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Glory Days
14-12-2004, 02:56
Hi all, I'm new to the threads (although I have been reading them for a while) and just thought I'd say hello. However, I was rather curious about how many drug users out there are currently studying or have finished studies at University? I recently graduated from High School a few weeks ago and was accepted into a law and business degree next year and was hoping some of you would be able to share your opinions with me about what it's like to take drugs during your vocational studies - whether it's a good idea and if it really effects your grades?!? I wouldn't really call myself a big drug user as I have only been smoking weed for a few years (and am planning on cutting down), have only done XTC a few times recently, and am thinking about doing it more often as I find myself getting quite interested in the rave scene and because I'm on a three and a half month break am thinking about maybe trying acid and shrooms.

Appreciate the feedback. Cheers.

katmeow
14-12-2004, 03:03
I try to limit drug use to the holidays - it's only two lots of 16 weeks - not that difficult. I've given up a full time job to go back to uni, so I'm not there to stuff around. I normally find that a weekend of partying takes me a few days to get over & I can't afford to not have a clear head when doing assignments etc. Also, my short term memory takes a bit of a dive for a little while after using MDMA - not the best thing for uni.

Using only in the hollidays then makes it like a reward for hard work during semester =D

Psychadelic_Paisly
14-12-2004, 03:19
I just finished my undergrad, going into a masters degree. I found that regular meth & ecstacy use lead me to struggle with my concentration during lectures which I found very frustrating.
The trick is to give it at least a few weeks between plays. Also, being in 1st year - while it will be difficult, don't drink 5 out of the 7 days in the week...... No good comes from that.

mongman
14-12-2004, 04:57
Hi,
Im studying a Telecommunications Engineering degree and have entered what I hope to be my final year. (5th year)

I have used drugs consistantly over the period of my degree. During the later 3 years I think that I would be struggling to find a day I didn't use a drug. This has increasingly effected my results. In my 4th year I failed a number of classes, I atribute this to cronic drug use. But hey I have had a blast, some may frown upon it but Im happy with were I am in life and enjoy the uni lifestyle and hence am in no hurry to rush on to the inevitable next stage in my life.

From my exerences I strongly urge you as a school leaver to enjoy your drugs but don't let it become a daily event. Regarding acid and shrooms, I find them to be intelectual drugs and don't think they will effect your abilities to study in any large degree. The drugs I feel have effected my academic progress are:
Methamphetamine -cronic everyday use-easy to do if you study on it. Sure it good to start with but wait a year.....
MDMA and friends (MDA etc) - Don't push it to hard, no pub night does NOT mean rave at the pub =)
Morphine -to a degree, but only while your on it
ALCOHOL -yes alcohol, this should be at the top of the list Benzodepines (spelling?)
Pot/Hashish -Only Cronic use effects me but everyone is different

brokenbeat
14-12-2004, 05:10
Hi i've just finished first year uni and i agree that to concentrate in lectures is definitely harder after a big weekend so i try to limit ecstacy/meth consumption to once a month. Took each usually twice a month in year twelve and did fine, but you have to be more disciplined at uni cos there's no-one there forcing you to work so you need to be motivated, well i do anyway. Unfortunately for me that means massive binges in the holidays, way two many 3-5 day benders recently... Realistically if you are on top of your workload then it's all good, but don't let it affect your grades

BigTrancer
14-12-2004, 06:55
There is also a College and University Forum here at BL in the community section if you're interested.

BigTrancer :)

Virtua_Trancer
14-12-2004, 06:56
considering you will taking pills on mostly weekends, i dont see a problem in performance, i am in the final year and Ecstasy hasn't changed my studying.

on the contrary, weed on a daily basis did affect me a lot. it's just something that i wouldn't do anymore when i'm attending uni.

fcuking_in_heaven
14-12-2004, 08:54
Yeah just knocked off my first year of a combined commerce law degree. This was my first year taking drugs, mostly pot and pills. Didnt fail a single subject, got fucked up every now and then, missed a shitload of lectures but came out all good. Just make sure your drug use doesnt fuck with your job. Without a job you got no money. Without money you got no good times, without good times you get bored then you get desperate and then bad shit can happen. Everyone is different man. If you think you're smart enough to handle then go and do it. I know a lot of people who cant though.

dabb
14-12-2004, 18:28
Originally posted by fcuking_in_heaven
. This was my first year taking drugs, mostly pot and pills. Didnt fail a single subject, got fucked up every now and then, missed a shitload of lectures but came out all good. If you think you're smart enough to handle then go and do it.

Agreed, i've maintained a basically credit average while going out hard every weekend and barely ever attending lectures rather spending my days smoking weed and sometimes doing other drugs. All i ever do is clean out during study week/exam period and sometimes mid-semester if i have a lot of assignments and exams close together. My experience is most first years drug takers or not rarely start an assignment more than a couple of days before its due and don't study for mid-semesters till the day before and only study for finals during study week, first year uni really isnt that hard. That said some people struggle even though they go to all the lectures and put real effort into assignments put these people aren't necessarily 'cut out' for uni and often don't finish their degrees.

bill joe
14-12-2004, 19:39
"My experience is most first years drug takers or not rarely start an assignment more than a couple of days before its due and don't study for mid-semesters till the day before and only study for finals during study week, first year uni really isnt that hard"

Man seriously this does not only apply to drug users , almost every student is like this especially first year.

I partake in mdma and good old mary jane during uni and have basically a distinction average. I do mdma every month or so during the uni peroid and do not find this hindering my studies much if at all. I used to smoke weed fairly often go to lectures stoned etc but now mainly keep that to the weekends , the main way in which weed hinders my uni work is that i will not do any if on it or got some at home cause ill just smoke it.

So i would say that it is quite easy to still enjoy your drugs whilst still do well at university but make sure you do the work. First semester is always hardest because you just do not know what the fuck to do and how it all works, after this it because considerable easier.

Best luck to ya mate
Joe

Tronica
15-12-2004, 00:13
I think it really depends on your goal at uni. Are you there to just get a degree (that is, not fail anything and get to the end?). Well drug use during semester, if in moderation, should still be ok if you monitor yourself as others in this thread have said.

I'm actually pretty glad that I didn't even try anything until end of 3rd year. My goal was to get distinctions or high distinctions in every subject - basically I was studying non-stop through all weekends all of 3 year to do this. There is no way I could have done that whilst consuming much of any drugs (alcohol included). But then, I've always been a bit of a nerd when it comes to studying ;)

Your head needs to be in good condition to study well. It's really that simple... I think the idea of abstaining throughout the semester and having a nice party in between is the way to go if your grades matter to you :)

aunty establishment
15-12-2004, 02:48
I'm with Tronica on this one. I've tried it every way - caning it on the weekend but attending all my classes; caning it too often and needing lines before class to do presentations (bad idea, aunty!!); and finally saving the drugs for the holidays. The last way worked best for me but like Tronica said, it was about my goals - I wanted to do better at school so some things had to change.

Personally I found that bender at the end of the semester so much more rewarding than getting messed up every weekend and feeling guilty about underachieving. It's really a personal decision. Lots of kids take drugs occasionally at Uni and graduate just fine - just don't get carried away and drop out altogether ;)

dabb
15-12-2004, 05:11
Originally posted by bill joe
"..most first years drug takers or not..."

Man seriously this does not only apply to drug users , almost every student is like this especially first year.


Yeah that was what i was trying to say as well, by "most first years drug takers or not" i mean "most first year students, whether they be drug takers or not drug takers..."

Pseudo G
15-12-2004, 05:35
Do an arts degree, problem solved.

satricion
15-12-2004, 07:49
Hi.

I've done three years of a double degree.

If I were you I wouldn't take ecstasy at all during the term. In my opinion it makes you a bit stupid for about a week and you don't need that shit at uni. I don't really take ecstasy at all any more, but when I did I only did it during the holidays and I'm glad I did so.

I don't think acid really makes you stupid...it can make you a bit weird the next day but I'd be comfortable tripping during the term, just as long as I didn't have to do any brain work for the next couple of days. It doesn't really screw around with your short term memory or anything, but I find it hard to get into "normal" mindsets (like the one required to do academic work) after tripping.

With regards to weed, my advice would be to only smoke once or twice a week and never if you have to do any work or anything the next day.

With that in mind, I have to say that I smoked a shitload of weed during the last semester, sometimes up to five days a week, and I managed to do pretty well. It was more of an effort though, and I made sure that I had at least one day break between any weed smoking and any assessable work. Smoking the day before you have to go to lectures can take it's toll, but I did it and was okay. I'm not encouraging that though...if I had more self control with weed I'd have smoked much less and might have done better at uni.

Cowboy Mac
15-12-2004, 07:57
Originally posted by Pseudo G
Do an arts degree, problem solved.
bahaha =D

mongman
15-12-2004, 10:05
I have to disagree with the "if your smart enough to pass just go for it" angle. As I think I was/am(?) pretty inteligent and have no problem getting my head around multivariable calculus or advanced computer architecture. But after a 3.5 year drug binge on everything nature and human invention could throw at my brain, I have to admit my grade have suffered.
So everything in moderation I say....

Note: I must say the real trick is to keep up the study. In my 4 years at uni I did very little lecture attendance and NO study/problems preparing for exams (ie. Never done a problem for the subject before sitting the exam..)
So I strongly urge school leavers to do the drugs but also do the study and get the good work habits all sorted out.

Killing_time
15-12-2004, 18:13
Originally posted by satricion
Hi.

I've done three years of a double degree.

If I were you I wouldn't take ecstasy at all during the term. In my opinion it makes you a bit stupid for about a week and you don't need that shit at uni. I don't really take ecstasy at all any more, but when I did I only did it during the holidays and I'm glad I did so.

I don't think acid really makes you stupid...it can make you a bit weird the next day but I'd be comfortable tripping during the term, just as long as I didn't have to do any brain work for the next couple of days. It doesn't really screw around with your short term memory or anything, but I find it hard to get into "normal" mindsets (like the one required to do academic work) after tripping.

With regards to weed, my advice would be to only smoke once or twice a week and never if you have to do any work or anything the next day.

With that in mind, I have to say that I smoked a shitload of weed during the last semester, sometimes up to five days a week, and I managed to do pretty well. It was more of an effort though, and I made sure that I had at least one day break between any weed smoking and any assessable work. Smoking the day before you have to go to lectures can take it's toll, but I did it and was okay. I'm not encouraging that though...if I had more self control with weed I'd have smoked much less and might have done better at uni.
This is me... me shares my views... it's scary.
=D
I've found if I pill during the semester it means a week of doin' fuck all work which means you're a week behind (which, more than likely, you won't catch up on), which means more fucking around during exam time.
I always cram come exam time, as majority of uni students I know do, but it's a lot easier with a clear head
PEACE

psy_taco
16-12-2004, 05:30
I've just finished my first year studying psychology and criminology and managed to pull of good grades (high H2a average = 76-79%). I didn't do pills more than once or twice a month and mainly did them when I'd finished a major assignment/s and had nothing due for a while, this way I didn't matter whether or not I was a bit fucked mentally for a few days. I kept weed for just the start of the semester and maybe once or twice a fortnight during semester but mainly smoked when we got back from a night on the piss meaning the next day was a right off so being hazy didn't matter. The drug that will probably be consumed by youthe most will be alcohol - go nuts at the start of the semester and when you don't have work due but don't drink much during study for exams. I lived at a college so we drank ALOT often when semester started drinking everyday for the first week and a half and then at least twice a week during semester. If you can go hard and still pull of good marks then do it - but as you say you're a law business student then i suggest you keep up too date with your studies and study regularly. Uni is a hell of alot of fun so enjoy as best you can but always remember that your their to get your degree and that is the most important thing

pharmy1717
18-05-2005, 12:19
if ur fairly new to the drug scene, in terms of e, id suggest that it may not take all that much to give u a good time... me and friends are also fairly new, got into it during that 3 month break between uni and school, and some of us have continued to during uni.. if on a sat night, u can have enough to get u pilling, but not fucked, sleep all of sun, then i find im sweet to get through the week, without losing concentration (or more than i would normally).. guess it depends how much it effects u- id say im not scattered after mon coz i dont fuck myself over regularly..hehe dunno if makes sense :) good luck :)

Glory Days
18-05-2005, 12:26
^^ I've basically been doing the same. Every few weeks I might get on it, and try not to go 'too' hard so I only really loose that weekend. I've cut down smoking weed, which I defiantly think has helped.

Redscout
18-05-2005, 15:06
depends how well you can handle yourself after you take drugs and how well you want to do in uni. If you're in the 'P's=Degrees' demographic of students, you could probably afford to do it a bit more.
If you're planning on doing honours or postgrad study (where you'll need to get the HD's to compete for a postgrad spot), just play it cool and do it only once in a while me thinks.

In my break between my 1st and 2nd year, i smoked a shitload of weed and things really suffered for me. I know people who got really into theirs during their 1st year and dropped out. Mind you, i know people who have been well into their drugs and still done well in uni.

Just be careful. I agree with Mongman. Everything in moderation.

gher
18-05-2005, 15:16
I'm in 3rd year doing engineering. I can't afford to take much in the way of drugs time or money wise. I've taken two pills and two trips this semester, one of each at the beginning and one of each less than a month ago.

Acid doesn't seem to negatively affect me - on the contrary, mathematical subjects seem more interesting in the afterglow, and there's also the general motivational boost I find in the week after.

Pills do have more of a negative effect. I had one on the weekend and have been generally lacking in motivation since. I expect this to last a few more days.

I don't smoke weed much because it drains my motivation in the afterglow. I know it's a stereotype but it's true for me. Had a few joint hits the other night and felt even more off balance yesterday. Never doing that again.

In the meantime I have a quiz tomorrow (should be sweet for that) and a report due friday (done all my research, just need to get writing).

aBitOfAWorry
18-05-2005, 15:27
I would defiantly recommend only doing drugs during the holidays or maybe at the start of a semester when you don't have much work. Looking at my university results for the past three years, I can almost see exactly when I started taking drugs frequently. Weed seemed to strip me of motivation and alcohol made me waste days recovering. Having a bar in the middle of my university is great, but it has also greatly contributed to my decreasing marks. Just make sure that you keep up to date and don’t settle for just passes if you can do better. (Even though P=Degree!)

Only 4 weeks until I graduate!

potato
18-05-2005, 15:38
^Nice, sounds not too unlike my experience of uni/drugs.

I'm in fourth year Eng/Sci, and I smoke pot less than once a week and do pills less than once a month (I try to limit to once every 2 months but lately it's been more frequent).

I find that pot leaves me feeling muddy headed and demotivated for a few days or even a week afterwards. I dont recommend doing it within 2-3 weeks of exams.

Pills can be varying in damage. I am usually scattered the next day and often the one after too, but have found that I can eliminate almost all scatteredness by going straight home from an event and going to bed by 8am at the latest. Overall i'd say pills haven't been much worse for me than alchohol. After a big night on the piss (and I had many, many in first year) I lose most of the next day in terms of useful work.

The thing about 1st year is this - many many first years party hard for the entire year, don't go to class, and consume excessive amounts of alcohol. If you do lots of drugs and fuck up your 1st year you're not really any different to the college student that drank 5 nights a week and fucked up first year. That being said, you want to at least pass everything so here are a few tips:

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If you're the kind of person that learns easily and can get decent marks without sweating too hard, then lecture attendance is not essential. Exceptions are 'advanced stream' subjects. Also for subjects like chemistry it will make life a lot easier if you do go to lectures.

GO TO TUTORIALS. Seriously, that one hour a week is where you learn everything. Even if you feel like you're not understanding anything, you're behind, go anyway. I have gone to all 3 lectures in a week and slept thru them then gone to a tute and learnt/understood the whole weeks content.

Read the notes/textbook - even if you wait until SWOTVAC, everything you need to know should be in the subject reader and textbook. I have taught myself many a subject in SWOTVAC and got good marks for it. Eg I taught myself C for a programming subject in 2 weeks by reading 'Sam's teach yourself C in 21 days'. I'd been to 2 lectures, most of the tutes, and I got 85% for it.

DO THE PROBLEMS. Even if you wait til swotvac, try to complete all the homework that was set throughout the semester. 12 weeks worth of questions may seem overwhelming, but it can be finished in as little as 3-4 days if you're determined and have the willpower to sit and work hard for 10 hours a day with only a few short breaks.
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Anyway, I've passed all my subjects so far, and my average is around 80%. I did very little work in 1st year, but do more now, although I still rarely go to lectures. I tend to cram my courses in swotvac and do pretty well that way.

So you can get away with doing quite a lot of drugs in first year and still pass, but you should realise that things get more serious as you get further into the degree.

1bRAVEheart1
18-05-2005, 20:09
I have recently finished a Commerce degree, and have been using drugs for the last couple of years.

My drug use is fairly infrequent, and I don't think it had a negative impact on my studies at all. In fact the last couple of years I would say have been the most productive in all facets of my life.

I think it is all about responsibility. In that sense, illicit drugs probably shouldn't be treated much differently to alcohol. If you use them too frequently, they will screw up your grades at uni. If you have an exam or an essay the next week, you probably shouldn't be writing yourself off on the weekend. If you are responsible enough to not do this, then you probably can take drugs during uni without messing with your grades. If you are the type of person who will put the university responsibilities second, because the opportunity for a huge night has come up, then you should probably be saying no drugs during semester.

You are your own judge of whether or not you can handle taking drugs during semester. I'm sure you know how long it takes you to bounce back after taking ecstasy and feel completely functional etc.

Sorry about the possible incoherence of this post. I should be asleep.

bRAVEheart

plazma
18-05-2005, 20:36
Shit, as one of those deep into the bowels of an arts degree. Moderation is probably the key. I managed to abstain from all drugs during semester time last year, and averaged distinctions with ease. That said, this semester I've managed to blow it and smoke way too much fucking weed during the initial stages, and miss most of my lectures. I don't recommend it, its a pain in the ass trying to claw your way out of a hole you've dug yourself.

SO BE WARNED. Even doing an arts degree can't save you from all the perils of uni and drugs. ;)

-plaz-

speedygonzales
19-05-2005, 07:48
A hell of alot of people in undergraduate studies at uni take drugs and sell drugs at my unit there was a pot club and we rented out out the class rooms to have a party. allot of dealers too in undergraduate studies

eggman
19-05-2005, 08:07
Best thing is to just ease into it. For your very first semester I strongly suggest paying attention and getting a feel for the whole Uni approach to studies. After this though, you can take it easy for the first few weeks and step up as you move closer to end of semester exams.

Like a previous post said, best to keep use for the holiday period and fly straight during the semester. Use WILL effect your mental performance and next thing you know a mountain of work will be on top of you and it will be FF grades, more semesters than you counted on and a HECS debt to rival IMF loans to 3rd world countries.

... and definately scale back your pot use.

ozbreaker
19-05-2005, 08:39
^^^^Excellent points eggman.

If you feel you can set rules for yourself and be disciplined enough to stick to them then why not, but Uni/more options in life should always come before drugs.

From my experience if you did all your assignments and were never in the situaton of trying to catch up at the end of the semester it was really not that hard to pass. The hard part was not procrastinating ;)

Uni is all about jumping through the right hoops at the right times.

If you decide to partake in substances then you could always do it on a reward basis where you make rules and stick to them.

During semester you might even be able to use a big night as a rewarb for getting all your assignments/tutorials done and 2 weeks to the exams until the end of exams nothing is to be consumed.

faerie
19-05-2005, 16:10
It really depends on the person I think.

For me, it doesn't work :p because I am lazy and I'm one of those people who will leave things till the last minute, then go out the night before an exam etc. But it works for some.

Word of advice...don't smoke weed if you want to do homework.

I personally can't do it (which is why after quitting uni, then going back, I am quitting again) because I suck. Of course thats not just drug related, but also related to the fact that I'm a lazy sod 8(

Although I do think taking my first e in my first semester of uni was a bad idea. :|

gher
19-05-2005, 16:59
If you have good self-control and indulge in non-perishable drugs, might I suggest buying your supply for the year/semester and no more. Obviously this works best for one-off, non-addictive drugs such as ecstasy and psychedelics but I'm sure anyone can do this with their drugs of choice. Plus depending on your dealer, you might be able to get a bulk discount. Just make sure no one knows about your stash for not only legal reasons but also to make sure it lasts the year.

dabb
20-05-2005, 09:26
I've drastically cut down on my drug use this semester, for the first time i'm rarely high during the week rather than constantly and i've cut down on the number of weekends that involve drugs too. Hasn't helped at all, procrastination is still my big problem and i still leave things to the last second, i wanna keep up my partial sobriety till the end of this semester so i can figure out proper organisation and time management to get started on things early but i think after i have this figured out im going back to using alot, just slotting drugs into my schedule any time i don't have work to do. I honestly believe if you manage your time properly you can still get away with a lot of drug use without effecting your uni work, i know people who do a range of degrees and none them really require you to put enormous amounts of time into them to suceed so why not use drugs when you have the opportunity, esp. as that opportunity may not exist when you leave uni and get a 'serious' job?

mattz0r
20-05-2005, 09:30
gher, I thought that'd be too risky because if you got caught, it wouldn't be possession - it'd be intent to deal?

As for me, I'm first year engineering so I'm not touching drugs (ecstasy mainly) during semester because I'm a bit sketchy afterwards. My 18th taught me that :)

gher
20-05-2005, 13:17
I know, that's why I said don't let anyone know.