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Carfentanilfreak
15-10-2005, 08:18
I was just wondering how bad it is to make tea with moldy pods. I have come across two kinds of mold on the pods, black mold, and grey dusty mold on the inside. It just pisses me off so bad how expensive pods are already and then I get a package in which 20% of the giganthemums are moldy. Ill bet in India for one penny you could get the same amount of pods you would pay $150 for here in the US. Its like the sellers dont have the decency to just throw away and not sell the moldy pods, they have to make money off the useless ones also.

I made a tea in which I couldnt see any noticably visible mold but the pods and tea have a strong odor. I just hope I can drink it without getting serious brain damage or having a toxic reaction. I just dont want to waste the money and time it took to make the tea. Also, is there a way to consume the moldy pods so I dont just have to throw them away?

BLeeK
15-10-2005, 08:35
i cant say i know alot about pods but ingesting anything with mold just doesn't sound like a good idea...be safe

ChemicalSmiles
15-10-2005, 20:19
I wouldnt do it man. Google mold and see how sick you can get. Which is better high for 30 minutes then an overwhelming sick comes over you... that MAY send you to the hospital. Not worth it IMO

DexterMeth
15-10-2005, 20:35
I honestly never really had a problem comsuming pods with mold on them. I would think that the boiling process destroys whatever makes you sick. ? I could be wrong..i never got sick from it, only withdrawls :)

tsion
15-10-2005, 21:05
depends on what kind of "mold" you're talking about. black hard material isn't always real mold, sometimes poppy pods will dry like that.

Particularly if it's just black dots and splotches, that's probably okay. The only kind of "mold" I'd worry about is the white, green, or colored type that is "hairy." black, crusty material has never harmed me on poppies before....

MegaManMX12
15-10-2005, 21:07
If the black mold is on the outside of the pods its usually just small amounts of opium from bug bites/any other obstuction of the pots, that grey mist looking stuff on the out side is eaily cleaned off if you have that. Inside the pot though I woudnt risk it it its large clusters of it.

Carfentanilfreak
16-10-2005, 05:31
Are you saying that pods that are completely black on the inside and have an odor to them could just be the way some of them dried naturally? That would be neat to think I could use All my pods!

Some of them have a grey dust that also has a really bad odor.

I guess identifying what kind of mold is hard but further more knowing what is and isnt mold.

I did drink the tea by the way with a horrible added taste. I felt a really strange fucked up for about 40 minutes and then just the usual opiate high. :)

DexterMeth
16-10-2005, 07:03
^well, at least you have opiates to cure the mold sickness :D

themadhungarian
17-10-2005, 07:54
This is something I wrote for another site I belong too, and it well applies to the question of how bad can mold be for you. Please remember that some molds can kill you. This was written over two years ago and I have learned much since then about the poppy and opiates in general.

Like many others here, I felt my floral shows were becoming too frequent, and I decided to stop. My current run was about 300 gigs in two months. I know, too much, too soon. I knew I had a monkey and it must be dealt with. I have had a previous experience with wd's (I have has many since then), and knew that day three of Wd's would be the worst, due to the long life of the PT (poppy tea) goodies. This time however, it was only about 24 hours after my last cup that I was hit with a vicious need to visit the bathroom. Strange I thought, could it happen this early? Upon exiting the bathroom, I felt a slight fever and a general malease. I thought a good night of sleep would help me feel better, so I attempted to do just that. I awoke every couple of hours to use the bathroom, this was not going well. I awoke a couple of hours earlier than usual feeling quite ill in the stomach. I promptly blew chuncks. The steak and potato dinner I had the previous night was in retrospect a poor choice. Flash foward to 14 agonizing hours later, and I had probably puked about 20 times by now, and voided my bowels about half as much. If I tried to eat or drink anything, back the way it came in, it went out. (sorry for the graphic descripitions) I looked so piss-poor that word trickeled down the grapevine and my father called me to see if I wanted to go to the ER. "Hell yes", I said. At this point I have never been so sick in my life. I got to the ER, did the waiting thing, like you always have to, and finally got to see the doctor. They did blood and a urine deal and promptly called it a virus. The virus caused the oh so lovely gastrointestineitus. Really I have never felt so shitty. As I was getting fluids and meds, including 4 mg. morphine IV for stomach pain (woo hoo), the doctor asked if I had eaten anything unusual two days prior to the night. I of course said "no" as even PT was not unusual for me, I have done it countless times. But this got me thinking. Since I did decide to quit, I wanted to use all my remaining supplies, including a couple of moldy pods. I cleaned these as carefully as possible, but I guess I did not do a great job of it. This is the only possible foreign material around me that could have caused this. Damm them moldy pods! I have should have known better. Also, I never used to wash my pods (the outside). Gone are the days when I act so careless about what goes into my body. So after the night in the ER, they sent me home with several meds to help control the symptoms. My vomiting continues for five more days, but with decreasing frequency each day. The worst part was no solid food, only liquid, for five and a half days. Of course I went into wd's during this time. The worst parts of wich were poor tempature regulation, very cold all the time, and extreme insomnia, which because I had the bug was very distressing. Hot showers, four or five a day, did help a lot with the coldness I felt, and also helped by taking away the focus on my painful, empty stomach. It took me twelve days to feel normal again. The moral of the story? Don't use moldy pods for any reason and do wipe all useable pods down. I would not wish what I went through on my worst enemy. The good that came out of this was twofold. Since I am out of wd's, I now know how to aviod them in the future (the knowledge, sadly, has not worked out that way :p ). For me, I have to only view once every two weeks. Any more than that and I can see bad habbits coming to life again. The other good thing I learned, was to respect the gifts that nature gives us. By using the moldy pods I showed greed and disrepect. I was only thinking of myself and worring about feeling good. Please everyone, go slow and respect. If you do that, only good things can come to you.
Peace.
(hope that helps someone)
DON'T ever use moldy pods, it is not worth it. Oh yea, my uninsured ass got a bill for almost $3,000 for the ER visit. Two moldy pods guys.

chemicalwasteland
17-10-2005, 08:50
^^^wow i am sure glad i opted against moldy pods

Carfentanilfreak
17-10-2005, 13:32
im just really curious how you could opt against moldy pods. Please tell me I hate them.

tsion
17-10-2005, 14:44
great post, TMH. I follow your "work" over at the Porg and am just waiting for Solaris to send me a user/password (I successfully applied to become a new member there, just haven't heard back since then) so I can join in over there.....keep it up!

As for the moldy pods issue, how does one tell for certain whether a pod is truly moldy or not? Is hard, black crustiness on the inside of the pod always 100% definitely mold, or can pods just get like that? I've never found anything I was *sure* was mold on a pod....

Anyway, I vastly prefer to use fresh pods harvested from my own garden, and although I only get to do that a few times per year, hopefully that will help me avoid the troubles you encountered!

chemicalwasteland
17-10-2005, 16:51
im just really curious how you could opt against moldy pods. Please tell me I hate them.
you hate them.

smackem
17-10-2005, 16:53
The only moldy pod I have got, I cracked it open, and there was black webbing inside the pod. Filled with black webbing. I put my nose up to it, it smelt like death. Follow ur nose!

Carfentanilfreak
18-10-2005, 01:46
The only moldy pod I have got, I cracked it open, and there was black webbing inside the pod. Filled with black webbing. I put my nose up to it, it smelt like death. Follow ur nose!

Im sorry I just thought that was hillarious but true. =D

I meant I hate moldy pods.

Angelus
18-10-2005, 17:07
carfentanil freak, pm me for a better pod source.

themadhungarian
20-10-2005, 01:50
I know this topic is pretty much dead, but one member asked a couple of more questions that no one else answered.
(BTW tsion, Solaris just posted that he is still going through the new members list and will be sending out the info to be part of the site, so hang tight!)

Being able to tell what is mold and what is not mold on yer poppies can literally save your life, so I use a couple of guidelines to insure what I am using is reasonably safe. If you see a lot of grey or whitish stringy material inside a pod when you crack it is bad news, that is mold for sure. Also if you see a lot of spores, it may look like dust or smoke, when you open the pod is also a sign of mold. If you get a moldy pod do not use it under any circumstances, just throw it away. If you notice a funky smell when you open the pod this is most likely mold too, so again toss that pod away.
Some pods will look like there are coffee grounds on the inside of the pod, but this is not mold. What happened is the pod got damaged during harvest, and some of the Opium has leaked into the pod, making the gills black and causing the seeds to stick to the inside walls, they are perfectly safe to use. Often times you will see black spots on the outside of pods, and this is almost never mold. It is usually caused by bruising the plant before drying, or due to insect damage.
To be safe, you should always wipe the outside of your pods off with a damp paper towel, this will get a lot of dust off as well as some nasties that could cling to the outside of the pod. There are many ways to prepare poppy tea, but to insure safety, you should prepare your pods with boiling water on the stovetop and use some alcohol in the process also. This will also kill off a lot of potential nasties that could harm you.
Be safe and have fun.

Carfentanilfreak
20-10-2005, 03:47
some good advice

Free Radical
29-12-2005, 21:03
Often times you will see black spots on the outside of pods, and this is almost never mold. It is usually caused by bruising the plant before drying, or due to insect damage.

well it must've been mold in my case. in an effort to neutralize the mycotoxins i added lemon juice & alcohol and boiled in the microwave for 9 mins. when i drank the tea, i got a nosebleed and was feeling more cracked-out, anxious & confused than euphoric...

so apparently alcohol, lemon juice, and boiling are fucking useless and my pods are just expensive trash :X :X :X :X

e: btw--don't order from a certain place in canada. i'm kind of pissed, cuz they served me so well in the past & now suddenly im getting fucked over. :p

Free Radical
29-12-2005, 23:06
^i swear if the person who sent me those pods was right in front of me, i'd attack em & beat em within in inch of his life for sending people poison. im sure he knows full well what people are doing with his dried flowers...

well.....im gonna try again tonight using only parts of the pods that are relatively free of the little black dots.

hopefully there'll be no anxiety, ringing ears or nosebleeds this time

...and hopefully i won't get liver cancer 8(

Hypostatize
30-12-2005, 01:03
Its like the sellers dont have the decency to just throw away and not sell the moldy pods, they have to make money off the useless ones also.

In their defense, it's almost impossible to tell externally if a pod will be modly inside. I've seen pods that look like crap on the inside but are full of goodness inside, and I've seen pods that look great on the outside but when I crack it open it's full of black death.

Unless there's an easy way to tell without cracking them open that I'm unaware of. It would save me a lot of time/disgust not having to crack them open and smell them to find out if they're bad.

Free Radical
30-12-2005, 04:36
^the pods i have look good on the inside but have small black spots on the outside

...and i've decided fuck it, i'm not gonna use em. i just remember how shitty i felt last time.....

guess i'll order more pods, but this time from a supplier that specifically states that their pods are mold-free

what a horrible waste of money, tho :(

e: actually i take that back. i said "fuck it" and made another batch tonight, same method. i used only the parts of pods that're mostly free of black spots and now ive got a really nice glow going on without any apparent ill effects. still....it doesn't seem very safe so im def getting new pods soon

Hypostatize
30-12-2005, 16:56
If they have small spots on the outside but are fine on the inside, I'd keep them. I don't believe that it's usually mold (I think it's bug bites/bruising/etc). At least I've never had a problem with them. So if you don't want them, PM me for my address and send them to me! :)

raybeez
31-12-2005, 02:23
Boiling, alcohol, acids, etc are a great way to kill bacteria/mold, but they do NOT kill spores, which are typically resistant to these types of treatments. They also do NOT remove heat-stable toxins produced by these types of organisms.

A more effective way to kill bacterial and mold spores is pasteurization. Essentially, this involves boiling the mixture, allowing it to cool (which will cause the spores to germinate, and lose their resistance to heat/chemicals), and then boiling again. Repeat 3-4 times.

Any heat-stable toxins that may have been deposited on the pods would still be present however, so caution should still be advised.

Free Radical
04-01-2006, 07:24
hyp: i've already experienced typical black mold symptoms from ingesting em, so it's probably a bad idea ;)

raybeez: fuck yeah. i will grind a whole bunch and try that!

DexterMeth
19-01-2006, 22:16
anyone ever reuse poppy seeds a couple days later that had already been used? I let them air out the last 2 days..left the caps off the bottles, but they still smell a bit of mold...not even close to as bad as usual though. so i made tea out of them today to see if i would get sick...stupid probably, but wanted to see what happens.

smackem
20-01-2006, 02:08
i have had wet tea grounds in a bag that had appeard to ferment a bit. I 86-ed em, it was a decision between getting sick (wd) and getting sick(god knows what). I reluctantly chose the wds

Maximon23
13-12-2007, 08:20
once a long time ago I cam across dried pod heads.

when I cracked one open to see what they look like inside it looked dark like the coffee grinds mentioned ^^^.

seeds stuck to the dark colored substance lining the inside chamber.

it smelled sort of like fresh dirt, not as funky as other pods I've smelled before; it smelled more like earth.

that was the good shit trapped inside, right?

MDPVagrant
13-12-2007, 08:40
^ Could have been both moldy AND have the 'good stuff' inside...

soundthecymbals
13-12-2007, 09:33
Oh look, another exhumed corpse..

Fail Fighter
27-04-2008, 13:25
Hello all. I'm just a n00b here, but I thought I'd contribute my $0.02. I ordered roughly a dozen giganthemum pods online and turned them all to dust in my blender. Being incredibly cautious about what I put in my body (as you all should be) I decided to inspect each pod first. I noticed that one pod had a hole in the side. It looked like perhaps a bug went inside. So I cracked it open and found this:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b195/Russell218/pod1.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b195/Russell218/pod3.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b195/Russell218/pod2.jpg


Every other pod was completely clean inside. This one was brown and mucky inside. Going by what I've read on the internet (and in this thread) this was the "good" kind of damage. It does look a bit like coffee grounds. Actually, it looks more like wood that termites have eaten. Anyway, I gave it the sniff test - and it smelled fine. Smelled just like a pod. There was no dust or fuzzy mold or anything else inside that seemed like genuine mold.

So I blended all the pods up. Long story short - it was the worst weekend of my life. I ended up with 80 grams total of blended pods. I cut it in half (40 grams) and made tea out of it. Then I spent all day performing the "iceolation" process to eventually arrive at what I thought would be a smokable product. In the end, I had a bunch of hard resin (not sticky like putty - I guess I got some of the oils out - but not powder either). I spent forever smoking the crap out of the resin and I felt absolutely nothing. After getting tired of punishing my lungs, I decided to use the other 40 grams of pod powder to make straight tea. This time I only strained it, then ran it through a coffee filter. The resulting liquid looked exactly like iced tea - no impurities or sludge in it. I proceeded to drink it all.

I'll just wrap up the rest of the experience in summary. I drank the tea at 2pm. I felt a very mild, very un-worthwhile "high" for the next 14 hours. I began projectile vomiting at 8pm, which ran until 5am. I had horrible flu-like symptoms, and could not even keep down 7-up and crackers. I was horribly miserable all night and considered going to the ER for dehydration.

Was it a moldy pod after all? Or maybe Poppy Pod tea is just the worst idea EVER. About myself; I'm a 23 year old electrical engineer/professional geek. I do not do drugs. This is the first time I've ever tried this tea. Perhaps some of the more hardcore drug addicts on this forum are used to drinking this horrible abomination of a drink, but for any n00bs like me who read this post - my advice to you is to stay FAR away from this joke of a drug. Considering how long I personally lurked on this forum before joining, I hope some other lurkers who are like me can read this post and learn from my mistakes - DON'T TRY THIS! At best, the "high" made me want to fall asleep. Oh joy. That makes it about as much fun as taking a nap. Except naps don't give you flu symptoms and make you wish you were dead.

garuda
27-04-2008, 14:07
I don't mean this to be too negative, but man you OD'd straight up.

You have never touched opiates before and then you decide to dose 40 grams of powdered pods? I mean come on, you're lucky thats all that happened. The half life on pods is incredible, it can actually get more intense up to 12 hours later if you have no tolerance to all the crazy alkaloids in it.

C'mon if you lurked as long as you claim, why the hell did you not start with 1-2 pods powdered?

Coolio
27-04-2008, 15:12
Wait, are you trying to tell me that white fuzzy/hairy type mold on poppy pods is bad for you? I've made dozens of cups of pod tea using white/grey mold infested pods. They never smelled like death, and I don't think they fouled up the taste too much. Though I have noticed way more side effects than expected from pods sometimes...

sonnyluv
27-04-2008, 19:37
Boiling, alcohol, acids, etc are a great way to kill bacteria/mold, but they do NOT kill spores, which are typically resistant to these types of treatments. They also do NOT remove heat-stable toxins produced by these types of organisms.

A more effective way to kill bacterial and mold spores is pasteurization. Essentially, this involves boiling the mixture, allowing it to cool (which will cause the spores to germinate, and lose their resistance to heat/chemicals), and then boiling again. Repeat 3-4 times.

Any heat-stable toxins that may have been deposited on the pods would still be present however, so caution should still be advised.


But wouldn't that kill all the opiate goodness? Boiling, I heard it breaksdown the opiates?

brainslookfunny
27-04-2008, 19:39
man that damn black mold is the craps
that picture posted is perfect example
drank a little of that back in the day, the stuff made me horrible ill
the dusty stuff on the outside seems to be ok,
but please avoid that black inner crust

fz1000
27-04-2008, 19:59
Look man, say you sit down to a nice steak dinner out and when they bring the food the steak has fuzzy greenish mold on it. The potato's are green and black and mushy. Well I don't know about you, but I'm not eating a bite of it.

Be safe; wipe off the outside with a damp cloth, if the inside looks different then the normal one's or smells moldy, trash it and wash your hands.

Fail Fighter
27-04-2008, 22:22
I don't mean this to be too negative, but man you OD'd straight up.

So you'd think :\ . I drank the first half of the tea, waited for an hour and felt nothing. I drank the second half and still barely felt anything. I'm not sure what gives. I have no tolerance for anything, so 10mg of Hydro will really mess me up. The tea didn't feel even close to that.

I had a slight "nod" going for maybe an hour or two, but the rest of the time just felt like that last stage coming down off shrooms where you don't want to talk or move. No euphoria or body high. Like I said, I can't explain it. The second 40g batch was soaked in water (initially at 65*C) for 3-4 hours. You'd think the opiates would have leached out by then.

At any rate, it was just an absolutely horrid experience. My stomach/abs are still sore from vomiting and dry-heaving.

Ham-milton
27-04-2008, 23:35
why is it that noobs always play lazarus? :)

Anyway, the problem with moldy pods is that it produces stronger physical symptoms and sometimes leaves you feeling massively sick. I haven't used them in maybe 2 years now, but I think nothing has changed here.

Fail Fighter, you massively overdosed. 40g is way too much for someone with no tolerance.

Fail Fighter
28-04-2008, 03:17
Ah... one of those magical overdoses where you don't actually feel anything...?

I'm a body-builder/health freak and I am certainly in touch with my own body, more so than most people. I have never overdosed on anything, ever. The tea was just a flat out joke. I'd like to blame the nausea on the one questionable pod, but in reality, I know it was just the horrid tea in general. It was a stupid waste of my time that only left me sick. I would have caught a better buzz off a single Darvocet :|

rave23
28-04-2008, 03:51
^^^ overdosed as in you took to much other crap compared to the actuall opiates you got into you.
They might be low in morphine content, and then you ingested a ton of other alkaloids that have no opiate feeling/effect at all. See what i mean?

CarlosK
25-08-2008, 18:40
I wish I had never found this thread and the topic, now I am perhaps overly paranoid about mold. I donít think anyone can completely irradiate the risk of mold. However, here is my conclusion.

If the pod has obvious mold throw it away, or set it aside to be used in an opium extraction process. Do not try to cut out the mold as unseen mold spores may have penetrated other parts of the pod.

If you are unsure about whether there is mold or not and intend to consume the poppies:

1: Wash the outside of the poppy pods.
2: When the pods are crushed up cover them in something acidic, vinegar, lemon, lime juice, stir for 10mins.
3: Cover them with alcohol, stir for 10 minutes.
4: Cover them with boiling water
5: (for extra safety) put the pods in the fridge, allow them to cool, and reheat them.
6 The final line of defence will be the stomake acids once the pods are consumed.

disclaimer: I know only what I have read, and the above is just a common sense approach to doing as many things as possible that ďmayĒ help remove the mold.

sonic
25-08-2008, 19:57
^ If you read the last page, another poster tried a similar "wash" with negative results. I don't think it's worth messing with moldy pods. You can try to scrape all the mold off them if the mold is contained on the inside. That's really the only way I've seen anyone salvage a moldy pod (by scraping or cutting out the bad parts).

stimutant
25-08-2008, 20:45
and that wont work, too - not all parrts of the mold are visible.
and i dont think it would be good to extract o from moldy poppies as mold produces toxic chemicals - who knows how to get rid of them?

CarlosK
25-08-2008, 21:01
I will quote something I just found:

"Straight vinegar reportedly kills 82 percent of mold. Pour
some white distilled vinegar straight into a spray bottle,
spray on the moldy area, and let set without rinsing if you
can put up with the smell. It will dissipate in a few hours."

Note: I think thats not your "normal" supermarket vinegar.

I cant imagine it would help the taste to completely soak the pods in vinegar, but certainly might be a good option for cleaning the outside of pods.

brainslookfunny
25-08-2008, 22:49
that sounds un-stomach-able

El Guapo
26-08-2008, 01:44
I used pods with some of the black "splotches" and dusty stuff and I haven't gotten sick from it. I'm not entirely sure its mold.

I have gotten other ones with wispy like black strings (like spider webs) and I threw them away. They smelled awful and I'm pretty sure that was mold.

BingeBoy
26-08-2008, 01:45
anyone ever reuse poppy seeds a couple days later that had already been used? I let them air out the last 2 days..left the caps off the bottles, but they still smell a bit of mold...not even close to as bad as usual though. so i made tea out of them today to see if i would get sick...stupid probably, but wanted to see what happens.

argh that vingegar taste from old pod or seed tea , disgusting

RoxiPoppyGirl
26-08-2008, 02:08
Strange.. when i first started doing pods (About a year and half ago) i included those nasty moldy pods in my dose. I didn't know better at the time. And amazingly i never got sick. I don't know.. maybe i got lucky. But now, i stay clear of them.

I usually get 1 or 2 moldies in each order. But, my most recent orders didn't even have one. The most I've ever gotten in an order was 6. I wasn't happy about that but i had 94 more pods left so that's ok.

I still can't believe i never got sick. Pretty stupid of me. But, at least i no better now.

And yea... I'd say you overdosed dude. 10mgs of Hydro messes you up? And you did 40 grams of powder. Your lucky your not just a memory.

If you do it right, pods are wonderful and offer excellent pain relief. I only do pods when i don't have my regular meds. I probably get one order a month. Pods are a great supplement.. as long as you are careful and responsible with them.

RPG

CarlosK
26-08-2008, 02:35
I thought I would take a few pictures.

This first picture is the state of my pods. They were picked just a few days ago. I guess itís quite late in the season for poppies as most are well dead and damaged, but I do find the occasional green pod.

The picture is not the best quality as itís just a phone pic, but you can see they donít look in great shape. The white is no problem; the camera makes it look worse. The white is just a very faint dust which comes off with a quick wash. What I am concerned about is the green spots at the top of the centre one. (not the black spots at the bottom)

http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=26082008406si3.jpg

Here you can see the result of my second attempt to extract the opium from my pods. Mash it all up with water, filter, filter, filter, bang it in the oven at 150 for hours until I get a treacle-like solution. It quickly hardens into a substance which is the same colour and texture as some soft cannabis. There is a brown tinge across the bottom of the dish, when scraped it is like a really fine powder.

http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=26082008407ry0.jpg

CloudyHazeD
26-08-2008, 02:41
I think some people are far more sensitive to the mold than others.

Obviously, we are all referencing the same type of mold.

In some, no symptoms present. In others, flu like symptoms present.

How could we 100% ID the mold?