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halfoz
13-02-2006, 07:04
dealing with south-of-the-border's technique to stretch their inventory is a bear.

a friend of mine has now performed several tasks to remove MSM (and whatever else) including heating to MSM melting point (which does significantly reduce volume), acetone washes, and single and dual solvent recrystallization.

it's still getting through. well, the dual solvent recrystallization may not have been performed entirely properly. but still.

in single solvent recrystallization, after heat treatment and wash, the initial crystal formations are very thin needles which dry to an opaque white. they display the melting characteristics of MSM: flash melting to a watery clear rapidly turning brown, with the billowing clouds of powdery smoke, the tendency to boil and flash ignite at a much lower temperature than otherwise expected.

question: is the above description of the crystals consistent with MSM? how is it that after being subject to 255degF heat for 45mins, then washed in acetone, that recrystallization would yield an enormous quantity of said crystals, with virtually no other crystal formation?

leaving out the heating, the result is almost identical.

in terms of dual solvent recrystallization, the addition of acetone to the near-boiling alcohol at or beyond the point of saturation seems to cause no effect overall, except to delay the formation of crystals.

is there a ratio or acetone to alcohol that is required? is there an issue with timing?is filtration required? what is not being done?

Help! Thanks!

tiger-bunny
13-02-2006, 09:25
msm isnt water soluable or atleast not highly soluable, washing your dope with cold water through some filter paper leaves msm crystals in the filter and dope in the water. once you get the dope back to crystals its good to go.

if your comfortable recrystalizing, thats definatly the way to get rid of your msm. ive been lucky not to have had to do that in like half a year, that msm shit is fucking nasty

halfoz
13-02-2006, 10:01
ok, but its definitely soluble in acetone, and that's not working.

can anyone confirm the appearance of the crystals my friend is seeing? long, very thin, needle-like, opaque white, no rhomboid shape, no clearness. is that msm for sure?

in the dual solvent recrystallization, is the alcohol to be vacuumed off the bottom for success? is that the only way?

tiger-bunny
13-02-2006, 11:07
if acetone works, you can just get some anhydrous acetone and wash your stuff, that is definatly the simplest way to transform shitty dope into the purest dope you will get and not loose any meth at all

fastandbulbous
13-02-2006, 15:50
I assume we're talking about methamphetamine here? If so, dissolve the 'product' in room temp water, but no more than 15ml per gram of product. At that temp & volume, methamphetamine will form something close to a saturated soln. If MSM is, as mentioned above, poorly water soluble, it will remain in suspension and will be easily separated with a filter. No need for all this dual solvent recrstallization using irritating organic solvents

hussness
13-02-2006, 22:36
Pardon my ignorance, but what is msm?

Mind_Movie
13-02-2006, 22:44
in this context:
a compound to cut meth.
if you react it with methamphetamine, it will look very nice (crystals) but it will not be pure.

wiki link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylsulfonylmethane