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AmphetamineNinja
25-05-2009, 19:33
hmm heres my experience

San Pedro Powder (great stuff, cactus powder i found to be active at several grams and powerful at doses of 15-20 grams) I cant wait to get some more of this...

Kava Kava ( very good if you find the right supplier, 84% paste is fun but overpriced, the upside is that it is quite euphoric if you dose high)

Kanna: tried a few times but never really got to into it

Coca leaf : Still on the fence on this one, a tablospoon boiled with kratom leads to an interesting high, strong and pleasent stimulation noted, but can go overboard if i smoke to much weed on this combo

Kratom: My love... never had i touched an opiate before this but it is now my baby - got me off being depended on kava, and i enjoy being depended on kratom more than any other 'addicition' Also its the first thing to end my residual amphetamine and ecstasy cravings from years back.

Blue lotus (makes a strong tea, pretty nice especialy if your buzzed on alcohol and want to up the high an interesting way instead of just getting more drunk)

Wild Dagga flowers (if your supplier is good then this is cool stuff, kinda of a mella euphoric stone, different than cannibus in that it makes you outgoing. It feels really good on the lungs and makes my breathing feel strong. Great to mix with cannibus as well, sometimes i smoke it before so im more relaxed for the trippier cannibus stone. I plan on keeping it stocked

Rhodiolo Rosea (rose root, a russian adoptagen, that can be quite potent, it increases serotonin and dopamine, and their efficiency i believe

Valerian Root ( A strong tea of this will relax you in such a way that anything pleasurable you may do you can appreciate more fully, also makes for great sleep, and yes it makes me feel high, i always find that i feel quite handsome and loving when i drink it.

^^ i agree sida cordifolia is nice i have two forms of it, a dried powder which i use a tablespoon of
and a 10% alkaloid extraction which i use 1/2 tsp of and i feel as if im on speed

PsyGhost
04-07-2009, 20:01
Ok so I started experimenting with kratom once again. 8.8g powdered leaf in hot tea form (strained). Got me stimulated for sure, definitely felt like I was on amphetamine with a little more of a head buzz thing going on.

I was looking more for the opiate side of things, but this time and the last before it (months ago) have been on the stimulant side of things.

A dose related thing?

ungelesene_bettlek
04-07-2009, 20:57
Ok so I started experimenting with kratom once again. 8.8g powdered leaf in hot tea form (strained). Got me stimulated for sure, definitely felt like I was on amphetamine with a little more of a head buzz thing going on.
how is the stimulating effect of low kratom doses actually explained pharmalogically?

PsyGhost
04-07-2009, 21:10
well im not a pharmacologist but of kratom the literature says, "an increase in the excitability of the cranio-sacral and sympathetic portion of the involuntary nervous system, and an increase in the excitability of the medulla and the motor centers of the CNS"

Moonmixer
08-10-2009, 05:17
http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/legal_highs/legal_highs.shtml

Erowid FTW. Has just about everything in there, although it would take some sorting to find the good 'uns.

I've heard some interesting things about Sinicuichi lately. Here (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=465741)'s the link to a thread I started about it, for anyone interested.

swilow
08-10-2009, 06:29
Sinicuichi

I have heard terrible things about this stuff. I thinks the effect of acetyl-choline is to blame.

eurolite
07-01-2010, 05:46
Anyone have any experience with this, from the research I have done on it, it induces very vivid dreams which sounds very interesting to me.

I was planning on procuring a decent quantity of such herb and doing some experimenting with it I am fascinated with dreaming.

Any feedback I can get on this would be great, perhaps some tips on how to consume it or what mindset to go to sleep while on it, etc.

I will also let you all know how it works out when I try it out.

stormyweathers
08-01-2010, 00:23
what is the active chemical?

eurolite
08-01-2010, 04:17
what is the active chemical?

Silene capensis (syn. Silene undulata) (also known as African Dream Root) is a plant native to the Eastern Cape of South Africa, where it is regarded by the Xhosa people as a sacred plant. Its root is traditionally used to induce vivid (and according to the Xhosa, prophetic) lucid dreams during the initiation process of shamans, classifying it a naturally-occurring oneirogen similar to the more well-known dream herb Calea zacatechichi.

I asume the herb its self is the name of the unique active chemical in it.

** It is a 100% natural herb and I know it is safe to use and it has been used by shamans for centuries **

TheAzo
08-01-2010, 06:33
Just because shamans have used it for centuries doesnt make it safe! Wern't there traditions that ate datura/nightshade for shamanic purposes? (Presumably in places where nothing better grew >.> )

A quick googling yielded no information about the active chemicals (i am guessing it's not known), and lots of people shoveling it down their throats and debating whether it did anything notable.

eurolite
08-01-2010, 08:30
Just because shamans have used it for centuries doesnt make it safe! Wern't there traditions that ate datura/nightshade for shamanic purposes? (Presumably in places where nothing better grew >.> )

A quick googling yielded no information about the active chemicals (i am guessing it's not known), and lots of people shoveling it down their throats and debating whether it did anything notable.


Your point?
Datura when properly used is safe. To be more specific the main active chemicals in Datura happen to be scopolamine, hyoscyamine, and atropine all of which you can find in FDA approved prescriptions used for various different things.

*** READ THIS ***
*WARNING: Datura is a very dangerous deleriant which can cause full blown psychosis / delerium and even death if improperly used. Do not under any circumstances attempt to dose it on your own.*

With that being said note I said "when properly used" believe it or not ancient shaman knew what they were doing. Through years of experimentation they knew what parts of the plant had what types of potency for the specific climate they were grown in allowing them to distribute a safe and predictable dose.

Although Datura was used in some ancient traditions it was pretty rare. You are probably thinking of "Tree Datura / Brugmansia" which was commonly used in traditional Peruvian Ayahusca which is similar but not the exact same as the Datura you are thinking of.

Although the shaman may not have had access to the advanced equipment we have these days they did however have thousands of years of test dummies to perfect and determine the safety of their concoctions (probably tons of deaths in the process) whereas we rely on animal testing which produces similar but not exact results.

I suggest doing some research before simply writing off shaman as a bunch of toad licking crazies eating anything that makes them high. Researchers even to this day are learning and finding many natural remedies from these shaman and their ancient brews, some producing even better results than the synthetic drugs we use today.

I have access to a ton of private pharmacology journals through my University. I plan to search through them when I have the time to see if any research has been done on ubulawu. Although it is unlikely to still be 100% proven safe (what drug is 100% safe) I would trust a natural herb that has been used for thousands of years before many of the newly designed research chemicals with little to no history of human use many people eat by the masses these days.


My main point being with the proper precautions and dosing procedures although it is not foolproof "Just because shamans have used it for centuries" makes it safer to try then a lot of the shit people dose these days.

** Now no one misunderstand me, I am not saying just because shaman used it go off and eat a bunch of psychoactive herbs! Do the proper research to find a safe dose, know the possible side effects and always have a backup plan like anti-psychotic drugs on hand and a trip sitter, etc **

This is why I made this post, to ask if anyone has experience with this herb so I can learn what to expect and what is safe to do with it / what is not.

Qnick
08-01-2010, 20:03
Your point?
Now no one misunderstand me, I am not saying just because shaman used it go off and eat a bunch of psychoactive herbs! Do the proper research to find a safe dose, know the possible side effects and always have a backup plan like anti-psychotic drugs on hand and a trip sitter, etc

I might be wrong, but the anti-psychotics only work to bring down trippers on drugs that act on the serotonin system.
I don't think it would do much for someone who took too much datura (an anticholinergic).

eurolite
08-01-2010, 22:55
I might be wrong, but the anti-psychotics only work to bring down trippers on drugs that act on the serotonin system.
I don't think it would do much for someone who took too much datura (an anticholinergic).

Most antipsychotics cause sedation which would help calm down and prevent someone experiencing drug induced psychosis / delerium from harming themself.

Unless you grow your own Datura in a controlled environment the potency would vary greatly which is why it is such a dangerous plant. One flower from one place might not even effect you while another might be potent enough to poison you badly enough to cause death, no matter what drug you have it wont help cure an overdose which is why I don't recommend Datura at all.

love_sex_desire
27-01-2010, 21:53
Which ethnobotanicals are worth trying?

I've currently got a package on the way with:

1 ounce of blue lotus
1 gram of 85% extract blue lotus
1 ounce premium bali kratom
1 ounce "super" indo kratom
1 ounce spike tipped thai kratom (similar to maeng da)
1 ounce salvia leaves
1 gram 25X salvia

I'd like to know how people prefer to take blue lotus and what the dosages are.

Should it be infused with wine?
If I infuse it in wine for a week, how much should I put in for 2 people?
How much blue lotus is required for tea for 2 people?

I think I am going to smoke the blue lotus extract and let bluelight know if it was worth it.

With the flowers I'll make a wine, and see if there is any leftover for making a tea or just smoking the flowers.

I'd also like to know what are people's opinions on the different kinds of kratom?

It seems like bali is the best deal, but one of the least potent.
I also hear extracts are a waste of time unless you have a huge kratom/opiate tolerance.

I'm also wondering if any other ethnobotanicals are worth trying out and what their effects are such as:

pedicularis densiflora (Indian Warrior)
pedicularis groenlandica (Elephants Head)
mulungu (shredded bark or extract?)
kava kava
passionflower
wild dagga (lion's tail) etc.
ashwagandha
kanna (sceletium toruosum)
skull cap
wormwood
damiana (I've heard doesn't do anything)

I don't see ethnobotanicals talked about on bluelight very often. Hopefully we can get a discussion going.

guerillabedlam
28-01-2010, 08:06
My favorite natural entheogens in order:

1) San Pedro
2) Marijuana
3) Mushrooms
4) Salvia
5) Kratom powdered extract
6) Kava Kava
7) Kanna
8 ) Mugwort/wormwood
9) Catnip

love_sex_desire
28-01-2010, 11:01
^^ I'd like to hear of your experiences with kava, kanna, mugwort/wormwood and catnip such as doses, preparation, r.o.a. etc. I've just scratched the surface of all the unique plants out there and I'd like to get an idea of what I might be interested in from my trusted source of information.... bluelight!

What are peoples experienes with ethnobotanicals? Which ones are worth it?

guerillabedlam
28-01-2010, 12:25
Kava i just used the tincture from the health food store, i've heard it's not as powerful compared to the actual root and by itself the tincture wasn't terribly effective, but it does combine with Marijuana beautifully and I have even got some mild visual distortions with that mix on probably about 1/4 of the bottle. My buddy while on the mix completely forgot i was in the room with him and he was pretty much zoned out looking at his computer. If you use the tincture i recommend doing a dose until you feel it, instead of following erowid or other dosage reports. For R.o.a i pretty much used the accompanying dropper for a bit then mixed it with some milk when i couldn't take it straight anymore, the milk still didn't taste that great but was better.

Kanna, mugwort/wormwood and catnip i have all smoked, and then i also snorted kanna once (not recommended) and made a mugwort/damiana tea which was not that effective. Kanna is a decent high, it lacks some of the euphoria or analytic aspects of marijuana. I smoked a mugwort/wormwood mix and for about 1/2 hour to 45 minutes the high is really pleasant, i don't get anywhere near as stoned as pot but it's very lucid and lacks that cloudy head feeling of pot which i enjoy. If that were to persist for a bit longer i would say it's worth it but it only lasts that long and the smoke is to harsh for me to redose. Catnip is also mildly effective but worthless and left me with a headache.

love_sex_desire
29-01-2010, 09:03
My favorite natural entheogens in order:

1) San Pedro
2) Marijuana
3) Mushrooms
4) Salvia
5) Kratom powdered extract
6) Kava Kava
7) Kanna
8 ) Mugwort/wormwood
9) Catnip


Kava i just used the tincture from the health food store, i've heard it's not as powerful compared to the actual root and by itself the tincture wasn't terribly effective, but it does combine with Marijuana beautifully and I have even got some mild visual distortions with that mix on probably about 1/4 of the bottle. My buddy while on the mix completely forgot i was in the room with him and he was pretty much zoned out looking at his computer. If you use the tincture i recommend doing a dose until you feel it, instead of following erowid or other dosage reports. For R.o.a i pretty much used the accompanying dropper for a bit then mixed it with some milk when i couldn't take it straight anymore, the milk still didn't taste that great but was better.

Kanna, mugwort/wormwood and catnip i have all smoked, and then i also snorted kanna once (not recommended) and made a mugwort/damiana tea which was not that effective. Kanna is a decent high, it lacks some of the euphoria or analytic aspects of marijuana. I smoked a mugwort/wormwood mix and for about 1/2 hour to 45 minutes the high is really pleasant, i don't get anywhere near as stoned as pot but it's very lucid and lacks that cloudy head feeling of pot which i enjoy. If that were to persist for a bit longer i would say it's worth it but it only lasts that long and the smoke is to harsh for me to redose. Catnip is also mildly effective but worthless and left me with a headache.

So you thought catnip was worthless, yet it is on your list of favorite entheogens? lol Sorry, it's just that I thought you were endorsing it. So I'll scratch catnip off the list.

fnog9
30-01-2010, 06:38
Anyone have any experience with this, from the research I have done on it, it induces very vivid dreams which sounds very interesting to me.

Yeah, I tried it for the first time last night. I took probably a little over a gram, but I have read many sources say that 0.5 grams is a dose. I also read that dosing heavier will not give a stronger effect, as it will have a purging effect. I did not find that to be true. I experience no nausea or purging effects.

Just before going to bed, I soaked the roots in hot water for 15 mins to soften them and then just chewed them until there was nothing left to chew. I discarded the used roots. It just basically tasted like you would expect any dried bark to taste. Not too bad. I was surprised at how sleepy it made me feel within 20 mins. Surprised bc I don't get drowsy easily, so it definitely had an effect.

I will try to take a lower dosage today because here's what happened...... the world actually became slightly dreamy even before going to bed. Shortly after lying down, I started having the most defined and intense pre sleep images I have ever had (hypnagogic imagery). I didn't actually see colors, but I was having very clear dream like images and thoughts in my head. The problem with this was that I was still awake and the intense imagery prevented me from getting to sleep. My mind felt too active to go to sleep. I actually slept VERY little last night. The effects of the herb seemed to have worn off by the time I got up.

But, the good news is I did not feel groggy or unpleasant at all. No noticeable side effects. I have never heard of anyone having bad reactions to this herb, so that's good news. We'll see how tonight goes.

From my experience, I wonder if this herb is a very mild psychedelic.

Captain.Heroin
30-01-2010, 06:55
Calea zacatechichi.

I've had this a handful of times. It is all right. I don't particularly care for it.

Pegasus
30-01-2010, 06:59
A quick googling yielded no information about the active chemicals (i am guessing it's not known), and lots of people shoveling it down their throats and debating whether it did anything notable.

Lol, I love the way you phrased that!

love_sex_desire
08-02-2010, 06:58
So does anyone have any experience with some interesting ethnobotanicals?

I tried kratom for the first time yesterday. 5 grams of super indo kratom followed by 3 grams and 2 grams a few hours later. Total 10 grams and it was very enjoyable! My girlfriend did 6 grams and felt great, so I think kratom might be more weight sensitive as she is much smaller than me.

I'm wondering if the pedicularis varieties are worth checking out.
I'm also interested in a pedicularis extract. I can get a 20X pedicularis extract with Indian Warrior, Parrots Beak and Elephants Head varieties. Anyone tried pedicularis products?

What about mulungu? Anyone tried it and thought it was worth it?

Ashwaganda?

Any suggestions?

(This is post 420 for me! ;))

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09-02-2010, 22:12
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10-02-2010, 01:31
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10-02-2010, 02:56
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10-02-2010, 05:32
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Teotzlcoatl
10-02-2010, 23:34
Silene is safe and very effective at producing dreams and lucid dreams.

infinitelight
11-02-2010, 07:13
Jesus, that's pricey. But it would be a damn interesting trip.

drminaq
13-03-2010, 19:28
My feline friend acquired some regular dried leaf Kratom, some blue lotus x20 and kratom X15. In the interest of science how would one go about preparing these substance to maximize their utility? I have read about boiling repeatedly, soaking in spirits, chewing it, smoking it and more.

My questions are; 3 grams of blue lotus x 20 should steep in a 6 oz of gin for how long before consumption?

I also wonder has anyone had success with just swallowing the kratom powder whole? Or does it need to be boiled successively to extract the active goodies?

thanks for the help?

Johnnywas
15-03-2010, 01:43
Kratom leaves - some people toss and wash, however I prefer to boil as this kills any germs such as birdshit or south east Asian floor scrapings ;) Kratom handles heat very well, even quarantine heat treatments.

Start with 10 grams (I like 12-13 but have tolerance.) Boil in 1L water in a saucepan for 10-15 mins, strain and serve. This process is repeated 3-4 times, each time providing a weaker brew. I also add a table spoon of yerba mate to the brew and some honey for taste.

Re: Kratom 15X - Its not really 15X, more like 5X. Just stir 3 grams in juice and skull back.

You can preload with 500ml Grapefruit juice 15 mins before the Kratom to increase its effect. If so half the dosage of Kratom.

Smoking Kratom is a waste, but does provide some mild effect.

Some people will experience nausea during drinking or within first hour. Lie down, smoke weed, it will pass. I often spew if not smoking weed before consumption, but its a gentle spew and I feel great once I let it out. Ginger may also help with this issue. Kratom should always be consumed on an empty stomach. Drink it slowly, skulling back will make you sick.

Keep in mind Kratom is psychically addictive. I became strongly addicted using upto 30 gram a day for a couple of years before going through a nasty withdrawal.

Re: Blue Lotus 20X - Blue Lotus is very subtle in effect. I just place some on top of a cone of weed and smoke. Goes nice with the Kratom. You can also drop the 3g in a bottle of red wine for 1 week, shaking daily. Serves 2.

Delsyd
15-03-2010, 02:50
thread merged to ethno's thread :)

fnog9
26-03-2010, 07:14
I notice a lot of people are saying they take silene capensis in the morning for some reason. Don't bother!!!! This drug seems to be selective, as it affects some people and not others. I am one of the people who does get heavily affected by this herb, and I can tell you it has a very distinct effect, and a very distinct time that it lasts. It will wear off after 6 hours, so taking it in the morning will be useless. I can't even take it and get to sleep bc my mind is too active. It's just a little bit weaker than a quid of salvia leaves. Take silene capensis sublingually.

nekointheclouds
06-05-2010, 04:02
Hey Guys. I am 26 and have AD/HD, the attention deficient kind. I am naturally very laid back, so I usually look for natural drugs to help perk me up and keep me focused.

Kratom - Currently my favorite. I love this stuff, when I can afford it. Its a nix mix of stimulation and euphoria to make me want to work. I try to space out how much I buy, and since I dont have a lot of money, that helps fight the addiction.

Ephedra - This is good, but mild. Its a nice pick me up.

I just ordered some Kanna the other day, I'm really looking forward to trying it out. I am anxiously awaiting its arrival.

Xorkoth
06-05-2010, 09:42
Whoever recommended 10 grams of kratom to start... that's too much to start. My wife likes 2 grams. PepperSocks, one of the PD mods, likes 1.5. You really need to start low because you don't want too much kratom. You may end up needing 10, but IMO that's if you have weak kratom. Personally when I use it I like more like 7 or 8, and I used to use it multiple times every day.

gymstud
20-04-2012, 10:33
If I grow khat in my garden im afraid my dog or child my seat it would they be made ill

RhythmSpring
15-07-2013, 19:53
Here is one report of someone who drank a brew of Ajo Sacha, or the false garlic vine of the Amazon, which is used medicinally by curanderos:

http://www.bluecanvas.com/blog-post/2917

And I have yet to write a report of my experience on Chuchuhuasi, another medicinal plant (tree), an "aphrodisiac" among other things, from the Amazon. I got a tincture of it, and one full dropperful put me in an altered state that was conducive to subtle visions. I wonder what something like 8 dropperfuls would be like, but I am hesitant because it's basically a shaman's tool that I'm fucking around with with no experience, and I don't know anyone else who has done it.

Just posting this up so that people are aware of this. The Amazon rainforest is a treasure trove of medicinal(ly) psychoactive plants that we are just beginning to discover.

EarthBounded
15-07-2013, 21:06
Wow very good read about Ajo Sacha. This is my first time hearing of it, thank you!

kingme
15-07-2013, 21:30
too bad these are this obscure... i imagine many would rather taste natural novel chemicals than alphabet permutations on the same structures...
nice read on the ajo :-) cheers

EarthBounded
15-07-2013, 21:35
^^^ Time will change this IMO

babylonboy
15-07-2013, 21:41
^History seems to be headed in rather the opposite direction. Once it was the poppy, the vine and hashish. Now it's MDMA and ketamine.

justinsayno
15-07-2013, 23:26
^ There is no better way of future-proofing your supply than growing it

Thanks OP, this does sound interesting. I like the idea of natural CEV / dissociative / dreamy type things.

I would also be interested in reading more about your tincture

kidklmx
15-07-2013, 23:41
Other accounts on Ajo Sacha seem rather different, though maybe the guy took a much higher dose than others. In lower-doses at least it gives a sharpening of the senses (not entirely unlike psychedelics this) and improves courage. Also used as an additive to Ayahausca brews sometimes

Rorthron
15-07-2013, 23:48
Looks like delirium to me. My bet is that the actives are something tropane based, similar to scopolamine or atropine.

kidklmx
16-07-2013, 00:00
Based on what? The vividness of the experience? From all the deleriant experiences I read, the sort of experience doesn't really compare. It's always weird and senseless (thinking you're smoking cigarettes, talking to someone about nothing), or downright dysphoric in most cases (insects crawling out your skin).

MMDA produces vivid visions as well, could be a compound with similar action to that?

justinsayno
16-07-2013, 00:57
MMDA produces vivid visions as well, could be a compound with similar action to that?

Now theres some wishful thinking ;)

Rorthron
16-07-2013, 12:13
Based on what? The vividness of the experience? From all the deleriant experiences I read, the sort of experience doesn't really compare. It's always weird and senseless (thinking you're smoking cigarettes, talking to someone about nothing), or downright dysphoric in most cases (insects crawling out your skin).

MMDA produces vivid visions as well, could be a compound with similar action to that?

It could be anything. My guess, based on the report, is that it may be a deliriant and I've read similar reports with people on Datura.
Perhaps it was the way it was written, but it seemed like delirium. Deliants are not unknown in the Amazon and even Datura is occasionally used on Ayahuasca

naughtynicknails
16-07-2013, 12:27
It really does sound like delerium (I've been there on more than one occasion)..

Or maybe ibogaine at a stretch.

RhythmSpring
16-07-2013, 13:22
"Delerium"? Stop trying to talk about something you have no idea about and do some research on the plant. The active compounds in Ajo Sacha appear to be mainly plant steroids.

http://www.rain-tree.com/mansoa.htm#.UeUdnVNIkS4

Solipsis
16-07-2013, 16:47
I bet the set & setting alone of a person participating in shamanistic rituals in the Amazon, some persons fasting, (or especially for another person reporting who took ayahuasca the day before for heaven's sake!) can be enough to induce vivid dreams. The tech report on ajo sacha does not really mention psychoactive effects but who knows, maybe we can call it a putative oneirogen.

I do have respect for healing rituals as a whole, but I do have my doubts about the efficacy of some of the healing ethnobotanicals if you were to use them in a more neutral unbiased set & setting.

Chuchuhuasi does sound interesting, no idea about the mechanism of action.

Either way, I'd like to hear some reports from people just using it at home out of curiosity. Hopefully then we can see what remains of biochemically mediated psychoactive effects.

kidklmx
16-07-2013, 18:20
I bet the set & setting alone of a person participating in shamanistic rituals in the Amazon, some persons fasting, (or especially for another person reporting who took ayahuasca the day before for heaven's sake!) can be enough to induce vivid dreams. The tech report on ajo sacha does not really mention psychoactive effects but who knows, maybe we can call it a putative oneirogen.

I do have respect for healing rituals as a whole, but I do have my doubts about the efficacy of some of the healing ethnobotanicals if you were to use them in a more neutral unbiased set & setting.

I guess the western medicine man's job would be much easier if he could downright lie to those in trouble