Pre and Post HELP!

I have just reacenly started pre and post loading, 1st time @ MOS (perth) this is what I had
Pre
300 mg 5HTP
1000 mg Magniesium
1000 mg Vitamin C+
2500 mg L-Glutamine
1000 mg L-Tyrosine
1000 mg DPLA
Post
300 mg 5HTP
1000 mg Magniesium
1000 mg Vitamin C+
1 x Multi vitamin/mineral
1 x Gastrolight
my weight is 80 kg and I'm 6f2
Now I pre loaded 8h b4 the event and had a light dinner of carbohydrates, popped my pill @ 1:00 am (dutch windmill,fairly strong pill) and felt some what dissapointed coz my peak was't that great, popped the 2nd pill @ 3:30 am no luved up peak just sraight to feeling horrid, not wanting to dance and realy freaked out, got the shakes and jitters and pins and needels in my arms and legs, what I'm asking is, has anyone felt this way b4?, em I taking to much of my pre/post load mix? or r they out of preportion? I realy need help on this one coz I want my NYE to b a fantastic night out, and I'm so longing for that high I once had. Or could it be that my body is tollerating MDXX, I average 2 pills in 1 night, aproxx once a month along with a point off whizz and I have been pilling it since Jan 2000. Any suggestions would b greatly appriciated.
"take away the bass and all ur left 2 hear is ur high"
[This message has been edited by wizzE kid (edited 08 December 2000).]

over to dd you go

Your pre and post load levels seem fine. Start you preloading rountine 2-3 days before you actually drop your pill.
Personally, i prefer to go halves but that's a matter of personal opinion. Experiment with halves on another time and see what is does for you. (I'm about 65kg)
How long did your peak last for tho'? I noticed that you dropped the 2 pills between 1am and 3:30am. Its all also about mood and setting, so its not always in the pill!!
Never had the Dutch Windmills as I am not in perth so haf to look for another perthian for advice on that!! What do others say about it?
Since you do it about once a mth, there shldn't be a problem with tolerance.

yeah wizze I experienced something similar, which I have a suspicion was because of the 5-HTP.
I preloaded for the first time at Delirious, by taking 5-HTP and multi-vitamins (which had a bit of vitamin c and magnesium in them).
I took about 150 mg the night before, and 100 mg on the morning, and found that during this time i was jittery and frantic, and had strange amounts of energy for someone who didnt get much sleep. When i had the first half of my pill (which was Hammer, has had me completely fucked in the past at MOS), It had only very mild rushes, it was more like i had drank 3 cups of coffee, and i could never actually capture the mood - i was depressed, paranoid and tired.
The second half of the hammer which i had much later actually kicked in eventually and felt great, but only after two hours, but it was no where NEAR as strong a peak as the first time i had a hammer. My point is, this was a HUGE change in behaviour from the last time i took the exact same pill, and the only difference was that i had used 5-HTP this time.
It could have just been the mood and surroundings and the fact that i was a bit tired, but it was a huge difference. Has anyone else found that 5-HTP gives them a wierd experience when rolling?

I pre-loaded and post-loaded with 5HTP for the first time last night.
100mg Thursday
150mg Friday
200mg Saturday
*100mg Pure MDMA Saturday night*
200mg Today (sunday)
I don't know what went wrong with you guys (got some ideas tho) but I had an awesome time... my 'peak' lasted for a good 1-2hrs, and the whole experience went from around 2am till 8am... I havn't had such a great experience from so little in a hell of a long time.
It's possible that your expectations of the results of the pre/post-load affected you experience... Set and Setting plays such a huge role, and the expectation that because you pre-loaded you'd have a huge peak could have dulled it... Like when you wait and concentrate on coming up its usually less powerful than if you just forget about it and get on with your night...
I completely forgot that I'd pre-loaded until I was blown away by the first clean powerful peak... from then on I was floating...
WizzE kid: I don't know about your wanting to dance yet being really freaked out, but could the shakes and jitters be anxiety, or were they too strong for that? Tolerance shouldn't be an issue, I've been going for 3 years, the last 3 months or so have been just about every week, tho only one pill or one cap each night...
Commuter: "jittery and frantic, and had strange amounts of energy for someone who didnt get much sleep" ...sounds like anxiety there to me too
http://www.bluelight.ru/ubb/Forum32/HTML/000020.html?reload=3
check Deep's post and the other threads in the FAQ section, there's plenty of info there, tho I'm guessing you've already seen that WizzE kid
Umm, no other advice except what GoneGoose said, try the 3 day preload routine, and just go out and have fun, and bugger the drugs and how they're supposed to feel! Mind you, I'm no expert, hell, it was my first pre-load too
Hope it goes better next time

im not really sure about how much 5htp does on a preload (if uve already had two weeks or so to build up the seritonin again) but it works wonders on post loads.
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Hmmm...I've never pre/post loaded....but i have taken st johns wort to avoid getting down/depressed comig down once...
All i do is pop my pill, party and then finally (if its a good pill) go to sleep...I guess that 5htp or whatever would be good to build up the seratonin...i try to let a month pass between pills casue i read that it takes 2 weeks for the brain to naturally build up seratonin after an e

We haven't used 5-hydroxytryptophan *yet* (have a bottle in the mail) but what seems to work for S and myself is a multivitamin called 'Tressos B'...you can only buy it from health food shops, and if they ask you if your naturopath has reccommended it, say YES! (i've been going to a naturopath for the past 7 months) This multivitamin shits all over centrium, and the rest, it is THE BEST on the market
we take 2 about 2 hours before we pill, and 2 just as we go to sleep. We take 2 St Johns Wort as well.
Also, if you can't get 5htp, try L-tryptophan. it is the precursor to 5htp. You can buy Natures Own brand (over the counter) B complex with 25 mg L-tryptophan. You'd need to take about 6 of the suckers, but since L-Tryptophan and 5htp are both considered S2 substances in Australia (supply without prescription illegal) and if you go to a doctor they will prescribe you prozac rather than either of these, so it can only help !(an amount of over 200mg of L-Tryptophan is illegal without prescription...but there are ways around this.... )
BTW, if you are on any MAO inhibitors (certain anti-depressants) you should NOT take 5htp or L-tryptophan. Hypericum (St Johns Wort) is being studied at the moment by the TGA to see what it exactly does. They are not sure if it is an SSRI or an MAOI. They think it may have the effects of both of these anti-depressants...so be careful when taking 5htp and you are on StJW. StJW is also a fantastic liver cleansing agent, so when you take it the next day, you'll find that it flushes the mdxx out of your system quicker...
One more thing...Bananas and Turkey Meat are rich in L-Tryptophan.
(i know alot of you know this, but this is really for the original posters benefit... )
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Thank u all 4 replying to my post, ur info was greatly apricieated, in responce to
>Genegoose, my first peak was realy week lasted about 1 1/2h in length and then nothing, popped my 2nd (and this is to Tarsarlan) the experience was intence, no happy high just realy freaked out about what was going to happen next, it lasted till 7:00 when I started to come down, and I think it was to do with how much I consumed, coz I remembered trying to pee in the morning and it was virtually impossible, then went home chuged my post load and was fine 4 the rest of the day.
Would taking say, a point of wizz affect ur pre/post in any way, or affect ur peak b4 u popp?
"take the bass line away, and or ur left to hear is ur high"

id had pink superman (same batch) on two occasions and on the third decided to pre load with 5htp, HORRIBLE im assuming the 5htp may have bought out what was REALLY in these pills, like a mUCH sronger dose... i felt so yuck and just couldn't bring myself out of it, now ive had 2 and a half of these supermen in one night and had the BEST night ever, this time only one and half and it was AwFul, all i can put it down to was preloading... i got a headache and Weird pains in my lower tummie (NOT girl stuff!!!) and just felt dam WEIRd not happy talking to anyone or doing anything that lasted bout 6 hours, my boyfriend has the same pills and amount of everthing i did and got that weird burping thing and felt sick most the night and all the strange anxiety and uneasiness i did. yes there was sum form of acid in these pills but this doesn't change a thing! atmosphere all occaisions similar, good setting, people etc.... i just DOn'T get it... 5htp post load EXCELLENT thou eveytime puts me to sleep.. anyone had a similar experience?

I remember reading a similar thread to this a few months ago in another forum, it was mentioned that high levels of L-Tyrosine and DPLA in a pre-load can someimtes lead to anxiety and jitters due to the increased energy they provide. Perhaps this is the reason for the uneasy feeling. Try reducing the amount of L-Tyrosine and DPLA and see.

Hey snail, you have seen my dose of L-Tryosine and DPLA so what would think I should cut my dose 2, also what would be the recommended time to take ur pre load, some say 8h b4 u popp, others say 2h, so what is the difference ?

I do 100mg of 5htp almost everyday and double up to 200mg on the night before i drop. On the night b4 i drop, I would take do my preload 11/2 hours before. It always works for me and the peak lasts longer and better.
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wizzE kid: I would cut your L-Tyrosine and DPLA doses in half, they effect different ppl in different ways. DPLA in particular is associated with the fight or flight feelings that are present when one is confronted with a threatening situation and prepares the body for action. As such, if you are taking a higher amount than your body personally needs you are fostering feelings of anxiety.
Regarding timing of the pre-load it appears this is also a completely subjective thing, as with everything pre-load wise the best bet is to experiment experiment experiment. Though I do agree that with jerox in that around an hour or so before dropping is your best bet.

hijukal: The easiest place to get it is online at www.iherb.com if you've got a credit card

I've purchased 5-HTP from iherb on a number of occasions, by credit card, and I've been more than happy with their service. They say allow 2-4 weeks for international deliveries, but without exception, every delivery I've had from them has been in less than 6 working days.
Also, don't be alarmed when you see the sticker on the box that says "Opened, Inspected and Resealed by CUSTOMS"... it happens to all of their packages.
BigTrancer
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I don't want to sound paranoid, but just consider how much of what you're writing could help send you to Jail.

No probs with iHerb, very fast and again no probs with customs - my last lot had an opened by customs sticker on it! However...
Don't get caught up in all this "You must do this 4.4532 hours before and all that stuff, because you’re setting yourself up for a disappointment when it doesn’t work like the dude on bluelight said it would!
Why do you think there are so many contradicting reports on pill experiences?
It’s because people are unique and have different reactions for all types of chemicals (legal & illegal). Some people have a natural high serotonin level while some have a low level, some manufacture serotonin quicker than others.
Experiment yourself and find your perfect way, which may not even be to pre load!
I met a fella the other day that has been a hardcore piller for a serious long time and he doesn’t even know what pre loading is! So everybody to themselves!
Furthermore, I would really like to know to what extent the placebo effect plays on drugs!
Listen to your body and go with the flow! After years of experimenting myself with lots of substances I am only now learning and benefiting from this open mindness!
Peace

Hehe the "placebo effect" IS about drugs... it describes the psychosomatic effects experienced when someone thinks they have taken a chemical but really haven't, or perceived effects that are imagined by the user.
That's part of what set and setting is all about, kind of in reverse... if you don't experience something from a chemical it may be that you have convinced yourself that you aren't going to, or that you're concentrating too hard on waiting for an anticipated effect.
BigTrancer -- (that's my $US0.01 on the matter anyway)
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I don't want to sound paranoid, but just consider how much of what you're writing could help send you to Jail.

Thanks BT, that is what I was trying to get across .. but it obviously didn’t sound like that. And that’s why I’m not an author….