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30-11-2004, 00:40
i mean Stimulant Like Cocaine, Adderall, etc. Stuff that can be taken on a somewhat regular basis (not like ecstacy).

What is the best one in your opinion (most euphoria, Long lasting, cost, etc)

I dont want meth (dont even think i could get it). but i should be able to get most prescriptions and i can get cocaine and most popular illegal drugs

30-11-2004, 01:59
Dexedrine 5mg tablets by GlaxoSmithKline.

30-11-2004, 02:17
i like coke most, even though its more expensive and lasts much shorter than meth, the euphoria is somewhat stronger and more "fuller" although there isnt really a rush with me (snorted). it just creeps up, hits me, and stays pretty much the same until it leaves me suddenly. with crack i get a bellringer then it degrades a little, until it leaves me suddenly too.

yet with meth i get a massive fucking rush and then a very noticeable decrease in effects, yet they are still good and strong, and this is both snorted and smoked. meth also doesnt drop me on my ass like coke.

even still i say coke :).

i like combining them too though. and the alcohol and coke combo is even better.

even if x was an option i would put that third to coke and meth.

30-11-2004, 04:37
Best one I've ever tried is fencamfamine. Used to br marketed as Reactivan (not sure whether it's still prescribed). It has all of the stimulant effects of amphetamine, but unlike amphetamine, it has next to no effect outside the CNS (eg heart etc), so is euphoric but so incredibly smooth.

Only bad thing is that due to the lack of physical effects, the first sign that you're overdoing it are the symptoms of paranoia the amphetamine can cause. If I could still get it though, I'd have no reason to want to take amphetamine anymore.

30-11-2004, 05:19
Best Euphoria- COKE
Long Lasting- METH
Money Wise- METH
Best mood elevator- COKE
Ability to function - METH
Easier comedown- METH ( for me at least)

30-11-2004, 05:40
<<<<Mimic JTMarlin>>>>

Dextroamphetamine sulphate (Dexedrine) 5mg tablets by GlaxoSmithKline.

This company makes the best dextroamphetamine sulphate. Dexedrine is a much better prescription amphetamine than Adderall which contains a mixture of amphetamines which 50% of it is levoamphetamine which are basically a waste, no psychostimulation. Dexedrine is roughly twice as potent than Adderall. Many people say that Desoxyn is the best prescription amphetamine because it is pure methamphetamine but on a mg to mg basis, dextroamphetamine is more potent. Dexedrine instant release last about four hours maximum and produce some great euphoria and a sense of well being when you first start taking it. Much better than cocaine which just lasts 30 minutes and then you are maintaining the rest of the night trying to push off the inevitable comedown. Well, this is just my (and I'm sure, from knowing JTMarlin, that he would agree also).

30-11-2004, 05:52
Yup. Fuck that coke shit, there are newer and better things for this day and age. It has the worst CNS/PNS stimulation. Adderall is given out like candy, but that doesn't mean it's the best thing out there. Too many jitters, like he ^ said. If they still made the Desoxyn Gradumet 15mg I'd probably try it, but I don't want to risk asking for it now. Dexedrine is the best amphetamine out there. Period. It's got the best ratio of CNS/PNS stimulation. Methamphetamine has less peripheral stimulation than d-amphetamine, at higher doses, but who really wants to have to take 100mg+ of any amphetamine? Plus it has a terrible comedown, making you want to die or do more. Besides, saying your on meth just sounds bad. So if you can get anything, get some Dexedrine brand name tabs.

Like that one bitch said "not too hot, not too cold, but just right".

30-11-2004, 07:14
I would go with coke for good high, but for cost wise I would go with Adderall.Also I would stick with moderation use, then to use everyday.

30-11-2004, 09:59
i don't like stimulants but cocaine was my favorite because it had the shortest duration.

30-11-2004, 22:22
There are three categories:
1) Best for moderate everyday use (ADD/ADHD, school, weight loss)
2) Best for partying
3) Best to just feel good

Cocaine: Felt fun for a half hour, then left me feeling like shit. Then I realized that I just spent $20 for a half hour of fun then a shitty comedown. Thumbs down! This is what you should take if you have tons of money and want to spend it while developing a drug addiction, but look cool doing it!

Methamphetamine: This is the most hardcore stimulent. That being said, I don't recommend it. I've never done it, but I've read the research on what it does to your brain, and I've seen addicts, and I've seen them either die or end up mentally crippled ex-addicts. It may be the strongest and longest lasting, but this is one drug that I would call EVIL. This is what you should take if you don't value your life and/or want to mess with the most hardcore stimulant.

Ritalin: I have ADHD, and have been perscribed this for since age 14. I am 18 now. Now, I'll tell you the truth. When I was a kid I messed around with this a bit recreationally, and it was fun. But then I experienced other stimulants recreationally, and realized that this sucks. If you're a ten year old girl, then this is the perfect drug for you to abuse. If not, move on if you are a recreational user. It feels 'dirty' at doses high enough to give sufficient stimulation. However, if you want a perscribed medication for your ADD/ADHD, I would recomend it. It worked for me. At low doses, it got rid of my symptoms of ADHD without side effects. My dad and brother are both MDs, and they say that ritalin at low doses on work days increases productivity, with minimal side effects. They say it is the safest perscription stimulant for long-term use. A lot people drink coffee throughout the day to improve productivity and feel stimulated. Ritalin is longer lasting and less jittery, and IMHO, better. PRIZE #1: BEST FOR EVERYDAY MODERATE USE

Aderral: This is, in every way, medium. It's not as expensive as coke, but not as cheap as meth. Its stronger than ritalin, but not as strong as meth. I've read several places that it's worse for you than ritalin (to lazy to source), but not as damaging as meth. Its our all around average amphetamine, made out of four amphetamine salts. Personally, I'm not a stimulant connoisseur, but this does the job for me. I don't know anything about CNS/PNS stumulation ratios, and I probably couldn't tell the difference between high-quality stimulation and average stimulation if they smacked me in the face. But I do know this. Adderall gives me good stimulation for a good 4-5 hours with minimal crappy side effects. It is what comes to mind when I think of the word amphetamine, perhaps because it has a good mix of different kinds. It is what I take when I want to feel 'sped up.' PRIZE #3: BEST TO JUST FEEL GOOD. This being said, several of the more experienced members on this thread recomend dexedrine, and I have no doubt they are right, as they are probably much more experienced with stimulants than I am. However, for someone who isn't very experinced, this does the trick.

Ephedrine: Everyone has things that they are ashamed of. When I was younger, I tried taking large amounts of ephedrine for fun. Several times. Everytime, all that happened is my heart began to beat so fast I feared for my life. And with what little psychostimulation the ephedrine gave me, I thought about how much I didn't want to die. In high school, I was on my school's very competitive wrestling team, and I needed to cut weight. I tried using ephedrine to do this, but stopped after a week because it made me feel unhealthy and stupid. Bad, bad, bad. This has no use for anyone.

Caffiene/coffee: Caffiene may not be to strong, useful, or long lasting. However, it definately has its place. First of all, a nice hot coffee in the morning is one of lifes pleasures. Two, it is not frowned upon in society. Feeling tired? Drink a cup of coffee and nobody will look at you weird. Going out to drink a coffee is something you can do for fun with most people. Fourth, people have been drinking coffee for hundreds of years, which gives it a cultural background.

MDMA: Although this is not a traditional stimulant, it has many stimulant properties. With other stimulants, alot of the time partying makes me feel like I'm wasting my time. I want to go out and DO something. MDMA makes partying fun. Plus, you cannot beat the connection you feel with other people while on it, and socialisation is the heart of partying. PRIZE #2: BEST FOR PARTYING

Note: I have no experiece with dexedrine, so my little stimulant guide is lacking in this respect. Also, sorry if the length is inappropriate. Needless to say, I'm sped up.

30-11-2004, 23:09
ephedra (with active drug ephedrine) is a plant just like coffee and a tea can be brewed and drank with it, some cultures recognize this and make use of it. its a natural stimulant, more powerful than tea.

01-12-2004, 00:50
Dexedrine is just like Adderall, but much much smoother. It's like all the positive effects of Adderall and meth but without the side effects of Adderall or the damaging properties of methamphetamine. If your brother is a doctor have him let you try Desoxyn and Dexedrine, to see how they are.

01-12-2004, 02:01
Best speed I've ever had... Dexedrine. By far... And im not even a speed fan! :)

Dr. McBudstoke
01-12-2004, 02:24
just thought I'd add this one, Best OTC stimulant: propylhexedrine.

01-12-2004, 02:57
I've heard a lot about this on BL lately... What are they?? I don't even know where to look at the local pharmacy?

01-12-2004, 03:54
Benzedrex Inhalers

01-12-2004, 04:54
go on....

Riemann Zeta
01-12-2004, 20:33
Best stimulant for daily use: methylphenidate. Hands down, Ritalin is the safest, least neurotoxic, cleanest feeling stimulant for general anti-ADD purposes. Low doses make me feel tired, but do improve my concentration ability.

Best stimulant for one-off use: probably methylamphetamine. Methylamphetamine is highly toxic to dopaminergic and serotonergic neural systems, is dangerously addictive and has the greatest propensity to induce amphetamine psychosis. An analogy, I suppose, is that methylamphetamine is to the human brain what N2O is to a car engine. Both make you accelerate incredibly quickly but cause a lot of damage and eventual burn-out in the process.

Best overall: the mysterious and elusive 4-methylaminorex. Impossible to find, impossible to buy, nearly impossible to make (d-norephedrine has been banned since 2000). This uber-rare stimulant from beyond the moon is cardiotoxic like amphetamine and fenfluramine, but not as neurotoxic as methylamphetamine. 4-MAX has a clean, euphoric feeling that supposedly beats out all contemporary stimulants. If I could taste just one extinct chemical, it would be either this or the equally elusive fencamfamine (marketed non-Rx as Reactivan in South Africa, now banned in every UN nation) or amineptine (marketed as Survector, until the US trade-embargoed the EU to ban it in the early 1990s). Ah, if only psychostimulant weren't a 4-letter-word to the retarded motherfuckers like Bush that run the planet.

01-12-2004, 21:25
stimulants funny old drug
I was in the generation which didnt get diagnosed with adhd and given lovely ritalin script. Nope we, will I got locked up in juvenile correctional centres, wehn i wasnt running away.
The first speed I took, was just that called speed, shared a gram with two mates and went out robbie cars through the night, felt like a movie, taht we kept rewinding every few weeks.
Then came this realy weird experience with a prescribed speedy pill, my mate took 1 pill he was speeding out his bollocks, I took 10 pills and was speeding out my nut and tripping for five days. Its was very strange, thought i was gonna go banana's. I eventually came down and dropped four more pills which was more enjoyable but ultimately not for me. I was always destined to be a opaite man.
then came this pink sulphate speed, smelled like piss, sniff a full gram 10 minutes later the hairs on the back of my kneck were standing like a growling dog. i like the pink speed, done about six months solid on it, robbing and fight and all the rest that went with my neighbourhood. Anyway, I ended up very down, which wasnt like me, as I was more a mover than a shaker. Went opaites and benzo's after that.
A few years down the line, I came across cocaine, was in heavy withdrawal from a gram and half of heroin iv a day. A mate passed me a sixteenth of coke. i injected a straight gram and nearly shot my heart through the roof. A few hours later and a bit of chaos, I came back down and shot the other half. Then managed to get my mother brown... I did develop a liking from there, for mixing coke, heroin and temezepam in the same hit.
i eventualy leveled on opaites until catapulting from one rehab to prison to another rehab to prison to another rehab.
all opaites and benzo's.
Anyway thats a differnt story, back to stimulants, looking at the past decade.
at the begining bundles of coke, which kind of was more about, money, sex, drugs, clubs, , fighting, running, travelling.
I got bored of coke and always looked for benzos or brown after.
Pills: done bundles, nah not for me no more.
funny the last stimulant I took was some of my mates sons ritalin, kept me on track during a training day.
all drugs are good given the right moment and shite in other moments

01-12-2004, 21:55
You'd have to be pretty old, or European, to have been too young during amphetamine pill hayday. They've been popular for like 70 years here, and always easy to get.

01-12-2004, 22:02
in my 30's and the uk has only in the past decade gone ritalin crazy

02-12-2004, 02:19
dextroamphetamine or amphetamine, then coke

02-12-2004, 04:48
Originally posted by banksy
in my 30's and the uk has only in the past decade gone ritalin crazy

That ain't nothing compared to the US with 15 million prescribed amphetamine for daily usage. 7 million are for kids on ritalin. This does not even include non-script recreational usage of amphetamines. Then, throw in meth and the US is #2 per capita for amphetamine usage next to #1thailand.

02-12-2004, 05:51
I think we're number one as far as prescription amphetamines go today. Switzerland used to have a huge addiction rate awhile back, same goes for the US, when they were given out in unlimited quantites to almost anyone. Japan used to be the highest after WWII, due to all the pure meth stockpiles from the war.

05-12-2004, 08:09
Coke is more for nights of constant sniffing or smoking then amp pills. It's hard to do anything on coke other than stare at the plate and chop new lines (and wipe your nose). Popping an Adderall or dexedrine pill is good for a relatively steady day of work or concentration. Popping more pills increases euphoria while still allowing you to focus on other/any tasks. Partying on either is great, but coke might make you less outgoing than amps. Studying on coke is difficult for some people because it creates such a compulsion that you could be distracted. That could just be that some people find coke really addictive due to its short rush as opposed to amp pills. Someone taking "pep pills" seems so much nicer than someone being a "coke head" if that matters, but they can both create pretty nasty addictions though. I wouldn't advise starting doing either, but start with pills (weak pills). That's just my personal opinion, for what it's worth...

05-12-2004, 18:06
Well My vote would go for Adderall.I like Dexedrine but the comedown seems a bit too harsh for me over a period of time.Adderall seems to be just right,I like the half mental stim and half the physical stim from it.Ritalin is no good for me....last only like an hour or 2 and comedown can make you very irritable.As far as price Adderall its generic now and you can get them at 30 mgs.Dextrostat comes in 10 mgs and its not generic but pretty cheap.The generic form of Dexedrine is just called DextroAmphetamine and highest dose comes in 10mgs tabs.You could get these versions in Long Acting,sustained realeased etc.(Dex at 15mgs)but I always go for the immediate realease forms,as the longer acting ones dont really give me what im looking for.Basically it'll be a toss up between Adderall and Dexedrine.Everyone has their own favs but....to me Ritalin sucks....Just take a bunch of caffeine and save money.Adderall,being generic(I've tried Barr and Abrika) and coming in 30 mgs stength tabs is a big plus for me,so I have a nice stockpile:) I also like Dextrostat,so what I do is.....I usually switch every once in awhile,its just what works for me.Adderall makes me more social...Dexedrine will have you so fixated on projects you wont want to stop until youve completed every little detail...very good for focus.Dont be suprised if your spending hours fixing the silliest little things lol!!

05-12-2004, 19:06
Flat out cocaine. Sure there are tons of things that top it, but I just can't stay away.
Definitely, a favorite.

05-01-2005, 02:26
I was at a forum on roadside drug testing a few weeks ago - just checking through my notes and noticed one of the panel members mentioned a 'new' stimulant drug called 'medafnil' or something like that - apparently 'the military' are moving to it as it has a safer profile re- disturbance of sleep patterns and dependence potential.

Any idea what drug he was talking about? I've done a bit of a search but without the correct spelling I haven't found anything.

btw - I like dexies too - clean and euphoric :D

05-01-2005, 04:29
meth am motherphucking phetamine :D

05-01-2005, 05:15
Modafinal is also known as Provigil and it is not a new drug. It isn't really a stimulant, Modafinil has wake-promoting actions and labeled a wakefulness-promoting agent. The pharmacologic profile is not identical to that of sympathomimetic amines of amphetamines. It does not increase dopamine release, it only binds to dopamine reuptake sites. Provigil is indicated to improve wakefulness in patients with excessive daytime sleepiness associated with or without narcolepsy. Rarely is it prescribed for ADHD. Provigil doesn't have any recreational value and has not been labeled a drug of abuse.

05-01-2005, 05:59
^ Thanks K'dOUT

I found it now - modafinil, released in Australia as "Modavigil" post-2000 (not in my MIMS 2000, but found it on www.mydr.com.au ). Sounds boring :(

05-01-2005, 13:18
natural adrenaline
vial adreanaline
uncut cocaiine
meth , not the glass type , the rock form

05-01-2005, 18:37
Neurontin is not a stimulant, in fact Neurontin can make you very drowsy when you are first prescribed it. Neurontin is indicated for the management of postherpetic neuralgia in adults with anti-convulsant properties. The most commonly observed adverse events associated with the use of Neurontin is drowsiness and dizziness. It has no association with dopamine receptor sites. Where the hell did you get that Neurontin was a stimulant?!?

I was prescribed this drug for seven years. The first couple weeks it was hard to stay awake.

21-01-2005, 13:48
Short Answer , dextroamphetamine
Best of all , my opinion better thans methamphetamine

23-01-2005, 09:44
Short Answer , dextroamphetamine, my opinion better thans methamphetamine Totally agree. Ignorant little teenie boppers used to laugh at me and say "get some real speed!" fuckheads. I'd take dexedrine over crystal methamphetamine any old day of the week, dexedrine for me has just as much euphoria as meth does and the comedown is alot smoother. Now go work on your ADD act...

25-01-2005, 02:37
^better yet - get your Mum to work on her narcolepsy act; then when she gets the dexie script you can buy it from her at "family discount" rate ;)

25-01-2005, 04:25
Of course, I concur.

Dextroamphetamine is all-around the most worthy stimulant to me.

Hence the reason, i simply can't refuse my prescription and stop taking it.
Knowing if i change my mind down the road, I won't have the blessed amounts i do now - which is not enough. never enough.

It is all or nothing.
Dexedrine or nothing.

Riemann Zeta
25-01-2005, 20:32
Now that i've started prescription enantiopure d-amphetamine spansules for ADD, I must agree, nothing is better than pure D. Methylphenidate and modafinil will always remain among my favorites, but nothing beats the smoothness of dextroamphetamine.

26-01-2005, 04:53
When you have a legit script dextroamphetamine written by your doctor every month, it becomes really fucking hard to get off the shit the more scripts that are written. I noticed that each visit to my psychiatrist another dose would be risen due to that quick fucking tolerance. It really becomes hard to break that cycle when you have a legit reason for prescription amphetamines. Dextroamphetamine got me through shit like a fucking bullet but I would always crash hard when my script would run early. And I had two docs prescribing me this shit. Very addictive but I would have to say that it was my favorite drug when I was tweeking back in the day. Them orange shield 5mg immediate release pills, knock back twenty of those bastards and wowzaHas!

26-01-2005, 05:55
Originally posted by K'dOUTinAZ
When you have a legit script dextroamphetamine written by your doctor every month, it becomes really fucking hard to get off the shit the more scripts that are written. I noticed that each visit to my psychiatrist another dose would be risen due to that quick fucking tolerance. It really becomes hard to break that cycle when you have a legit reason for prescription amphetamines. Dextroamphetamine got me through shit like a fucking bullet but I would always crash hard when my script would run early. And I had two docs prescribing me this shit. Very addictive but I would have to say that it was my favorite drug when I was tweeking back in the day. Them orange shield 5mg immediate release pills, knock back twenty of those bastards and wowzaHas!

Heh, thats pretty the description of my scenario. Except one doctor prescribing the the full amount.

Always run out early, no such thing as enough. You pop them like candy.

This is why they don't market it widespread though. There would be an outbreak like in the 60's/70's? when they had to try and control the mass amounts of people catching on to it heh.

(Remember, american airpilot's "go pills" for extended missions are the same 5mg dextroamphetamine").

Kinda says something, as far as preference. They weighed all possibilities for overall best stimulant for the pilots.

26-01-2005, 20:48
"then came this pink sulphate speed,"

Pink speed is pink because there was an agreement with the govermental powers that be for certain fertilizer companies to put a chemical in their shit that was pink(either this or it turned pink when people would cook). Anyways, the point was to discourage meth use by getting caught "pink handed". Supposively if you snort it a good portion of your nose turns a pink color, if you bang it, some of the veins right where you slammed turn pink. Your tongue would turn pink too if you snort it.

I read it in a respected newspaper about 6 months ago.

27-01-2005, 01:52
Originally posted by DexterMeth
"then came this pink sulphate speed,"

Pink speed is pink because there was an agreement with the govermental powers that be for certain fertilizer companies to put a chemical in their shit that was pink(either this or it turned pink when people would cook). Anyways, the point was to discourage meth use by getting caught "pink handed". Supposively if you snort it a good portion of your nose turns a pink color, if you bang it, some of the veins right where you slammed turn pink. Your tongue would turn pink too if you snort it.

I read it in a respected newspaper about 6 months ago.

I say all my dextroamphetamine instant release, is yellow.
its plain and clear.

But pretty sure, the bottle and websites list them as peach.

maybe some are real pink still.

27-01-2005, 02:11
my bad, I was refering to street speed that has a pink color to it. Not pharm grade.

27-01-2005, 02:49
Originally posted by BrainReceptoR
uncut cocaiine

Ya.. since im sure youve experienced that 8)

Anyways, my vote goes to some high quality, crystal methamphetamine. Absolutely love it.

27-01-2005, 02:59
Captagon (fenethylline)

27-01-2005, 07:51
Modafainil, by far.

Recreational value is essentailly zero. It makes you feel "content", though not euphoric. Relatively no side effects, compared to the other stimulants, and it doesn't over-activate you; rather, it returns you to "normal".

Non-addictive, legal, and best of all, tolerance doesn't develop :D (there's studies on that)

Riemann Zeta
27-01-2005, 19:31
Fenethylline. There's one you don't hear about every day. I am guessing by the structure N-[(3-ethyl)-theobromine]-amphetamine that it is very similar to benzphetamine in that it is a prodrug for (d)-amphetamine. In this case, however, the ethyltheobromine takes the place of a benzyl moiety.

VelocideX: I developed a tolerance to modafinil after just a few uses (spaced out at least two weeks apart). That is, I developed a tolerance to the euphoria, self-confidence and attentional effects of modafinil, but not to the wake-promoting effect. The first time I took the compound, I only took 100 mg (a very small dose) and for the first time in my life felt truly content and experienced anti-ADD effects relatively similar to 10 mg of methylphenidate or 450 mg of bupropion. However, subsequent experiences (with 200-400 mg) have been less impressive. :( I still like the compound, however, as I am not too much of a 'recreational' drug user (except, of course, for cannabis) and I use it for its intended purpose--staying awake during high-stress, demanding multi-day (36-48 hr) tasks. It is far less taxing on the cardiovascular system than methylphenidate and works synergistically with (d)-amphetamine--providing wakefulness and anti-ADD/motivational effects, respectively.

27-01-2005, 21:22
The literature says that tolerance does not appear to develop, though that study is in narcolepsy users from memory, so perhaps it is just the wakefulness promoting aspect. In any event, it is extremely useful for that purpose; that is the purpose for which it was designed.

Riemann Zeta
27-01-2005, 22:46
Agreed--it is certainly very useful for its intended purpose. I do have a question, however, for you VelocideX (and anyone else, I suppose): have you ever tried adrafinil (Olmifon), the oxime (N-hydroxyl) predecessor of modafinil that acts as a prodrug for modafinil?

I have experimented with adrafinil at doses of 1200 mg (at which point, the liver enzyme responsible for RNHOH --> RNH2 conversion is likely saturated) and I cannot tell if it was more or less effective than 200 mg of modafinil. It kept me awake, but seemed to lack some of the 'magic' of modafinil and produced a little more anxiety. This is curious, as I would not expect any psychical difference between the two, except for a longer onset time in the case of adrafinil. At least a priori, I would not expect an oxime to penetrate the BBB, so I would not expect adrafinil to have effects of its own. Unfortunately, there seems to be a paucity of literature on adrafinil itself.

27-01-2005, 23:40
I have tried adrafinil. I imported it into Australia (the modafinil I have tried is actually prescribed for my girlfriend).

I've never tried the super high doses... It did makae me wake up, but doesn't seem as long-acting as modafinil. Also seems to feel a little more "dirty", though I can't put my finger on why. I'm not sure if that's due to a lack of efficacy (i.e. I wasn't taking enough) or if its intrisic, though I feel its the latter. It didn't make me feel as clear as modafinil did either.

I took 200mg of modafinil at about 10am and I was still wide awake near midnight.... I had a little trouble getting to sleep. 200mg was probably too much, to be honest. For someone with narcolepsy, fine, but I was just too awake

Two adrafinil tablets only lasted me about 6 hrs. I'm aware there may be dosing discrepancies, but I believe modafinil is infinitely superior.


On the temporal effects of modafinil, I agree with a post above (and so does my girlfriend) that the wakefullness-promoting effects do not seem to really kick in for at least an hour, more like 1.5 to 2. Moreover it seemed to go through these wierd periods for me (more towards the end) where I'd feel tired for a minute then it would vanish.... perhaps twice an hour. Very strange.