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everythinginside
31-08-2005, 05:00
Drink it.

http://www.noborders.net/mate/

http://www.guayaki.com/

Instead of coffee.

I have been using the Guayaki brand for a couple weeks now. I don't drink coke, nearly as much... maybe one a day-now.

Tastes awesome- and it's good for you.. and it gives energy that lasts.

It's basically the South American green-tea. It actually contains more healthy substance... but I'm not sure if it contains one certain nutrient-ECCG- I think it's called, so I'm planning on continuing to drink green tea- as well...

Usually, in the mornings, I brew two Guayaki Greener Greens... which contain both Yerba Mate and Green Tea... the bags are each 3 grams, compared to 2 or so in other teas...

I never feel "drained", even after working a 10 hour-shift- on my feet all day.. This is the only stimulant beverage I drink.. usually.


Excerpt from Guayaki Website
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"The Healthy Stimulant," yerba maté is the base for herbal medicine in South America and has a staggering list of health benefits with 196 active compounds: 24 vitamins and minerals, 15 amino acids, and 11 polyphenols – powerful antioxidants. Maté is high in chlorophyll and can boast higher polyphenol and antioxidant counts than either green or black teas. Yerba maté provides a unique sustaining energy by its complex combination of xanthine alkaloids: caffeine, theophylline and theobromine. Feel the Good Energy
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Jamshyd
31-08-2005, 05:32
I, too, have found Yerba Maté to be the best source of Caffeine. I typically HATE caffeine but the balance of xanthines in Yerba Maté seem to be just right if I ever needed it.

So far I have only used raw bulk Yerba Maté, and although it tastes good as you sip, it leaves a disgusting oily after-taste. However, this can be prevented by adding herbs which leave a stronger after-taste.

An acquaintance of mine drinks Yerba Maté every day, and she mentioned a plant (for the life of me I can't remember!) that she adds to the brew and it actually tastes great! What is interesting is that this plant naturally grows close to the Yerba Maté. Or at least, thats what she told me.

BingeBoy
31-08-2005, 05:43
^
let the water you use cool to 80-90 degrees celsius before throwing it on your mate this will prevent a bitter aftertaste , what's an oily taste? I mean my tea looks kinda oily but that's it.

I get it (raw but not in bulk) from an eco store around the corner , never been able to stomach coffee , and now my favorite for a long while ginseng (which kinda seemed to potentiate opiates a little bit) also makes me throw up , so mate it is :)

kinda weird I can eat tons of pills like really a lot , drink cough syrup , eat raw poppies & poppy smoothies but orange juice / coffee and the like make me puke?

have I permanently damaged my stomach? should I go see a doctor?

Jamshyd
31-08-2005, 05:55
Thanks for the tip :). By "oily aftertaste" I mean it has the texture and flavour of drinking olive oil as-is (blargh!).

Finding certain things nauseating does not mean you permanently damaged your stomach - different people have different tastes.

Blue_Phlame
31-08-2005, 05:58
Yerba Mate Gourd and Bombilla (ThinkGeek.com) (http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/drinks/6147/)


^^^That looks awesome! i wanna order myself one.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/action/large/210b249.jpg

^^^ and doesn't that look like he's smokin a bowl of weed right there?^^^

BingeBoy
31-08-2005, 06:02
jamshyd-->
not nauseauting , I reall love Orange Juice , gulp it down then forget about it and wham it leaves me quicker than it entered me? (this happend one hour ago I sneezed while barfing , that's worse than any drug i've ever snorted , barf shouldn't be going through your nose ) , weird thing is grapefruit juice is ok while this seems just as or even more acidic?

on a more topical note , these leaves are from Ilex paruguensis , isn't that the coca shrub, by what process is the cocaine removed or does it just degrade when dried, really curious about this stuff ?

Jimmy the Gun
31-08-2005, 06:48
^you should start new threads then :)

matte is preatty go, so is tea and coffee though...

Jamshyd
01-09-2005, 03:29
Bingeboy: I really don't know what that orange juice problem is. Perhaps you have acquired an alergy towards it? try seeing a specialist.

To clarify: Ilex paraguariensis is the latin binomial for Yerba Maté. Coca leaves are usually either Erythroxylum coca or Eryhtroxylum novagranatense. I do not know how close or distant they are from each other, but they are certainly two different species. I assure you that paraguariensis does not contain cocaine, otherwise it wouldn't be so easy to acquire ;). That being said, the confusion is understandable, since tea from coca leaves is often called "Coca Maté"

PriestTheyCalledHim
29-09-2008, 08:00
I love yerba mate and I've drank it plain, put in honey and soy milk, and drank some mixed with orange/fruit juice. I'm going to try adding rooibos and spearmint and see how those are.

assembled
05-10-2008, 04:02
Question:

Does anyone ever experience temporary bouts of laughter after a few yerbas?

Ximot
06-10-2008, 22:26
/\ not per se, but it does most definitely give me a nice mood lift.

ebola?
13-10-2008, 23:14
I think that it tastes like dirt, but I find the caffeine and caffeine analog effects nice, much smoother than coffee (and a bit more so than tea).

ebola

Enki
13-10-2008, 23:34
I think that it tastes like dirt Exactly what I was going to say. Not metaphorically like dirt but it actually, truly tastes like dirt. I also think its stimulation is nicer and less jittery than other xanthines.

Student
14-10-2008, 01:49
^^ most likely for the following reasons

1. Brand- i dont really know if its cool to talk about this here? so pm me if you want some recommendations, ill talk about them if i find out its ok...

2. how you make it- first thing is use some cool water to cover the leaves and let it absorb into them a bit. it protects flavor and nutrients. also never use boiling water this will make the mate bitter. use it just before it boils. properly prepared mate should taste slightly sweet with a rich earthy flavor....

mate tastes best out of a well cured gourd and bombilla

however i usually make it in a large french press for convenience (second best tasting way)

also you could be making it too strong

hope this helps! :)

enjoy the mate!!!!!

and if anyone has some questions id be glad to answer them the best i can; maybe ill write a bit more about it and how to best enjoy later...

The Monkey Mantra
14-10-2008, 08:33
I love the flavor of mate, personally. It's far less tannic and harsh than green tea if you prepare it right, as mentioned above.

Lemme endorse a brand, and I'll let the mods remove it if they like: It's in a yellow package with a laurel of mate leaves and it's tasty as hell. Starts with a G . It's good stuff, and it's a Cal Poly project, so I can't help but give love to my alma mater. They do really good work in rainforest restoration and it's all fair trade and hippie safe as far as I know. They sell everything from bags to bulk, and they're really nice folks!

Try adding milk and honey if ya like. It's a great combo.

Student
14-10-2008, 23:11
i love the business practices of the above mentioned brand and so am partial for this reason (i think fair trade food is a huge step in the right direction in so many ways i wont even get into it)

however if you are a true mate connoisseur you may find it to be lacking in flavor but it is mild and great for newcomers

Gaian Planes
15-10-2008, 22:02
I love yerba mate and I've drank it plain, put in honey and soy milk, and drank some mixed with orange/fruit juice. I'm going to try adding rooibos and spearmint and see how those are.
ohhhhh rooibus is SO good. the taste instantly reminds me of sesshin (zen retreat) :)

Student
15-10-2008, 22:58
^^yessir i think ya know whats up with that one

rooibos compliments the flavor mate very well and is great for ya!

MynameisnotDeja
17-05-2009, 04:40
Bump- I see there already is a thread. :)

jam uh weezy
17-05-2009, 11:03
4 Teabags worth of Yerba Mate. Soy/ricemilk. Pure unfiltered honey. soooooo good.


As much as I love it, coffee really fucks with my stomach. I need to get some cocoa extract or pure cocoa too.

MynameisnotDeja
17-05-2009, 11:13
I'm so hopped up on the mate right now. lol

junctionalfunkie
18-05-2009, 17:19
I heard that it doesn't contain caffeine at all (or a negligible amount), but a massive dose of Vitamin E, which is responsible for the lift.

This is purely anecdotal, however. :\

Student
19-05-2009, 00:17
^ nope, definitely contains caffeine.

Does have quite a bit of vitamins/minerals and a shit ton of amino acids in it though as well as other xanthines so there is a lot more going on than just caffeine

drinking some rosamonte especial w/ blueberry rooibos atm. is good

MynameisnotDeja
19-05-2009, 02:01
It contains some caffeine, although not as much as green tea from what I understand. From what I can feel of the way it effects my body I can agree, as too much caffeine gives me a jittery feeling. I drank a ton of this stuff yesterday and I can still feel it, it's crazy. (Be warned, it can make it very hard to sleep)

Student
19-05-2009, 02:57
^ na more than green tea, less than coffee though.

it can make it hard to sleep in large amounts, but when you only have a cup or two it does surprisingly little to interfere with sleep for a stimulating beverage which is awesome. Some people claim it can even help relax one and facilitate sleep which i think is strange.

contains maoi's too which is pretty nifty

local people consider it a cure all almost and say that it helps to carry other herbs into the system quicker/synergise with them....

i know i feel more euphoric when i smoke some herb after a cup or two, but it may just be its mood lifting effects in combo with the ganj

MynameisnotDeja
19-05-2009, 06:40
MORE than green tea? Interesting. I'm not sure why I thought it was less.

It is simply AMAZING with pot. Such a good combo. Reminds me of the feeling I'd sometimes get doing a lot of coke with pot. Still stoned but this really pleasant alert feeling as well.

Lady Codone
19-05-2009, 08:29
I was on a HUUUUGE yerba kick for about 6 months before realizing it was causing/worsening my chronic kidney infections. For some ungodly reason, yerba will set off my burning pee/aching kidneys faster than anything else, including coffee, poppy tea, etc. I don't have a clue why this is, but it's definitely true for me.

Aside from that, yerba's a mellow-but-energizing drink with plenty of health benefits. It doesn't mess with blood sugar like coffee and is better for you than pop and energy drinks. With that said, it's probably best not to overdo it, as there's conflicting evidence that it causes throat and oral cancer in some people. It's far from conclusive, but something to think about nonetheless.

Drink up!

Nibiru
19-05-2009, 18:39
I found it too stimulating for me. I enjoy it when I have it, but it couldn't be an everyday sort of thing.

spacefacethebassace
20-05-2009, 02:45
Ah yes! I love the mate! I just drank a nice gourd a couple of hours ago...picked up the habit in Buenos Aires.

It definitely combines well with cannabis and tobacco. That combo is the psychoactive meat and potatoes of Argentina, haha.

Anybody had Materva? It's probably my favorite carbonated beverage.

MynameisnotDeja
20-05-2009, 03:15
I was on a HUUUUGE yerba kick for about 6 months before realizing it was causing/worsening my chronic kidney infections. For some ungodly reason, yerba will set off my burning pee/aching kidneys faster than anything else, including coffee, poppy tea, etc. I don't have a clue why this is, but it's definitely true for me.

Aside from that, yerba's a mellow-but-energizing drink with plenty of health benefits. It doesn't mess with blood sugar like coffee and is better for you than pop and energy drinks. With that said, it's probably best not to overdo it, as there's conflicting evidence that it causes throat and oral cancer in some people. It's far from conclusive, but something to think about nonetheless.

Drink up!

True, I've abused the shit out of it before, to the point where I would not even sleep at night at all. Very similar to how I was with coke, I think it effects me in the same way for some reason. I've stopped drinking it for the time being because I think it may be effecting my celiac disease now for some reason.. grr so frustrating.

McTwist
06-05-2010, 21:30
I typically drink 1 - 4 cups of mate a day, on average around 2 - 3. I've been brewing this tea (hot and cold) for about 2 months now. Although I haven't drank it everyday, most days I drink a cup in the morning and a cup in the evening. Yesterday, however, I drank about 5 cups because I was trying to motivate myself and focus on a research paper. I love mate, it's amazing and has provided me with a soft balance of light stimulation and relaxation, as well as providing me with other vitamins and minerals, but as I was browsing the web I came across this:


However, they did determine that if prepared in the traditional way and consumed in amounts typically enjoyed by South Americans who drink mate, the intake of certain carcinogenic PAHs was comparable to what a person would get by smoking a pack of cigarettes per day. The study authors noted that the comparison with cigarette smoking is supported by other research that shows that urine levels of the breakdown products of PAHs are similar after smoking cigarettes and after drinking mate.

source (http://www.caring4cancer.com/go/cancer/nutrition/questions)

this is worries me, although I can't see myself breaking out of this habit as I have fallen in love with this plant. I'm drinking a cup right now haha (added some piracetam too). I'm gonna die eventually but I'd rather not die from my own actions. Is there anyway to balance mate intake and still live a healthy cancer free life? Any long term mate drinkers have any input?

btw I'm pretty healthy and stay away from junk and fast food and I don't smoke cigs, but yesterday the amount of mate I drank could've equated to me smoking a pack of cigs! although without the nasty lungs.

PriestTheyCalledHim
06-05-2010, 21:51
I drink yerba mate hot and iced.

I do not drink it in a bombilla or the gourd with the straw or just the silver tipped straw but I was told how it's the the metal straws and consuming lots of very hot liquids all day that may theoretically cause cancer.

I drink 1-2 cups of yerba mate, not daily but I read how you have to drink as much as a liter daily in order to be theoretically at risk for cancer from it.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/mar/16/health/he-nutrition16

I've had as much as 3-4 standard to large cups of Mate in a day all at once and I did not like the side effects of drinking that much at once. I've drank a full small/standard sized tea or French press of Yerba Mate at once but I'd mix in honey and soymilk and I drank it in small cups. Ever make Mate with a coffee filter?

asecin
06-05-2010, 22:03
(edited because poster is being a douchebag)

McTwist
06-05-2010, 23:09
stfu stop cryuing over bullshit that might kill you. are you a girl ? only girls are so worried about drying or getting old or whatever. real men do not give a shit. we die much younger than women and we never cry about it. get a grip !

GTFO if you can't contribute. Do you see me crying over it? I'm just asking a fucking question, asshole. How about you go on and go fuck yourself. I like to know the consequences of my actions and be well-informed about the substances I am taking. I've known about the cancer risks for some time, but has that stopped me from drinking mate daily? No, so suck it. I was asking for people's anecdotal experience and advice with this issue, not your immature bullshit of a response that is not helpful in any way, and certainly does not comply with Bluelight's standards of harm reduction.

btw thanks for that article priest. didn't know about this:


Lab tests have suggested a host of benefits from yerba mate. In test tubes, the herb and its components reduce oxidative stress on heart and liver cells, protect DNA from damage in yeast cells and kill human liver cancer cells. In lab rats, the tea improves the flow of blood through blood vessels and reduces fat accumulation.

Student
07-05-2010, 04:46
Hi there! I too am a fan of mate and was very suprised to first hear of carcinogenic properties in mate, however I think this can be explained for two simple reasons that should lay your fears to rest. Also keep in mind the cases of mate being linked with cancer was when people were consuming it in obscene amounts.

Anyhow cancer causing explianation one is as preist said, is likely due to it being consumed hot. Hot liquids are linked to cancer of the areas they come in contact with to put it simply. I think ur safe if ur not imbibing large amounts of piping hot liquids with high frequency. Iv always wondered why ppl like their hot beverages so fuckin hot sometimes, I remember uncles microwacing their coffee right after it got done brewing and I couldn't imagine how that would be pleasent, I think ur body let's u know when shits too hot with this thing called pain.

Reason two is because mate is smoked. Plenty of studies showing smoke being carcinogenic. Good news tho, brands like ecotea (I think that's the name anyway) sell unsmoked green mate and its great, however smoked mate does have a particular fllavor I sometimes crave.

Anyway don't sweat it, if anything u should drink more by the sounds of it, its amazingly healthy! :)

Feel free to ask meany mate related q's and ill answer it to the best of my ability or at least point ya in the right direction.

kayenta
07-05-2010, 10:58
http://www.caring4cancer.com/go/cancer/nutrition/questions

Unless you're caning 50 cups a day, I wouldn't be overly concerned. There might be some carcinogenic potential, but it appears to have been conclusively shown to have anti-inflammatory and antioxidant properties as well.

MynameisnotDeja
07-05-2010, 17:20
I used to be addicted to the stuff. I thought it was a good alternative to coffee at the time because I had read it was rich in antioxidants so I was drinking like 10+ cups a day of it. I guess it was too much because my body suddenly freaked out and stopped tolerating it. I didn't change brands or anything but over the course of about a week I began reacting to it-big pussy sores breaking on my skin... :( I don't know if it's because its carcinogenic but my body sure can't handle it anymore. Sucks, because the "high" I got from it was great, better than coffee. I used to stay up all night writing and drinking that stuff and would just be so focused. Bummer.

I say enjoy it, and hope your body doesn't start saying no like mine did. I just wish I had known from the start that it wasn't a wonder tonic, rather something more like coffee which should be used in moderation.. maybe I wouldn't have become allergic. Blah.

ps- I talk about it in a lot of other threads but in case you didn't know I have severe autoimmune disease and am intolerant to a lot of things. So don't think this will necessarily happen to you, I'm just saying.

Percussion_is_Free
09-05-2010, 04:02
I used to drink tons of yerba mate for studying. I even have a gourd and bombilla. Stuff was great compared to coffee/espresso; great energy without the crash. But learning about the cancer concerns, I switched to green tea. Esophageal cancers are no picnic--I knew a surfer who came down with that cancer. It's very hard to treat because you can't just irradiate the throat, too much vital stuff around it like the thyroid gland. It led to a miserable death. After that, I switched to green tea, which has proven to be just as good as mate in giving me energy without the jitteriness or crash of coffee.

Basically a wonder drink, green tea has been proven to promote longevity by preventing the DNA from shedding telomeres, which are our cells' ticking time bombs. Green tea has enough caffeine to get a good buzz going, but the jittery effects are balanced out by a unique amino acid it contains called L-Theanine.

L-Theanine is an amino acid found in high levels in green tea that reduces anxiety, promotes mental clarity, and protects the brain from stress-induced damage. "First, this amino acid directly stimulates the production of alpha brain waves, creating a state of deep relaxation and mental alertness similar to what is achieved through meditation. Second, L-theanine is involved in the formation of the inhibitory neurotransmitter, gamma amino butyric acid (GABA). GABA influences the levels of two other neurotransmitters, dopamine and serotonin, producing the key relaxation effect. (2)"

http://www.web-us.com/l-theanine_anxiety_reducer.htm

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400635/Green-Tea-for-Longer-Life.html

Sentience
09-05-2010, 04:16
I think a big part of what gives people cancer is drinking liquids that are too hot. Damaging your esophagus increases cell division which increases the chances of a mistake during replication. Green tea has anti cancer effects, yet is associated with mouth and stomach cancer....dont drink liquids that are too hot.


I am not ruling out other toxins, but I think your risk decreases when you drink things at a more reasonable temperature.

MynameisnotDeja
09-05-2010, 04:22
Green tea also contains fluoride. I know fluoride is controversial and not everyone is against it or for it, but I just thought I'd throw it out there. I am against fluoride and I originally switched to mate because it's lower in fluoride. But then... yeah. I pretty much only drink herbal tea on occasion now.

Sentience
09-05-2010, 04:26
Inorganic green tea has more flouride. Green tea chelates metals so its a magnet for fluoride which binds to them. If the water they water the plants with is fluoridated then you will have massive levels, and that is bad for your health. If they are growth with rain water in a mountain region in the clouds, the levels will be lower.

Natural fluoride is good in moderation....and natural fluoride is good topically for teeth, but too much is a neurotoxin...

aluminum hexaflouride should never be ingested. Its a waste product. It should not be used in toothpaste nor added to the tap water.

MynameisnotDeja
09-05-2010, 04:29
Yep, my teeth and gums are doing much better now that I'm using an herbal toothpaste. No more bleeding gums, and my teeth don't hurt anymore.

Percussion_is_Free
09-05-2010, 19:41
On balance I still think green tea is a better alternative. See Dr. Weil on green tea and flouride:

Both green and black tea contain fluoride, although green tea contains twice the amount found in black. However, I wouldn't worry about the fluoride you get from either type of tea because even with green tea, the amount that people drink is unlikely to supply enough fluoride to reach toxic levels. About 50 percent of fluoride (from any source) is deposited in the bone and teeth; the other half is excreted.

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA22857

McTwist
10-05-2010, 17:08
Iv always wondered why ppl like their hot beverages so fuckin hot sometimes, I remember uncles microwacing their coffee right after it got done brewing and I couldn't imagine how that would be pleasent, I think ur body let's u know when shits too hot with this thing called pain.

Haha I was like that too, eating piping hot soup that would burn my mouth leaving me with tons of dead skin cells on the roof of my mouth, and my mate was pretty damn hot too. Now that I've perfected the art of brewing a cup, I no longer drink really hot tea. It's better when it's warm, I think.

Thanks for all your replies, I really appreciate it guys. I knew the studies which showed positive correlation between mate and cancer was due to high quantities being consumed and/or high temp, I just didn't know how many cups/leaf was being used. I guess those South Americans really love their mate, don't they?

And, Deja, what's this about herbal toothpaste? I'm turning into a certified hippie wanting all of this organic shit. I even started my own organic garden!

Sentience
11-05-2010, 03:33
You can reduce flouride toxicity by adding milk or soymilk with calcium...it will bond to the calcium, maybe be absorbed, but be deposited in the bones....you dont want it bonding to toxic metals or being absorbed in its free form.

MynameisnotDeja
11-05-2010, 17:14
Here's what I'm using at the moment:

http://www.houseofnutrition.com/027275200027.html?ovchn=CJN&ovcpn=Commission+Junction&ovcrn=Auromere%27s+Toothpaste+Herbal+4.16+fl+oz&ovtac=AFF

JahRed24x
30-06-2010, 22:15
I, too, have found Yerba Maté to be the best source of Caffeine. I typically HATE caffeine but the balance of xanthines in Yerba Maté seem to be just right if I ever needed it.

So far I have only used raw bulk Yerba Maté, and although it tastes good as you sip, it leaves a disgusting oily after-taste. However, this can be prevented by adding herbs which leave a stronger after-taste.

An acquaintance of mine drinks Yerba Maté every day, and she mentioned a plant (for the life of me I can't remember!) that she adds to the brew and it actually tastes great! What is interesting is that this plant naturally grows close to the Yerba Maté. Or at least, thats what she told me.

I drink my yerba mate sometimes mixed with Backhousia citriodora (AKA: Lemon Myrtle). Lemon Myrtle has an awesome 'citrus' like taste that really works well with Yerba Mate..(also I usually use the Yerba Mate thats mixed with green tea).. I find yerba mate to be the only 'caffeinated' like beverage I find myself drinking.. Your right about the combination of the different xanthines providing a better feeling then just straight caffeine. (In fact i just had a glass..t'was good.)

dcraver877
30-06-2010, 23:01
yerba mate does not contain caffeine. it contains theobromine.


"Xanthine, theophylline and theobromine are three strongly related alkaloids found in Yerba Maté and are the most interesting compounds from a therapeutic standpoint.
The Yerba Maté's xanthine rate averages 1.60%, whereas it is 1.10% in infusions."

http://www.noborders.net/mate/ingredients.html

rm-rf
03-07-2010, 19:04
awesome, i quit coffee about 3 weeks ago, and solely go with yerba mate now.

in the last year, ive been half and half with each.

now i just buy a huge bag of loose leaf mate.

help rainforest preservation via market demand! drink yerba mate.

doesntmatter
04-07-2010, 06:29
is brand dropping really an issue?

if not, what are some better quality options?