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09-09-2005, 02:05
when i try to use the "search this forum" option at the bottom of the forum page it sends me straight to here: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/search.php with no results (of course)

and then when i try from there i get a error 404 message...is it just me or is it a software bug?

09-09-2005, 08:11
me too!

09-09-2005, 08:25
Well, i still cant get it functional...but Paradoxcycle was able to merge a duplicate thread with the one i wanted to find, so it seems it most like user error :\

11-09-2005, 00:33
When I search for DXM* by username Tranced there are no threads found.

I know that there are posts there because I have done a trip report on DXM and menitoned it various other times. Any ideas?

11-09-2005, 00:43
Did you try searching by Forums, and by titles only?

11-09-2005, 01:02
Yeah, I've just done it again and this was the only thread that came up. It was set to search "any time".

12-09-2005, 16:49
How long ago - is it possible the threads have been deleted/purged? A search for just the term 'DXM*' shows a lot of hits, so I'm wondering if your threads are just *gone*. :\

12-09-2005, 20:43
Here is one form April last year


As you can see I mention DXM quite a few times in that post alone. The only thread that appears when I search is the one you're reading now.

There were also more times that I've mentioned it, I'm sure of that.


12-09-2005, 20:51
Looks like the search engine can't find older results that easily, I've had it happen with many phrases/words over the last week or so, mostly with 3 and 4 letter words.

13-09-2005, 00:11
there seems to be a steady stream of problems with search - let's make this the start of a mega thread.


13-09-2005, 01:03
I feel proud to have created a mega thread. Does that mean it's really really good?

VBulletin boards need better search engines, something like a built in google would really hit the sweet spot.

13-09-2005, 01:23
not necessarily really really good but almost guaranteed to get really really long :)

i agree the vbulletin search could improve. a cursory glance the vbulletin forums (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/) suggests we're not alone in thinking this. short of "wait until the next upgrade" i'm not sure what to tell you...



13-09-2005, 01:30
Do you know what their reasoning is for limiting the search terms to three letters?

It's really really annoying.

13-09-2005, 03:37
i believe it's simply an index performance issue - dropping the limit would significantly increase the size of the size of the index.

that said, given the nature of bluelight's subject matter, three-letter abbreviations would, i imagine, commonly be part of a search.

in note that in vB 3.0 there is support for a 'reserved word list':

Admin CP -> vBulletin Options -> Message Searching Options -> Words to be Included Despite Character Limit
in the event of an upgrade, it's possible than common three-letter acronyms for, say, substance names woucl be added to such a list.


13-09-2005, 10:17
I can't search for any 3 letter words today even with the *.

14-09-2005, 06:34
this was happening to me the other day too, so i asked another bl'er to bump the thread for me and it worked fine for them.

it's working fine for me now though....

14-09-2005, 09:24
it was working fine 5 seconds ago and i got the damn 404 again...

I have threads to merge dammit :(

30-09-2005, 19:57
i've noticed that when i search....dxm* opiates...it says this pagecannot be displayed. in fact, almost any combination i've used with dxm does that. what gives?

30-09-2005, 19:58

im wrong i said 3 letter word but your *ing it

30-09-2005, 20:02
Off to Support, mods please move back if necessary.
Have you tried *DXM* - asterisks on either side of a three letter word.

30-09-2005, 21:04
yep...tried that...same result. sorry bout posting this in OD btw

11-10-2005, 22:55
searching has been upgraded/changed significantly. please report any errors or problems you're having here. thanks in advance and please bear with us until we get any kinks worked out.

14-10-2005, 20:42
in the hope that the upgrade solves some of the issues people ar ehaving, i'm going to cut this sticky loose.


15-10-2005, 06:01
clicking view all posts since last visit, i get the main search page. i loved that function, do u know wats wrong with it ?

edit: works now :) dont worry

15-10-2005, 14:55
It's sorted now.

The ability to search for 3 letter words is the best thing to happen to bluelight since I joined.

16-10-2005, 03:58
I don't think the wildcard is even working... or is that just me?

18-10-2005, 01:15
All sorted now and being able to search for 3 letter words is a good move.

Bliz0r - Wild card seems to be working at this end. The wildcard is the asterix, isn't it?

blase deviant
20-10-2005, 05:02
Whenever I type anything in, it acts as if I used the 'OR' operator, even if I specifically put 'AND' in there...

20-10-2005, 15:46
If you are referring to the search in BL, I agree, it is rather unco-operative. Boolean operators don't seem to work for me generally, so just go with trial and error.

24-10-2005, 21:31
i just tried some searches and as far as i can tell:

1. wildcard searching is not working at all

2. "AND" is always treated as "OR"

between these two, for me, we may as well have no search feature.


24-10-2005, 22:22
^ Fixed

24-10-2005, 22:33
thanks chris - you are a rockhttp://i.bluelight.ru/pi/16.gif


17-11-2005, 00:28
Alrighty, not to let search issues die

In NAE and MW we have instituted a thread title policy to aid in sorting the forum and finding what you're after. All threads start with the State, City and then event DATE then ending with the event NAME and any other relevant info like headliners. For example, "CO, Denver - 11.19.05 Saturday - Underground Sounds feat Bigfoot". Sorting the forum by Thread title gives you an easy way to find all events in your state/city and it lists them in chronological order.

The problem is if you use the search function and search for a date (keyword "11.19.05"), it always returns "No Results". If you use wildcards (keyword "11*19*05") you get useless results.

IS the search function capable of processing non-alphanumeric characters that are not wildcards (like hyphens, periods, question marks, etc)? Can it process some but not others (should we switch to colons, hyphens, or something besides a period)? Or, do we need to re-evaluate our DATE formats? I could see us switch to "Nov 19" but then a title sort would get out of whack (Dec occuring before Nov, and all).

Input from Sr. Admins and Engineers on the search capabilities would be helpful for general knowledge. Alternative suggestions to fix our problem (other dating schemes) would also be appreciated from anyone. Thanks.

17-11-2005, 00:41
Addendum - I have forgotten the single character wildcard (not the asterisk '*' for multiple characters, but a single character....perhaps the '?' would work, but I tried that and it isn't solving the issue to search for "11?16?05" either). :X

blase deviant
17-01-2006, 18:37
....I get a lot of 'UTFSE', but whenever I use the AND operator, it acts like I used OR.

I was wondering if I was doing it wrong or if it's been broken awhile.

I understand if it's a lot of work/problem with the code you guys use, just wondering.

BTW, props on a great site, this has just been a pet peeve of mine for awhile.

18-01-2006, 01:20
i don't think TFSE has an AND operator..

19-01-2006, 03:56
tfse is supposed to have a working 'and'. related reading: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=3576167&postcount=30

also: Search issues megathread (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=220943)


blase deviant
19-01-2006, 05:58
tfse is supposed to have a working 'and'. related reading: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=3576167&postcount=30

also: Search issues megathread (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=220943)


I know, and it annoys me to get 3,000,000x irrelevent results, and make a thread about something I KNOW has been covered thousands of times... and occasionally get told to UTFSE (but not often, since I guess the mods are aware of the issue, or maybe it's because I have a high post count, which means jack shit BTW).

30-07-2006, 22:23
if i search for posts by user 'alasdairm' containing 'yourself', search doesn't find this post: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=4268765&postcount=32


03-08-2006, 09:35
search is seriously broken.

there's a thread about 'six feet under' on the front page of f&t. if i search in titles only for "under" or "under*" it fails to find it. why?


03-08-2006, 15:35
Even a full site search for the word "under" (as well as "over") turns up no results. I'm going with your assertion that search is seriously broken. I'll see if someone can look at it.

03-08-2006, 19:12
related reading?:

Search - hit and miss results? (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=189106)

post #6 (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1150169&postcount=6) suggests a simple simprovement, but not a permanent solution.


04-08-2006, 11:27
The site index's have been rebuilt, let us know if better/worse/no change.

04-08-2006, 11:51
still fails to find the "under" (in the title) thread :(


04-08-2006, 16:51
The engineers are looking into it, but it might be a safety function within the search engine to not include common words. For example, if someone searched for the word "and" imagine what it would do to the site finding all those hits. I don't know if the engine does have a list of non-searchable words for this purpose, or if we can edit such a list if it exists - but the engineers are working to find out what is possible. I just wanted to throw this in as a possible reason why 'under' ins't being found....that, or TFSE just plain sucks.

15-08-2006, 10:56
Searching by title doesn't seem to be working for me?

I think it's if I search for a few terms and/or use a *

16-10-2006, 05:52

Can anyone tell me how long a searchid is stored for in the system?

When you do a search, the results come back but the search query itself isn't stored, but a 'searchid' is.

For example the url looks like this:


Obviously that searchid relates to the results that I got, but can I use that link and searchid to refer to those search results in future? If so, how long does that searchid remain "active"?

Thanks in advance

EDIT: I just found a related question: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=141955 which partially answers the question but still doesn't indicate how long until those results expire.

16-10-2006, 12:04
The search ID's are not kept for very long, I would need to check with the engineer but I think the search cache is flushed hourly.

Your link is dead already.

If you need to paste a link to a search you need to have the search defined in the URL like Frizz tried to explain. Similar instructions here:

How To Submit A Search Through The URL (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107955)

16-10-2006, 15:05
Cool, thanks!