2007, 06:59
can you a dxm extraction with zicam cough mist or robo gelcaps?

Regarding using zicam, gelcaps, or other forms of dxm, I'm not too sure about it honestly, there isn't much info on it if you use this process, but you can always try, as long as you still get your amounts right.

But if the end product is anything but white/grey/light light red, don't dose it. It's really not worth it.

But if you do try it, defiantly tell us, and if you did anything special I'll add that to the extraction guide. But for the most part this is for syrups, it's much easier that way.

trip.more
29-01-2007, 17:05
You could add HCL and avoid the nasty lemon juice.

rogan
29-01-2007, 18:58
Used this method a few times, stuffed up a few times - even once successfully did it with sudsy ammonia. But generally for doses less than 1g I prefer just to chug syrup - a more reliable experience, but then again I don't really get bad nausea from the syrup.

egor
29-01-2007, 21:48
Used this method a few times, stuffed up a few times - even once successfully did it with sudsy ammonia. But generally for doses less than 1g I prefer just to chug syrup - a more reliable experience, but then again I don't really get bad nausea from the syrup.


You sick fuck;)

MrSteak63
09-03-2007, 08:21
Bumping due to the recent DXM threads, I'd rather see somebody extract DXM than take Coricidin.


You could add HCL and avoid the nasty lemon juice.

Yeah.....that's at the bottom of the guide :P

Also, if you don't want lemon juice with your extraction, just drink soda instead and parachute it.

tass4243
09-03-2007, 18:35
I think I may just try this....but im not sure. I may have lost the magic of dex. Last time I dosed 840 I tripped...but just barely. Not what I expected from an 840mg trip. Hadn't done it in a few months either, so im not sure. Use to abuse the shit before I got my head straight and learned about drugs in general. So that may be why I have lost the magic.

MrSteak63
09-03-2007, 19:37
I think I may just try this....but im not sure. I may have lost the magic of dex. Last time I dosed 840 I tripped...but just barely. Not what I expected from an 840mg trip. Hadn't done it in a few months either, so im not sure. Use to abuse the shit before I got my head straight and learned about drugs in general. So that may be why I have lost the magic.


The extraction is easier than it looks here, and if you extract two 8oz robo max bottles, use all the dxm in one trip (assuming you don't weigh like 110 lb)


Extracted dxm, or straight ordered DXM online both feel very different than when you chug bottles or take gel caps. It feels....cleaner, and good. DXM has always been known for either making you visit aliens living on the back of your skull, or just walking around watery-feeling the next trip, kinda hit and miss sometimes, but you should be fine if you try this.

rave23
11-03-2007, 23:56
you are a good guy ;)

agent lemon always left me with brown gooey stuff which went moldy in the fridge. and the citric acid hurt my teeth so bad :\ This sounds so much better.

Do you have any ideas about the yields? I'm really tempted to try this next friday, but we have no glass-baking thing. Only thing similar to that would be a large flat black plate. Could that work?

What about taking a perfectly smooth piece of glass and adding borders with silicone or something else? My guess would be that too much of the crystals would end up near the border so that it would be a pain in the neck to collect them all.

rogan
12-03-2007, 05:57
Doing the extraction carefully with multiple naphtha rinses will give 90%+ yields, its not a difficult goal - just takes a bit more time. The problem however is depending on how you ingest it, it will not be absorbed as good as the syrup. My most success has been mixing a shot of syrup (contains PEG to help absorption) with a shot of vodka and the extracted powder to make the worlds worst tasting cocktail :P so good extraction + efficient consumption will be as strong as consuming the equivalent syrup.

Is the black plate metal? if so don't use. No white baking dishes or anything around? I wouldn't try the silicone because in my experience a decent amount of the crystals do end up at the edges. Otherwise just buy a glass baking dish, costs less than $5.

rave23
12-03-2007, 08:37
no, the plate is black ceramic, so smooth that i could use it as a mirror, so i guess it will be fine.

thanks for info

rogan
12-03-2007, 16:53
Yep it will be fine, just use bright light to make sure there is no dots of red/pink in the powder that would indicate ammonia.

rave23
13-03-2007, 02:53
okay, i just run through the whole town, checking every Pharmacy / Drugmart and geting my hands on Cough-Syrup with DXM only and all the other stuff needed.
Now i have roughly 5l of cough syrup and i want to get this started. I will make my first trial with 500 ml, which contains 1,5g of dxm in total, just to familiarize myself with the method.
I will wash the Syrup 4 times, just to get all of the DXM out of it.

I will probably go for 4 batches, because 4,5 l of syrup at once is just nuts imho. And if i should screw up i won't loose all of it. It wasn't cheap and verry time-consuming to check all the phamacys :D

I will post results and yields later, but i can't get pictures :( If that should work and give me lots of DXM i will consider buying a digital scale and get started on some even lager extractions. Any ideas about how long you can store the crystals for untill thex ged bad or something?

Yippee Skippy
13-03-2007, 04:54
Hey Mr. Steak - couple of questions for you...

1) Do you mind being called Mr. Steak? :)
2) Those pictures you have - are they all "DEXTROMETHORPHANHYDROCHLORATE" as opposed to just freebase?
3) Is muriatic acid the same as hydrochloric acid?

I tried the freebase method, but used a hair dryer to dry the final liquid in a (too) small plate. I didn't see any residue and a bunch of crap flew into the plate while I was drying it. So - if you try to dry your liquid the same way, make sure there isn't a lot of debris around! Anyway, I just got mad, threw the plate in the sink and chugged the other bottle down. Tripped balls, btw.

Thanks for everything!

rave23
13-03-2007, 05:13
awesome...

after a tedious and awfully precise procedure i got 1,25 g snow white powder. 85 % yield, that's not bad.

I washed the syrup + the gunk 5 times just to be sure, and it isn't hard to do at all. It's rather easy. To be honest, i'm amazed how easy that was. Now i need to clean up my garage lol. Got a light headache from the fumes tho. Next time i shoud add some fans to my garage.
I put the powder in the oven for 15 minutes at 80°C just to drive the least bit of moisture out of it, worked just fine.

I will down about 500mg in a small shot of vodka and enjoy a SMOOTH trip. So for how long can i keep this stuff siting around in my shelf?

thanks for everything, you're the man

//@Yippee Skippy: Look at the plate in the sink again, maybe crystals formed by now. I had a white gooey substance in there and after a while the first crystal appeared. Just don't wash it away and let it sit for a while

Yippee Skippy
13-03-2007, 05:35
//@Yippee Skippy: Look at the plate in the sink again, maybe crystals formed by now. I had a white gooey substance in there and after a while the first crystal appeared. Just don't wash it away and let it sit for a while

I threw the plate in my sink fulla dirty dishes in disgust. Aside from the other airborne junk that the hair dryer blew into it, only God knows what other stuff got mixed from there!

I'll try again soon though. I did it w/1 bottle in case I fucked it up somehow. I suspect that the small yield was why it looked like there was nothing there.

rogan
13-03-2007, 10:56
So for how long can i keep this stuff siting around in my shelf?
Put it in an airtight container, store that somewhere dark and cool. Will last months or maybe even years.

Let us know how the trip goes!

MrSteak63
14-03-2007, 04:33
Hey Mr. Steak - couple of questions for you...

1) Do you mind being called Mr. Steak? :)
2) Those pictures you have - are they all "DEXTROMETHORPHANHYDROCHLORATE" as opposed to just freebase?
3) Is muriatic acid the same as hydrochloric acid?

I tried the freebase method, but used a hair dryer to dry the final liquid in a (too) small plate. I didn't see any residue and a bunch of crap flew into the plate while I was drying it. So - if you try to dry your liquid the same way, make sure there isn't a lot of debris around! Anyway, I just got mad, threw the plate in the sink and chugged the other bottle down. Tripped balls, btw.

Thanks for everything!


1. Love it
2. Freebase actually
3. I myself don't mess around with anything but hydrochloric, so I don't know, maybe another poster here may.



Remember to blow dry (preferably) your "liquid" at the bottom of your plate until there is nothing but a thin coating of goo, and let that sit there until you see crystal sheets form.

Yippee Skippy
14-03-2007, 12:38
From ye olde Wikipedia:


Hydrochloric acid, or muriatic acid by its historical but still occasionally used name, has been an important and frequently used chemical from early history...

...In less-demanding industry, technical-quality hydrochloric acid suffices for neutralizing waste streams and swimming pool treatment.

So, it sounds like it's the same stuff in different grades. Can hydrochloric acid be easily obtained?

But since your pictures are of the freebase and look great, maybe I won't worry about the next step requiring the acid anyway.

Thanks for everything!

rave23
15-03-2007, 20:42
Put it in an airtight container, store that somewhere dark and cool. Will last months or maybe even years.

Let us know how the trip goes!

wow, sorry, totaly forgot about that.
Trip was smooth as ice, without any nasty stuff like robo itch or the squirts ;)

this weekend i get started on the rest of the syrup.

Let me know how your extraction is going if you're giving it another shot

rave23
25-03-2007, 07:50
how fast is the freebase supposed to kick in again?
i parachuted about 650mg of crystals from a previous extraction yesterday and chased it down with a can of cola and it took about 1 hour for the trip to start. Is that normal? Should i try something with more acid to it? Maybe dissolving in Lemon Juice or something?
It's just as fast as the syrup then

i love the freebase so much <3 such a smooth and clean trip

rogan
25-03-2007, 11:11
There isn't really much you can do to jump start the trip. The syrup is designed for maximum absorption, i.e. DXM HBr + PEG. Dissolving it in lemon juice might help but considering you washed it down with cola I doubt the lemon juice will be much more acidic than cola.

The easiest would be to just put it in a shot of vodka.

rave23
25-03-2007, 11:20
what if i would convert it into Dextromethorphanhydrochlorate? Could i IV that stuff if i really wanted to?

edit: i know that IV'ing that sort of stuff isn't a good idea, i'm just curious. There's no way i would stick a needle into my arm and shoot something that i've extracted before

rave23
30-03-2007, 20:04
okay, wtf...

i got more naptha today, the same i got before. The only problem is that it evaporates not totaly, it leaves some sort of oily / soapy residue on the plate. However, my previous naptha evaporated without leaving anything. I washed the naptha with water like in the instructions several times, but it doesn't do anything to me.
Can i say the batch of the naptha is fucked up? I don't want to use ligter fluid tho...

HELP ME :(