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D_DOOD
15-02-2005, 19:21
I've heard people say that esp. H causes the teeth to become yellow and fall out, maybe because the liver damage in some way, the only medical explanation i've been able to find about the reason for the damage is the dry mouth that opiates cause...what do you think? how is your experience with your teeth?

soundphaRm
15-02-2005, 19:32
No, opiates do not directly cause tooth decay...maybe lack of hygiene associated with certain lifestyles...:\

amnesiaseizure
15-02-2005, 20:22
I think it's crack that really fucks up your teeth and as many heroin users also use crack, this could be the reason.

Basically crack dissolves the enamel on your teeth so they rot and end up on the floor.

I think the only real side effect of heroin is constipation and, of course, addiction.

serpent
15-02-2005, 20:39
if your chasing it then you will find the backs of your teeth will remain black for many years after stopping(from personal experience)

amnesiaseizure
15-02-2005, 20:51
^^really?! I think you have to smoke a hell of a lot to get this as I've never seen any black atuff on my teeth and i've smoked a fair bit. The onlt discolouration I got was a little brown staining between the two front teeth.

serpent
15-02-2005, 20:58
lift your tongue up,tilt your head forwards,then look in the mirror.most users i know suffer from this.i have not used for 6 months before and theres still been traces there.and yes i do brush the backs of my teeth.

D_DOOD
15-02-2005, 20:59
my teeth are pretty white. didn't change much, maybe just a bit becuase of the sigs but i quit that.

amnesiaseizure
15-02-2005, 21:11
Ahh, I know what you mean. Sorry I read your post as the back teeth will get black not the back of your teeth. I've definitely got a lot of staining behind my teeth - I thought it was from smoking fags but now that you mention it it certainly got a lot worse after all the gear I was chasing.

Well, that cleared that up!!

TexasAKS
15-02-2005, 21:29
Originally posted by amnesiaseizure
I think it's crack that really fucks up your teeth and as many heroin users also use crack, this could be the reason.

Basically crack dissolves the enamel on your teeth so they rot and end up on the floor.

I think the only real side effect of heroin is constipation and, of course, addiction.

Crack kills BILLIONS of gum cells upon contact during inhalation... which is why alot of chronic crack smokers have thier teeth fall out.

CreativeRandom
15-02-2005, 21:53
Eegads thats crazy TexasAKS. Why do people persist against the mainline revolution? It is inevitable, it is futile to resist!

I've never heard of H causing any tooth decay or calcium/phosphorus interference.

confusingwizard
16-02-2005, 09:01
A friend of mine said at first he thought maybe opiate-related dental damage was due to the fact that opiates dehydrate you and this somehow damages the teeth. Then he said he "found out" that it was because opiates "give you a sweet tooth." I don't know if he actually read a study about this somewhere or if he just said that because they give him a sweet tooth.

Also, I imagine if you're really heavily addicted and spend a lot of your time nodding or sleeping, you're not gonna brush or floss much.

soundphaRm
16-02-2005, 09:16
That's exactly what I was talking about when I mentioned the lifestyle thing...
If you're homeless on top of all that, you probably (note: I said probably) don't brush/floss enough, either...

thursday
16-02-2005, 09:25
opiates don't dehydrate you. they don't harm your liver. they don't make your teeth fall out.

heroin typically doesn't effect the physical appearance of its users except maybe make chronic users age a lot slower. it's not like most stimulants which are actually physically bad for you.

axl blaze
16-02-2005, 09:29
Originally posted by amnesiaseizure
I think it's crack that really fucks up your teeth and as many heroin users also use crack, this could be the reason.

Basically crack dissolves the enamel on your teeth so they rot and end up on the floor.

I think the only real side effect of heroin is constipation and, of course, addiction.

the hardcore H addicts I know won't even fuck with crack. dunno where you got this one.

thursday
16-02-2005, 09:44
addiction is the side effect of anything that is positively reinforcing. a lot of people are addicted to tv, to music, to money, to power, to sex, to the internet, to food, to video games, to whatever.

if opiates were legal and widely available, heroin addiction wouldn't be a problem either.

The Young Geezer
16-02-2005, 12:07
I know methadone causes tooth decay/loss after years of use, H, never heard about it doing it.

serpent
16-02-2005, 14:11
its not that the smack reacts with the body in some way,just that when the smoke congeals it leaves behind a solid tarry substance,most of this substance apears on the tube you chase it with and on the backs of your teeth,where over the years it builds up.you wouldnt notice it unless you look for it as detailed in my other post.smack does also give you a sweet tooth,i think because it lowers blood sugar levels.crack realy fucks your teeth up.

toxiku
16-02-2005, 14:17
Originally posted by AxL BLaZe
the hardcore H addicts I know won't even fuck with crack. dunno where you got this one.

That's probably a thing of your place, 'cos almost all the hardcore H addicts I know DO fuck with crack

amnesiaseizure
16-02-2005, 15:25
Axl Blaze, I got it from my expereince that's all. If heroin users in your area don't touch smack then fair ebough, around mine lots of them use both. There have also been reports outlining how more and more heroin addicts are now also using crack and that it's a fairly new trend.

I dunno the definite truth but I know if the guy you're buying your gear from also has white then you often think "ah fuck it, i'll have a bit of that too", for some it's the only way they can get the energy to get up and do stuff instead of nodding off!

ebeneezer_geeza
16-02-2005, 15:54
^most heroin users i know will take crack when they have extra money. certainly most heroin users take crack that i know of.


Originally posted by The Young Geezer
I know methadone causes tooth decay/loss after years of use, H, never heard about it doing it.

Methadone DOES NOT cause tooth decay. The reason some ppl who are on heroin/methadone get more cavities is mainly down to two reasons: they dont clean their teeth properely, many drugs inc methadone cause the saliva in the mouth to dry up - this is the main cause for cavities. The saliva acts to serve as a protective barrier which methadone causes it to dry up, hence tooth decay.

So the solution is to drink more water, brush ya teeth more, and make sure your methadone is sugar free.

The Young Geezer
16-02-2005, 17:44
thanks for the info EB_G, you claryfied one misconception I had.

ebeneezer_geeza
16-02-2005, 17:48
^no probs, most ppl beleive it rots ya teeth. I used to think it did too, made sense.

stinkfoot
16-02-2005, 17:54
Originally posted by thursday
heroin typically doesn't effect the physical appearance of its users except maybe make chronic users age a lot slower.

you mean faster......right?

thursday
16-02-2005, 18:01
no. slower.

serpent
16-02-2005, 18:45
it slows your metabolism down,not speed it up.

stinkfoot
16-02-2005, 18:52
far out.

the fountain of youth.

himynameis
16-02-2005, 18:53
Originally posted by AxL BLaZe
the hardcore H addicts I know won't even fuck with crack. dunno where you got this one. Where I'm from, and areas around my area.... and areas I've visited.... ETC, ETC.... LOTS of hardcore H users also like to hit the pipe every now and again.... some alot more than others of course ;)

RoboticOpiateMaster
16-02-2005, 19:13
I heard that the lactose heroin is usually cut with if the reasoning behind tooth decay.
makes sense...

EtaipoFetish
16-02-2005, 19:15
Originally posted by RoboticOpiateMaster
I heard that the lactose heroin is usually cut with if the reasoning behind tooth decay.
makes sense...

I beleive that's true because I remember hearing the same thing somewhere.
Lactose eats at your enamel, right?

CreativeRandom
16-02-2005, 22:09
ah that's scary! I drink ALOT of milk...

fastandbulbous
16-02-2005, 23:55
Yeah, in the UK there's two sorts of methadone maintainance linctus; bog standard and choc full of sugar or low-cal that uses artificial sweetners to cover the taste. They're both that bottle green colour, but the low cal one is less viscous


Lactose eats at your enamel

No, any sugars in the mouth act as food for the plaque bacteria in your mouth, and it's the products that come from the bacteria that are acidic and dissolve the tooth enamel.

BTW, drinking milk is good for your teeth (not just the calcium content) as one of the proteins in milk actually coats your teeth which acts as a barrier to the acidic bacterial products. On top of that, anything with a pH greater than 7 (milk's a bit higher than 7) neutralizes the bacterial acidic products, and plaque bacteria actually grow better in slightly acidic conditions

To quote the Paul Whitehouse, Fast Show character,"int milk brilliant!"