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despitedetroit
12-06-2005, 16:11
Can someone please compare and contrast the different aspects of the high each of these drugs provide?

10 mg methadone is like 25 mg oxy or something like that right?

so let's say the high to be described is off of 40-60 mg oxy, 20-30 mg M-done.

johnnyb420
12-06-2005, 19:02
no comparison end of question

none
nada
zip methadone sucks compared to oxycodone

human
12-06-2005, 19:20
I'll just give my impressions of the drugs and you can draw what conclusions you will from there.

I really don't think that any amount of methadone is like any amount of oxy (or vice versa). Methadone and oxycontin feel pretty different IMO.

Methadone gives me no rush (actually I question whether or not oral opiates are capable of producing a rush...maybe at high doses), a little bit of euphoria, a decent bit of contentment, and a decent bit of sedation. Of course, all of that is dose dependant. The main thing that I really like about methadone is that it lasts for so long compared to oxy or h. If you take the right dose you're going strong for the entire day and a little into the night.

Oxy has more rush and euphoria than methadone, and is overall less sedating. The rush and euphoria are likely a product of both the drug itself and the fact that I typically IV oxy. I've insufflated it too and thought "hmm, like shooting but not as good." The downside, when compared to methadone, is that it doesn't last as long.

Overall I really don't think I prefer one over the other in all situations. But, when given the choice, I would choose oxy more often than not.

ombladon
12-06-2005, 19:59
Oxy(oral)- kicks in within 40 minutes, and peaks within an hour-an hour and half after taking it. The high starts off with a small rush feeling at the begining, rather a minor butterfly feeling where you feel really motivated, energetic and mabye even hungry. After 4-5 minutes this goes away and the high turns into a very euphoric, very warm and cozy high. You are able to nodd and can still feel a little stimulated in the sense that you feel you can do anything you want, be it lying on the couch or doing other stuff like computer, etc. It gets you high for a good 2-3 hours, after which you can still feel mellow and happy (afterglow) for another 2-3 hours, though the major euphoric and nodding effects have gone away. Afterwards the effects will be pretty much completly gone.

Methadone (oral)- takes 4 hours to peak. Within the first hour you feel, a slight physical relief (esp if addicted) and feel like you would from mabye a little codeine. Within the second hour the high can be felt, very much resembling oxy esp snorted in that you feel the opiate high though you also feel very stimulated/outgoing energetic. You might get the desire to do something with your time. Within the 3rd hour the high decreases in the amount of stimulation and starts increasing gradually in sedation (like a hydrocodone buzz would be) although the motivation is still there, you rather feel like 'everything is ALRIGHT'. You might get the desire to lye down on the couch or relax somewhere and watch some tv. By the fourth hour you will be very high, and sedated, you will be nodding out and feeling euphoric though not like the euphoria you get from oxy. But rather a euphoria that's not as 'stimulating/rushy', but the kind of euphoria that's like 'oh my god, everything is alllright', you feel like you can do pretty much anything but you will probably choose to chill out and enjoy your high. You feel the major effects up to 6-8 hours after taking it, and feel residual effects for the rest of the day till you go to sleep. Rather than an after glow, it's more like 'residual effects', where you don't feel as happy as on oxy but you feel nice and comfortable, and better than normal.

To sum it up quite nicely, many people say methadone isn't euphoric, though that's not true. For many people it is. If what you are after is a very euphoric buzz where you may or may not nodd out as much, though you feel very euphoric and sociable, and mabye once in a while if you want or try you can nodd out and feel euphoric/stimulated as well, then your best bet is either one of the following: oxycontin (oral-a bit more sedating, snorted-a lot more stimulated/euphoric though still mellow), hydromorphone (snorted- a bit more of a stimulating feeling than oxycontin, takes higher doses in order to get that plus a warm nodd), fentanyl (oral- mixed in a 500mL water bottle and sipped is A WHOLE LOT more stimulating/cleaner feeling than oxy, and the euphoria beats even oxy's euphoria, though you nodd easier on oxy) and that's about all I can think of right now. All those drugs are for people who like the euphoric/outgoing sociable type of high that oxy gives.

Other people (myself included) aren't as much after the euphoric/sociable/outgoing rushy type effects that the previously mentioned drugs give. Rather they would much rather preffer something that gives you an 'everything's alllright euphoria' with the sedation and nodding which makes them feel 'secure' and 'protected' like underneath an opiate blanket kind of effect. The opiates which give this type of high are methadone (oral- very much a solid opioid high of nodding and of relaxation and the other kind of euphoria where you want to be alone, to yourself for the high and watch tv, and escape from everything into a warm nodd and feel really good about everything, and everything around you seems to be okay), hydrocodone (oral- you want to lye around on your couch, on your own to enjoy and to nodd, and get that 'everything's all right' euphoria of relief), codeine (oral- a lot like the methadone/hydrocodone high, sedating, euphoric in that you nodd out into heaven sort of feeling you get on the more sedating opiates like the ones i'm discussing now), demerol (snorted- gives a high that is pretty unique on it's own though it resembles the more sedating opiates rather than the oxy/fentanyl type of opiates which give a more euphoric/clean and not as sedating high, demerol makes you euphoric and more sedated than codeine or hydrocodone and also gave me minor visuals if i stared at a bright coloured object, very nice, and sedating). That's about all the opiates/opioids I have tried. I would much rather preffer a good sedating high, rather than a clean/sociable/outgoing kind of high. Both type of highs are good, and both give opiate users motivation though the oxy-like drugs give this effect much more so than the methadone-like drugs. Both are good, but some people like myself aren't as much into the 'rushy' kind of drugs and preffer something mellow and euphoric like the highs from weed/benzos. While others do preffer the rushy kind of drugs and will mostly preffer the highs of coke/meth/E over the highs of weed/benzos, than the oxy-like drugs are the most euphoric for them. But what people find euphoric can be relative, just like I mentioned. My idea of euphoria is to be sedated, warm, cozy feeling, nodding and have an euphoria about everything, hence the 'everything's allright' effect.

center
12-06-2005, 23:07
^ Wow, too long.
Personally, ive taken both. Oxycotin would resemble more of a high, an uncomfortable one at that. Methadone made me like lay there...not pleasurable at all.

ombladon
13-06-2005, 19:42
I like that. I like to be chill and happy which is exactly what methadone does to me..and plus:D

rachamim18
13-06-2005, 21:23
"Many people say it [methadone] is not euphoric...It is..." First let me compliment you on a nice, mostly factual and well put together post. Now the bad news. Opiates/opioids have 4 attributes that must be in place in order to obtain a morphine level expeience. Methadone has 3 of them, the one that it is missing is the attribute that supplies the so called "euphoric" experience.

Euphoria is a highly contreversial term in that it is highly subjective. what I find appealing may put you to sleep, and the converse. As such, it is best not to get caught up in arguments over it except with methadone, it IS missing the crucial attribute .


that is not to suggest that it does not have any recreational potential. in fact, if you are ever lucky enough to come across those fabulous English ampoules of injectable methadone you will obtain a nice enough rush...just no real euphoria...sorry.

In comparing oxycontin and methadone you would first have to qualify the comparison. On what basis do you want to compare the two? If it is recreational potential, I think I have summed it up because it should go without saying that oxycontin has trmendous potential [as evidenced by the recent trend].

speedball_racer
13-06-2005, 21:43
"Center" do you have anything good thing to say about recreational pharmaceuticals, i.e. drugs, at all? Are you a fucking troll trying to tell everyone that all drug sucks, are dangerous, are not worth using, etc...? Just what the fuck is your deal man? We fucking know that drugs may be dangerous so lay off a bit please.

Now I would like to write a bit about safe recreational use of methadone. It is definitely possible, but is a little trickier than with other drugs that have better safety records such as benzos, hydrocodone, morphine, even insulfated heroin.

People please be careful dosing methadone, I am an MMT patient and I take a shitload of it (200-mg/day) and am very tolerant of it, but 40-mgs can kill a person who has never used it before, even less in some cases especially if mixed with a benzo.

Methadone can be very enjoyable so do not assume it is garbage without having some experience. Granted some people will think it is garbage. There is a person for each drug who will attest no end to its uselessness if you ask enough people. Methadone seems to have its fair share of these people. I suspect that many of them have not used it properly and/or are repeating things they have been told.

This is the single most important thing I can write regarding experimenting with methadone, whether you have used it before or not. This applies unless you are a daily user with a tolerance like me in which case you have a large safety margin for dosing errors. One positive aspect of methadone is that regular users can take an insane amount and live, I have taken 1000-mg at once before and all I got was some heavy nodding. Back to my all-important message to the non-tolerant or semi-tolerant:

Respect methadone like the strong ass opioid that it is or it will drag the respect from your dead carcass the next morning. This will happen just about the time some horrified parent, significant other, friend, property owner or stranger discovers your gray, cold, stiff body.

Here are my recommendations for the recreational user, based on personal experience and feedback from others who have had recreational experiences and enjoyed them, often immensely so. Since methadone takes several hours to reach full effect, dose once and then leave the stuff alone, if you don't get off to your satisfaction wait a day - or more preferably - and try with a slightly higher dose. I prefer this to “re-dosing” for safety reasons. I believe the “re-dose” has caused the lethal blood levels in many victims of methadone ODs when methadone was the sole intoxicant. Always have someone with you and plan to be awake at for the 12 - 16 hours after you dose so you or your pals will know if you get into trouble. In addition, by sleeping after five or so hours of taking methadone you may well miss a good amount of the fun. It is rather like LSD in the length of its effects, many times even longer. It may fade and come back, especially if you do a few lines of coke after the effects seem to have worn off but it has not been more than eight hours since dosing. I have experienced this several times with both methadone and heroin (separate occasions per substance.) Unless you have tolerance to benzodiazepines (I mean a serious tolerance e.g. you take 4-mg alprazolam daily and have for a long while) I would not mix them with methadone. If you do take less of the benzo than you normally would and definitely have someone watching you for the entire night. Benzos and methadone can be a very fun combo, but it is also a very lethal one. Most ODs with methadone also involved a benzo, if not then alcohol was generally present. Please, please, please consider getting used to dosing methadone and benzos separately and then work on the combo starting at ½ doses of each when you first mix them

Following the above advice, you will likely live to have many pleasing methadone experiences! OR maybe you’ll decide I am full of shit and develop your own strategies. In any case, my approach is aimed at helping you enjoy the drug without overdosing. Please, respect this drug, just because you can drink more than anyone in your high school class/fraternity/rugby club does not mean you can definitely take 50-mg of methadone on your first try and live to brag about it

Now I am going to be a self-righteous bastard:

“center" what I have written above about methadone was for harm reduction, not abstinence rhetoric which isn't what anyone comes here for anyway. Try the harm-reduction approach and if you do not have anything to add H.R. wise then maybe this is not the board for you to post on.

despitedetroit
13-06-2005, 23:31
thanks man..full of good info.

i took 20 mg yesterday around 10 am, then another 10 mg at 3 pm...i haven't dosed since then...and am not planning on it. it is currently 2:32 pm.
i mildly feel the effects, mostly just feel in a general good mood.

when will the methadone more or less stop taking effect? when has it left my body?

Smyth
14-06-2005, 01:01
some good info here IMO

Rosclot
14-06-2005, 01:09
Originally posted by center
^ Wow, too long.
Personally, ive taken both. Oxycotin would resemble more of a high, an uncomfortable one at that. Methadone made me like lay there...not pleasurable at all.

You should just stay away from all opiate related threads. By now everyone on BL knows who you are and that you hate opaites. Your explanation of highs of the 2 said drugs are definetly not typical reactions.

Beans
14-06-2005, 03:25
Originally posted by speedball_racer
Respect methadone like the strong ass opioid that it is or it will drag the respect from your dead carcass the next morning. This will happen just about the time some horrified parent, significant other, friend, property owner or stranger discovers your gray, cold, stiff body.



Word. I give that post two thumbs up.

Paregoric Kid
14-06-2005, 08:44
personally I like methadone better because the high lasts a lot longer than an oxy high. opioid highs are "generally" ALMOST the same, no, not exactly the same, but in a general sense those two pretty much give you a similar feeling. methadone is usually cheaper too. methadone has a higher bioavailability too so you can actually just swallow the damn thing. it's good for me because since oxys are so hyped and usually overpriced where I am and methadone there is so much bullshit and myths associated to it that it is dirt cheap in comparison because people don't fully understand what it really is. since it lasts longer I don't have to keep redosing. methadone will get you high like nearly every other opioid, there are exceptions of course. there are some ways to make methadone kick in faster but if you are in such a hurry to geth high just fucking slam dope. I love oxys but they cost too much [here], not as effective orally as methadone, and doesn't last any where near as long as methadone. anyways that's just my 2 cents. both are good but in my personal opinion I'd take 60-100mg methadone over say an oc 40 or 80 any day. oh well keep saying methadone sucks it keeps the prices low lol

bladesta
14-06-2005, 09:24
all i know is i got 2 50mcg/hour fentanyl patches on and im rippedddddddddddd :|

twgburst
14-06-2005, 16:35
I prefer the methadone high cause it lasts so long, I also think that they feel simular, but methadone feels more like heroin. Methadone is also good if you have a really high tolerence. As for it not being euphoric, its totally relative, some people like Darvon more then heroin, some like cocaine more than meth. Apples and oranges, I do know that methadone sells for $16-20 a 40 mg biscuit, and a 40 mg OC costs $10 at the same place.

SPUNK
14-06-2005, 17:01
i prefer oral meth over oral oxy. Other routes of admin (IV) are a different story tho

side question: to they make liquid amps of methadone?? im not talking about that cherry syrup stuff.

center
14-06-2005, 19:55
[EDITED- Nope! I have had it with you. F&B and I have already spoken with you regarding this and I have no more patience for this behavior. I am going to edit every one of your posts that are off topic]
-Pdx

hashforlife
14-06-2005, 21:08
I'd say methadone is more of my thing, but I am very fond of drugs with long half-lifes. I've been known to even like bupe because of that.

Oxy is a great high, but I get so much more out of methadone. It lasts forever, and is cozy and warm like an opiate should be.

Paregoric Kid
15-06-2005, 08:22
there are amps of methadone available in europe/uk

Smyth
15-06-2005, 10:08
in the uk methadone is only recognized as a drug that is used in the treatment of heroin addiction. in other words it NEVER gets emplyed as an analgesic. Then I remember about dipipanaone. I should see my doctor about this.

cire113
15-06-2005, 23:52
I'm an experienced user of both and in my opinion i would take methadone anydays only because of what everyones been saying..

The dam STUFF lasts forever....

picture an OXY high like a huge slope with a peak then it goes way down

for methadone its like your running on a flat plain for 20+ hrs... althought the euphoria after the first 5-8 hrs doesnt compare hrs later... u still have some sort of "Nod"

i love oxy but it doesnt last long at all... and im curious if anyone can tell me how long oxy lasts for them if they are an experienced user....

I eat oxy it kicks in about 40 mins and after 2 hrs it feels like i already have to redose..

Unfortunetly i only have about 150mgs of methadone left and about 1kmg of oxy..

However, i also love using methadone when going on extended breaks... it definetly takes the edge off the first few days of oxy WD's and even small doses( as little as 2mgs) seem to help with my oxy wds or make the first few days noticebly less agonizing

rachamim18
16-06-2005, 20:16
Hmmm...I am really baffled. I would have never bet , in a million years, that I would ever see more than a couple of people choose methadone over any moderate [or stronger] opiate/opioid. Methadone is great if I] you are witdrawing...or II] you just enjoy nodding and/or sleeping. Personally I like to get high [or used to being that I have been on a high dose of methadone for several years] and that would always cause me to pick almost any opiate/opioid over methadone. To each their own I suppose...

NauseousBeauty
28-06-2005, 02:20
Lots of great info I was looking for here on Methadone, thanks. I am trying for my first time in a few days for recreational use.

Does anyone have any info on snorting Methadone, I have noticed it hasn't been brought up and I was wondering if it could quicken the high.

Thanks

speedball_racer
28-06-2005, 03:19
No snorting methadone won't help much at all. Some people might disagree, but since oral bioavailability is so high taking it orally is the best way to ensure you get the most out of a given dosage.

It is possible that if you have pills and can crush and snort them (5-, 10-mg only the 40s are way too big to snort IMHO) it may hit you a but quicker. In any case it will take quite a while to feel full effects so take it slow and easy.

--speedball

NauseousBeauty
29-06-2005, 05:43
Thanks, I also did some searches and I will definently swallow. Do you know where i could find a list of different drugs and their bioavailabilities? Thanks

rachamim18
02-07-2005, 00:41
the Merck.

thedoxman
16-09-2008, 14:59
methadone dose not get you high after a couple days of use that is the whole point to hold onto your dopamine receptors and make it so if you do other opies you wont get high so you can get off opies, oxycotin you can get high of daily so that is your best bet unless you use almost never then methadone will give you a nice itchy buzz but oxy or H is the way to go in my book H is cheaper and the rush kicks ass. god i am dope sick and i need some H bad.

mrsumone
16-09-2008, 17:45
Oxy(oral)- kicks in within 40 minutes, and peaks within an hour-an hour and half after taking it. The high starts off with a small rush feeling at the begining, rather a minor butterfly feeling where you feel really motivated, energetic and mabye even hungry. After 4-5 minutes this goes away and the high turns into a very euphoric, very warm and cozy high. You are able to nodd and can still feel a little stimulated in the sense that you feel you can do anything you want, be it lying on the couch or doing other stuff like computer, etc. It gets you high for a good 2-3 hours, after which you can still feel mellow and happy (afterglow) for another 2-3 hours, though the major euphoric and nodding effects have gone away. Afterwards the effects will be pretty much completly gone.

Methadone (oral)- takes 4 hours to peak. Within the first hour you feel, a slight physical relief (esp if addicted) and feel like you would from mabye a little codeine. Within the second hour the high can be felt, very much resembling oxy esp snorted in that you feel the opiate high though you also feel very stimulated/outgoing energetic. You might get the desire to do something with your time. Within the 3rd hour the high decreases in the amount of stimulation and starts increasing gradually in sedation (like a hydrocodone buzz would be) although the motivation is still there, you rather feel like 'everything is ALRIGHT'. You might get the desire to lye down on the couch or relax somewhere and watch some tv. By the fourth hour you will be very high, and sedated, you will be nodding out and feeling euphoric though not like the euphoria you get from oxy. But rather a euphoria that's not as 'stimulating/rushy', but the kind of euphoria that's like 'oh my god, everything is alllright', you feel like you can do pretty much anything but you will probably choose to chill out and enjoy your high. You feel the major effects up to 6-8 hours after taking it, and feel residual effects for the rest of the day till you go to sleep. Rather than an after glow, it's more like 'residual effects', where you don't feel as happy as on oxy but you feel nice and comfortable, and better than normal.

To sum it up quite nicely, many people say methadone isn't euphoric, though that's not true. For many people it is. If what you are after is a very euphoric buzz where you may or may not nodd out as much, though you feel very euphoric and sociable, and mabye once in a while if you want or try you can nodd out and feel euphoric/stimulated as well, then your best bet is either one of the following: oxycontin (oral-a bit more sedating, snorted-a lot more stimulated/euphoric though still mellow), hydromorphone (snorted- a bit more of a stimulating feeling than oxycontin, takes higher doses in order to get that plus a warm nodd), fentanyl (oral- mixed in a 500mL water bottle and sipped is A WHOLE LOT more stimulating/cleaner feeling than oxy, and the euphoria beats even oxy's euphoria, though you nodd easier on oxy) and that's about all I can think of right now. All those drugs are for people who like the euphoric/outgoing sociable type of high that oxy gives.

Other people (myself included) aren't as much after the euphoric/sociable/outgoing rushy type effects that the previously mentioned drugs give. Rather they would much rather preffer something that gives you an 'everything's alllright euphoria' with the sedation and nodding which makes them feel 'secure' and 'protected' like underneath an opiate blanket kind of effect. The opiates which give this type of high are methadone (oral- very much a solid opioid high of nodding and of relaxation and the other kind of euphoria where you want to be alone, to yourself for the high and watch tv, and escape from everything into a warm nodd and feel really good about everything, and everything around you seems to be okay), hydrocodone (oral- you want to lye around on your couch, on your own to enjoy and to nodd, and get that 'everything's all right' euphoria of relief), codeine (oral- a lot like the methadone/hydrocodone high, sedating, euphoric in that you nodd out into heaven sort of feeling you get on the more sedating opiates like the ones i'm discussing now), demerol (snorted- gives a high that is pretty unique on it's own though it resembles the more sedating opiates rather than the oxy/fentanyl type of opiates which give a more euphoric/clean and not as sedating high, demerol makes you euphoric and more sedated than codeine or hydrocodone and also gave me minor visuals if i stared at a bright coloured object, very nice, and sedating). That's about all the opiates/opioids I have tried. I would much rather preffer a good sedating high, rather than a clean/sociable/outgoing kind of high. Both type of highs are good, and both give opiate users motivation though the oxy-like drugs give this effect much more so than the methadone-like drugs. Both are good, but some people like myself aren't as much into the 'rushy' kind of drugs and preffer something mellow and euphoric like the highs from weed/benzos. While others do preffer the rushy kind of drugs and will mostly preffer the highs of coke/meth/E over the highs of weed/benzos, than the oxy-like drugs are the most euphoric for them. But what people find euphoric can be relative, just like I mentioned. My idea of euphoria is to be sedated, warm, cozy feeling, nodding and have an euphoria about everything, hence the 'everything's allright' effect.


Very well done my friend. It could have been spaced out a bit more but all in all i agree with you.


There is no comparison within the two. Ones peanut butter one is jelly. Two completely different opiates.

comptonking
16-09-2008, 18:06
When I first started pills and had very little tolerance I loved methadone, over anything. The euphoria just kept going and going and going, I was up all night with my girl.... just off 10mg the euphoria might have been a little but less intense than oxys but not much and oxy was so short lived, but now a days methadone doesnt do it for me like it used to, maybe its just the doses i've been taking idk

QuasiStoned
16-09-2008, 21:20
This thread had been dead for over 3 years...

comptonking
16-09-2008, 21:22
so.. i like talking about drugs, and im sure it will help someone out!

ayoOC80
16-09-2008, 21:37
not the point... but you'll learn, im sure.

other drugs guidelines and policies, READ FIRST (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=374203)

Proggy
18-09-2008, 18:50
I just wanted to thank ombladon for his thorough and explanatory post (please pardon my grammar and spelling). Whether you agree with him or not, he made an unselfish attempt to share what info he had, without pushing or selling anything and I appreciate it.

RainingDownOxy
21-09-2008, 07:52
I would say that this would be the personall preference of e user. If you like the extremely euphoric noddy full body buzz of methadone and the fact that it makes you just want to sit around and nod till the cows come home, than thats your pick. If you enjoy the high of oxycontin, which typically gives you a sort of energy boost, not like a pep in your step, you just dont get the I wanna just sit on the couch and nod away into your own world. This is all just my 0.2 cents. I would prefer Oxy to M'done anyday. I just dont like the "im falling asleep whenever I close my eyes for a second" feeling M'done gives.

ManBearPig
21-09-2008, 08:02
I got some 40mg waffers last year for $10 a pop and hadn't had methadone before but I have done oxy, h and just about ever other opiate.

but wow I felt nice on the 40s so good I scratched all the skin of the tops of my feet because they were itchy and it felt good.

haven't done it since, I wouldn't want to get hooked on uncle sams dope, my friends that go to the clinic, do just that"go to the clinic"everyday!. I heard methadone withdraws are the worst, I've heard it make bones hurt from the inside out.

Edit: typo

OpInation
21-09-2008, 08:47
dead.

brutus
21-09-2008, 10:07
I used to have a large amount of methadone a while back. I originally traded them for Oxycontin because I loved the stimulating high of oxycodone, but I ended up becoming seriously addicted to methadone 100mg a day. OC was easy to get, but methadone was easier, I just loved being on an opiate 24/7, that's why I made the switch. I wish I would have stuck to the OC because I overdosed twice because the methadone. That shit turned me into a monster. Other opiates have the opposite effect on me.

sunset117
21-09-2008, 12:31
methadone dose not get you high after a couple days of use that is the whole point to hold onto your dopamine receptors and make it so if you do other opies you wont get high so you can get off opies, oxycotin you can get high of daily so that is your best bet unless you use almost never then methadone will give you a nice itchy buzz but oxy or H is the way to go in my book H is cheaper and the rush kicks ass. god i am dope sick and i need some H bad.


ive never gotten high of methadone...and I've taken as much as 50mg idk

skrewler
21-09-2008, 15:21
Pretty much just repeating what has been said already ...

Since substances affect each person differently, heres the difference for me:

Methadone can be described as a warm, smooth, mellow high.

Oxy is more of an energetic/happy, warm, dopier high.

They are definately different, upside is that Methadone lasts a very long time. If you want it to hit you harder, try chewing up the methadone or crush up and parachute it.

Oxy is, imo, much stronger of a high. I don't think I've ever taken enough methadone that made me nod. Oxy is a different story.

For a first time user with no tolerance at all, I think 20mg of methadone would be safe and put a smile on your face. You can always take more later.

g0d of g0t 0D
01-10-2008, 08:04
not the point... but you'll learn, im sure.

other drugs guidelines and policies, READ FIRST (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=374203)

i know this is an old thread but you aren't an admin nor mod so why are you saying this and to who?

i found this using the search engine and that is there so UTFSE yourself.

oc is mad pricey here like x a milli but methadones are more rare and cheaper everyone wants OCs/Percs/Vics, H ain't even that big in this city really but I used to always go an hour away 3x a week and buy mad tar. I started with OxyContin, first time snorted a 20 mg- was puking, mad fucked up, fell in luv.

I was buying mad street methadone aftter getting on dope because it's so expensive then eventually went back to IV dope then got on suboxone for over a year but I'm off of it and occsionally eat/snort opiates.

OT: The high of OxyContin is much better snorted/IV/parachuted but I love how methadone is cheaper usually and the long ass half life kicks ass.

Methadone is usuaully more bang for your buck and if you take a big enough 'dose than it's awesome just the rush from OC slammed or even the fast onset from snorting is WAY better than the actually high from 'done and take huge enough doeses of either and you'll be nodding but on a Mg/mg strengh and lasting comparison and price gotta go whit the methadone hands down... but I like to mix it up. :D

Also just as mixing benzos and/or alcohol with opiatesis dangerous, I think somas are nice to take with OC/Methadone, suprised no one mentioned them in this thread.

***EDIT: Prices go in the price thread. - Mr Blonde***

MethaContin
02-10-2008, 15:46
When My tolerance was ALOT lower and the Wafers could still be PRESCRIBED (Besides in a Methadone clinic or Hospital) I used to LOVE Methadone Alot more than Oxy, it was Cheaper, 30mg's got me NODDING out all day, 40mgs and i'd be in bed nodding all day.........

Eventually I got up to 150mg's of Methadone a day at a MMT Clinic, and I cant feel SHIT from ANY amount of Methadone I take............. Ive taken up to 400mgs at once............

MethaContin
02-10-2008, 15:48
I got some 40mg waffers last year for $10 a pop and hadn't had methadone before but I have done oxy, h and just about ever other opiate.

but wow I felt nice on the 40s so good I scratched all the skin of the tops of my feet because they were itchy and it felt good.

haven't done it since, I wouldn't want to get hooked on uncle sams dope, my friends that go to the clinic, do just that"go to the clinic"everyday!. I heard methadone withdraws are the worst, I've heard it make bones hurt from the inside out.

Edit: typo
They do make your bones hurt inside and out, any opiate does that really, But with Methadone it sucks ALOT MORE and lasts ALOT LONGER................

dhcdavid
03-10-2008, 17:39
in the uk methadone is only recognized as a drug that is used in the treatment of heroin addiction. in other words it NEVER gets emplyed as an analgesic.

This is just not true. 8o

I live in the UK and have been prescribed 75mg daily for nigh on 10 months for analgesic purposes (having previously been on fentanyl and dihydrocodeine).

The Pain Management Doctor who initally recommended the change over to methadone told me that methadone is being increasingly used in the UK as an analgesic due to its low cost and enormous half-life.

kadaj
03-10-2008, 18:17
Yeah I don't see how it's not used as a painkiller. That's what the Nazis invented it for in 1937 anyway. Although it's not commonly used as a painkiller in the U.S. it is in Europe or at least England from what I've heard. I like OC better than methadone for a recreational high. I have injected both at high dosages and OC gives a slightly better rush although neither give a great rush. OC gives a very euphoric high IMO and doesn't make me itch quite as much as 'dones (although I don't mind the itch). OC also is better for combining other drugs with (other opiates, weed, benzos IME).

The only time I would choose methadone over oxy is if I was withdrawing and/or I wanted to nod/sleep.

dino87
03-11-2008, 11:00
Hello - first time posting in this forum but I'm really needing some advice.

I've been taking opiates for about 4 years now. i started with tabs and perks and stayed with them for about 3 years. Eventually I developed an oxy addiction, I was taking about 240mg a day plus about 100mg of perks or tabs. I quit, it sucked, but I did it. Of course it lasted (sober) about 2 months and i started taking about 150mg of tabs or perks a day. The doc put me on lexapro, depression worsened, I stopped taking them and after 3 days I purposely overdosed on oxy and xanax. Thankfully I decided in time to let my girlfriend know and I got to the hospital just in time to drink some charcoal and get injected with narcam(or whatever reversed my respritory deppression).

Anyway, sorry for the long story- heres my current problem. I'm still on a heavy dose of perks right now, and I've convinced myself I can't function without opiates. I've quit so many time but it always sends me into depression and other horrible w/d. Is it worth it to say F*UCK it and get on methadone. I still want some euphoria, but i'm sick of the game of hustling and finding my next fix. let me know if anyone has advice, i really need to get my life together.

ps ~ i'm happy to be alive, i'm never letting myself dip low enough again to attempt suicide.

thanks!

dino87
03-11-2008, 11:01
Hello - first time posting in this forum but I'm really needing some advice.

I've been taking opiates for about 4 years now. i started with tabs and perks and stayed with them for about 3 years. Eventually I developed an oxy addiction, I was taking about 240mg a day plus about 100mg of perks or tabs. I quit, it sucked, but I did it. Of course it lasted (sober) about 2 months and i started taking about 150mg of tabs or perks a day. The doc put me on lexapro, depression worsened, I stopped taking them and after 3 days I purposely overdosed on oxy and xanax. Thankfully I decided in time to let my girlfriend know and I got to the hospital just in time to drink some charcoal and get injected with narcam(or whatever reversed my respritory deppression).

Anyway, sorry for the long story- heres my current problem. I'm still on a heavy dose of perks right now, and I've convinced myself I can't function without opiates. I've quit so many time but it always sends me into depression and other horrible w/d. Is it worth it to say F*UCK it and get on methadone. I still want some euphoria, but i'm sick of the game of hustling and finding my next fix. let me know if anyone has advice, i really need to get my life together.

ps ~ i'm happy to be alive, i'm never letting myself dip low enough again to attempt suicide.

thanks!

NW-baltiland
03-11-2008, 18:02
They do make your bones hurt inside and out, any opiate does that really, But with Methadone it sucks ALOT MORE and lasts ALOT LONGER................

I'm not sure about other opiates but I do know that Methadone causes a calcium deficiancy, which can be dealt with by taking calcium+vit. D supplements. Definetly a good idea if your on MMT like me, Methadone can do a number on bones and teeth after some years if you dont take calcium+D.

NW-baltiland
03-11-2008, 18:10
Hello - first time posting in this forum but I'm really needing some advice.

I've been taking opiates for about 4 years now. i started with tabs and perks and stayed with them for about 3 years. Eventually I developed an oxy addiction, I was taking about 240mg a day plus about 100mg of perks or tabs. I quit, it sucked, but I did it. Of course it lasted (sober) about 2 months and i started taking about 150mg of tabs or perks a day. The doc put me on lexapro, depression worsened, I stopped taking them and after 3 days I purposely overdosed on oxy and xanax. Thankfully I decided in time to let my girlfriend know and I got to the hospital just in time to drink some charcoal and get injected with narcam(or whatever reversed my respritory deppression).

Anyway, sorry for the long story- heres my current problem. I'm still on a heavy dose of perks right now, and I've convinced myself I can't function without opiates. I've quit so many time but it always sends me into depression and other horrible w/d. Is it worth it to say F*UCK it and get on methadone. I still want some euphoria, but i'm sick of the game of hustling and finding my next fix. let me know if anyone has advice, i really need to get my life together.

ps ~ i'm happy to be alive, i'm never letting myself dip low enough again to attempt suicide.

thanks!

I know all about it buddy. No one can tell you if methadone is going to help you out, but it has helped me imensely. Just like you said, having to wake up everyday and find a way to get well is no way to live and if you have tried to get off and it has not worked than maybe methadone or buprenorphine might be the way to go. Some people keep using while they're on methadone which I find incredibly stupid, why would you wanna get on a program to help you off dope and keep using, especially since dope does'nt even get you that high while on methadone. But, if you really wanna stop using addictive substances then I think that you could benefit from some kind of maintenance program weather it be subs or meth. I wish you the best, and keep your head up, things will get better if you stay hopeful and put forth the effort.<3

Matzah
15-04-2009, 09:48
I would love to hear anyone's opinion:

It has been such a long time since I've been high on oxycodone, I don't even remember what it feels like. Currently, I'll go two or three weeks with nothing, get my script of 240 roxy 30's, and binge for a week. If I get a buzz, I feel energized and good. Not euphoric. The best high I've ever gotten, and I always have loved (till my tolerance made it disappear) was mixing regular old vicodin 10's with a couple somas. THAT combination gave me the warm, euphoric feeling that I absolutely love, and I feel it's the best combination on earth.

Is oxycodone supposed to be euphoric like that? It never has been. It's only been....well, kind of like a milder version of cocaine as far as I'm concerned. I'd love to know if anyone else can relate.

Also: I am fortunate enough to get a script of 180 methadone 10's. They're nice to have around to keep w/d at bay just in case, and to trade some times. I can take five or six, and I don't feel anything. I hear there's a way to get high off of them, but I never have. I haven't tried mixing with xanax yet. Once I ate 11 of them (110mg), and I felt really good, but the whole time I was really scared that I took too much and was gonna OD (although I think my tolerance is ridiculous, which is weird b/c I don't eat pills every day, I just eat a lot when I do have them).

Any thoughts? Can anyone relate to what I'm saying?

Thanks!

PillPoppingAnimal
15-04-2009, 16:41
Oxy(oral)- kicks in within 40 minutes, and peaks within an hour-an hour and half after taking it. The high starts off with a small rush feeling at the begining, rather a minor butterfly feeling where you feel really motivated, energetic and mabye even hungry. After 4-5 minutes this goes away and the high turns into a very euphoric, very warm and cozy high. You are able to nodd and can still feel a little stimulated in the sense that you feel you can do anything you want, be it lying on the couch or doing other stuff like computer, etc. It gets you high for a good 2-3 hours, after which you can still feel mellow and happy (afterglow) for another 2-3 hours, though the major euphoric and nodding effects have gone away. Afterwards the effects will be pretty much completly gone.

Methadone (oral)- takes 4 hours to peak. Within the first hour you feel, a slight physical relief (esp if addicted) and feel like you would from mabye a little codeine. Within the second hour the high can be felt, very much resembling oxy esp snorted in that you feel the opiate high though you also feel very stimulated/outgoing energetic. You might get the desire to do something with your time. Within the 3rd hour the high decreases in the amount of stimulation and starts increasing gradually in sedation (like a hydrocodone buzz would be) although the motivation is still there, you rather feel like 'everything is ALRIGHT'. You might get the desire to lye down on the couch or relax somewhere and watch some tv. By the fourth hour you will be very high, and sedated, you will be nodding out and feeling euphoric though not like the euphoria you get from oxy. But rather a euphoria that's not as 'stimulating/rushy', but the kind of euphoria that's like 'oh my god, everything is alllright', you feel like you can do pretty much anything but you will probably choose to chill out and enjoy your high. You feel the major effects up to 6-8 hours after taking it, and feel residual effects for the rest of the day till you go to sleep. Rather than an after glow, it's more like 'residual effects', where you don't feel as happy as on oxy but you feel nice and comfortable, and better than normal.

To sum it up quite nicely, many people say methadone isn't euphoric, though that's not true. For many people it is. If what you are after is a very euphoric buzz where you may or may not nodd out as much, though you feel very euphoric and sociable, and mabye once in a while if you want or try you can nodd out and feel euphoric/stimulated as well, then your best bet is either one of the following: oxycontin (oral-a bit more sedating, snorted-a lot more stimulated/euphoric though still mellow), hydromorphone (snorted- a bit more of a stimulating feeling than oxycontin, takes higher doses in order to get that plus a warm nodd), fentanyl (oral- mixed in a 500mL water bottle and sipped is A WHOLE LOT more stimulating/cleaner feeling than oxy, and the euphoria beats even oxy's euphoria, though you nodd easier on oxy) and that's about all I can think of right now. All those drugs are for people who like the euphoric/outgoing sociable type of high that oxy gives.

Other people (myself included) aren't as much after the euphoric/sociable/outgoing rushy type effects that the previously mentioned drugs give. Rather they would much rather preffer something that gives you an 'everything's alllright euphoria' with the sedation and nodding which makes them feel 'secure' and 'protected' like underneath an opiate blanket kind of effect. The opiates which give this type of high are methadone (oral- very much a solid opioid high of nodding and of relaxation and the other kind of euphoria where you want to be alone, to yourself for the high and watch tv, and escape from everything into a warm nodd and feel really good about everything, and everything around you seems to be okay), hydrocodone (oral- you want to lye around on your couch, on your own to enjoy and to nodd, and get that 'everything's all right' euphoria of relief), codeine (oral- a lot like the methadone/hydrocodone high, sedating, euphoric in that you nodd out into heaven sort of feeling you get on the more sedating opiates like the ones i'm discussing now), demerol (snorted- gives a high that is pretty unique on it's own though it resembles the more sedating opiates rather than the oxy/fentanyl type of opiates which give a more euphoric/clean and not as sedating high, demerol makes you euphoric and more sedated than codeine or hydrocodone and also gave me minor visuals if i stared at a bright coloured object, very nice, and sedating). That's about all the opiates/opioids I have tried. I would much rather preffer a good sedating high, rather than a clean/sociable/outgoing kind of high. Both type of highs are good, and both give opiate users motivation though the oxy-like drugs give this effect much more so than the methadone-like drugs. Both are good, but some people like myself aren't as much into the 'rushy' kind of drugs and preffer something mellow and euphoric like the highs from weed/benzos. While others do preffer the rushy kind of drugs and will mostly preffer the highs of coke/meth/E over the highs of weed/benzos, than the oxy-like drugs are the most euphoric for them. But what people find euphoric can be relative, just like I mentioned. My idea of euphoria is to be sedated, warm, cozy feeling, nodding and have an euphoria about everything, hence the 'everything's allright' effect.


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