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Adoniss
20-01-2005, 10:00
Heys i just heard that kava kava is illegal in australia soon. Is this true? i have found almost no useful information on the product. Does anyone recommend it or does it go well in combo with ecstasy or weed?

justsayknow
20-01-2005, 10:45
First Ive heard of the laws changing.
It has been regulated for some time so you need a permit to import it/sell it and in some states it is illegal to sell it. I think small amounts for personal use are allowed ATM. Personally I like Kava but it's effects are fairly mild and some people are put off by the taste. Check out erowid for more info.

armadilliO
20-01-2005, 10:47
http://www.erowid.org/plants/kava/kava.shtml

is not that enough info?

Adoniss
20-01-2005, 11:07
i checked it out......there is no dosage info or info on effects or anything! I want peoples opinions and thoughts.

lost_boi
20-01-2005, 11:23
I bought a 200g of crushed kava root form an inidian shop last week. it was in the same aisle as all the herbs and spices etc. i wont name the shop or where bu they charged $9.95 for the 200g and there were was probably about 10 packs on the shelf.
its ok, mildly relaxing as a tea. tastes and smells abit like some chinese herbs.
i did find though that it made me more tired the follwing day, lots of yawning. i did have a few small cups of a strong mix though.

IMHO not very recreational. oddly enjoyable though.

Strawberry_lovemuffin
21-01-2005, 00:29
It's the most disgusting thing I've ever tasted :D

Like muddy sour water. And diddly squat effects; no feeling at all except numb lips.

phase_dancer
21-01-2005, 02:26
My favorite recollection of the Kava experience was watching the main man at his bucks night. I couldn't believe how many bowls he sank - in-between copious amounts of rum, bourbon and beer of course 8(

Just as the "entertainment ladies" arrived, my mate greeted them at the door while stumbling outside for a spew.

Tragic, but funny from where I was sitting =D

But if the groom-to-be hadn't embarrassed himself enough already, he then went on to explain to the girls that he thought neither of them had enough "beef" and how he like his women on the chunky side - which he specifically ordered. As for the rest of us?....8o certainly no complaints from our corner :D

banga
21-01-2005, 05:10
a few years ago, whilst in fiji, i met up with some locals who invited me back for some kava.

anyway all of us sat in this fly infested straw hut drinking kava....also following the local custom of clapping just before you skull. anyway, after about half a dozen skulls of kava from a coconut shell that was passed around i started to fell sick and left the 'boys.

anway, stumbling through the bush back to the hotel i started spewing my guts up (i had already drunk plenty of 'fiji bitter' beer beforehand) until i reached my hotel. upon arrival i crashed out.

next morning i woke up as white as a sheet and as crook as rookwood.

in summary: it did fuck all to me except make me sick. also, kava is the most repulsive drink i've drunk to date.

don't do it!

smart-e
21-01-2005, 06:10
Yeah Ive had the stuff in Fiji, Vanuatu and New Calidonia.

It tastes like shit and doesn't do much expect numb your mouth. I wouldn't bother much better drugs around.

sonicnature
21-01-2005, 06:27
Originally posted by Strawberry_lovemuffin
It's the most disgusting thing I've ever tasted :D

Like muddy sour water. And diddly squat effects; no feeling at all except numb lips.

That is EXACTLY what I was going to write.. (well, pretty close anyway).

Dont waste your time, unless it is prepared by the natives ;)

IWoody
21-01-2005, 08:43
^ I lived in Vanuatu for 10 years and know thier kava rocks esp eremango and tanna kava.

but if your in vila look for the Red laet Nakamal in Seaside Stong Kava Local expat crowd. or learn some Bislama and go to one of the many Nakemals around the country indicated with a red lantern hanging on the street side. Say "bai mi karem wan sell" and enquire about the price by asking "how muss emya??"

AAAANNND Vanuatu kava is hands down the best kava man can get as its from fresh volcanic soil.

keystroke
21-01-2005, 09:00
I picked up a 1kg bag of the stuff not long ago, it's horrible to taste in tea or something but if you get your favourite fruit juice (like a huge popper?) and mix a teaspoon or two into that it's quite alright to stomach!

darko_e
21-01-2005, 09:01
yep tasts yuk and looks like muddy water, didnt do anything when i tried it, over rated

Strawberry_lovemuffin
21-01-2005, 09:47
Originally posted by IWoody
[B or learn some Bislama and go to one of the many Nakemals around the country indicated with a red lantern hanging on the street side. Say "bai mi karem wan sell" and enquire about the price by asking "how muss emya??"

[/B]

Darling that's what I did. My sister was working there for a year, she and one of the local ne-Vanuatu women took me to a little hut in the shanty villages with a red lantern out the front. We asked for the kava just like you described.

I'm sorry, it still tasted like shit and did nothing =D

josh_nexus
21-01-2005, 09:58
Well I have consumed my fair share of utter filth in the name of getting high and kava doesnt even rate a mention. I dont mind the taste at all.

We used to use it alot at my mates house.... we were super poor first year uni students so most nights we would buy a case of goon, a pack or two of generic brand codiene pain killers, all the weed we could afford and some kava...... pretty dirty by todays standards but it was good fun and we would get pretty damn trashed...

Kava is good fun if you ask me.... i wouldnt take it too often though...

keystroke
21-01-2005, 10:58
Kava gets you drunk/relaxed/alert/high but it can also cause liver damage if you abuse it

BigTrancer
22-01-2005, 01:49
Check this out...

National Drugs and Poisons Schedule Committee
Record of Reasons for Meeting 42 - October 2004
http://www.tga.gov.au/ndpsc/record/rr200410.pdf

12.2 Kava and kavalactones (p.68)

[... Discussion of kava and background of consideration for scheduling ...]

Schedule 4 - New entry (p.71)

PIPER METHYSTICUM (Kava) in preparations for human use except:

(a) in preparations for oral use containing dried whole or peeled rhizomes or containing aqueous dispersions or aqueous extracts of whole or peeled rhizome when labelled with a recommended daily dose of 250mg or less of kavalactones:

... (i) containing more than 25mg of kavalactones per dose, labelled with the statement: "WARNING: Not for prolonged use. Not recommended for use by pregnant or lactating women. May harm the liver";

... (ii) in tablet or capsule form containing 125mg or less of kavalactones per tablet or capsule; or

... (iii) in the form of a teabag when the amount of dried whole or peeled rhizome does not exceed 3g;

(b) in topical preparations for use on the rectum, vagina or throat containing dried whole or peeled rhizome or containing aqueous dispersions or aqueous extracts of whole or peeled rhizome; or

(c) in dermal preparations.

BigTrancer :)

DoC
22-01-2005, 09:40
It used to be available in all chemists in a natural sleeping aid preperation but there is actually a voluntary recall partly due to abuse in aboriginal communities in northern territory and partly due to reports of liver failure when abused:

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s1009979.htm

http://www.foodstandards.gov.au/_srcfiles/P256_IAR_091002.pdf

Its permitted for traditional use so you can still get it in fijian stores etc

kie
23-01-2005, 14:49
i had the best sleep i'd had for at least 7+ years. felt slightly sedated like i'd had a small dose of codeine or something. lips were numb - felt interesting.
anyway, i felt a bit more chatty despite slight feelings of sedation.
i went to bed an hour or two after i'd first ingested. remarkable clarity in my dreaming, i was actually in control of everything i was dreaming about. usually i have no control. i woke up the next morning after an 8 hour sleep. i remember opening my eyes and seeing specks on the roof, every little detail. it was as if i'd been up for hours - once again, never been like that. the first 10-20 mins i'm ususally half-awake and barely respond to anything.

rm1x
23-01-2005, 16:36
to my knowledge it's not going to become illegal

I've seen a few Australian websites that sell it in 50g lots, and there's no mention of it being restricted.

dtd
23-01-2005, 18:13
Banga: Alcohol + Kava is not a good idea. If you drink Waka grade Kava and mix it with alcohol you are bound to throw up... Those people that say it has little effect musn't have tried good quality kava. It certainly does have a noticeable effect when you do it properly....

dabb
23-01-2005, 19:35
For all the people complaining about the taste i can't stand to choke it down the normal tea but with lots (and lots) of cadbury hot chocolate powder and milk aswell as hot water i reckon it tastes really good better than hot chocolate on its own. That said i find the effects of kava kava unimpressive and haven't touched the kava kava i've got lying around for a year.

Special-T.B.K
24-01-2005, 05:48
KAVA KAVA

I do not enjoy the taste, it tastes just like concrete powder. Literally. I doubt anyone here has tasted concrete powder I did not taste it by choice but it was a concreting job gone wrong!

However I have felt Numb Legs and lost feeling to my feet. (just kava) and it also trebles the effects of alcohol. So don't drink copius amounts of Kava and Alcohol at the same time, otherwise you will get Very FUKT up!

SpecTBK=D

keystroke
03-03-2005, 03:21
if I have a 1kg bag of Kava powder, what are the chances I will get pulled up flying from Brisbane to Sydney?


I know it's legal, but would I still get pulled aside for it?

BZP TFMPP
03-03-2005, 08:03
You cant smoke it :)

I used to drink it a lot, it makes you body stoned and you cant move. Its legal here and can be purchased at most milkbars

eggman
04-10-2005, 04:20
Just giving this one a little bump for anyone contemplating Kava Kava.

On Friday night, mixed up some Kava using a method I based on the consensus of info I had read from various sources. Drank the mixture on a reasonably empty stomach.

Basically, it did fuck all except numb my mouth and make my legs tingly from the knee down. That lasted for about 45 minutes, except for feeling rather tired, it was business as usual from that point on.

Didn't really have any of the eclectic dreams I read so much about, howver I did sleep heavily and for a long time the next day. In addition the next day I did notice some extreme irratability at simple things that I would normally just shrug off.

In summary, I wish I had two pairs of arms so I could give Kava Kava 4 thumbs down! :p

plazma
04-10-2005, 06:11
Man, I can't believe so many people are ragging on Kava. I don't actually mind it, its not a great drug to combine with other things, especially alcohol, as others have said. I've found on the occasions I've drunk it, sure it doesn't have a pleasant taste (mostly I stirred the powdered material into chocolate milk) but if you drink it fast it's not too bad, and there's certainly a lot more to the effects than just feeling sick and/or getting numb lips. I find it's pretty similar body-feeling to being well stoned, but without so much mental effect apart from extreme relaxation and a feeling of lucidity.

BZP TFMPP : You can actually smoke Kava, but it requires doing an alkaloid extraction using something like acetone, its on erowid.

Don't ever smoke it without doing the extraction. ;)

-plaz out-

eggman
04-10-2005, 07:55
^ I just didn't get it. Was expecting the body stoned feeling as that was what I was reading a lot about from the reports, but just didn't happen. I did get a strong feeling of relaxation, but no more than say just laying around on the couch watching TV. My main problem was the work to benefit ratio, the preperation was quite messy and tedious.

Maybe I need to extract it and smoke it ;)

Urbanhog
04-10-2005, 10:14
There's a special Kava specialist place up in Cairns that serves you Kava shots, drinks and its got pool table, etc. :)

12345
04-10-2005, 10:42
^ Yeah same with in Adelaide, its got a nice little chill out area.

lostNfound
04-10-2005, 12:10
Originally posted by lost_boi
I bought a 200g of crushed kava root form an inidian shop last week. it was in the same aisle as all the herbs and spices etc. i wont name the shop or where bu they charged $9.95 for the 200g and there were was probably about 10 packs on the shelf.
its ok, mildly relaxing as a tea. tastes and smells abit like some chinese herbs.
i did find though that it made me more tired the follwing day, lots of yawning. i did have a few small cups of a strong mix though.

IMHO not very recreational. oddly enjoyable though.

Nothings changed since then.
It makes you tired the next day (similar to an opiate hangover). tingly legs and a numb tongue.
Any it wasnt exciting enough for me to go back for more, in fact I'm sure the same pack i bought then is in an airtight container in the pantry somewhere.
Anyway, fun to play with now and then but not really worth it for any recreational high.

Fry-d-
04-10-2005, 13:29
A FOAF thought it was going to be the best drug ever when reading the effects on the side of the packet when holidaying in Fiji so brought back enough powder to make about 350 litres of the stuff without trying it first.

Now they have what they call an unlimited supply of dirt potion: Looks like dirt, tastes like dirt and has the effects of eating wet dirt ;)

I've yet to try it....

Special-T.B.K
04-10-2005, 16:15
Originally posted by Urbanhog
There's a special Kava specialist place up in Cairns that serves you Kava shots, drinks and its got pool table, etc. :)

Not anymore there's not.....

SpecTBK=D

DrugsAreGood
09-06-2006, 17:45
Sorry to have to re-open this thread.

I had been showing a lot of interest in trying some more legal substances. Why not try Kava i thought. I hear about mixed experiences, some say it does shit all, some say it is pleasantly relaxing. I guess this would depend on dosage.

Sounds ok. Many have warned about its terrible taste. I didnt think it could be that bad. Fuck i was wrong. I served up a decent dosage with a fair amount of liquid, honey and chocolate. All the fucking around with the prep and then putting it all down was a different story. Definetely not worth all the fucking around. Worst tasting shit ever.

Anyone thinking of trying the shit, dont bother.

I would rather a shitty tasting cactus brew anyday. At least there is some effect after all the hassle.

Diacetylus
09-06-2006, 23:39
In my opinion, for the people that have had little-to-no success with Kava-Kava, you're either using the crushed plant material (that usually doesn't contain as much of the "roots and bark" material as it should), or you're simply not using enough.
It's a damn cheap plant and pretty easily found in most herbalist stores, but these places usually sell the poor quality commercial crap that doesn't contain a high amount of Kavalactones (ie: the psychoactive that induces the sought out intoxication).
Ohh and for the record, Kavalactones are thought to act on the GABA neurotransmitter in the brain, which is responsible for the sedating and calming qualities of the high. I also read somewhere that there's thought to be Dopamine ataganonistic effects in the brain.

If you do make the tea successfully, I highly recommend not skulling it like the Fijiian natives try to encourage, as this is probably why you're feeling sick and nauseus which is possibly over powering the enjoyable buzz produced by the tea. Drink slowly. It's an acquired taste, it really is.

In my experience, mixing it with alcohol will tend to make you feel more rotten in the morning, much more so than if you were to just drink alcohol alone and there really shouldn't be any lasting effects into the next day. What I experience is a mild (similar to an Opiate afterglow) refreshing awakening, that leaves you feeling peaceful and chilled for the rest of the day. Nice feeling.
If you feel the need to mix anything with Kava-Kava, I highly recommend combining Cannabis, we all know that weed is pretty well reknown for having great synergistic qualities and can really bring out the intoxication of a mild psychoactive.

I think the main thing I enjoy about Kava-Kava, is it's muscle relaxant properties and the clarity that ensues, not to mention the mild visual "glowing" effect, not dissimilar to the one produced by a low dose of alcohol.