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Tryptamine*Dreamer
22-08-2008, 08:40
I like growing things. So many things on that list I need to plant. I've already grown some of them.

I need to get a new salvia plant, before it is made illegal.

There are some in that list I'd like to try.

I'll give my opinion of those I have used:

HBWR/LSAs - These have produced the most beautiful, meaningful, and helpful trips of my life. The side effects can be hard to tolerate, but it is definitely worth it if you can get past the physical suffering. I've grown these. They are easy to grow, but must be protected from cold. They do not flower until the second year. Morning glories would be better for non tropical environments. I've grown them too, and they are about the easiest thing to grow.

Cacti/mescaline - Mescaline is a really nice substance. It hasn't produced any +4 type trips for me, but it is fun and has given some meaningful and memorable experiences.

Salvia - Very intense and weird. I like it, but have not yet "broken through". It can be hard to grow. I've done it before, and my plants died. I'll try again.

Kratom - Very much like poppies, but more expensive. I'd like to try growing myself. Definitely worthwhile if you like opiates.

Desmanthus - Easy to grow outdoors, supposed to have pretty high DMT content. I've got some growing, but haven't used any yet.

Calamus - I haven't grown it, but I have had the misfortune of eating it. Not fun unless you like hours of puking, cramping, and puking some more with little or no psychoactive effects.

Kanna - I'd like to grow this. I've smoked it with good effects. It doesn't give a strong high, but there is a nice mood lift. Maybe I could get higher if I smoked more, but I am all out. It may be useful as an antidepressant. I'm going to buy a cutting and give it a try.

Sinicuichi - Never tried growing it. It is ok as an intoxicant in small or moderate amounts, but not very strong or psychedelic. Large amounts can cause the most painful muscle cramps you can imagine, all through the body.

Kava - This is pretty nice as a relaxant, sedative, and mildly euphoric. I don't know how easy it is to grow, but I may look into that.

Voacanga - I've eaten the seeds at low dose to see if it would do anything. It did not. Others have had vomiting and cramping from larger amounts, with little or no psychoactive effects. Not worth it.

Ephedra - Ok as a stimulant and appetite suppressant in small-moderate amounts. It can really raise BP and heart rate if too much is used. It is also easy to grow, from what I've read. I may grow some.

Catnip - May have mild sedative effects, may have been placebo. The taste of catnip tea is nice, IMO, so I'll drink it again in the future. I tried to grow some, but the seeds never came up. It should grow and spread like a weed once established.


I'd like to try lagochilus inebrians, coleus, and wild dagga. I'd try growing khat if I can get some seeds. And Iboga. I've been wanting to try ibogaine for a long time.

Limpet_Chicken
23-08-2008, 05:46
I can report on sinicuichi, didn't do anything at all, other than give me the most awful muscle aches the day after.

Seemingly vertine is a potent anticholinesterase, which got me more interested in wether perhaps, this plant might make a good nootropic.

Student
23-08-2008, 06:11
@egore

i sampled iceplant on a few occasions years ago, its pretty much got the same things going on as kanna which i never found to have much to it i guess. maybe im missing something tho?

@tryptaminedreamer

kava is awesome but very difficult to grow, it takes years till it is worth harvesting and such, plus i think it may not be the most hardy plant... i dont know much about its cultivation tho i just thought id let ya know the above :)

@limpet

you need to ferment the plant in order to gain the proper effects, i have not myself tried the ferment but did try an extract of it years ago to very little effect.
its pretty easy to find some pointers on fermentation, it has always caught my eye as an interesting plant, good luck!

Limpet_Chicken
23-08-2008, 19:55
Yeah I know, I got some that had been ready-fermented and dried.

Its still sitting on one of my shelves actually, I never really experimented much with it, the first time was most unpleasant.

PsyGhost
23-08-2008, 21:38
last night my cat at my khat plant. it was over a year old. the plant takes 3-5 years to reach maturity. :(


Calamus - I haven't grown it, but I have had the misfortune of eating it. Not fun unless you like hours of puking, cramping, and puking some more with little or no psychoactive effects.


Don't eat calamus, chew it.

Limpet_Chicken
24-08-2008, 23:26
Damn :/ your poor cat, is your cat OK?

I've been waiting to get round to growing a few khat plants myself, although I can't actually use it, still, would be a good plant to add to my sadly now post-jail depleted ethnobotanical plant collection :)

Shadowmeister
25-08-2008, 11:11
Yeah I know, I got some that had been ready-fermented and dried.

Its still sitting on one of my shelves actually, I never really experimented much with it, the first time was most unpleasant.

Yeah, I had a similar experience... the muscle aches were unbelievably bad, more like a full-body fire of a pain. It made me feel like a feeble old man... here (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=329837) is my trip report.

Limpet_Chicken
25-08-2008, 15:51
Seemingly like I posted above, the main alkaloid, vertine/cryogenine is an anticholinesterase.

I am wondering if in low doses, it might be useful to imrove my shitty memory.

The first time I tried it though, I felt like someone gave me a really thorough pasting with a set of brass knuckles.

Shadowmeister
23-09-2008, 18:39
I realize it's not an entheogen, but what is a good dose of ephedra (the plant) in tea?

Limpet_Chicken
23-09-2008, 22:08
None, personally.

I had a 10% extract of it, it was like tar, and tasted rank, horrid peripheraly active shit, needs that oxygen removing...

Shadowmeister
23-09-2008, 22:31
Well, 3 grams was a little too strong, but better than ephedrine isolated. Next time I'll try 1.5-2 grams.

egore
29-09-2008, 08:39
I've been playing with yarrow lately; but have not had enough trials with to come to any conclusions just yet...

EntheoDjinn
29-09-2008, 18:48
I like growing things........

Kratom .......... I'd like to try growing myself.Should be fun - especially as it can grow up to 10m high. Got a big garden? ;)

PsyGhost
30-09-2008, 00:56
I've been playing with yarrow lately; but have not had enough trials with to come to any conclusions just yet...

its good for treating wounds externally

what psychoactive properties are you looking for?

Shadowmeister
30-09-2008, 16:57
I'm going to start growing a kratom tree as well. I'm pretty excited about it! It's a beautiful exotic tree. Anyone know if snow in the winter will kill it though? I certainly don't have room to let it mature inside (I can start it inside).

Limpet_Chicken
30-09-2008, 22:49
Probably, its from thailand and malaysia, so I don't imagine it will tolerate snow well at all, I would keep it indoors for the winter, and keep in a huge pot.

That would just give you an excuse to prune it heavily and keep it moderately sized now wouldn't it, once it get established=D

ectolysergic
30-09-2008, 23:47
while i've never personally grown kratom i think it's related to coffee which ime has been fussy about growing in a container.

swilow
01-10-2008, 00:07
Xorkoth, I think kratom is pretty hard to get going from seed, so you'd be better trying a cutting. If you can get a hothouse, just a simple plastic thingy; that should negate the effects of frost, and wth careful watering, create a 'tropical' climate for your tree...I grew salvia in winter in Melbourne with a lot of care and a lot of making sure drunked louts didn't try and smoke them...the hothouse was almost too hot I feel, some leaves browned at the edges probably from water-magnifying-heat. I think kratom likes a lot of water, or can tolerate it so...Whats your climate like, as in are the seasons extreme of what?

Soil needs to be any standard potting soil...you don't want sandy soil like cactus like to grow in; this is a tree, and a fast-growing one at that! Temperatures need to be as moderate as possible; you can't subject your Kratom tree to ANY freezing temperatures whatsoever! It likes a constant temperature of about 75 degrees to 85 degrees Fahrenheit, and does extremely well in natural sunlight. If you live in a place that has cold winters, you will notice a marked increase in leaf production if you bring your Kratom tree outside for the summer.

Whiteish light is best for leaf production, or so I'm told. You'd probably be able to use fluroscent lighting....

I have a few nice little cannabis plants squirming towards the spring sunlight. Sometimes I go and sit with them and squirm too.

egore
01-10-2008, 00:09
its good for treating wounds externally

what psychoactive properties are you looking for?


I've heard its a good centering agent chewed...

PsyGhost
01-10-2008, 01:12
Xorkoth, I think kratom is pretty hard to get going from seed, so you'd be better trying a cutting. If you can get a hothouse, just a simple plastic thingy; that should negate the effects of frost, and wth careful watering, create a 'tropical' climate for your tree...I grew salvia in winter in Melbourne with a lot of care and a lot of making sure drunked louts didn't try and smoke them...the hothouse was almost too hot I feel, some leaves browned at the edges probably from water-magnifying-heat. I think kratom likes a lot of water, or can tolerate it so...Whats your climate like, as in are the seasons extreme of what?

I am currently at a 100% failure rate with kratom seeds. :!

If I ever get some going I'll test it for hardiness. Just because a plant is tropical doesnt mean it cant take freezing temperatures.

swilow
01-10-2008, 01:26
^Thats true, I've heard of people acclimaitasing salvia to grow in alpine-ish areas in New Zealand.

From what I know about planting kratom from seed is that one needs a LOT for one or two to take. I don't know why that would be; whether kratom produces a lot of infertile seed in ratio with fertile. I guess so...

kakti
05-10-2008, 03:23
Kratom will absolutely not tolerate snow. I wouldn't chance it with an unheated greenhouse either.

Shadowmeister
05-10-2008, 10:30
Blah. Well... then I guess I won't be growing a kratom tree.

nealcassady
07-10-2008, 00:04
^i've heard they make great houseplants though, give it good sun next to a window and it should turn out fine.. one thing about houses though is that they usually contain very dry air, and kratom cuttings enjoy humidity.. so if you've got a humidifier sitting around, plug it up in the same room as your little stick friend, and he'll probably like it.. and when he gets too big, just prun the leaves to fit the shape of it's space within the window area

Limpet_Chicken
07-10-2008, 19:41
I just got some Khat seeds sent from mexico for an indoor grow, under an old full spectrum daylight-type UV lamp of the kind used for treating SAD, that my mother bought and never once used in many many years=D

PsychoShaman
09-01-2009, 14:34
I'm wanting to try it but I have an off hand feeling that it will be a let down. What do you think about it?

Shadowmeister
09-01-2009, 16:27
Merged in a thread about skullcap.

I've not tried it, but I've heard it's a bit sedating. I'm pretty sure it's not psychedelic at all.

PsychedelicDoctor
09-01-2009, 16:40
I'm sorry, I haven't a clue what this is about. Anyone care to inform?

nealcassady
10-01-2009, 07:26
herb in the mint family, makes a pretty light tasting tea
usually used with the intention on relieving light anxiety,
and producing mild sedative effects, it's also nice for those who have trouble with sleep

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_g2603/is_0006/ai_2603000665

Benshaman
12-01-2009, 04:31
Amanita Muscaria mushrooms. They're a deliriant but id also say they are psychadelic in a way. At points they cause dream like visions that seemed to have a life of there own. Followed by bursts of extreme energy, then back into the dream like trance. Back and forth for about 6 hours. Its a very strange plant

Shadowmeister
17-01-2009, 19:57
Does anyone have experience with guayusa tea? I received a sample of it recently and I'm interested in its purported stimulant and dream recalling abilities. However I can't find a dose recommendation anywhere that makes me feel confident about it. I have a small amount of finely powdered material. Any suggestions?

nealcassady
17-01-2009, 21:32
Does anyone have experience with guayusa tea? I received a sample of it recently and I'm interested in its purported stimulant and dream recalling abilities. However I can't find a dose recommendation anywhere that makes me feel confident about it. I have a small amount of finely powdered material. Any suggestions?

wow, a short dive into a few google search yields seem to say some pretty interesting things about it.. got me lookin now as i've never heard of it.. very high in caffeine content of 1.5-2.0% (highest in the world maybe?) so i'd for sure proceed with low amounts based on those percent's if yr sensitive to that..

haven't seen much else talk of the other properties of the plant (called "night watchman" because of it's ability to keep ecuadorian people up all night.. ah, saw some other things about it's use as an additive in ayahuasca brews? rapid lucid dreaming properties.. etc etc) seems that most of these uses & facts come from stories and studies of indigenous use, but it does seem that some groups of people take part in drinking it every morning.. so that might add some ease of worrying about it.. i guess it's hard to play round with it since you only got a sample..

but i'm pretty interested in it now.. been trying to find some stimulating alternatives to that darn plant we call kratom, seems to be regarded as sacred by me now haha, but i've made some definite progress of droppin a few grams off my daily staple.. anyway, if you do use it, post up some results!

Shadowmeister
18-01-2009, 02:12
Great, I will! My wife and I are very interested in it right now... we were just talking about it and I came here real quick, hoping for some sort of story of personal experience. The Google searches were got us really interested too. :) I think I will proceed with maybe a teaspoon.

Ah, kratom... great stuff. My daily staple is definitely pretty large.

JackARoe
18-01-2009, 03:46
Yes Xorkoth, I've had guayusa tea. Just another caffeine containing tea but stronger than say black or green tea. I can't say much else for it though as far as dream recalling or enhancing. I'm not thinking there is much here besides a stimulating tea that is tastier and stronger than regular Lipton. But if anything of that nature does occur after trying it then please post away. I'm all ears.

PsyGhost
18-01-2009, 18:02
Ilex vomitoria has been used by native americans in the coastal carolinas as a hallucinogen in purification rituals. But they are drinking intentionally high (over dose almost) levels of caffeine in order to puke and have access to a visionary state.


]I'm wanting to try it but I have an off hand feeling that it will be a let down. What do you think about it?

I've had some skull cap tea. The recommended dose is 2g in tea, 3 times a day. I tried 6g of mostly flower and leaves. It seemed to cause an effect, synergising with weed, but it could have been placebo. I think it works best if you are actually anxious, rather than being full on narcotic.

Seems like you guys are experienced kratom-eaters. I've had a really great experience once, got the "opiate" like stone. The other times I have done it, I have been stimulated in a weird way. It actually felt more "synthetic" then when I come up on speed. If I up the dose then I should be getting less stimulating effects though correct? Also when I did get stimulated I ended up with a strange feeling headache on the come down.

Shadowmeister
19-01-2009, 16:55
Alright, well I tried 1.5 teaspoons of the powder in a tea (I was given 3 teaspoons as a sample.. my wife had 1 teaspoon). We were both very tired from having kratom twice in the day and sleeping relatively little the night before and having emerald dragon (marijuana-infused alcohol). So there were some conflicting factors. I am usually able to summon energy no matter how tired I am, but my wife usually cannot... generally, once she hass partied herself out, she's out, and even very strong, french-press coffee will not wake her up.

Anyway, we tried the tea... the guayusa came as an extremely fine powder, rather than crushed leaf or something, so it was necessary to drink some of the powder, although I let as much settle to the bottom as possible (one source said it could be toxic if you drink the leaves, possibly because of all the caffeine? You are supposed to be able to make tea for days in a row from the same leaves). I poured almost-boiling water over it in a mug. The tea tasted quite nice, earthy with a unique aftertaste. I definitely liked it... very pleasant. After a few minutes, we started to feel nice and awake. It felt a lot like having had a good amount of sleep and being nice and fresh, at first. Then it got stronger and I found myself moving/dancing around a lot (I tend to do this when I feel good). I achieved a bit of euphoria and talkativeness. Like kratom, it was very calming while being simultaneously stimulating. There was no hint of jitters like with coffee or many other forms of pure caffeine. Both of us remakred that the state felt very healthy, like we had been given nutrients that helped us function despite our fatigued and underslept state.

After a while, we decided to drive down the street to get some fried chicken for dinner. I was high and stimulated, but there was no alcohol left whatsoever at this point (many hours later). I can see how this stuff may have been able to achieve a visionary state after a high enough dose. I found myself having a bit of that feeling of being overwhelmed, where you suddenly can't help but bug your eyes out a little and blink to be able to refocus your vision (don't know if anyone knows what I'm talking about). I usually just associate that with being on a psychedelic and getting hit by a wave of increasing strength. While driving, my peripheral vision was playing tricks on me - I kept thinking mailboxes and things were people until I looked straight at them. Overall my mood was very jovial and I felt quite nice. I do not know what parts of this were interactions with the marijuana and kratom, but before drinking the tea I was feeling pretty much partied out.

I have to mention that after I ate the chicken and biscuits (which were extremely tasty - Bojangles anyone?), I started to feel really strange in the stomach, semi-nauseous and uncomfortable. I ate a lot but not a HUGE amount, not more than I would any other time I was hungry. After about an hour, I was feeling even worse and it was making it impossible to really do anything but try not to feel really shitty. So eventually I made myself throw up to get everything out of my stomach. After that, I felt quite a bit better, although I was spent... we pretty much just went to bed after that and I passed out instantly. I felt totally fine the next day. It may have been due to the food, but it may also have had something to do with the leaf powder in my stomach. I did have the last half teaspoon the next day, and no such problems surfaced, but it was also about 3 times less of a dose, so who knows?

I do know that I'm ordering more to try as a morning coffee substitute for a while, and I will see if the vendor has any leaf, rather than fine powder, so I can use it as the native people did. I'm very curious about its long-term health effects, as it, like yerba mate (a cousin), is full of nutrients as has many, many beneficial health effects attached to it by the people who traditionally use it. And rather than damaging the stomach, it's good for the stomach, and won't give you kidney stones.

So overall, I liked it, and I'd like to experiment more.

PsyGhost - Having a bit too much kratom can cause discomfort... maybe that's what happened. It can be hard to find your right dose. But maybe you'd be better off without it because like opiates it's very addictive to many people. Despite loving kratom, I wish I'd never found it all those years ago because now I withdraw if I don't have it, and spend loads of money on it because it's not cheap.

sigmundfloyd25
19-01-2009, 18:26
You should consider the Hawaiian baby wood rose its much stronger than the ololiuqui.

PsyGhost
20-01-2009, 02:20
I have to mention that after I ate the chicken and biscuits (which were extremely tasty - Bojangles anyone?)



bojaaaaaaaaaaaaaangles!!!!



PsyGhost - Having a bit too much kratom can cause discomfort... maybe that's what happened. It can be hard to find your right dose. But maybe you'd be better off without it because like opiates it's very addictive to many people. Despite loving kratom, I wish I'd never found it all those years ago because now I withdraw if I don't have it, and spend loads of money on it because it's not cheap.

Well, I havnt done it recently since its always hit or miss, which wouldnt be so bad if it wasnt expensive like you said.

Shadowmeister
23-01-2009, 17:44
So with my latest shipment of kratom, I also ordered some Ilex guayusa. I'm going to start using it in the mornings instead of coffee and see how I feel. So far since I have had it twice (last week and yesterday), I have had two vivid and nice dreams (one was last night and the other was a few nights ago). I've been waking up a bit before it's actually time to wake up, which I love doing. Usually I fall into a deep sleep without remembrance of dreams, and wake up to my alarm suddenly and have to get up... disorienting and annoying. I prefer waking up an hour or so before my alarm and gently falling back to sleep... it feels so restful and that's usually when I have good dreams.

Yesterday was the first try with this batch, and I decided to make tea with my french press to avoid the leaf powder. Plus, I've read that it's so saturated with caffeine that the same leaf can be re-used multiple times. The tea is very tasty, earthy and a bit nutty, and it provides a smooth, relaxing stimulation. It reminds me of mate a lot (no surprise - they're closely related), but with an extra edge and overall just definitely better and stronger.

I'll report back more if I notice any developments. Like mate, it's loaded with nutrients. If you do a google search, you can find a decent amount of information on its traditional uses. it sounds promising.

Shadowmeister
20-02-2009, 20:53
I received a sample of "Bala tea", which seems to be Sida cordifolia. Anyone have any experiences? Looks like it contains ephedrine and was used in ayurvedic medicine for a variety of purposes.

Specifically, does anyone know how much should be used? I received a little bag full of stems and leaf bits. I can't seem to find out how much to use anywhere.

Gaian Planes
20-02-2009, 21:35
dude

ephedrine is some righteous crap

I advise you just stay away from it

racing heart, anxiety, sweating

its really shitty drug :\

but sorry I can't help with dosage any I've only ever taken pure ephedrine

rangrz
20-02-2009, 21:45
^

it can be sorta fun, if you like the body feelings from psychostims...I personally enjoy the rapid heart beat and twitchy, amped up muscle feeling, you dont get the mental euphoria and such like with meth, but you get some of the physical feelings, which, to me, are also enjoyable.

60mg should be good for that.

JackARoe
20-02-2009, 22:10
ephedrine is some righteous crap

I advise you just stay away from it

racing heart, anxiety, sweating

its really shitty drug :\




Agreed. The feeling of looking in your rear view mirror and seeing flashin red lights for a full 8 hours. High anxiety I call it.

PsyGhost
21-02-2009, 00:47
I received a sample of "Bala tea", which seems to be Sida cordifolia. Anyone have any experiences? Looks like it contains ephedrine and was used in ayurvedic medicine for a variety of purposes.

Specifically, does anyone know how much should be used? I received a little bag full of stems and leaf bits. I can't seem to find out how much to use anywhere.

Sida cordifolia I can't tell you much exactly, but of Sida acuta and Sida rhombifolia, I have some information.

Yellow flowering plant of the Malvaceae of Central and South America. Used by the Cuna Indians of DariƩn Province, Panama, where it is called kwala and is considered a mystical medicine. A tea made from the leaves is consumed in Bangladesh to help induce sleep. Among the Maya on the Mexican Gulf Coast it is known as chichibeh ("the little one on the path") it is smoked as a marijuana substitute.

Both Sida species contain ephedrine. When drying they have the distinct aroma of coumarin. The leaves are said to contain saponins. Studies of Caribbean and Philippine specimens of Sida acuta have found asparagine and ephedrine in the roots. The alkaloids choline, pseudoephedrine, B-phenethylamine, vasicine, vascicine, vasinole, and vasicinone have been found in all parts of Sida rhombifolia. The stem contains indole alkaloids hipaphorine, hipaphorine methylester, and cryptolenine. The leaves contain traces of an essential oil. The seeds contain sesquiterpenes.

Source The Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants, Christian Ratsch

Shadowmeister
21-02-2009, 00:54
I used to love ephedrine... back when I was 19 and 20 I would take Yellowjackets, 300mg of caffeine plus 25mg of ephedrine each. I loved two of them... I'd feel so awesome. Or with pure ephedrine, I used to take up to 100mg at once. These days I don't though. It's probably due to overuse or just getting older, but now it's really rough on me. But I do enjoy on occasion low doses of the plant ephedra, which I also received in a rather large amount as a sample with another kratom order.

jackie jones
21-02-2009, 02:56
I had some latvian amanitas which worked well when smoked, but were worthless when eaten.

Ayahuasca is the best plant entheogen I have tried.

Shadowmeister
30-04-2009, 20:56
Anyone know whether Lophophora decipiens contains mescaline or other interesting alkaloids? I've received some seeds as a gift.

swilow
01-05-2009, 01:45
^The only Lophophora decipiens I know of is Lophophora williamsii v. decipiens. Don't know if thats what you have or not, but what I listed is mescalinergic :)

egor
01-05-2009, 07:57
@Xortoth> Sida cordifolia is an amazing plant. I buy leaves to there are very few stems, etc, so keep that in mind dose wise. I start with about 1g brewed slowly over low heat to test the potency of each batch; and it can vary quite a bit. Average dose is about 2.5-4 g slow brewed and mixed with a bit of honey. Dont chug it, enjoy it over a period of at least an hour. Its far more benevolent than E.sinics, but keep the dose within reason. Synergyses brilliantly with cannibis;)

Shadowmeister
01-05-2009, 16:45
Cool, thanks. :)